Resolute Mining Limited

thank you and thank you for joining today's call i'm joined today with dave jackson our acting cfo so look 2024 has been a very dynamic year with some very strong positives but unfortunately some very difficult challenges look so today i want to walk you through key operating results for last year expectations to 2025 but also give you some color on the situation in mali and how we think about life moving forward But however, before I continue, I just want to say a few words about Molly. In the last quarter, we had some very difficult situations, probably the most challenging the company has ever faced in its history. It's times like this that you truly understand the caliber of the people in the organization. and I am so very grateful to each and every one of our employees who have shown tremendous resilience, ensuring our operations have continued unaffected. Also as noted in December, Terry Houlihan has taken a leave of absence at this stage. This leave of absence ends at the end of this month, and we expect an announcement shortly thereafter on his situation. So while the company has gone through a particularly difficult time, I firmly believe that after careful considerations, in-depth review of our operations, Resolute is significantly positioned to create value for all our shareholders. So let's dive into the presentation. Moving to slide three, I wanted to recap what I view to be some of the very key investment highlights of our business. So let's not remember that we're an established producer with over 300,000 ounces of annual production in two existing mines, and we have multiple jurisdictions in which we operate. We have a very high quality portfolio of assets with substantial growth opportunities, and I'll go more into detail as to how we see growth for our business. We're spending money in exploration. We had some significant wins last year in both Senegal and in Guinea, and now we're obviously deploying into the Ivory Coast. Finally, irrespective of the challenges we had last year in Mali, We still ended the year with over $100 million of liquidity, substantial free cash flow generation, and we expect 2025 to have similar results from cash flow perspectives. What this means for us is we think that the stock is cheap, that we are a very attractive proposition for growth, and that we today have really interesting and, again, attractive valuation metrics across EBITDA, PNAV, and cash flow yields. So moving to the next slide, a few key points on our 2024 results, which again, we're really excited about. We had a fantastic year from our operations with stable operating assets and strong cash flow generation. Most importantly, across the board, our safety metrics were extremely strong. Our TRIFR was at 2.11, well below the industry averages. We unfortunately were slightly below the guidance at 340,000 ounces versus the 345 to 365. But that was really due to a challenging year at Mako. But that being said, we are very pleased with the end result. Our all-in sustaining costs finished at $1,476, again, slightly higher than our guidance. Again, this was due really to the changing royalty rates that we saw in Mali as a result of the new mining code. But with the higher gold price environment and stable operations, generated $250 million of operating cash flows and EBITDA of $310 million, which is a substantial increase over 2024. So what this means is that we generate strong cash from stable operations, and we anticipate that to continue well into 2025. So moving on to the specifics of each site, I wanted to explain in detail some of the wins that we believe we had in both operations because we found them to be extremely stable throughout the year. So moving to slide six, starting with SIAMA first. When looking at the sulfide operation, you'll see that we produced 163,000 ounces of gold slightly more than the previous year. But this was due to the fact that we had close to 97% time mill utilizations. We pushed through 2.4 million tons through the plant. Grades were on average at about 2.6 with recovers at 78%. And as you can see on the left side of the page, we consistently produced healthy amounts of gold every single quarter. And frankly, we anticipate that to continue into 2025. The sulfide operation in the plant are operating extremely well. and with the exception of planned maintenance downtimes, we really don't anticipate any issues in our sulfide operation. Moving to the oxide operation, we produce 53,000 ounces of gold, again slightly less than the previous year, and one thing to note, and as highlighted before, we are starting to run out of oxides at SIAMA, and that results in obviously lower production with lower grades, and that's going to continue into the future. But again, we pushed through the mill 1.4 million tons. The average grade was about 1.25 and our recoveries were at 86%. So when we look at SIAMA, we think that we had a very stable operations for the year that generated strong results with 260,000 ounces of gold. And we expect that, like I said, to continue to the future as we transition from being a sulfide oxide operation to a completely sulfide operation. So moving over to page seven. Look, I wanted to give a further update on our situation in Mali. To recap, in 2004 in November, we had a very difficult time with the government. Our CEO, Terry Houlihan, and two other individuals were detained after having discussions with the government on a number of topics. At the end of the detainment, we signed a protocol with the government which outlines the framework for future discussions. Under this protocol, we will be moving to the new mining code. We have made payments of $160 million to the government in order to settle prior claims, and we will be looking to further understand the impacts of the new code on our business. We hope that also with these payments and the settlement agreement we are now paving the path forward for better cooperation with the government. We've tried very much since then to re-engage with the government on discussions around the new mining code but one point that I wanted to make is that the government is still somewhat consumed with discussions with other mining companies and so we have not really engaged with the government as we would have liked. However, that being said, we have done quite a bit of analysis on the impact of the new mining code. And as you can see in the last bullet, we think that the impact of the code roughly represents around $250 increase to ASIC. And look, as we look to continue to engage with the government, we'll keep the shareholders updated on anything meaningful. We're being extra cautious at this stage, but we do see that there's a path to move ahead with our operations in Mali. And we are excited about the growth opportunities that presents itself. So moving to page 8, I want to give you another update as well on how the Siama sulfide conversion project is progressing. We're really excited about this project and in 2024 we made significant achievements. The project remains on budget and on track as we sit here today. There's been no supply chain issues and even with the problems we had in Mali and Kew 4, the project and the operations have not been affected. Some of the key activities in 2024 for the SSEP have been the fact that we've completed all key procurement, most of the civils construction is completed, and a number of the major items have been delivered in our own site. For example, the flotation cells, the ball mills, and the crushers. Further in the presentation, I'll give you some expectations to what we're now doing on the SSEP, but as I said, for 2024, we view the project to be very much a success at this stage. Moving to the next slide and talking a little bit about Senegalese operations. We're also very happy about how they produced in 2024. The operation produced just about 125,000 ounces, and frankly, even though it had lower than expected ounces, the operations showed very strong results across the board. The mill was utilized close to 100%, and what really impacted the operation was two components. One, in Q3 we had heavy rains which flooded the main pit, and secondly, we had overestimated the grades for the final stages of the operations. We originally estimated grades to be around 2.2 grams per ton, but in reality they're coming in at 1.8 grams per tons. So the missing guidance was very much of the fact that we had lower grades, but the operations performed exceptionally well with the challenges that we had with the rains, and we expect that to continue into 2025. Moving on to our exploration activities on page 10. 2024 was also about creating value across our portfolio of exploration assets. We spent considerable capital in all of our assets in order to create value. most notably in senegal which i'll go to in some detail but first and foremost we delivered a maiden resource in our guinea asset and mensala with over 340 000 ounces and we think that is a very interesting deposit and we'll continue to explore it in due course We also entered into a joint venture arrangement in Ivory Coast and Q4 by entering to the Diabo project, which we think is a fantastic area for growth for the business. Today, there's a maiden resource of around 400,000 ounces that's 43-101 compliant. and we're starting drilling as we speak into 2025 to grow this deposit. We're very excited about the Ivory Coast and I frankly view it to be one of our next jurisdictions to operate an asset. But moving on to specifically in Senegal to page 11. As mentioned before, the Mako mine is coming to the end of its life with the existing pit and so we're working very hard in developing satellite deposits in order to extend the life of Mako. We spent four and a half million dollars in 2024 for in-pit filling and drilling at the Tombocoto deposit. As you can see on the graph on page 11, we think that there's well over half a million ounces available to feed the plant at Mako. And again, further into the presentation, I'll give you some context to what we're doing in 2025, but we view that 2024 was the right step in order to develop the extension of the Mako mine. So with that, I will turn over to Dave to give a bit more specifics around the financial results for 2024.

Thank you Chris. I will be walking you through the key financial results of the year, which we are very excited to share with you. You can see there are a lot of numbers up on the page, but I would like to go through the notable figures for the year. We ended the year with 336,000 ounces of gold sold. This was slightly below the 340,000 ounces produced due to the timing of gold sales at the end of the month. These were all sold in the beginning of January. As Chris mentioned, we landed slightly below our guidance on production due to the lower production of Mackle for the year, which was partially offset by strong performance at Sciamma. On the cost side, we ended the year with all unsustaining costs of $1,476 per ounce. This is a slight increase from 2023 and above the group all-in sustaining cost guidance. The cost increase, as explained by Chris earlier, is mainly due to the increased royalty rates in Mali, which accounts for approximately $50 an ounce at a group level. Shifting focus from all-in sustaining costs, I'd like to highlight the graph on the bottom right of the presentation, which illustrates our three-year trajectory for EBITDA and revenue. This is a trend we are extremely pleased with. Over the past three years, and especially in 2024, we have significantly improved our EBITDA margin. With revenue rising by 27% from 2023, our EBITDA has nearly doubled to $311 million for the full year 2024. The increase in EBITDA can be attributed to several factors. The primary driver was the improvement in the realized gold price for the year. Additionally, it reflects the positive impact of the end of our hedging program in Q1, with all sales from Q2 onwards made at the spot price. Finally, it highlights our success in managing costs effectively in the current inflationary environment. Overall, we are excited about the Group's financial results at this stage. Our full year audited financials will be released in March, but I'd like to spend some more time to get into the detail of our outstanding cash flow result, which is presented on the next slide. Coming to the waterfall chart, you can see we generated approximately $250 million of operating cash flow in the business. This marks a significant increase over 2023, where we generated $140 million over the same period. The increase in operating cash flow is mainly attributed to the favourable gold price environment. However, there has also been notable progress across the business with our cost reduction efforts. A strong focus on cost-saving initiatives and strategies remains in place, with the goal of further enhancing our operating cash flow in the future. So now I would like to run you through some of the detail in getting to our ending cash and bullion position of $101 million at year end. Our capex spend, inclusive of $20 million of exploration, was $117 million for the year. The capex spend was around $10 million below guidance. But as we mentioned last quarter, this was expected and is due to the deferral of capital associated with the SSCP to 2025. Working capital was a $37 million inflow for the year. This is a great outcome and the result of a lot of hard work by our team as we continue to drive cash flow generation. The cash inflow was primarily due to initiatives focused around reducing consumable balances at SIAMA and MACO, We've had a lot of success and have realized 10 to 15 million of cash savings. We were also successful with working with vendors on extending payment terms, giving us more access to cash in the near term. On the flip side of the positive working capital outcome, I do need to point out that we are seeing increased tax leakage across our operations in both Mali and Senegal. This is coming in the form of delays in getting our VAT refunded, which is building up on the balance sheet, as well as an increase in tax audits in both countries, which could result in future cash outflows. Moving on, you will see that we have the final $25 million payment of the term loan facility, which was made in the first quarter of 2024, and left the business with no outstanding debt on the financing side. Continuing on with our cash flow, you will see the balance is rounded up with a cash inflow of $34 million received from the sale of the Ravenswood mine and the $160 million settlement payments in Mali. In summary, you can see the business generated around $15 million of positive cash flow for the year. This leaves us in a strong net cash position of $66 million at year end. Given the situation in Mali, I would also like to highlight that the previously announced senior debt facility is no longer fit for purpose. The primary purpose of this facility was to provide increased flexibility for growth opportunities. However, we've managed to maintain that flexibility by boosting the liquidity available to the group through successfully securing increased overdraft facilities in Mali, raising our available liquidity to over $100 million. This positions us exceptionally well to pursue both organic and inorganic growth opportunities, which we are very excited about. With that, I will hand it back to Chris to walk you through the 2025 guidance.

Thank you, Dave. And now moving over to the guidance for 2025. Let's first start with SIAMA. So when you look on page 16, you can see that we're guiding SIAMA to produce between 195,000 ounces to 210,000 ounces at an ASIC of $1,700 to $1,800. Obviously, this is being impacted by the new mining code, which we think has an impact to overall costs around $250. But let me give you some context to how we came about these numbers, because as you will have seen in our press release, that we've also revised the guidance on the start of the SSCP from 2025 into 2026. So look, as we were going through the challenges in Q4, we made a strong effort to focus on cash flow generation for 2025 and beyond. And one of the things that we saw is that we actually have quite a bit of oxides that still remain at Siama, and it makes a lot more sense to complete the processing of the oxides in existing plant before we switch on the sulfide operations. So the focus was to really be on generating maximum amount of cash, and therefore it made sense, like I said, to deplete the oxides this year and into the beginning of next year, and then only turn on the SSCP once the oxides were mostly depleted, which we anticipate to happen in Q1 of 2026. So that was probably the biggest shift. Thereafter, another sort of point to highlight is that the sulfides are effectively replacing the oxides. So as we look into the near future, we anticipate that production will be around the same levels, at around the same levels of cost, In probably three to four years, as we start to get into higher zones, sorry, higher grade zones of Siam and North, We anticipate possibly the production profile to increase. But what people need to remember is that those high-grade zones come with very high strip ratios, and so cash flow-wise may not be the most economical for the business. So there are other opportunities for us to review when we look at SIAMA, and we are doing that work. But at this stage, we think the best thing to do is to, like I said, complete the oxide processing, focus on sulfide conversion next year, and maximize cash flow in the near term. Just to give some context to the capex numbers in the bottom right of the page, on the non-sustaining capex, around $30 million of that money is from the SSCP. with the remainder being we have a TSF lift in 2025, which is obviously adding quite a bit of cost to the CapEx numbers. In the sustaining numbers of between 40 and 45 million, roughly 25 million of that is waste stripping, with remainder being fleet upgrades, replacements, and things along that nature. So we do envision the capital expenditures at Tiamat to continue to be robust, not only for this year, but as well next year. Moving to the next slide, on page 17, I wanted to give you a bit more context to what's happening with the SSEP in 2025. As I explained in the previous slides, we have reforecasted and reworked our models and it made a lot more sense for us to changed the completion date of the SSCP from July 2025 to H1 2026. So we've slowed down the works in order to push as much spend into next year as possible so that we can start the ramp up of the SSCP in H1 of 2025. So this year what we're planning on completing will be obviously the implementation of the CIL tanks. We're also looking to have the re-crusher circuit completed mid-year. We're also looking to start works on the flotation cells, but the significant what I call construction and erection work of the ball mill will start in January of next year. So we're trying to do as much as we can to keep the project on schedule for start of next year, But as we see it today, we stay very much on track from a budget perspective. We're just needing to work with our contractors and reworking the schedule so that we delay the start into next year. And that has an effect of being able to maximize cash flows in 2025, which makes a lot more sense than it did in the past. Moving to page 18, and we're looking at MACO, 2025 is very much a transition year for MACO. I think as previously discussed, MACO is coming to its end of its life with the existing ore body. So we're looking to complete mining of the existing ore body by June before the rainy season, and thereafter we'll be processing stockpiles. So that's why the production is around 80 to 90,000 ounces. down from 125 this year but out of track to basic of 1300 to 1400 dollars. Like I said we're looking to complete mining by June and then we'll be in stockpile processing from there until the end of 2027. For context once we're into the stockpiles we'll be processing stockpiles around a grade of 0.9 because we won't be mining obviously we think that we're going to be still creating quite a lot of cash around 100 million dollars per year But we're obviously focused on extending the life of Macro through Tombow or possibly Bantaco. So again, this is a business that's transforming from mining to now processing stockpiles. And the teams are very well ready for this and equipped. And we're working with the communities also in reducing the workforce to be a much more efficient operation under this new operating profile. With regards to exploration and moving on to the next page, look again, we're really excited about what we're doing on exploration. We see huge value opportunities across the company. We have had to kind of pick and choose where we're going to spend our money. And the focus for 2025 is really in two jurisdictions, being Ivory Coast and Senegal. In Senegal, we'll be less around drilling in the sense that at Tomba, we've drilled out the deposit quite well. So we know that we have a lot of gold that we can put through the plant. What we need to do at Tombo is to continue to work with the government in getting approvals to move the village and to get the studies in order to do so. So Tombo is much more about creating studies and creating environmental impact studies and working with the government on displacement of the village. But I'll walk through the timeline in the next slide. Really where the focus, like I said, on exploration is going to be in Senegal will be drilling at Bentaco. We think there's gold in that part of the world. But we need to obviously do a proper drill campaign, and we'll come back to you in due course if we believe there's a mine at Bentaco that could complement Tombo. And then the other area of excitement is in Ivory Coast. We plan to spend at least $3 million in Ivory Coast at the Lidabo project because we feel that that's an area that is really interesting and we can deliver a mine in the coming years. and we definitely want to be in Ivory Coast in the future. But let me talk to you a bit more specifics on Tombocoto by moving on to the next slide. So moving to the next slide, I wanted to give you some more details on the plan with Tombo. Tombo project is not cheap with at least a cost between 80 to 100 million dollars because of the movement of the village as well as displacement of a national road. So there's a lot of work that needs to be done in order to get this satellite deposit into production. There's a number of studies that need to be completed and we've commenced those and we're well underway of completing those studies, including a PFS, which are all needed to convince the government of a moving of the village. So one of the things that we've done is obviously been acting with the government and trying to get them engaged in understanding the impact of losing the Mako mine. But with the dynamic situation in Senegal, with a new government that was put into place in 2024, we are running up against a few walls. So look, below is, I would say, an ambitious timeline that we've put together on Tombo, from the development of the studies, the movement of the village, and obviously to processing of ore at Tombo at the Mako mine. I would say this is an ambitious timeline. There's a number of steps that need to occur, but we're very much putting on a full-court press on trying to make this happen because we recognize that by the end of December 27, we will be running out of stockpiles and we'll have to find a solution for MACO. So moving to page 21 and looking at the total group guidance for the business. So with all these moving parts, what does it mean for us? So for 2025, we see total production between 275,000 ounces and 300,000 ounces of gold at an ASIC of 1650 to 1750. That ASIC is an all-in ASIC which incorporates corporate and exploration expenses. Even with an increasing ASIC number as a result of the new code in Mali, we expect to still generate substantial free cash, well over $100 million at this point. So look, we're really excited about rebuilding the business and generating a healthy cash balance at the end of this year in order to continue to explore growth opportunities across the company. 2005 exploration is going to be very much focused on growth with regards to the studies at Tombo, quite a bit of drilling at Bentaco to understand what we have in Senegal, and finally to continue advancements at the Ledabo project in Ivory Coast, as explained on the previous slides. So look, in conclusion, we're moving to the final slide. Why are we excited about our business? Like I said at the very beginning, we are a multi-asset producer with a strong track record of growth. We're well established in West Africa. We have lots of ounces in the ground. Like I said, 10 million ounces over in Siyama. We have a very strong balance sheet with a compelling net cash position. We have a substantial number of growth opportunities. We view that we are rebuilding the relationship with Mali, but we're being extra vigilant to how the overall politics in West Africa evolve. And ultimately, when we look at where our share price is and our valuation metrics, we think that we can create substantial value for our shareholders as we move into the future. So with that, I'll turn over to the operator for questions, please.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, if you would like to ask a question on today's call, please signal by pressing star 1 on your telephone keypad. Again, that is star 1 for your questions today. And up first, we have Andrew Bowler from Macquarie. Please go ahead. Andrew Bowler, your line is open. Please ensure you're not muted locally.

Yes, copy that. Sorry, I was on mute. G'day all. Just a couple of tax questions from me. First of all, the first part, I guess, is a simple one. How much cash tax did you pay over the second half of 24? It doesn't seem like it was a lot. And second of all, you're talking about VAT receivables and a bit of leakage coming out of the business from now on. I take that to mean that you're no longer going to be able to offset your corporate tax payables against the VAT receivables. like you've done in the past and I assume that's a step change following the settlement payment with the government.

Hi Andrew, it's Chris here. Good to talk to you. Look, maybe I'll start just on the VAT and then I'll ask Dave to just respond to you on tax payments for H2. Look, on VAT, the receivable balances are still being calculated and we hope and we anticipate they will come back. We think there's a strong probability of that happening in Senegal, but we have seen delays. We did get some VAT refunds last year, but on a delayed basis. So I wouldn't say that moving forward, we should anticipate no offsets. I just think that this needs to be modeled that there will be delays. In Mali, it's a bit trickier. We haven't received VAT refund for some time. They are still being calculated and being put on the balance sheet as owed, but the timing of when we will have those VAT sort of used for offsets is really at anybody's guess. Under law, we're owed them back, but obviously we need to continue to work with the government in getting those back to us. So look, I wouldn't say they're gone, but obviously more difficult to get.

Dave? So the net result, sorry, the net result would be obviously an acceleration in tax payments to a more, you know, normalised corporate rate in Y25 and beyond, calendar year 25 and beyond?

Exactly, yes, that's correct.

Cool. And then just to clarify on those second half cash tax payments, it doesn't seem like they're very big for calendar year 24.

Sorry, Angie, can you repeat the last part of your question, please?

Just the cash tax payments for the second half of calendar year 24 doesn't seem like they were that meaningful, just to get an idea of the sort of step change.

It was around $10 million for H2.

Okay, thanks very much. That's all for me.

Thanks, Andrew.

Thank you. And we're now moving to a question from Rich Spencer from Canaccord. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

Thank you. Can you guys hear me? Yep. Okay, great. I've got a few questions. So if this gets laborious, I can park it and take some of them offline. So I might just punch through these if I can. The new structure with the government interest at SIAMA, the preference shares, am I correct in assuming that that means they get a dividend prior to any intercode loan repayments that may be in place. Um, and for modeling purposes, should we assume that those, uh, any dividends from profits of the operation go out on a quarterly or a half yearly basis?

Um, so look, um, not necessarily the way that it works from what we understand is that it's an annual payment. Um, But what the PrefShare allows for is that it's basically a firm calculation on the net income of the business at the end of the year. So say we generated $50 million, they would get 20% of that $50 million net income. That's what the intent of the PrefShare is. So it's less about true cashflow generation, but what's reported on the net income of the income statement for this YAMA asset, if that makes sense.

It does. It does indeed. Thanks. And just to clarify, so any payments would be made on a live basis or in the following year?

No, you can make intercompany debt payments throughout the year. It has no impact to what I would call the dividend calculation. So they're somewhat separate, right? So the dividend calculation, again, is based just on what's being shown on the income statement. And then you can move cash around the business as when we're doing it on a normal basis.

Okay, great, thank you. Next one, the local development fund contributions. And that wasn't in some of the original press releases you guys put out late last year. The 3.75% that's levied against revenue, could this be seen as a royalty with a different T-shirt on? And just to clarify, is that development fund contribution included in that $250 increase almost the same cost that you flagged?

So, Reg, the answer to the second part is yes, so it's in that number. It is meant to be truly a fund for community growth, but we haven't received the specifics on how that fund works. What that means is who we pay to, how it's monitored. There's supposed to be a committee that's in place to help monitor the spend of that fund. Those are all aspects and details that we haven't received any information on. So we have not started to make payments towards that fund, but we anticipate ourselves and, frankly, all of the mining companies will have to do this at some stage because it's in the new mining code.

Got it. That probably is a good segue into my next question. When does the application of the new code become effective, Chris? Does it kick in January 1 or is there – period, given that it sounds like, especially with the development fund contributions, that there's some aspects of it that remain to be ironed out?

No, Reg, that's absolutely correct. So if you know from the previous press releases, we signed the protocol, I think it was November 20th or 18th, thereabouts, and we had a three-month window to work with the government to implement the new mining code and have all the details worked out. And that's coming up in mid-February. We've been trying to get in front of the government for those discussions, but because of their activities with other mining operators in Mali, they have told us to wait until they complete their discussions with others, and then we're next in line. So we're ready to engage with them, but I have a feeling that the actual implementation of the new mining code and understanding certain aspects of the new mining code is going to get delayed. beyond February, but I really have no idea what the right date is.

Okie dokie. I think that's probably it for now. I've got a couple of other little minor ones, but I might just shoot you an email offline. Thanks, Chris. Appreciate it. No problem. Thanks, Richard.

Thank you. And up next, we have Justin Chan from SDP Resource Finance. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. Thanks very much for hosting the call and taking questions. My first one's just on, I'm just looking at the cash flow waterfall slide, and I think just comparing this one to Q3, I see the $160 million Mali settlement, but I guess the previous bar that would have been equivalent was there was a government dividend bar of $17.6 million, and there's no of equivalent bar so i'm just just for the modeling um is that 160 million settlement net of the 17.6 million dividends you already paid or was it just for presentation you just um got rid of that government dividend bar just trying to

No, Justin, maybe I'll take this one. For presentation purposes, we put that $17 million effectively in the operating cash flows because what it relates to is withholding taxes on dividends that we pay to the governments as part of their ownership. So it's effectively a tax payment. So we put all the tax payments under operating cash flows. And considering the size of the settlement, we just wanted to move things around to try and keep it simplified. But yeah, that's how to think about it.

Okay, no, that's fine. Yeah, I was just making sure I wasn't supposed to net or et cetera based on that. Okay, thanks. That's helpful on that side of things. And then just for the, and Mako, for your mining in the first half, I see the ounce guidance. That 1.8 gram number that you mentioned, is that what you expect for the remnant what you're mining for the remainder of MACO, or can you give guidance on what you're expecting?

Yeah, look, from the ore body, it's around 1.8 grams per ton. So for mining through, call it, June of this year, that's what we expect. And then it's going to drop off slowly to 0.9 grams per ton, which is effectively the average grades of the stockpiles that we have remaining until 2027.

Right. In terms of head grade in H1, is the majority of the ore coming from the ore body, i.e., your head grade is 1.8 or is it somewhat lower?

No, no, that's correct, from the ore body.

OK, gotcha. Thanks. I think those are, yeah, maybe just the last one. In terms of the fuel surcharge in the future and just how to think of it, Does that 10 to 15 million a year, that's at present fuel levels, will that move dynamically with oil prices?

No, not really. It's pretty consistent, especially for existing operations. The number will have a bigger impact in the future once we're operating the SSCP. Or another way to put it, once we're fully a self-made operation, because we're going to be utilizing more power. But it's going to be around that $15 million impact from where it was in the past. And what it means is in the past, we had... fuel was carried an extra duty that was exonerated now we've lost that that that exoneration therefore we have to pay additional taxes related to fuel okay great thanks chris um i'll free up the line thanks very much for taking my question thanks justin appreciate it thank you and as a quick reminder to ask a question over the conference call today please signal by pressing star one

And up next, we have Cody Hayden from Burenburg. Please go ahead.

Good morning, Chris, Dave, and thanks for taking my question. Just one from me. At Sciama, I was hoping you could help unpack the $250 an ounce additional. I know we kind of briefly, it was brought up in the development fund contribution, but I was hoping you could just kind of unpack that for me and how you kind of came to that number just for a better understanding, please.

Sure. Cody look, it's, it's simple. It's really three elements. The first one is about a hundred dollars to the higher royalty rates. We went from effectively 6% up to 10%, 10 and a half percent. So that's 4% on, on obviously 800 million or so. And then there's another 4%. It comes from the foundation payments. So that's another a hundred bucks. So you have a hundred dollars on a six from royalties, a hundred dollars from the foundation payments. And then the remaining 50 odd dollars comes from the fuel exoneration that we lost. There's other small bits and pieces. For example, we need to utilize a lot more local contractors and there's local content rules that will possibly impact the operations from fewer suppliers. So we are seeing a slight increase in what I call operating costs from some of these shifts. But the big items are the three that I just mentioned.

Great. That's extremely helpful. Thanks, guys.

Thank you. And if there are currently no further questions over the conference call, I'd like to hand the call over for questions via the webcast.

Hi there. Will you look to pay down trade payables over H1 2025 that you mentioned built up over H2 2024?

Look, I think when we look at AP and speaking towards some of the initiatives that Dave talked about on working capital, we're very much targeting and call it an industry standard of accounts payables of 60 days. So we're happy to have accounts payables build to those levels, but we also don't want to create any sort of mountain of payables beyond 60 days. So that's the target is to keep it at 60 days.

Great. There are no favourite questions on the webcast. I'd like to hand back to the room for closing remarks.

Great. Thank you. So look, as we went through the presentations, there's a lot going on in the business, both at the end of 24 and in 25. I think, look, as I mentioned, the operations are now very stable. We are working with the governments to clarify certain aspects for our business for the future. But like I said, we're extremely encouraged and excited about what we see in 25 and we think it's going to be a strong year. So thank you very much for the time and We'll look forward to the next one. Cheers.