speaker
Mark Dixon
Executive Chairman and CEO

Good morning and thank you everyone for joining us this morning for our 2025 results. Overall a very good year both financially and operationally and strategically we continue to roll out the plan that we set out over the past years. I'm going to take you through briefly exactly why that matters, in particular in these volatile times with geopolitics at play, with the AI question that everyone keeps asking. So what is our business going to be about over the coming years? When I started IWG, there were different times. There was before the internet, that was before, that was a time when mobile phones weighed quite a few kilos. But the idea then was simple. It was about giving people access to great workspace, great work tools. And even though I started with one centre, it was about doing it better than anything else they can get on the market now that morphed into doing that wherever and whenever they want it and that is the business we have today so that's me so when you look at today we've got a business more relevant than ever in this changing world. What's very, very clear is that customers, so companies, want to rent, not own. They want to be capital light. They don't want to invest in facilities, fit out furniture for long terms. They really value an asset like activity. And I'll give you a quick example of this. This is one of the largest tech firms in the world, big customer of ours. I made the mistake when I was on a conference call with the CFO saying, well, I'm sure cash flow is not your problem and you're probably not interested in being capital light. He said, no, absolutely the opposite. We are very interested in being capital light. We want to spend every last dollar on data centers and AI. We don't want to spend any money on anything else. So we're absolutely rationing capital in the business and we really like things that are flexible, we really like things that are capital light. Moving to flexibility, we get hit by, our share price got hit by the AI sort of meltdown which is the end of commercial property apparently. What people underestimated is that Companies really value flexibility. So if you're a CFO or a CEO today and you're trying to work out how many people you're going to be employing in 27 and 28, 29, that's an impossible task because everyone's clear that AI will change the number of people that you have, change the type of people that you have, but it's hard to predict what it will actually be. So more and more companies now are adopting AI both capital light and a more flexible approach to how they support their people. So there's a very straight correlation. The more publicity there is about AI, the more our inquiries go up, the more our sales go up. So this is absolutely helping us grow our revenues as we come into 2026. And... Then if we sort of turn to, so that's the one side, we've got great demand, the demand's getting stronger, that's converting into such, we've got a very good revenue story. And if we look at supply side, this is the property industry. Now, that's changed completely, and it continues to change, where the property industry, now it's starting to understand that it's not just about having assets, about how you use them. So they are becoming more and more interested in adding value to their real estate, adding value to their assets and turn them into products that companies can buy. And we help them with that. So we've got unprecedented growth last year and it will be the same this year. with more and more property companies, more and more investors, pension funds, institutions of all kinds, saying we want to be in a much more operational real estate business, adding more value to the people that are going to be using it. And that is really helping us on the supply side. We've done some fantastic deals, the team did a great job last year, certainly with getting more institutional, larger centres in cities, along with growing the network into the provinces, as the sort of light bulb moment happens within institutions. What we deliver is a completely different cash flow. We deliver cash flow and we deliver a completely different cash flow with effectively delivering to an investor at least one, but an average about 1.8 times whatever the yield they would have had so it's a significant increase in cash flow by giving the customer what they want using an efficient platform to do it which is our platform um so you know today we're the very much the market leader globally nationally on any count with the network that we have today we're very optimistic about the future And the strategy is working and you're going to see it work again in 26 and beyond. As our underlying strategy of moving to a billion of EBITDA that we've telegraphed on every meeting, we just keep taking steps closer to it reliably with no surprises. So just looking at the scale of what we have so far, few numbers. So it's the biggest, it's the most extensive network in every county. More than a million rooms open now, 4,600 centres, and almost there's another thousand centres that are in the construction stage now. Over 120 countries, mixed blessings on that one, you know, in terms of the Middle East at the moment, but very, very broad coverage. And pipeline of about 230,000 rooms that were already signed and in the pipeline at the moment. And that is before we sign up new locations this year. So the size of the network is very important in terms of what customers are looking for is coverage. What we are looking for is coverage to help those customers and using lots and lots of tools to get scale benefits from having these large networks that work both for the customer and most importantly for the cost of operation so we can operate and supply at most efficient, the best prices at the best margin because of the scale. And we work all of that through. In terms of competition, look, there's plenty of competition out there, but it's very small and fragmented. And overall, our network today is bigger than the next 10 competitors combined. And we're growing at a much higher rate than any of those competitors or the market overall. So one of the other things, you know, it's another AI avenue. They say, well, aren't you going to get this intermediated? because they think somehow we're in the booking business or tech business. Whilst we are in it, it's a very small part of our business. Most of it is about having all these properties, operating these properties and supporting workers. And yes, the workforce will change, but it will change in our favour and so on. And can what we do be duplicated? I had that question this morning. on, I can't remember what it was, I think it was FT, can you be duplicated? The answer is no, not quickly. So what we have is something built up over nearly 40 years, lots of relationships, setting up in all these countries, tax, accounting, all of these things, hard to do. It's not something you can do overnight. And so the network size, really important. I think we have a very, very significant moat between us and any future competition that comes along. So, capital light. This, I think, is one of the most important structural stories and it hasn't yet been understood fully. I'm sure everyone in this room understands it, but certainly outside That is when I'm talking to journalists or the outside world. We haven't landed this message yet. They think somehow either own real estate or somehow have some kind of risk in it. This is very much a success story. If you look at the chart here, you can see that when we started doing capital light deals, that is partnering with the property industry, about 15% of the network was managed and franchised. Today, it's 33%. If you add in the pipeline, we're at 50% already, and that's without anything signed up this year. So we continue to move the business, it grows, but the highest growth is in the managed and franchised. So that starts to become a bigger and bigger percentage of the business, which helps explaining the investment case, it starts to become the major part of the business. And it's a really reliable part of the business, and Charlie will talk to you more about that. So, this is about continuous deliver. When we talked about it at the beginning, people said, yeah, good idea, we're not sure you can deliver it, but every year now we continue to deliver. and I think it's that consistency of delivery that sort of helps in the investment case. It's a capital-like delivery, it's high margin, it generates a lot of cash and there's obviously a lot less balance sheet risk, so it sort of shows well and it's helping us grow much more quickly. What it does also is helps validate and use our IP, and our IP is the system's multiple brands. It's our ability to actually create revenue. We have a massive sales operation that is a direct operation, direct to the customer, that the more sensors we have on the network, the more the overall platform is validated, the more revenues we get. So, look, overall we feel that we've got a complete rewriting story of the business. That hasn't come through yet. But it will come through and I'll talk more to that in a moment. So, again, another underestimated part of what we do is the fact that we've got a genuine breadth of brands. brands allow us to do pretty much any building. So we can go all the way from super budget to six star centres. We do laboratories, we do medical suites, we do a whole range of cash generative enterprises that building investors and owners can tap into and decide what brand, what activity suits their building and we support them in that choice. But what it gives us is the ability to keep fueling the growth as more and more real estate starts to become more operational. And this is a key differentiator. No competitor has more than one brand. They're all doing single brands. They're all very fragmented. This brand suite we have here, very powerful part of our overall IP. So slide here. on the investment case. This is a slide we showed in December at our investors. I'm sure many of you have seen it. But just to reiterate, what we're doing is very similar to what the hotel groups did some time back. They moved to a franchising model, more asset-like model, which enabled faster scaling, generated extraordinary free cash flow, and allowed exceptional shareholder returns. So much so that the best operators in this group are trading at 15 times, 16, the best when we last looked was 19 times EBITDA. So long way from where we are at the moment, clearly, but we are doing exactly what they are doing and we're following this path. So the business becomes more and more capital light much more flexible much more cash generative as we move forward so we're doing what the hotel companies they they've already followed this path but we have much stronger mega trends so we're dealing here in a market where we don't have we're married without a hilton on ihg and every other hotel group we're pretty much on our own It's a huge addressable market. That's the real estate office industry, about a two trillion market. And it's a market that is changing. So what are all these stories about? Whether it's AI, whatever it is, work from home, work from an office, all of these stories are all about how technology is changing the way companies and people work. And we're at the forefront of that and benefiting from it. So a huge opportunity in the future as we continue to grow the network, continue to add brands and continue to get scale benefits from operating our business. So, and I think clearly it's an easier story for investors to understand, to comprehend when more and more of the revenue comes from management franchises. And that is happening year by year. So the question is, how long till we re-rate? We continue to deliver our expectation. We are closing the gap slowly. We need to continue to do it until we get to the promised land. Promised land doesn't have to be 19 times EBITDA, by the way. Very nice for the investors in the room. But certainly a lot higher than where we are at the moment. So these mega trends, and I've sort of talked to them at the beginning, we're much better than hotels. I have hotels in my personal investment portfolio, and they are volatile. They're tough hotels, very short books revenue. We actually have short and long. We have most of our revenues are quite long-dated and we have a mix between short and long. So it's a much more attractive cash flow profile. Absolutely unique. As I said, we are competing, but we're not competing with people like us. Most of it is about explaining the market and growing on the back of that. And our market position means that for investors, for the people that own the properties, we can provide a much better proposition. We have more products, more salespeople, and we create revenue much more quickly than anyone else could do. And all of these things support the growth. This change in the way people are working overall is fuelling the growth. Now, valuation. I'll be direct about this, it's very low. Despite all of the dynamics that we have, we're a mile away from Marriott who's the best performer in terms of multiple. So what we have to do is, we're very clear here, everything's in our favour, huge addressable market, weak competition, We've got a good model. We're very disciplined about how we deliver on it. We just have to keep delivering and keep cutting the distance between us and the medium term outlet we put there. So it's about just very reliable delivery and these results give you just that. And I think it will be helped that eventually a light bulb moment will happen and people will realise that somehow this is something other than a property business. It is about supporting workers, but it's not necessarily about doing that only with property. We have lots of other products that support people. I covered it this morning with journalists. They said, look, more people are coming to the office. We are hedged on this. We have a significant business that's growing supporting people working from home, more than a million customers. and that one's growing. And we also have a business in office and you can clearly see that that one's growing. So it's a nuanced overall picture that we are winning in and you can see that coming through in our results. So let's just quickly, I just want to say once again, mega trends here. CapEx to OpEx and you will see this pretty much universally amongst companies, they sort of understand that they don't, if they don't need to own it, then they shouldn't own it. And you can see that with many other comparisons. If you look at Ashstead Tools, people rent tools, very cheap tools, $100, $200 tools, but they rent them, they don't want to buy them, even small things. So you can see car rental, fleet rental, truck rental, anything all of these things now tend to be off the balance sheet they tend to be rented complete with service rather than companies buying things and operating themselves so that conversion is you know you speak to CFOs they are becoming clearer and clearer about this conversion platform working so We have companies that do contracts with us for 25,000 people. This isn't about a small company rolling up at the front door here and saying, I need an office, what do you have? We do that, by the way, but the major part of the business and a growing part of the business are enterprise customers that say, I have 25,000 people in the United States and I would like them to use your whole platform. How much is it? And that is what we're delivering. Flexibility is going to become, the world has become more volatile and uncertain and that very much plays into what we're doing. Whether it's geopolitics or whether it's AI or whether it's, you know, I'm not sure what my business is going to be. All of these things are helping us and leading to a rise in inquiries. We have a consulting arm. And it's very interesting to see here the level of interest from companies who are asking for consulting help to change how they support their people. And it's very, very clear, very strong increase in demand here as more and more companies seek to find a way from A to B. They can save lots of money. They like that. They can see that they want more flexibility. The problem is making the change. That company is doing very well and I think it gives us good visibility on the market itself. So, technology. That is distorting how and where people work. I mean, if you travelled on the Tube this morning, you would see, I'm not sure, some people are working, most of them are looking at films and stuff, on the Tube, on the subway. But you can do basic work from anywhere. It's not a thing to say, well, I have to be in an office. I've done interviews all the way here, from TV studios to here in the car. It's quite difficult actually in the back of the cab, but we've done them all the way through. So technology just makes work a different thing. Now, so it's distorting, making work change. We really provide a platform that makes that work a more productive thing. That's what we're about. I think then if you turn to AI in terms of how it's transforming what we do, we've doubled up every year now for three years our AI investments. We were using AI before it was a thing. It wasn't called AI then, it was called robotics and automation. But for our scaled-up business, it's certainly going to change how we operate. If you look back in the results of this, you see we kept our costs reasonably flat over the last two, three years with a lot of inflation. Now that is AI investments, some of it. And we're putting more in to get more scale benefits as we go forward. So for us as a scaled up operation, the benefits are much bigger. So we can make the investments, get the returns. And it will speed up what we're doing. The key thing is it helps better decision making. They have a huge amount of data. It's not always evident how to use it. And for normal people to pick up that data and use it quite hard, AI makes the data do most of the work for you, you make better decisions. So, if you look at planning, if you look at accounting, if you look at lots of these things, AI tools, customer service, many of these things, totally transformational. And it will mean that we'll be able to do a lot more with less people ourselves. And that's already happening. So all of these trends are supporting us in what we're doing and we think they'll continue to gather strength in the future. So partner benefits I've really covered here and the key thing here and the strength of what we've done and what we are doing is great endorsements from the partners that we've already signed up and we're already operating centres for. The key thing we're looking for is repeat business. So how many more centres do we get from the same owners? Are they happy with the return? That's a resounding yes. Are we getting more institutional business? Yes, we are. A lot more to do there, but we're getting more of that. Because once institutions change, pension funds, etc., then you're really on to something, because they control more of the real estate stock than anyone else. And that is also happening. Overall, sustainable long-term cash flows. Can you get me cash flow? Can you get it quicker than whatever the best alternative is? And we are achieving that, and owners are very happy with it. They're, in fact, surprised in our ability and the speed of delivery here. And for customers, it's... Here we're providing base level services, we're adding to the services. So we've added, for example, health benefits in some countries. We've added gym benefits. So if you imagine you're a company, large or small, built into your products, you have benefits for the people. We also have added, and we're growing this globally, a full buyers group, so you can buy all sorts of commodities on a buying platform, where we're combining the strength of the buying potential of all of the customers that want to participate in buying basic commodities, paper, stuff that they need. Also proving very popular. So we're looking to, these things are not necessarily very high margin, they all make a margin, but they're all about making the company, the offer to the company broader, more effective, and helping people, i.e. health benefits or gym benefits, not necessarily for the company, but something the company can offer their people, done in each country. So overall, we're very focused on customer satisfaction, and company, the customers, the real customers paying the bill, their satisfaction and that is working. And then as we put forward in the US the flywheel, Charlie, myself and management seem very focused on this. So this continues to gather momentum. We came out of 25 with strong momentum, we come into 26 strong momentum. So in revenue growth, more centres, more platform, more enterprise customers, it sort of keeps on powering up. We did invest more in growth last year. We signalled that halfway through the year. That has paid off. We'll do more again this year. And that will continue to grow the cash flow and the shareholder returns. Charlotte will talk to you more about that. So... We're a network business. This flywheel is all about winning and certainly the mix that we have. It can always be better, still a lot more for us to do, but we are winning. We are delivering on it. So in summary, it was a good year, 25. Tough year in many ways, but a good year. We had a good outcome. and we certainly set ourselves up very well for 26. We're actually growing faster now. We're more capital-like than we have been before, and we're certainly starting to generate more and more cash as we go through this year. Returning capital to shareholders, Charlie's going to talk to you more about that. But we're also investing in the platform, so we're investing in growth, investing in the platform. We're not being... sort of rationing cash into the business. We're doing all of that and producing enough cash to return to shareholders. So we think we've got a very good mix and in spite of volatility or anything that's going on in the world, we're confident of delivering again in 26 and beyond. Thank you very much. I'll hand over to Charlie.

speaker
Charlie
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Mark, and thank you very much for everybody to be here today. I'll take you through the financials for 2025 and the outlook for 2026. With our full year results that we delivered this time last year, we set out some very clear guidance for 2025 and we made that very explicit. And I'm delighted to report that we delivered those numbers in line with that guidance that we set out. So first of all, we said that we'd deliver EBITDA of $525 to $565 million, and the outturn for that was $531 million. We originally stated that we'd deliver more cash flow in 2025 than in 2024, and we revised that at the half year to be at least $140 million, and we delivered $162 million, so up 60% year on year. We also stated that net debt would be flattish year on year and we've come in around $730 million on a US GAAP basis and that came in at $715 million. We also stated that we're continuing to deliver, which is obviously a function of that net debt and the EBITDA, and that's reduced 1.45 times to 1.35 times, which was also after returning $144 million of capital to shareholders via buybacks and dividends. We also said we'd deliver $45 million of recurring management fees up from $19 million in 2024, and we delivered that in line with the guided number. And we also said that we'd sign and open more locations in 2025 than in 2024. We opened 25% more and signed 26% more in 2025 than in 2024. So overall, I think we can summarise the year as we guided, we delivered on that guidance, as Mark said, becoming very predictable and making sure we're delivering in line with what we're saying. For the financial year 2025, our managed and franchised business drove the system-wide revenue higher by 4%, to a record $4.5 billion. This led to the highest ever US GAAP EBITDA delivery in our history, up 6% in 2025 to $531 million, on track towards our medium-term target of at least $1 billion. Our capital-like growth continues to go from strength to strength. We signed over 1,100 new centre locations in 2025, and this is an acceleration through the year. We opened 782 centres over three centres per working day during the year, so a phenomenal rate of centre openings. And this growth in management franchise saw our fee income grow by 2.4 times, and we continue to expand our gross margin in the company-owned business as well. And this all came while we returned $144 million to shareholders. $14 million in dividends and $130 million in share buybacks and we saw our leverage reduce as well. So the engine of our growth in 2025 was the momentum in our management franchise division. We saw system revenue growth of almost 30% in the management franchise division in 2025 and this translates into 60% fee income growth and 140% increase in recurring management fees on the managed partnerships business. We started the year with a footprint of 185,000 rooms and added 122,000 rooms across the year. So now we have a footprint, including signed but unopened rooms, of over half a million. Importantly, and you've seen this chart before, not only are we able to sign these rooms up and open them, but we're also able to fill them. And they are trading in line with as we expected. I'm very happy to report that RevPAR for these rooms is performing very much in line with expectations, and that is the case across all of the cohorts. So coming back to our footprint and pipeline, given the RevPAR experience, when our rooms are open and mature, this universe will have the potential to generate $1.8 billion of annual system revenue, and the fee income comes from that. The recurring managed fee income we are generating comes with good visibility and very good predictability. And we've given this guidance before and always met it in line. At the end of 2024, we guided that we would generate $45 million of managed fee income in 2025, which we did. And we expect managed fee income to be $80 million in 2026 and $125 million in 2027. So very good forward visibility in this division. As we've been clear for some time now, to head towards our billion dollars of EBITDA in the medium term, we need to keep expanding the system revenue of management franchise, but also expand the margins in company-owned. Margins here expanded by 97 basis points in the year. We plan to keep expanding the margins going forward towards our target of 30%. And our interim results, which we also expanded upon at the investor day in December, We laid out a clear picture as to the price investment we've been making over the last year, and why, as these discounts rolled off for new customers, blended prices at higher occupancy would be heading up and not down. This has carried on at the start of 2026, giving us good visibility on pricing through 2026. So right now where we are, we've got good visibility into 2026 pricing, and hopefully this will continue. As Mark mentioned earlier, we continue to manage our core overheads tightly. We actually saw core overheads coming down very slightly year on year, but we've made the choice to keep investing in discretionary overheads, including partnership sales managers for new centres that we spoke about at the interim, and also logistics people to ensure buildings open faster. We've also spent extra money on marketing to ensure new centres open full as quickly as possible. As we stated at the Invest Today in New York City in December, we've integrated digital and professional services into managed and franchise and company-owned. And I'm pleased to report that both businesses performed well in 2025. Managed and franchise continues to see strong top-line fee income growth and company-owned revenue momentum trends early in 2026 gives us confidence in our revenue guidance here so far. Putting all that together for 2025 enables us to return significant amounts to shareholders while still reducing leverage across the year, as I've mentioned. This shows how we bridged from $501 million of EBITDA in 2024 to $531 million in 2025. The fee income in managed and franchised, margin expansion and company-owned, and a small reduction in small overheads, combined with an incremental additional investment in the discretionary overheads, drove that in the picture, but in particular you'll see that the increase in management franchise fee income is really one of the core drivers here. Total reported CapEx was up in 2025 versus 2024, but this is primarily due to two factors. Firstly, timing differences between receiving landlord contributions and paying out the respective CapEx on managed enterprise real estate led to phasing issues, and there's a difference between the way CapEx is accounted for under IFRS versus US GAAP. IFRS is on an accrual basis, whereas US GAAP is cash flow based. Some accrued CapEx from 2024 were settled in 2025, which drove a high year-on-year CapEx outflow on a US GAAP basis. You'll see, though, if you look at the IFRS numbers that we've reported historically, that actually these levels are about in line with the normalised levels. So 2024 was a bit of a dip year on a US GAAP basis. Maintenance capex is evolving as expected and expected to be $100 million and grow with inflation going forwards. And we've made this guidance very clear in the past. All of these numbers need to be balanced with what we're actually doing. In 2025, we open three centres every single working day and CapEx remains very low on historical levels and will remain so. The battery seems to run out on me. Great. 2024 was the first full year post the pandemic of full positive earnings. And I'm pleased to report that 2025 was the second year of positive earnings in a row. Adjusted gross profit increased by 9% to over $1 billion driven by our system revenue growth. As I've explained earlier, we continue to invest in overheads to drive growth. and this translated into 6% growth in EBITDA to $531 million, and a small increase in operating income, which translates into fat earnings per share, but adjusted earnings per share saw significant year-over-year growth. Cash, however, as Mark said, is our key focus, and I'm pleased to report that we generated 60% more cash available to shareholders in 2025 versus 2024. This enabled us to return $144 million to shareholders and also continue to delever through the period. It's worth noting that cash flow in 2025 was positively impacted by some payments that were originally scheduled for payment in 2025 but were actually paid during 2026. But that notwithstanding, the cash outturn for the year was strong and in line with guidance. We continue to invest in systems and finance during the year. We adopted US GAAP as our accounting standards, integrated digital professional services into company-owned and managed and franchised, and we continue to move our balance sheet structure to a longer-term footing with a new seven-year investment-grade bond that we raised in May. Aside from only $6 million of convertible bond that was not put by investors in December, we now have no refinancing needs until 2029. And there'll also be no further changes to how we're reporting from a divisional perspective. This shows how our net debt has evolved through the year. We started 2025 with $729 million of net debt and generated significant cash flow from operations. After core costs of net maintenance capex, interest and tax, it's worth pointing out that if we decide to spend zero on growth capex and not return any capital to shareholders, net debt would only be in $485 million. But we see huge opportunities, so that would have been the wrong thing for the business to do. So net debt after growth capex was $567 million, and after non-cash financing costs, the impact of FX in our debt, and our 144 capital return across dividends and buybacks, we ended net debt with $715 million over the year. Despite investments and capital returns, our net debt to EBITDA still fell during the year to 1.35 times. Our transition to Capital Lite has also enabled us to return significant amounts of capital to shareholders. We are very active in the buyback into any weakness and purchased almost 50 million shares for cancellation at an average price of only 201p, a 13% discount to the share price at year end. We have a very disciplined approach to our capital allocation. We've already announced $100 million of buybacks for 2026, following the $130 million that we completed last year. And we intend to communicate capital returns in line with how we did that during 2025. As mentioned, we actively managed the buyback last year and will continue to do that through this year. I wanted to put this slide up just as a reminder of what we said we'd deliver at the investor day in December and how we expect growth to continue accelerating going forwards, driven by our capital light strategy. So you'll see this slide again going forwards when we report back on how we've progressed against these targets. Which brings me to the outlook for 2026 and beyond. So first of all, I just want to reiterate, no change to outlook from what we said in December, no change from what we said at the Q3 results in November. EBITDA growth is expected to be driven by revenue growth as opposed to cost reduction, and adjusted EBITDA to be between $585 million and $625 million for the year. Net debt is expected to go up very slightly in 2026, given the fall in absolute terms in 2025 when we guided that net debt would be roughly the same. In the medium term, we still target a net EBITDA of at least $1 billion and remain very committed to our investment grade credit rating. And we will do that whilst continuing to return cash to shareholders in line with our capital allocation policy. As you'll be aware, we announced $50 million of buybacks on the 31st of December and we announced an additional $50 million this morning to take the announced program for 2026 to $100 million. Thank you very much. And with that, we'll take questions.

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Michael Donnelly
Analyst, Investec

James, thank you. It's Michael Donnelly from Investec. Two from me. First of all, Mark, thank you for your comments on AI. And until the market gets bored with this acronym and moves on to something else, we've kind of got to keep talking about it. Specifically, you mentioned the proprietary data that you've got from the world-leading network. Is it true to say that you've been able to use AI tools to interrogate that proprietary data in a way that your competitors would not be able to do? And then the second question probably for you, Charlie, is on the 30 million into the partnership sales team. You said that's an annual cost, but if you're still in investment mode, should we think about that growing at double digits or more in line with GDP from now on? Thanks.

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