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spk14: Good afternoon. My name is Audra and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Smartsheet fourth quarter fiscal 2024 earnings conference call. Today's conference is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speaker's remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question during this time, simply press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, press star one again. At this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Aaron Turner, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk15: Thank you, Audra. Good afternoon, and welcome everyone to Smartsheet's fourth quarter of fiscal year 2024 earnings call. We will be discussing the results announced in our press release issued after the market closed today. With me today are Smartsheet's CEO, Mark Mader, and our CFO, Pete Godbold. Today's call is being webcast and will also be available for replay on our Investor Relations website at investors.smartsheet.com. There's a slide presentation that accompanies Pete's prepared remarks, which can be viewed in the event section of our investor relations website. During this call, we will make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. We have based these forward-looking statements largely on our current expectations and projections about future events and financial trends. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and other factors, including, but not limited to, those described in our SEC filings available on our investor relations website, and on the SEC website at www.sec.gov. Although we believe that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, our actual results may differ materially and or adversely. All forward-looking statements made during this call are based on information available to us as of today. We do not assume any obligation to update these statements as a result of new information or future events, except as required by law. In addition to the U.S. GAAP financials, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, Reconciliation to the most directly comparable US GAAP measures is available in the presentation that accompanies this call, which can also be found on our investor relations website. With that, let me turn the call over to Mark.
spk11: Thank you, Aaron, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our fourth quarter earnings call for fiscal year 2024. Q4 was the culmination of a year where we demonstrated our ability to grow in challenging macro conditions while making considerable progress on our profitability and free cash flow. We crossed the $1 billion ARR threshold in Q4 within the original timeframe we set at our first analyst day back in 2018. And we achieved this milestone while also expanding operating margins by over 1,500 basis points and achieving a rule of 40 for the second consecutive year. Our performance in Q4 was highlighted by our continued strength in the enterprise coupled with strong progress in our key growth opportunities. In Q4, 98 customers expanded their Smartsheet ARR by more than $100,000. We now have 65 customers with ARR over $1 million, up from 45 a year ago. And we ended the quarter with annualized recurring revenue with $1.031 billion and more than 14.3 million Smartsheet users. In Q4, we expanded with customers such as Nutanix, University of Southern California, Genesis Motor America, the City of San Jose, and Dairy Queen, among others. This past quarter, we saw significant expansion with a multinational information technology company. Smartsheet has been used within the marketing and sales departments at the company for a number of years. After a detailed RFP process for an organization-wide collaborative work management solution, Smartsheet was selected over competitors for enterprise-grade scale and world-class security. Adoption has been high, with a growing demand for licenses and implementation across marketing operations, M&A, and more. These units have been leveraging the full breadth of premium capabilities of Smartsheet to replace manual processes, increase efficiency, and improve collaboration. We had an expansion deal with a European-based leading global science and technology company. Their need for enterprise-grade security and governance was key to our expansion deal that included an upgrade to advanced gold. The company's IT group underwent an extensive evaluation to consolidate their project management needs under one solution across their three main business divisions of life sciences, electronics, and healthcare. The company selected Smartsheet and has consolidated their thousands of users under a one Smartsheet program in a transformation of our partnership with them. Going forward, the company will extend the use of its Smartsheet use to other units in their drive towards efficiency and optimization. We saw significant expansion with the leading global entertainment and ticketing company. Previously, the team relied on very manual processes to market the high-profile and high-budget tours they manage all around the world. After engaging with our customer outcomes journey team, the customer discovered how Smartsheet could drive greater value by automating repeatable work, efficiently adapting to changes, and improving communication. Now the company is using a tailored solution to manage all marketing operations in regards to their concert tours and artists, and benefiting from an integration with their Salesforce-based system of record. Going forward, the company has planned additional phases of implementation to expand the transformation and efficiency already realized with the marketing and tour management solution to other parts of the organization. The ability to rapidly scale was a key element to a recent international expansion at an APJ-based multinational corporation that provides digital transformation consulting to enterprises. A unit focused on their Middle East delivery region needed a scalable solution for reporting on financials across their portfolio of projects, which involve multimillion-dollar contracts with their customers. We worked with a key channel partner to deliver a solution leveraging the Smartsheet platform. This initial solution will support one regional delivery team with a plan to scale to all their global delivery teams. FY24 was a big year for our platform. In the area of Gen AI, our first two AI features became generally available to customers on our enterprise plans at the beginning of last month. The first capability allows our customers to create tailored formulas for their input, speeding up data-driven decisions. The second interprets customer data for clear text summaries and translations. The customer response and usage for AI has been strong. And since the beginning of February, more than a third of our enterprise customers have leveraged these new tools. Also in FY24, we launched our free plan and the self-discovery of our capabilities. Both continue to perform well. And while contribution to our Q4 results was small, we are encouraged by the compounding growth rates we're seeing from these initiatives. Our free plan, which launched at the beginning of FY24, has seen steady growth. Through the fiscal year, our free plan has grown across thousands of domains, and in January, we added 500 paying new customers via the free plan, a new monthly record. In Q4, over $2 million of capability bookings were the result of self-discovery trials. This is up from less than $1 million in Q3, and this motion continues to drive exposure of our capabilities to more and more customers. Nearly half of our Q4 self-discovery sales were with customers who purchased the capability for the first time. Given this success, we will apply this approach to additional capabilities in FY25. As I mentioned earlier, we surpassed $1 billion in ARR in Q4. We got to this point by focusing on our customers and building an enterprise-grade platform that can scale to their most demanding needs. I'd like to call out our Chief Revenue Officer, Mike Arntz, who is retiring today. When Mike joined Smartsheet over seven years ago, our ARR was under $100 million and our average customer contributed less than $1,000 per year. During Mike's tenure, our ARR and contributions per customers has grown by 10x. I'm grateful for his service and wish him all the best in retirement. Mike will remain on as a consultant through mid-May to support the transition to his successor. As we enter the post-$1 billion ARR growth phase of the company, the strategy that underpins our go-to-market and product and innovation will be refined and expanded. Executing this strategy will be a leadership team consisting of proven executives, each motivated for the next tier of growth and customer success. Today, we announce that Max Long has joined Smartsheet to serve as president of go-to-market. Max has over three decades of experience leading commercial teams for global tech companies with diversified offerings, including Microsoft and Adobe, and most recently NetApp, where he served as Chief Commercial Officer. We will be unifying go-to-market operations under Max and unifying product and innovation under Prerod Garg, newly appointed President of Product and Innovation. Prior to joining Smartsheet in 2019, Prerod served in leadership roles at Microsoft and Amazon, And under his product leadership at Smartsheet, our platform has been recognized as the leading enterprise platform in work management, serving the largest number of sophisticated scale deployments in the category. We're setting the foundation for the next era of profitable growth with proven, more efficient go-to-market motions paired with enterprise-grade product innovation informed by decades of data, work patterns, and customer use cases. We see a significant opportunity to win additional market share by delivering AI-enhanced collaborative workflow solutions for customers. I see it as a tremendous opportunity representing multiple vectors of growth. In the enterprise segment, productized and scalable no-code workflow solutions are undercutting more expensive, slower-to-deploy alternatives. Regardless of the macro environment, significant demand exists for more efficient solutions to power critical workflows. Smartsheet is well-positioned to capture this opportunity due to our category-leading scalability, no-code platform, and enterprise-grade security. In an effort to drive performance, particularly in the SMB segment, we will deploy our simplified design, pricing, and onboarding experiencing during the course of the year. We are on a mission to remove friction and maximize self-directed experiences for our customers to enable faster time to value. We are taking the right steps to execute our strategy and to bring our enterprise-grade work management platform to organizations of all sizes all around the world. We are well positioned for our next phase of growth to $2 billion and beyond. Now let me turn the call over to Pete.
spk00: Thank you, Mark. Our performance in FY24 demonstrated our ability to drive durable growth with improving profitability despite a challenging business environment. We outperformed our guidance in Q4. However, similar to prior quarters, we continue to see tighter domestic spending tied to the current macro environment negatively impact expansion, particularly in the SMB segment of our business. This served as a headwind to our overall growth rate. The macro impact on our SMB segment in Q4 was worse than Q3, and we're expecting the segment of our business to continue to be under pressure in FY25. In FY24, we took steps to reduce our use of stock in compensation structure. This resulted in our stock-based compensation as a percentage of revenue to decline in FY24 from the previous year. We expect our SPC as a percent of revenue to continue to decrease in FY25 and beyond. Additionally, in response to investor feedback, going forward, we will be disclosing and guiding annualized recurring revenue, or ARR, rather than billings. ARR provides a better reflection of our quarterly net bookings performance. One additional call-out. In the past, we have used ARR and ACV interchangeably in our non-financial metrics. Starting this call, we will be standardizing on ARR. I will now go through our financial results for the fourth quarter in the full year unless otherwise stated, all references to our expenses and operating results on a non-GAAP basis and are reconciled to our GAAP results in the earnings release and presentation that was posted before the call. For the full fiscal year 24, we ended with total revenue of $958.3 million of 25% year-over-year and billings of $1.069 billion of 20% year-over-year. Non-GAAP operating income was $100.9 million, representing an operating margin of 11%. And free cash flow was $144.5 million, representing a free cash flow margin of 15%. Turning now to our quarterly results. Fourth quarter revenue came in at $256.9 million, up 21% year over year. Subscription revenue was $244 million, representing year-over-year growth of 23 percent. Services revenue was $12.9 million. Revenue from capabilities made up 34 percent of subscription revenue. Turning to billings, fourth quarter billings came in at $341.9 million, representing year-over-year growth of 19 percent. Approximately 95 percent of our subscription billings were annual, with about 2 percent monthly. Quarterly and semiannual represented approximately 3 percent of the total. Annualized Recurring Revenue, or ARR, grew 21 percent in the fourth quarter to $1.031 billion. Moving on to our reported metrics, the number of customers with ARR over $50,000 grew 22 percent year-over-year to 3,924. and the number of customers with ARR over $100,000 grew 28% year-over-year to 1,904. These customer segments now represent 66% and 53%, respectively, of total ARR. The percentage of ARR coming from customers with ARR over $5,000 is at 91%. Next, our domain average ARR grew 15% year-over-year to $9,672. We ended the quarter with a dollar-based net retention rate inclusive of all our customers of 116%. The full churn rate was 4%. Now, turning back to the financials, our total gross margin was 85%. Our Q4 subscription gross margin was 88%. Overall operating income in the quarter was $39.6 million, or 15% of revenue. Free cash flow in the quarter was $56.3 million, a new quarterly record for our company. Now let me move on to guidance. We are electing to remain conservative with respect to our FY25 guidance, given changes in our sales leadership the timing of our initiatives aimed at driving incremental growth, and the ongoing macro-influenced spending constraints. For the first quarter of FY25, we expect revenue to be in the range of $257 million to $259 million, and non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $32 million to $34 million. We expect non-GAAP net income per share to be 26 to 27 cents based on diluted weighted average shares outstanding of $141 million. For the full fiscal year 25, we expect revenue of $1.113 billion to $1.118 billion, representing growth of 16% to 17%. We expect services to be around 5% of total revenue. We expect our non-GAAP operating income to be in the range of $135 million to $145 million, representing an operating margin of 12 to 13 percent, and non-GAAP net income per share to be $1.06 to $1.13 for the year based on 142.2 million diluted weighted average shares outstanding. we expect our FY25 ARR growth to be 14%. Regarding seasonality, we expect quarterly ARR growth rates to follow a similar trend as last year, with higher growth rates at the beginning of the year. Based on the relationship between dollar-based net retention rate and ARR, we expect our net retention rate to follow a similar trajectory as ARR through the course of the year. We also expect our FY25 free cash flow to be $200 million. To conclude, in FY24, we made significant progress on our profitability and free cash flow while navigating a difficult economic climate. Moving into FY25, we're laser focused on growing our enterprise leadership position and further expanding profit margins. This next phase of growth will be driven by an energized team committed to streamlining our go-to-market efforts and compelling product innovation. Now let me turn the call over to the operator. Operators?
spk14: Thank you. At this time, I would like to remind everyone in order to ask a question, press star then the number one on your telephone keypad. We'll take our first question from Terry Tillman at Truist Securities.
spk04: Great. Thanks for taking the question. This is Bobby Dion for Terry. First one for me, we'd love to get an update on the roadmap for new and upcoming scalability slash infrastructure enhancements this year, particularly the 5 million sell per sheet enhancement. Related to that, are there some potential near-term expansion opportunities with larger customers that could come out of those improvements? And then I have one follow-up. Thank you.
spk11: Yeah, we've had multiple milestones achieved in the past year. We're well on our way to hitting those. The team's actually done a really nice job of setting commitments with prospects and customers that they've been able to fulfill. And I would say that was reflected in some of the big enterprise expansions we've had in the past year. The good news is on some of those upper bounds that we set for ourselves, we're actually going beyond those. We're really getting to a point where the changes that we're doing today are sort of decade-long impact changes. So we're really getting to a model where Those upper bound constraints are really getting to a point where you're talking about well north of 10x capacity of what we have today. And when you look at the largest companies in these industries that we serve, it's always remarkable to see how far they want to push it. And I think it's really a combination of both scale, but also scale as it relates to administration and the ability to govern. So it's not always in the context of cell links and sheet counts and dashboard supported. can we manage these huge engaged populations within these environments? So, you know, kudos to the team for both building the feature set and also the tooling required to administer these.
spk04: That's great. Appreciate the color. And then nice to see the strong cash flow guide for FY25. Curious how y'all are thinking about capital allocation moving forward and even potential M&A. You know, any platform areas where Viber's built could be attractive? Thank you.
spk00: So, you know, we have a fairly thoughtful what I call capital allocation strategy, and we start with sort of where we want to deploy capital. Obviously, a buyback remains in our strategic consideration set, but we're focusing our balance sheet right now on adding to, you know, the strength of it since we deal with the largest companies in the world. I think we will consider potential. We want to have some flexibility to drive potential M&A that may be adjacent to where we are. That will be a part of the consideration set.
spk06: Thank you.
spk14: We'll take our next question from Ryan McWilliams at Barclays.
spk05: Thanks for taking the question. This is Peter from Ryan McWilliams. I just want to look at your implied trajectory of guidance throughout the year. There's probably a slight slowdown throughout the FY25, so I think you can just add some color on what you're seeing in the macro and what your guidance implies for how the year looks in terms of S&B, enterprise demand. Any thought we can get there would be helpful.
spk00: I think, you know, you were cutting out a little bit, but I think your question is about the composite of our guide and how we're thinking about the world. I think I'll start there. So the guide is a composite. So it starts with what we experienced in Q4. So when you think of what we experienced in Q4, our enterprise NDRR growth rates were strong, over 120%. The SMB did worsen in Q4, and as you think of that NDRR worsening, it was close to zero. So we expect this trend to continue in FY25. So that's kind of the first part of it. And as we see this trend, you know, progressing through, essentially we're thinking about the enterprise business We obviously it's a very backend loaded business and the visibility grows as we go through the year. So being sort of prudent with our initial guide. And the last part of it is we're focused on, we've looked at embedding some level of incremental conservatism given the new sales leadership that Mark just talked about.
spk05: That makes sense. And then just to follow up, I'm really pleased to hear some of the AI commentary. I think that's pretty positive here, and especially in terms of when you think about up-tearing customers. So maybe, Mark, what are you seeing on the AI front? What are customers looking to utilize Smartsheet's AI products for? Just how are you feeling about AI rolling through this year?
spk11: Yeah, it's really on two primary dimensions. One is on being able to configure logic into the Smartsheet solutions. So how quickly and simply can someone do that? And a big part of our value prop is velocity. So the AI that we've enabled that I spoke to in our formulas, that is part of how you configure workflows and automations and logic into these solutions. On the second side, it's about the analysis. How can I derive insights from the things that I'm tracking? The resonance seeing a third of our enterprise customers within weeks of its announcement using it, or at least using it, I was really pleased to see that. I would say what you'll see with the AI skills coming forward, you'll see that we will continue to shift and release features that I would say are in higher use, high frequency use experiences. So when we release the AI skill on the dashboarding and the insights, which is a really popular area of our application, I expect the count of interactions to go up materially. So it's all about enabling and improving the experiences that they're very familiar with today. The next phase that you'll see is really around how we can get people to understand how to exploit new use cases on the platform. So how can I, with an initial intent, state my case, state my objective, and be presented with a composite solution of dashboards and forms and automations? That is the second phase. But what we're really doing right now is enrolling people into the capabilities alongside things they understand. And we think that's a strategy that's served us pretty well so far.
spk05: Got it.
spk11: Thank you.
spk14: Our next question comes from John DeFuge at Guggenheim.
spk17: Thank you for taking my question. So when I look here, and there's a lot of changes here, right? And Mike Arntz has been with the company since before the IPO and has led a lot of the changes needed as you scaled. So, Mark, I guess, what do you anticipate are some of the areas that Max may address to accommodate your next phase of growth?
spk11: Hey, John, I think a few of the traits that I was looking for was somebody who had deep experience with international, understood partner ecosystems very well, was super fluent in a multi-product catalog and how you cross-sell. When we think about the rise of capabilities in our world with fewer than 10% of our customers buying something from us other than a seat, it is a huge portion of our growth strategy. So really trying to find someone who had that experience base And also, it's pretty, when you think of who we serve, John, right, we serve everybody from the SMB all the way up to the largest companies in the world. Finding somebody who has comfort and an informed point of view on how to go to market on both dimensions, that is a really important thing I was looking for. And I think Max's experiences across Microsoft, Adobe, and NetApp is a pretty good collection of past experiences that he's going to bring to bear.
spk17: And that makes a lot of sense, especially the opportunity Well, across everything, but you led with international, which just seems like such a big opportunity here. I guess if I could just ask a follow-up for Pete. Listen, Pete, if NRR is going to follow similar trends as ARR through the year, that implies it continues to decline. Can you talk a little bit more about this? Because the way I understand the NRR metric, it's a next 12-month metric. And you could actually see on a quarterly basis an inflection point where things tend to get a little better near the end of the year. And you wouldn't necessarily see it in that metric right away. I guess I'm just trying to sense what the guide is because I think that's the thing that people are – the 14% growth in ARR is the thing that people are sort of questioning right now. Do you think it just continues to get worse throughout the year? Is that what you're sort of implying? I know you gave all the reasons why you're being, quote, prudent. I'm glad you said that. But do you think it actually could get better throughout the year at some point or even stabilize or that it's going to just get worse through the year?
spk00: Yeah, so if you think of the – you're absolutely right, John, in terms of the net dollar retention rate conversation, it's a look back for a full year. But remember, the underlying underpinnings of that are what's happening in the enterprise and what's happening in SMB. I called out an SMB that, you know, we don't expect it to stay stable. We expect it to continue to worsen. So that's going to be a drag on the net dollar retention rate, and it will build into the composite. Now, could it get better? You know, I think we're doing many things ourselves, which are, you know, things we've launched in the water. We always guide based on what we can see and what we have visibility to, and that's what we're consistent about. So that's what we're doing sort of here as well.
spk17: I appreciate that. Listen, the results themselves look good, and we'll see how the year progresses. Thank you.
spk14: Thanks, John. Our next question comes from George Arwanik at Oppenheimer.
spk03: Thank you for taking my question. Mark, maybe could you give us more color on the traction you're seeing with self-discovery? And as you start to roll out new capabilities, how should we think about the pace of that this fiscal year?
spk11: Yeah, self-discovery, there are two aspects of it. One is the ability for someone to experience a feature in the product without having to engage with someone from our team to actually utilize it. The second part of that, actually fulfilling it from a booking standpoint, is the other portion. So what we have done to date is we have enabled tens of thousands of companies to be able to utilize these tools, and we're seeing really good progression quarter on quarter around people exploring those and trialing those. The second chapter of this is actually marrying a self-discovery motion with a transaction motion. So we are skating to a place where those lower value SMB small starting customers can not only see them, but also transact on those. We have not yet set markers in terms of in which quarter that we will convert to that commerce element, but we are focused on getting elements within our content realm, our people realm, which is our resource management realm, and our work realm exposed to market. So a few weeks ago, we released our advanced resource management capability. Prior to releasing that, a prospect or a customer would have to engage with our customer success or sales team to enable that. That is now fully automated, zero setup required. And the weeks in performance we've seen have been extraordinarily positive in terms of the number of people who've been able to engage with that and to utilize it. So we are moving to a place where we want almost the entire portfolio available for someone to see without it being gated by a human being on our side. And when I think about driving long-term efficiency into our go-to-market, I think it's built on the back of this. And how do you get more of your people and your success and your journey teams focusing on your mature, growing, super large customers and letting your early stage growing customers move as quickly in a self-directed way as possible? So you will see releases this year in self-directed features across our existing capabilities. You will see our digital asset management come into a self-directed motion in the first half of this year. And as I said, the people dimension of resource management was released to market in a self-directed way just a few weeks ago.
spk03: Thank you for that. And Pete, one question for you. Could you give us some perspective on how you're prioritizing the investment this year? Is it leaning more towards sales and marketing, or is it really balanced across R&D and S&M?
spk00: You know, I think our investments are pretty balanced. You know, we're not making large investments in field capacity. We were fortunate to have an experienced and sort of what I call highly savvy field already in place. We've complemented that with things which Mark talked about helped you know, take our most experienced customers to the next level. So we've made some target investments there. And the R&D side, we've focused on kind of getting a series of new and massively modernized core application experiences out there. And we've sort of invested in taking these self-directed capabilities and extending them to other products. So short answer, balanced across both sales and marketing as well as R&D. Thank you.
spk14: We'll move next to Jake Roberge at William Blair.
spk10: Hi. Thanks for taking the questions. I understand we're still in a bit of an uncertain macro, especially on that SMB side of the house. And you're obviously going through the go-to-market transition this year. But if you take a step back, what do you think are some of the factors that could help stabilize NRR later this year and potentially re-accelerate the growth in the business heading out over the longer term?
spk00: So the factors that could stabilize NRR, in my mind, are some of the initiatives that Mark mentioned and those gaining traction. So we talked about these are, you know, we are launching them. We're launching a totally modernized core application experience. That's coming through. We launched the first part of it this quarter, but that's the early start to it. The lift that comes from that experience could be large, but it's going to take a while to sort of assess that out. The second thing I would think of is think of our largest customers and taking the enterprise-grade features that we can sort of get these customers to deploy. The portfolio is really rich. If I can get our most experienced median customer to our top quartile customer, that's an opportunity. And that's where I think the leadership for Max to bring his experiences to bear will be helpful. So those are some of the upside elements out there. The one I'd be remiss not to mention is AI. That's in early stages, if you will. But as I said, it's a little bit of a wild card in how that plays out.
spk10: Okay, helpful. And then I know they're a good portion of revenue, but with capabilities still being less than 10% penetrated in the entire base. What do you think the unlock will be to get those solutions deeper into the customer base? Is that all going to be self-discovery driving that? Or is there anything differently you can do on the direct go-to-market side that could help drive more traction with those solutions?
spk11: Yeah, I love the question. You're absolutely right. It's much more than just self-discovery. One of the things that we're working on from a packaging standpoint is how do we enable the median customer to get into a paid state with us on a premium capability in a ramped fashion. And what I mean by that is to date, many of our capabilities sales have come in the context of fairly substantive solutions. Like we go in, we work with a midsize or a large customer, and we discuss a high value solution that's delivered, we see a huge opportunity within the tens of thousands of organizations we serve, which start actually small. So how can I consume a capability at sub $5,000? Sub $1,000. And it's, I think, planting a bunch of seeds. It's how we built this business over 19 years. And we had our capabilities really married to an assisted sales motion. So when we think of packaging, how do you get that same PLG motion that we have with our seats introduced on a capability? And you should expect from us this year to release mechanisms for allowing people to step into capabilities much more quickly. So I would see the penetration rate of capabilities to go up significantly and then put us in a position to be able to build on that as they consume more and more of those. So, again, one is building them, having them. The other is making them available and discoverable. The third is how do you have a monetization strategy which caters to the people who are starting out with them and those who are using them at massive scale.
spk09: Very helpful. Thanks for taking the questions. Thanks.
spk14: We'll take our next question from Michael Berg at Wells Fargo Securities.
spk18: Hi, thanks for taking my question. I want to follow up on the capabilities discussion here. It's growing nicely, if my calculations are correct, and still 30%, but seems down pretty meaningfully from the rest of the year. Maybe, is there anything under the hood? What's going on there? Is there incremental budget constraints? Because I kind of think of those as being more enterprise-type solutions. And how do you think about those potentially re-accelerating news building off of the last question? Thank you.
spk00: You know, I would say that we were pretty satisfied with the performance for capabilities. And I think that the draft you're seeing in year-on-year growth rates is just a sign of the macro that customers have experienced. It's as simple as a conversation around people wanting a capability, but do they buy a composite set in a package in advance, or do they buy them a la carte? So that affects the dollars that push through, if you will. I think in general, the demand for capabilities continues to be robust and continues to grow. So I'd say I'd leave it there.
spk18: Helpful. And then a quick follow-up on that same topic. As you think about this large opportunity set at hand, is it reasonable to conclude that capabilities will at some point be the majority of the revenue, just given the value proposition tied there? It seems like that's an underappreciated part of the not only the products, but the overall story. Thanks.
spk00: So I think my belief is, and Mark and I share this, is I think we're going to see both grow. So it's sort of like this this race where as you start with seats and then you're adding capabilities on top of it, but it continues in that way. So I think we've got a huge sort of what I call potential in the low end of the market with these modernized core application experiences. So think of that as the piece that builds the seat part of the portfolio. Now, that doesn't mean it's only seats. You get to self-discover capabilities as well. So I think that percentage, I wouldn't view it as being lopsided towards capabilities. I view it as being balanced and growing over time. I do think capabilities will be an increasingly growing part of the mix.
spk18: Helpful. Thank you.
spk14: We'll go next to Pendulum Bora at J.P. Morgan.
spk01: Oh, great. Thanks for taking the questions. Pete, can you talk about kind of the demand trends going into Q1, February, March so far? Are you seeing the SMB weakness kind of deteriorate? Has it been similar to Q4? And any way to understand kind of the headwind to ARR for the full year FY24 from the SMB softness?
spk00: So I'll give you my texture on February. So February, you know, was we continue to see the pressure on SMBs in the month of February. So that pressure actually continued. So we've seen that in play. And that's what informed our guys. If you think of Q4, we saw that worse than Q3. We saw that pressure continue further worse than in February. So we're extrapolating that to say that's what continues all through the year. And that's the headwind to the other part of the business, which is pretty strong, which is the enterprise business, which had another good quarter in Q4, and we'll sort of continue in that vein. So that's the assumption going in. The second part of your question, what's the size of each one, I think it's hard to call out. Remember, just to give you an order of magnitude size, SMBs are roughly a quarter of our business. And as I mentioned earlier, if you looked at the net dollar retention rate, which is a measure of our expansion, it was down to close to zero. in Q4. So you can see the pressure in that segment playing forward.
spk01: Understood. Helpful. One for Mark. Mark, we had heard from some of your customers that your AI capabilities like formula generator could help reduce the reliance on power users, kind of allowing average users to do more complex tasks. Do you think that could accelerate the adoption of paid seats within your existing enterprise tier accounts as it frees up the time for power users one and maybe maybe makes the average user much more productive and engaged?
spk11: I do. That's part of the thesis. And some of the things that we're able to see as leading indicators of that is we looked at our enterprise segment, the number of inquiries we had to our support desk in these areas, and we're already seeing a step down in that. Usage up, inquiry down. Good dynamic. So I do think that that is something that will exist. I think as we get the AI introduced to other elements that are super commonly used by analysts who are doing dashboard building, trying to derive insights from data sets, I think that word will start to spread within organizations. And I think a lot of times the way folks work within these companies, they want to see a data point. They want to see an example from someone in a neighboring group achieve success. Again, we are weeks into this being available. I would expect as we get a couple months under our belt to start seeing this pattern emerge.
spk01: Thank you very much.
spk14: We'll move next to Alex Zukin at Wolf Research.
spk08: Hey guys, this is Ethan Brooke on for obviously you can take the question. So I guess maybe a bit more of a high level or maybe from our, just as we think about the percent of customers that are using capabilities, is that number, you know, uh, kind of inches up from single digits, uh, you know, the teams and 20% over time, like as you embed, uh, gen of AI and self discovery as that accelerant, I mean, what does success look like for you over the next few years? I'm like, where are they not? Those amount of customers using your bad capabilities can go. And then as you think about, you know, monetizing that, you know, more improved functionality, I mean, where do you need to see adoption to go for all those ROI investments for R&D to pay off, basically?
spk11: I think the R&D is paying off well today. I think what I'd like to see us reach is a much broader penetration. I think on an earnings call one or two times ago, someone asked, so, Mark, what's your expectation? And I very quickly snapped back 50%. My expectation is the median customer at Smartsheet should be able to derive value from multiple products that we sell. So again, back to why I chose to partner with Max on go-to-market. When you look at the largest software companies in the world, they're not one-trick ponies. They offer value to their customers on multiple dimensions. And what our job is is to make that as accessible to as many companies as possible and their users. And I think part of that is what you offer them. And then the other part of that is how you make it available to them through a pricing and packaging standpoint. So a big driver will be how we judge the percent penetration of our portfolio into those organizations. The other important part is what's the contribution per organization. But I think right now we're not confused on our, on our remit, which is make these things available, get them into the hands as many people and organizations as possible. When you look at the retention dynamics of the companies that are deeply embedded with multiple products, good things from an NDRR standpoint happen when people are connected on multiple fronts. So again, this is, and it's not simply done by hiring more people. This is about letting the product pull for you. And it's one of the reasons R&D is working so hard on making this happen.
spk08: Yeah, no, it's incredibly coaching. That makes perfect sense. And it's maybe for Pete. As you think about it, I know we've talked about the different layers of conservatism embedded into the guide, but if you were to stack rank where you would see some of the biggest areas about performance, how do you think about the between just better macro, some of those go-to-market, execution above expectations, just anything there?
spk00: So I think if you think about how I might stack the upside of the different drivers, You know, I'm most excited about the product portfolio that we're launching through the year. We started with the launch of the modernized core application experiences this quarter, and I'm sort of bullish on that. I'm bullish on the next one, which is the leadership that Max brings in bringing efficiency in our sales and marketing theaters that allow us to go after making our median rep operate like our top rep getting that forward. And the third one I would describe is the wild card, which is all these self-directed experiences as we open them up to more products. how is that going to play out in terms of the upside it produces? So those are my top three. The macro is a wild card, which none of us can actually quite exactly predict. And putting a weight on it, it's always the biggest one. Could it make a change? It could. But I look at the parts of the puzzle and the pieces we can drive and control.
spk08: Got it. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it.
spk14: Next, we'll move to Josh Baer at Morgan Stanley.
spk16: Great. Thanks for the question. I wanted to dig in a little bit as we talk about macro and SMB, you know, what exactly is going on. It looks like from customer accounts and full churn disclosures, like we're not talking about logo churn, just want to confirm that. And then can I dig in between, you know, is it just seat contraction or less expansion? And like, what are the actual behaviors of these SMB customers?
spk00: Yeah, so I'll describe it to you in terms of rank orders so you can sort of stack it up. The number one driver is gross expansions with these customers, like the amount of propensity they have to buy in their current environment they're operating in. The lesser one after that is we are seeing reductions tick up, but that's not the major driver. That is a contributor to it, but not in the scale of the first one I mentioned.
spk16: Okay, that's helpful. I guess with both of those in mind, are those users within an organization using other tools? I know there might not be a direct competitive replacement perspective, but when faced with tougher budgets and having less gross expansion or some reductions, what are those users using?
spk00: So, you know, I would describe it as being, remember, the biggest driver is people buying in gross expansion. So that's just companies deciding there isn't a budget in small companies and saying, I'm not adding another seat. Things that used to happen, we call our transactional business. People would pop in and say, I need another seat. Everything in these smaller enterprises and expansions is going through a more detailed review process. And frankly, that's the part of the business that's suffering. Now, what happens where there's a reduction? I think in some ways people are leveraging the model to make decisions around, can I convert somebody from being a creator to a collaborator? Can I look at people in the platform and say, who actually absolutely needs it? That's a smaller driver in this equation, but that's what generally happens. It is not a switch to a different product most of the time. It's a, can I do without this person on the platform?
spk12: Okay, that's helpful. Thank you, Pete.
spk14: We'll go next to Taylor McGinnis at UBS.
spk13: Yeah. Hi. Thanks so much for taking my question. So can you comment or quantify what you're seeing so far in quarterly DBNR at the start of this year? I know you said enterprise was strong, but just curious if that means stable or what that exactly means. And then as a follow-up, it seems like in order to get to ARR growth of 14% for the year, you'd have to assume a pretty significant deterioration. in DBNR, so is the assumption that SMB and enterprise quarterly DBNR continue to worsen throughout the year?
spk00: Yeah, so Taylor, I'll ask you a question in these parts as you went through it. The first one is our enterprise, you know, dollar-based net retention rate for Q4 is over 120%, so we were pleased by how that played out. That's the first part of it. The second part of it is our assumption is what we're making is the SMB portion of that. Remember I told you the SMB DBNR was close to zero, so it wasn't significantly over 100. We've assumed that that continues to worsen as we go through the year. What we're doing is essentially taking a more conservative approach to the way that the macro might roll out and how the trends might evolve as one part of it. And we're also dealing with an element of, as we think of the enterprise portion of it, Enterprise sales cycles are back-end loaded, as is the total bookings. We're early in the year, so being a little more thoughtful and prudent as we make those determinations and how big those enterprise bookings and DB&Rs could be.
spk13: Got it. Thanks so much. And then just as a quick follow-up, I think you mentioned earlier that there might be some initiatives in place to potentially prevent you know, some of the weakness that you're seeing or help curb some of the weakness that you're seeing in the SMB segment. Can you just walk us through, you know, what some of those initiatives might be?
spk11: Yeah, there are three things that we're doing. One is at the leading edge, which is about lowering friction on the sign-up and getting started. So that's widening the funnel. I would say the other pieces that have been in flight for a number of quarters now, the first of which is being released later this quarter, is we've gotten a lot of feedback from both the sell side, buy side, as well as customers on, we really like the power of your platform, but boy, could we modernize it a little bit, please? And one of the big new views that we've been working on, it's been actually in evaluation with over a thousand of our large customers for coming up on five months now, I believe, that is going to shift this quarter. It's a new view. It's beautiful. It's fast. People love it. It helps on understanding your data and Smartsheet better. That dropped this quarter. That's available to every single business plan, every single enterprise plan. When we think about stabilization and we think about resonating with the SMB buyer, they want new stuff. They want beautiful stuff. They want a package in a way that's accessible. So as we look at our guide, one of the conservative things is the new view hasn't released yet. The massively modernized existing views we have, which shipped this year, haven't launched yet. Do I think those are going to pull harder than what we've had? Yes, I do. And until I see a quarter where I see the reaction to those things, both in terms of initial conversion rate, engagement of existing users, which drives an IT administrator's ability to continue to grant them that license or revoke the license, these are all things that I view as potential tailwinds. What I can say is we've been uber-disciplined on shipping those things when they're ready. So that first view that launches later this quarter, that thing will be ready, and I know customers love it. And again, what part of our job will be is to report out to you on a quarterly basis now when they drop, what happens in terms of engagement. We're doing that on AI right now. We'll report out on views. And I would expect because of the vastness of the lead flow we get from that SMB lower end of the market, it'll be really interesting to see how those new experiences drive conversion. The conversion one is sort of a hero metric, but I think the retention piece is the more nuanced one. And I think these can play as big a role in retention as they do in initial conversion. So those are the ones that I'm really keying off of in terms of improved performance.
spk00: And one of the things I'll add to what Mark said is the fact that remember our guidance philosophy is based on things we can see, we have experience on. So the parts that Mark mentioned are not included in our guide because we need to see the experience as the full set of these features come to bear and market.
spk12: Thanks so much. You're welcome, Taylor.
spk14: Our next question comes from Steve Enders at Citi.
spk02: Okay, great. Thanks for taking the question. I guess when you're talking about trying to bake in more conservatism with new sales leadership coming in, I guess what does that mean mechanically to the model? And I guess how much kind of flexibility are you kind of building in for, you know, incremental spend or, you know, incremental marketing initiatives to help support that change there?
spk00: So Steve, you know, we've, as a part of our plan, irrespective of a new leader arriving, we always have dollars set aside to explore opportunities where we think there are good, solid returns. That's a part of the thinking playbook we go through. That's already built into our plan today. It's not incremental conservatism on the margin side that's different. So that's what we've guided to. And then as far as it relates to sort of how we've built in conservatism for this transition and sales leadership. I'd say, you know, it's not one item has a certain value, but all the items I described have a cumulative effect that's built into the guide we've provided.
spk02: Okay, that's helpful. And then I think in the prior comment about, you know, what the change means, I think there was more focus on international and partners. And I guess part of me thinking about, you know, potentially increasing the investment in those areas and, you know, what potentially could be built out more fully with this change?
spk00: So, you know, if you think about the areas which Mark talked about, which are important to the company and Max brings into the picture, if you will, We're making investments in those areas already. We're making important investments. For example, in the international side of things, we're launching a data center in Australia by the end of the year. We're building out a market in Japan. So all of those investments are progressing with sort of the same mindset. So that's already built into the plan. What we would incrementally look at if things came out are opportunities that come from those same investments that Max would have a perspective on and the team would have a perspective on. Mark, anything to add on that one?
spk11: Yeah, I think the area of investment is we look at shifting some capital from a direct sales team into the partner-enabled channel. I think there's some real return opportunity there. One of the examples I gave in terms of customer success on this call, on my prepared remarks, was a large global services firm. That deal would not have happened without the partner. The partner was essential based on their industry expertise, their know-how on our platform, and we are going to be doubling the capacity of people who are enabling our channel. And that is a, when we think about our international markets, we have some where we team up with partners. Those are the areas where we have our existing sales teams and success teams. And then we're also formalizing our partner first regions where we are really bolstering the enablement capabilities, the lead allocation to those regions. And that is something which is really going to become come online in those regions for the first time in the company's history. Now, are those going to be a massive, meaningful contributor on bookings this year? I doubt it, but we're planting a lot of seeds. We have those markets identified. We have a number of partners already secured and enabled. And, you know, we will, as I look at the shifting of our people to those higher value, higher leverage positions, whether it be enterprise or partner channel, I think it's one of the things that we've done pretty well as we enter this year.
spk02: Perfect. Thanks for taking the questions and adding context there. Thanks.
spk14: We'll go next to Brent Thiel at Jefferies.
spk06: Hey, Mark. You know, the magnitude of the RAP G-cell is, I think everyone's kind of scratching their head a bit, why you want to show a little more margin improvement. this year and i'm curious if you could just comment you know why we shouldn't see more leverage given that the growth rate is falling pretty considerably and then had a quick fall off for pain well on the margin side britain what was the what was the reference there sorry i missed the i missed the question your revenue deceleration is not offset by the increase in margin your margin improvement is obviously very modest. Why not give more margin improvement given the massive deceleration of growth?
spk00: I'll answer that one. You know, if you look at the guide we've provided at the start of the year, it's always a balance. So when you think of where we started last year, you know, we sort of start the year with a set of things we think we can do well, and we go through the year and continue to optimize as we sort of deliver and go through the operational rigor of what we need to do. So our initial guide is 12% to 13% off margin. It's probably a reasonable starting point for the journey. So we've ended the year with a rule of 40 for FY24. If you look at where we started in FY24, we started at about the 34%, 35% rate and built through the year to where we needed to get to.
spk11: Yeah, I think the other thing that I would add to that in terms of how we plan for the year, we set our budgets, we set our plan. And we also have certain stage gates that we expect our teams to deliver against. So as we go through Q1, we have certain opportunities that we're looking to drive on AI, some of these new capabilities we're launching to market. We expect performance to come on the back of that. And if those stage gates are met, then we continue to invest per our plan. And Pete has the right to inform us of a pullback in a couple of those areas to add more margin if those stage gates aren't hit. So I like the fact that we still have this mindset of investment. And I do think some of the investments we have have an opportunity to demonstrate a contribution beyond what we have in our plan today.
spk06: Okay. And then just a real quick follow-up on S&B. One of the theories of why maybe you're seeing the weakness that you're seeing is that you are spending a lot more time going out market. And many have questioned, you know, is this more execution and more of a competitive issue rather than blaming S&Ps for not spending.
spk11: Yeah, I think part of the things that we're looking to do, one of the reasons we're trying to get the lowering of friction, getting people to discover things in a self-directed way, it's like you don't want to spend a lot of human capital getting those thousands and thousands and thousands of trialers to a point where they want to buy. I think a really good indicator of continued progress is We had, of our 500 companies, new organizations who moved from the free plan to a paid state in January, one month. Those are very self-directed motions. Those are not like heavy enterprise selling. And we're trying to open the aperture up, getting that lead flow bigger, and then positioning our offerings in a way where people can connect and purchase. Part of that is features. Part of that is pricing and packaging. Part of that is the instantiation of the free plan a year ago. And when I look at the performance of new logos coming in at that leading edge, it remains very healthy. We have tens of thousands of orgs who do not pay us today engaged on the free platform today. And the conversions coming out of that. Now, we launched that free plan a year ago. So could you say, well, some of that demand didn't convert, it rests in free, and there's a bit of an air gap now. We're waiting for that demand to build. Yeah, you absolutely can draw up that model and convince yourself of that. I think the conversion rate on new, on those SMB customers, is heavily influenced by what you serve up to them. And one of the reasons we're making these investments is because we think there's an opportunity to dramatically improve that. And we're doing that alongside of the enterprise focus. It's not like we're moving student body rights saying it's all about enterprise. It's enterprise grade offerings. that should work for both the leading-edge SMB as well as a really large company out there. And it's, again, we look forward to reporting on improvement on this.
spk00: And you mentioned the competitive element, if you will. That was your follow-up. If you just looked at it, we talked about sort of what SMB, you know, what I call NDRRs are doing. If you look at any of the competitive NPR NDRRs, they're taking our NDRRs as probably the strongest on that peer set. So when you look at it, the business has to go somewhere if it's an expansion. Nobody's seeing it. So I would describe it as being it's more of a function of the buyer in that market and how they're sort of prosecuting incremental ads in what they want to do. That's as simple as it is.
spk06: Great. Thanks, gentlemen. Thanks. Thanks, Brian.
spk14: We'll move next to Scott Berg at Needham & Company.
spk07: Great. Hi, this is Ron Merlion for Scott. Thanks for taking my question. Just a high-level one here. You know, with budget scrutinization continuing, can you provide any insight on how consolidation trends impact the quarter, particularly on the enterprise side, and whether it continues to be a net benefit or a headwind, and then maybe how you anticipate it plays a role, you know, into 2025?
spk11: I think consolidation remains more present in enterprise settings where people have hundreds of thousands of dollars of investment. We haven't really seen a dramatic change, though, in rate or frequency. A couple of customer examples that I said in my prepared remarks did come via a review by an IT organization that is trying to standardize. But when you look at the grand scheme of transactions in the quarter, it's still a very, very small percentage.
spk07: I appreciate that. Interesting question. Thanks much. Thanks, Rob.
spk14: And that does conclude our question and answer session. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Aaron Turner for closing remarks.
spk15: Great. Thank you all for joining us this quarter, and we'll chat with you again next quarter.
spk14: And this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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