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Hello and welcome to the 908 Devices third quarter 2024 financial results conference call. My name is Elliot and I'll be coordinating your call today. If you would like to register a question during today's events, please press star followed by one on the telephone keypad. I would now like to hand over to Kelly Gurra with the Gilmartin Group. Please go ahead.

Thank you. This morning, 908 Devices released financial results for the third quarter ended September 30th, 2024. If you've not received this news release, or if you'd like to be added to the company's distribution list, please send an email to ir at 908devices.com. Joining me today from 908 is Kevin Knopf, Chief Executive Officer and Co-Founder, and Joe Griffith, Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, our commentary today will include the presentation of some non-GAAP financial measures. These measures should be considered as a supplement to and not a substitute for GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures can be found in today's earnings press release, which is available in the investor relations section of our website. Additionally, I'd like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that are forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated. Additional information regarding these risks and uncertainties appears in the section entitled forward-looking statements in the press release 908 devices issued today. For a more complete list and description, please see the Risk Factors section of the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, and in its other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Except as required by law, Nanrate Devices disclaims any intention or obligation to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise. This conference call contains time-sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast, November 12, 2024. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Kevin.

Thanks, Kelly. Good morning, and thank you for joining our third quarter 2024 earnings call. We ended the third quarter with revenue of $16.8 million, an increase of 17% over the prior year period. However, our financial results fell short of expectations. As we noted in last quarter's earnings call, we expected second half 2024 growth to be driven by our handhelds, including a number of 20-plus unit placement opportunities internationally and domestically. While we secured many sizable orders and placed 178 handheld devices in total during the third quarter, placements were less than expected in part due to a compressed spending period resulting from the delay in passing the federal budget and delays with advancing international contracts. In addition, we continue to see softness in the bioprocessing and life science instrumentation market, elongating the sales cycle of our desktop devices. Our prior 2024 guidance contemplated a quicker and sharper recovery in second half demand, which hasn't yet materialized. Given the muted 2024 spending environment and the delayed opportunity with the ending of the U.S. government fiscal year, We are appropriately lowering our 2024 revenue guidance to be in the range of $56 million to $58 million, representing 11% to 15% growth. Joe will provide more detail on our guidance in a few moments. The end of October marked six months since the closing of our acquisition of RedWave Technology. We continue to be incredibly excited about the union of our two platforms and the rationale for bringing the two companies together remains absolutely unchanged. As a combined company, we are now better equipped to serve our customers by offering a full, best-in-class portfolio of innovative handheld devices paired with world-class service, training, and comprehensive decision support. Reflecting back on our learnings over the last six months, Combined with the shifting dynamics in the markets we serve across our entire portfolio, it's become even more evident that operationally, our harmonized platform creates a path for further cost efficiency and expanded gross margins for all of our products. We are implementing three structural adjustments to fully realize this. We are at a turning point and believe now is the right time to lead into these changes and accelerate the transformation of 908 as we prepare for 2025 and the growth beyond. First, we will move manufacturing out of Boston by the end of Q3 2025 to our facilities in Morrisville, North Carolina and Danbury, Connecticut, which are lower cost manufacturing locations. We successfully moved production of our consumable chips to North Carolina earlier this year, and this site will now take on production of our desktop devices. We completed the expansion of our Danbury facility in the third quarter, and this site will manufacture all of our handheld devices going forward, including our U.S. Department of Defense AVCAD product in partnerships with Smith Detection in the potential full-rate production phase. Our Danbury site offers a roughly 75% reduction in facility rent costs compared to Boston, and this will be leveraged over time to expand device gross margins for our highest volume products, our handhelds, representing approximately $2.4 million of annual savings starting in 2026. Second, we have right-sized our bioprocessing and life science instrumentation efforts for current market growth. Last week, we took the action to reduce our workforce by 11%, which included positions in sales, marketing, and R&D. This reduction is expected to save approximately $4.2 million annually, and importantly, enhances our team's agility to capitalize on opportunities as the industry recovers. Third, we're optimizing our full sales organization for new efficiency, focus, and flexibility to quickly take advantage of growth opportunities. For our handhelds, this includes taking a page from the RedWave playbook and efficiently driving device sales through inside sales efforts with virtual demos and leverage of their established Try Before You Buy program, which combined represented about 25% of Red Wave sales year to date. For desktops, we're leaning further into our strategy to pursue biopharma partnerships with equipment innovators, particularly in the cell and gene therapy space. To expand our account reach, we will step back from our subscale international direct sales team to gain a larger presence through specialized channel partners in the bioprocessing space across Europe going forward. This model has proven effective for our forensics team. With these adjustments, we remain confident in our ability to operate in a lower growth environment and capture the opportunities in front of us. But we're also looking forward and remain excited to create an acceleration of growth and believe we remain well-resourced to achieve this. With our assessment, we've identified five key elements to accelerate our growth in the near, medium, and long term. One, increasing enterprise adoption of FTR handhelds. A strength of 908's commercial engine is the ability to penetrate and radiate across government enterprise accounts. Just over the last few months, MX908 was adopted into multiple global enterprise accounts, including the Vietnam border guard, the EU drug detect program for prisons, and the U.S. National Guard Bureau counter drug program. For our FTR products, we secured initial purchases with the U.S. Coast Guard, U.S. Environmental Protection Agency, and the U.S. Navy in Q3. Now, six months into our prospecting, we've already identified hundreds of units of enterprise potential for FTR handhelds. These large enterprise opportunities take time, sometimes years, to develop, but it's great to see strong initial pipeline development. We're pleased to see Redway's products, including newest Explorer device, following MX-908's trajectory and making inroads with large government customers, which represents a previously untapped opportunity. We anticipate that our new Explorer product will be a major contributor as year-to-date placements are already double those of all of 2023. Number two, creating an upgrade cycle with the next generation of our MX-908 handhelds. Over 2,500 MX-908 devices have been deployed since its release in late 2017. We're preparing to disrupt the market yet again with the release of a next-generation device within the next two years, offering a step change in performance and simplicity with half the size and weight, a lower cost of goods, and a higher pull-through opportunity. Three, winning the full-rate production award for the U.S. Department of Defense AVCAD program in partnership with Smith Detection. We are developing a complementary variant of the MX-908 for program-wide adoption across the U.S. Armed Services, which represents thousands of units potential. To date, under the low-rate initial production contract, we have delivered approximately 100 units together with Smiths. The next phase is full-rate production, which is anticipated to result in over $10 million annually. The milestone decision is anticipated within the government's 2025 fiscal year. Number four, return of biopharma CAPA spending for novel instruments. Market reports on biopharma R&D spending and on the cell and gene therapy outlook give us confidence that the industry will return to growth. The need for novel process analytical tools is fundamental and remains a key point of emphasis for both regulators and frontline workers. Last year, we launched two game-changing process analytical technology, or PAT, devices, Maven and Maverick. While we've had good customer engagement, we've seen prolonged product trials and evaluations. On the positive, our pipeline of engagements for Maven now includes multiple 12-plus unit opportunities across PDE and GMP manufacturing, and we expect Maverick to follow suit. We are expecting sequential improvements in desktops for Q4 and expect this pipeline to more significantly convert as funding headwinds lessen over the next 12 months. Partner integrations reaching scale. We continue to believe an efficient path to market and scale for our desktop devices is through integration partnerships with the innovators of process equipment. We are working to secure design wins with multiple companies to enable our placements to scale with these partners. We have previously announced projects with Solaris and Terumo BTT, and we are progressing well with a pipeline of more than six others across biologics and cell therapies. For Q4, about half of our anticipated desktop orders are a result of this effort, which was started formally only in Q1 this year. Many of these growth elements are now coming into view as a result of the hard work and dedication of our team and the relentless pursuit of our three focus areas, market expansion, portfolio engagement, and operational excellence. For that, I thank our entire team. While we aren't expecting a V-shaped recovery in our demand environment, we see encouraging signs of improvement. Stepping back, strong second half seasonality has been the norm for our handheld portfolio since the 2017 launch of our flagship MX908 device. Our government sales team has done a fantastic job executing on these large multi-unit government opportunities over the past seven years. delivering a 27% organic revenue growth CAGR between 2018 and 2023. Handheld growth has certainly been and continues to be lumpy at times, evidenced by our Q3 results and expectations into Q4. But the positive trend line is clear and remains clear. New opportunities for growth paired alongside margin expansion opportunities in our fixed cost and manufacturing operations That's up 2025 to be a transformative year for us and we plan to provide additional color related to our growth and margin trajectory in subsequent calls with that i'll now turn the call over to Joe for more detail on our financials.

Thanks Kevin revenue for the third quarter 2024 was 16.8 million up 17% from 14.3 million in the prior year period, primarily driven by an increase in handheld device revenue. This included approximately 3.2 million of Red Wave revenue. Excluding Red Wave, revenue declined 5% year-over-year. Handheld revenue serving the forensics market was 14 million for the third quarter 2024, up 19% from 11.7 million for the third quarter 2023. This increase was driven primarily by revenue related to our recently acquired FTIR products and an increase in service revenue. We shipped 178 handheld devices in the third quarter, up from 117 devices in the third quarter of 2023, bringing our installed base to 2,796. As a reminder, in the third quarter of 2023, we recognized 2.4 million of revenue from our initial low-rate production delivery under the U.S. Department of Defense AFCAD program. Our core handheld growth for the third quarter was 20%, when we exclude the AvCAD delivery and contributions of Red Wave in the third quarter of 2024. Revenue from our desktop products serving the life science instrumentation and bioprocessing markets for the third quarter of 2024 was $2.8 million, increasing 8% from $2.5 million in the prior year period. Eight desktop devices were placed in the third quarter. We ended the third quarter 2024 with a cumulative handheld and desktop install base of 3,253 devices, up 20% from 2,714 at the end of the third quarter 2023. Recurring revenue, which consists of consumables, accessories, and service revenue, represented 36% of total revenues this quarter and was $6.1 million, a 70% or $2.5 million increase over the prior year period. largely driven by service. Recurring revenue in the third quarter consisted of $3.9 million related to handhelds and $2.2 million related to desktops. Rebel utilization remained at approximately half a kip per month for our active users, which has been a consistent run rate. Looking ahead, we expect recurring revenue for our product portfolio to be in the mid-30s as a percent of product and service revenue for the full year 2024. Gross profit was 8.3 million for the third quarter of 2024 compared to 7.9 million for the prior year period. Gross margin was 50% for the third quarter of 2024 compared to 55% for the prior year period. Adjusted gross profit was 9.3 million for the third quarter of 2024 compared to 8.1 million for the prior year period. Adjusted gross margin was 55% as compared to 57% for the prior year period. The decrease in gross margin was partly due to a higher mix of service revenue and favorable manufacturing variances in the third quarter of 2023. For the first nine months of 2024, adjusted gross margin was 56% as compared to 52% for the prior year period. Over the longer term, we continue to expect volume-based improvements to our gross margins as we achieve better leverage over fixed costs. Additionally, we expect adjusted gross margin to be in the mid-50s for the full year 2024 with further expansion in 2025 and beyond as we consolidate our manufacturing facilities. Total operating expenses for the third quarter of 2024 were $38.5 million compared to $17 million in the prior year period. The increase in operating expenses was driven by a $30.5 million non-cash goodwill impairment charge the inclusion of operating expenses related to our acquisition of Red Wave and stock-based compensation. This was offset in part by a $12.1 million credit for an adjustment to the valuation of our contingent consideration liability. Excluding the impact of the non-cash goodwill impairment charge and contingent consideration liability, total operating expenses for the third quarter of 2024 increased $3.2 million. including a half million increase in stock-based compensation. The additional 2.7 million increase was primarily due to increased costs associated with the Red Wave acquisition, our first full quarter of ownership. Net loss for the third quarter of 2024 was 29.3 million compared to 7.1 million in the prior year period. Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was a loss of 6.9 million compared to $5.7 million for the prior year period. We ended the third quarter of 2024 with $71.7 million in cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities with no debt outstanding. We consumed less than $6 million of cash in the quarter and have used $27.6 million in operating cash during the first nine months of 2024. We expect to finish the year with cash, cash equivalents, and marketable securities in the mid $60 million range. We remain well resourced to operate in a lower growth environment and execute on our 2025 transformation and the five identified growth drivers. As Kevin shared earlier, in line with learnings from our first six months of Red Wave ownership, we have implemented three structural adjustments to create a path for further cost efficiency and expanded gross margins for all of our products. This sets us up for more than $7.5 million of annual savings with approximately 4.2 million starting in 2025. Looking ahead in 2024, we now expect revenue to be in the range of 56 to 58 million, representing reported growth of 11 to 15% over full year 2023. This compares to our prior range of 63 to 65 million. Our updated revenue guidance includes the following assumptions. First, we are lowering our revenue guidance for the core nine-way business. and now expect an 8 to 4% decline over full year 2023. Our previous guidance range included a number of 20-plus unit handheld orders expected to close before the U.S. government fiscal year end. A few of these larger deals did not materialize in the third quarter, and in one case, a last-minute reduction in our customers' funding resulted in a smaller multi-unit placement win. Due to delays with the federal budget and based on our customer meetings in October, Many of these opportunities are pushing to 2025 and will require a new budget to initiate purchases. The uncertainties of the election have also led to certain customers pausing available spending in a potential changing environment given a changing administration. Desktops are continuing to experience headwinds in a recovering market for preclinical instrumentation, resulting in a reduction in our fourth quarter expectations. We now expect a decline in year-over-year revenue in the low teens versus potential growth. That said, we're encouraged by positive signs of stabilization in our demand environment, and we are tracking towards sequential improvement in desktops in the fourth quarter. Second, we now expect approximately $10 million in 2024 reported revenue from RedWave, which represents approximately 10% pro forma growth and reflects eight months of ownership. This compares to our prior expectations of $11 million. The reduction is mainly due to the timing of international placements, which are requiring a longer sales cycle and more nurturing than first anticipated. On a pro forma basis, assuming red wave ownership for the full year 2023, our updated revenue guidance implies a 5% to 2% year-over-year pro forma decline. For the full year, we continue to expect adjusted gross margins to be in the mid-50s range. possibly pulling back a bit from our nine-month adjusted gross margin of 56% due to a higher mix of international sales in the fourth quarter of 2024 and timing of our production builds in the year. As Kevin mentioned, we expect 2025 to be a transformational year for 908. We've implemented a number of strategic initiatives targeting a reacceleration of top-line growth, margin expansion, and cost optimization. Combined with an improved market opportunity, We expect 2025 to represent a key transition year, supporting improved growth and scalability. At this point, I would like to turn the call back to Kevin.

Thanks, Joe. I certainly recognize that Q3 orders did not fully meet our expectations, requiring a reset on our full year. But our multi-year growth trajectory remains healthy and sustainable. I further recognize that the integration with Red Wave is hard work and can be disruptive. But these are near-term impacts, and the prize is realizing the clear operational efficiencies and benefits we've outlined and executing on the five identified drivers of growth to transform and scale our business. As we move forward, we will focus on these initiatives, accelerating synergies, further lowering our cost basis, expanding our margin, and driving us towards profitability, while being good stewards of cash and importantly setting ourselves up to overperform and win. I'd like to emphasize that we are an innovation driven company with a robust pipeline of products designed to outperform traditional tools and unlock new critical to life applications. We believe that the strategic update we announced today not only reduces costs, but more importantly, positions us for sustainable, scalable growth as we aim to be the global leader in point of need chemical analysis across forensics, bioprocessing, and life science research. I'm excited, enthusiastic for what lies ahead. With that, we'll now open it up for questions.

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star followed by one on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star followed by two. When preparing to ask your question, please ensure your device is unmuted locally. First question comes from Puneet Suda with Lee Rink Partners. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah. Hi, Kevin. Thanks for the questions here. First one, you know, I understand the challenges of the life sciences and market. We've been seeing that for the last year. But the magnitude of the guide down at this point, even after accounting for , I mean, it raises the question if there are any structural or competitive issues in the handheld market beyond the, you know, agencies that you're selling these products into. So just wanted to understand if the, you know, is it largely the pushing out of the budgets because of political uncertainty, which is obviously not lost on anyone, but just wondering if it is, that is, you know, the primary driver or if there is any structural competition that you're seeing in the market. And on the desktop side, you know, how should we think about the recovery in first half 25? You pointed sequential improvement here. should we assume that sequential improvement to continue into first half?

Yeah, thanks, Pramit. Thanks for your questions there. Yeah, absolutely. The life science is one part that I'll get to in a moment, but the handheld placements did, of course, come in light in Q3. As you pointed out, if we strip out the 2.4 million in AVCAD revenues from the prior year period, MX 908 actually did see a positive 20% growth in the quarter. And we did see continued traction with multiple enterprise accounts, U.S. and international. And we are also pleased today to talk about our largest account win here in APAC with the Vietnam border guard. Yeah, I agree that it is more of a timing with a budget uncertainty that really came into play here. And so some of the orders we saw really call it fall out of the quarter with that end of the U.S. government fiscal year. Joe mentioned it's prepared marked a little bit around the election, some pausing, just some call it rethink there, always some uncertainty that can develop. absolutely i don't see any structural any competitive any other dynamic playing out here absolutely i don't um you know these customers all have a very clear need for a certain number of devices and and uh they're working to get budget to do that in a particular period and some cases they were able to to win and with them and get an order this quarter and in some cases that order was a little bit smaller just due to again lack of uh timing, visibility, and the ability to actually contract purchases in a very compressed government fiscal year. So no structural change there. From a desktop recovery perspective, yeah, it's a little bit like we've continued to see here, headwinds in the desktop placements. And largely, we haven't seen much change to that, you know, sales cycle taking longer. For our novel technology in that preclinical instrumentation space, We did mention that we do expect a quarter over quarter step up in desktop device placements in Q3. And that really is being driven around our partnership initiative that we started formally earlier this year, which gives us confidence in that. And it's really kind of a call it a force multiplier as those partners win. So that's coming from call it some of the initial placements. So.

And I think putting it on first half of 2025 and desktop, there is a bit of Q4 step up each year with the year end budget each year can vary. So over the first half of 24 or about 2.5 million a quarter should be able to get to that level in the first half. Makes sense, but probably not at the Q4 step up level off of the 2.3 million in Q3.

OK, then on You know, the organization being lean, look, if I recall, 908 has always been traditionally been lean compared to most companies in the space. You had a workforce reduction earlier in the year as well, and now additional 11% reduction. So just wondering, you know, the size of the organization, is it right-sized for the current times? And just wondering if the markets were to recover, Would you be equipped with enough workforce to capitalize on that? And just wondering if the workforce reductions were within U.S. or more outside of U.S.?

Yeah, absolutely. Always very sensitive to make sure that we have the capabilities to take on opportunities as they develop. We really believe we do, and we really believe that reducing the workforce was across sales and marketing, and it was across R&D and a little bit in COGS. uh us but definitely some international uh for sure um in the case of our our desktops really we just needed to to work on uh right sizing that a bit it's been a rough eight quarters in that life science capex environment and the timing of that recovery is still a bit more maybe gradual than a sharp snapback so With that, we really worked to resize our team there. But we do think we have all the capabilities that we need to drive growth. We are continuing to leverage a direct sales force in the US. And we do have a hybrid direct distribution approach that we're now going to lean more on distribution across Europe to get a broader footprint than we've had before. And then distribution in APAC, which has an interesting pipeline that's really been developing nicely for us. And then on top of that, as we mentioned, we're really pushing on those partnerships, really looking at a way to have a force multiplier on top of our direct effort. So we believe that we're well resourced for now and to drive growth in the future. And to be honest, I think by having a sharper focus team, we'll be able to drive efficiencies. And just we're now at that point with new products in this environment, you're doing a lot of tests and trials, connecting dots, senior level selling. And I think we're going to be better equipped for that.

OK, thanks. I'll leave it there.

We now turn to Matt LaRue with William Blair. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hi, this is Sam Martin on for Matt LaRue and William Blair. Just two quick questions. So one, just focusing in on really how a new administration might really change things on the handheld side in terms of priorities and timing. And just kind of thinking about the different puts and takes there. What sort of impact are you anticipating initially in terms of further reductions, further pullback and spend? And is there any way that this new administration could also impact some of the demand and some spending on the desktop side, given their priorities in terms of funding might be a little bit different? And then on the desktop side, I think you referenced about eight quarters of CapEx weakness in the life sciences space. So just in terms of the rationalization of bioprocessing instruments, so near term, are you kind of looking across your portfolio and seeing what might be stale, what you might need to cut? And then long term, is it sort of changing what you invest in and what you're not investing in or how you invest? Thank you.

Yeah, absolutely. So starting first with the handheld and the the, uh, election, uh, piece there. Um, yeah, I think when there is an election, it certainly, uh, can cause, cause a little bit of a shift, uh, particularly, uh, amongst the call it middle ranks that are getting their priorities, depending upon the administration. And of course, across those senior ranks, I think if you look across the DEA and military spending since two thousands, um, you'd see that there's been a consistent low mid single digit growth range, uh, really regardless of administrations. So I think there are some experts out there predicting that we may have an increase in the U.S. defense budget. And I think one of the areas that we may see a positive is on the contracting delays. We mentioned part of our Q3 difficulties in getting some of these opportunities closed within that window of time has been that the government has delays in their passing of their budgets each year, and that can last till spring. And then the money actually doesn't reach to our customers' accounts until approximately mid-year. And then our customers know what the priority is, and then they know what there is to work on. And they only really have four to five months to get through the purchasing process, which can be quite complex for these larger enterprise opportunities. And So I think if you look from the election results and you look at maybe the alignment, House, Senate, and the presidential side, you may see that there could be a chance to maybe accelerate some of that process, perhaps get budgets actually done on time at the end of the fiscal year in September. So I think maybe there's more positives than negatives where we're at right now on that. And I think there's also a feeling out there that there's maybe the pace of acceleration of new tech could maybe some barriers might go down there. So that we'll have to wait and see on that. And there is a ripple effect just regardless of the administration, but obviously international is important to us for our business. That has been a growing percent of our business over time. And now I think with the NATO, with uncertainty, unrest across Middle East, it does put pressure on the NATO countries to step up. And there has been pronouncements there around investments in new major equipment modernization. So I think perhaps internationally there could be some positives as well. In terms of the desktops, Most of our desktops are coming from the preclinical area of biopharma, not directly from the start. We have some, of course, that are startup NIH funded, but a lot of ours were really focused on developing accounts across the largest top 20 pharma. So I'm not sure I see a direct election correlation I could speak of in a meaningful way here today, but hope that gives you some color on your questions.

Yeah, that's helpful. And then I just, my second question on really kind of priorities across the, the desktop portfolio and where you're looking. Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

Yeah. On that one. Sorry. I didn't address that immediately here. The yeah. So we're really excited that we have a pretty fresh desktop portfolio, right? We've got four products to release just last year. Um, these are all PAT tools. They're fundamentally driven by the needs to control the process and better those outcomes. Yeah, we don't really see a change in that or a rationalization of those products. A lot of hard work is going on, as I said, to get through tests and evaluations. We mentioned that some of our Maven pipeline, now that we're calling it a couple years into that product, is starting to develop. We are talking more about GMP deployments. We are talking more about things on our multi-unit orders and opportunities within our pipeline. Really, we're heads down there trying to smartly get through evaluations and engage folks on how this can be deployed across process development and manufacturing.

Thank you. That's all from me. Our next question comes from Jacob Johnson with Stevens. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hannah Hefley, Hi, this is Hannah Hefley for Jacob. Thanks for taking the questions. On the CGT end market, you've announced a number of partnerships with hardware innovators in your space. How should we think about these relationships driving desktop growth in coming years? Is there any way to frame up any initial contributions from these relationships?

Yeah, thanks, Hannah. Certainly that area of strategic collaborations and these partnerships in the cell and gene space, but even more broadly into the biologic hardware innovators, too. There can be some near-term revenue impact, but we really believe that it creates a lot of value longer term as we get through and scale with these partners. we're working to get our technologies designed in partnered in some cases more of a co-marketing relationship with these organizations really working to get this new novel technologies developed in by our collaborators we announced solaris and tarumo and that we're actively engaged with those accounts but we're working with a handful of others that are quite exciting to us as well and really trying to get alliances there for the for the simple automated pet tools that that we provide so As you know, cell therapies really need to address costs and access, and we believe we're really directly contributing to that, and we're providing these real-time monitoring solutions, and we really don't have sampling risk on it. Ultimately, this strategy really should impact our revenue, and I mentioned in Q4, we do expect it to be helpful to us, and those really should be thought of as initial collaborator placements, initial engagements, call it the first steps with those companies, but this integration strategy could create an inflection point for us as we go, because again, it's really an ability for us to to scale out in a little more efficient way and then yeah so i think it's a it's a great strategic effort for us it's an effort we started just formally in q1 and it's already starting to bear fruit and we've become more and more convinced it's the right thing to layer on to our direct sales all right thanks um and then as it relates to desktop demand

Have you seen any changes in the competitive landscape for desktops, or do you think that this is still just largely macro-driven? And then could you update us on how consumable pull-through is trending for desktops?

Yeah, I haven't seen a change in the competitive dynamics. I mean, I think when we think of the macros and look across, definitely some encouraging signs with consumable-driven companies and organizations with some of our large tools. Peter Bates- peer set there, and I think that's a positive indicator of things kind of normalizing out but. Peter Bates- Maybe not a perfect read through up for us because we're our recurring elements of our desktops was about 10% of our total revenues in the quarter and maybe 14% over our first nine months of. Consumables are important, but the placements are incredibly needed and to grow. And so that device placement, life science instrumentation into preclinical, we've just seen those challenges with prolonged cycles with the availability of CAPEX. So I wouldn't say there's any competitive dynamic we've seen. We're not seeing anything or new surprises on that. Of course, we've got new technology, so you have to always go out and preview your worth compared to what's out there with our Maven and our Maverick, but nothing new or concerning to report there on my radar.

And from a consumable revenue perspective, recurring revenue, it's really been consistent over the last eight quarters, and our rebel utilization has remained at about half a kip per month for our active users, and our recurring revenues in total, about $6.2 million for the core, about $2 million of that was related to our desktop. We're seeing a path to being in the mid-30s as a percent of total product and service sales. A lot of that is service-driven, but also an important piece is the desktop consumables, which I mentioned is about $2 million and a quarter.

All right. Thanks. I'll leave it there.

Our final question comes from Chad Wytroski with TD Cohen. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. This is Chad on for Brendan Smith. Just on the MX-908 sort of next-gen instrument, what are the main pain points that you're seeing that would drive that replacement cycle among existing customers? And then beyond that, would the product enhancements also have the chance of expanding that market?

Yeah, thanks for the question. The next generation of our MX is certainly an exciting one for us. I mean, if you just think of our handheld devices, when we relaunched our MX908, it's now been about seven years. And we were able to have a failure of 27% between that 2018 and 2023. So good growth there. And now we have over 25% 2700 actually more than 2700 of our MX nine wage out there, so we really think it is a great opportunity to disrupt that once again and kind of bring an upgrade cycle. These customers do value outside of call it just capex refreshment cycles, which you expect to be in that seven to 10 year period right we're getting up on that now. But you can also drive some of these cycles earlier, in our opinion, by operating a step change of things. It could be size, weight, performance in terms of simplicity, workflow, user operations. We're working to do all those things. And at the same time, trying to do it with a lower cost of goods and having technology and connectivity capabilities in there to help us Patrick Corbett- Further have recurring revenue opportunities over time that we can develop on it so. Patrick Corbett- To us it's it's a it's a it's a major new release that will be coming in the next couple of years and it's absolutely one of our priority r&d projects for us and we think it should get exciting given the. Patrick Corbett- Growth we've seen over the last seven years and then and the number of placements throughout there. But then in addition, you know, I would say we're very fortunate and pleased that we have a fuller portfolio with the Red Rib Acquisition. We now have four products across that space, including our Explorer that we made in our prepared remarks that's been growing really, really nicely. So I think all of these help broaden the groups that we can get to, broaden out the number of customers that we can get to, as well as addressing those immediate replacement cycles, so.

Thanks. And then just on some of the updated commercial strategy, like are these Try Before You Buy program and approaches that you've taken from Red Wave, are these built in place today and able to be executed? Or is this going to take a few quarters to build out these technologies and transition them over to the legacy 908 devices?

Yeah, look, I mean, we're six months into the acquisition. I think we're still very excited about it. We see all sorts of synergies that we tried to articulate today. Definitely revenue synergies in addition to cost synergies. Definitely learnings that we can do to better our ability to get more efficiently at these customers. You touched on two that we think are straight out of the Red Wave playbook, if you will. Try Before You Buy, more virtual demos, a little bit into your last question as we kind of broaden with the Explorer the number of customers that can can see a need and capability requirement for it. It helps us get there. So yeah, one of the three structural adjustments that we're talking about today is really to align all of our Salesforce efforts, desktops teams, but also within our handhelds team to take advantage of such programs. And you're right, those are pre-existing for Redway products. We're going to look to see how far we can use those with MX 908 products, but importantly, making sure that we're embracing and scaling those within the 908 commercial engine for the FTIR products as we go forward. So, yeah, it will take some time. Obviously, we're six months in. I think we've made great strides on the integration. We announced some further big steps we're taking today there. But, yeah, a lot more to come.

Thanks for the questions, guys. Thank you. We have no further questions, so I'll now hand back to Kevin Knopp for any final remarks.

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