Sinclair, Inc.

quarter 2025 earnings conference call. At this time all participants run a listen-only mode. If you have any questions or comments during the presentation you may press star 1 on your phone to enter the question queue at any time and we will open the floor for your questions and comments after the presentation. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host Chris King, Vice President of Investor Relations. Sir, the floor is yours.

Thank you. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining Sinclair's second quarter 2025 earnings conference call. Joining me on the call today are Chris Ripley, our President and Chief Executive Officer, Dharinder Sahai, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Rob Weisford, our COO and President of Local Media, and for Q&A Lucy Rudershauser, our Executive Vice President. Before we begin I want to remind everyone that slides for today's earnings call are available on our website svgi.net on the events and presentation page of the investor relations portion of the site. A webcast replay will remain available on our website until our next quarterly earnings release. Certain matters discussed on this call may include forward-looking statements regarding, among other things, future operating results. Such statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results in the future could differ from those described in the forward-looking statements as a result of various important factors. Such factors have been set forth in the company's most recent reports as filed with the SEC and included in our second quarter earnings release. The company undertakes no obligation to update these forward-looking statements. Included on the call will be a discussion of non-GAAP financial measures, specifically adjusted EBITDA. This measure is not formulated in accordance with GAAP. It's not meant to replace GAAP measurements and may differ from other companies' uses or formulations. Further discussions and reconciliations of the company's non-GAAP financial measures to comparable GAAP financial measures can be found on our website. Let me now turn the call over to Chris Ripley.

Good afternoon, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Beginning on slide three, I want to introduce Narender Sahay, our new chief financial officer. Narender brings more than two decades of strategic financial leadership across multiple industries with deep expertise in capital markets, M&A, investor relations, and financial planning and analysis. His broad experience brings fresh perspective that will be invaluable as we drive our transformation strategy. Before we continue with our standard earnings call format, I would like to turn the call over to Narender to introduce himself and share his perspective on the Sinclair opportunity.

Thank you, Chris, and hello everyone. First, let me express my gratitude to you, the entire management team, and the board for entrusting me with this important responsibility. I want to particularly thank Lucy for her outstanding mentorship during my transition. I'm inheriting a tremendously capable team which speaks volumes about Lucy's excellent leadership. I am excited to join Sinclair at such pivotal time in the company's evolution. Sinclair has been a truly transformational company throughout its history. We pioneered local marketing agreements, executed the first retransmission agreement, and have consistently led next-gen broadcast development. This track record of innovation and industry leadership combined with a unique positioning as an integrated media and technology platform creates a compelling value proposition that I believe represents significant upside potential. With my financial leadership experience and engineering background, I see tremendous untapped potential in our next-gen broadcast technology development, operational improvements, and distinctive ventures portfolio. My focus will be on unlocking this value and demonstrating the multiple value drivers across our platform through strong execution. At Sinclair, the fundamentals are strong and the opportunity set is significant. I look forward to building confidence in the Sinclair story with our investment community and demonstrating our progress. For those of you who have already reached out, thank you for your support. I look forward to meeting many of you over the coming weeks and months.

Thank you, Narender.

We

couldn't be more excited to have you here and I know I speak for the entire Sinclair team when I say that we look forward to your leadership and expertise as we continue this path in the quarters and years to come. I also want to acknowledge the appointment of Conrad Clemson as our Chief Executive Officer of Edgebeam Wireless, our data casting joint venture with our broadcast peers. Conrad has several decades of leadership experience in the media and telecommunications industries and is well known for his technology innovation leadership. Most recently, he served as CEO of Eddichair, where he successfully scaled the company to a high-growth, enterprise-grade energy industry leader. As CEO of Edgebeam, Conrad will lead the continued build-out of Edgebeam's platform and operations as it continues to move aggressively to fully commercialize the highest-value business use cases for next-generation data delivery. Turning to slide four, in what was a challenging quarter amid macroeconomic uncertainty impacting the global economy, we delivered solid results with total advertising revenue coming in within our guidance range and core advertising revenue up -over-year on an as-reported basis. Our distribution revenues were below our expectations as growth from some of our larger virtual MVPDs was slower than expected. However, it is important to note that distribution revenue was up -over-year in the first half of the year and flat with year-ago levels during the second quarter. Media expenses were materially better than expected, driving adjusted EBITDA comfortably above the midpoint of our guidance range. Slide five highlights our Ventures portfolio as we continue to transfer our transformation away from our minority investment holdings and look to position the portfolio for more majority-owned assets over time. Ventures benefited from six million of cash distributions and invested 11 million in the quarter as required by our outstanding funding commitments. Ventures cash balance was 393 million at quarter end, up 39 million sequentially. On slide six, I wanted to better highlight a key acquisition that Ventures made during the first quarter that we briefly mentioned on last quarter's earnings call. In mid-March, we acquired the remaining 75% stake in digital remedy that we did not already own for approximately 30 million dollars. Digital remedy offers omni-channel media activation solutions with a focus on connected TV. As a result of the acquisition, Compulse has now rebranded as digital remedy. Digital remedy is a rule of 40 software company, defined as the sum of the company's revenue growth rate and profit margins exceeding 40%. In addition, Sinclair now comprises only approximately 40% of digital revenue's total revenue. That number is declining with new outside clients growing more rapidly. We are very pleased to have digital revenue join the Sinclair team and we look forward to continued strong growth and value creation trends from this business. On slide seven, I want to highlight the substantial asset value within Sinclair Ventures and how it supports our evolving investment strategy. Our current minority investment portfolio and cash represents over 726 million in book value as of quarter end or about $10 per share. This excludes Tennis Channel, digital remedy and other consolidated minority-owned investments. With Ventures carrying no debt, this represents significant unencumbered capital and we believe the current market value of these assets is significantly higher than the current book value. Importantly, as we pivot toward majority investments where we have greater operational control and strategic influence, these assets provide substantial monetization opportunities and capital deployment flexibility. The value we've built through our diversified approach now positions us to be more strategic and selective, focusing on investments where we can drive outcomes and create value through active management. Let me now turn it over to Rob to continue the discussion about our local

media segment. Thanks Chris and good afternoon everyone.

Beginning on slide eight, I want to focus on several important developments for our local media operations since our last call. First was the launch of four college football podcasts covering four of the biggest, most historic college programs in the country, Ohio State, Alabama, Texas and Notre Dame. In addition, we also launched a new WNBA podcast in conjunction with the league's All-Star weekend called Post Moves, which features WNBA legend, Candace Parker and Indiana Fever star, Aliyah Boston. These podcasts join our previously launched sports focus podcast that have quickly become among the most popular sports podcasts in the country. Review these podcasts and related social media as a key growth driver for segment as their popularity and advertising dollars continue to grow rapidly. However, the story does not end there. We will shortly be announcing a landmark events and media partnership with a leading sports representation and marketing agency that will include signature live events with our podcast house. These events will include a nationwide tailgate tour during the upcoming college football season, as well as an exclusive hospitality and brand activation event at the Super Bowl in February from Santa Clara. We will be producing original content and brand activations at these events, which will be distributed across our various media platforms to maximize exposure and engagement for our customers. Turning to slide nine, I'd like to take a moment to highlight our multi-cast networks, which have been delivering record growth in recent quarters. Driven by the acquisition of popular series and movies and expansive distribution growth in top 10 DMAs, these networks are poised for continued strong growth in the coming quarters. Through the May sweeps, our four networks, Charge, Comet, Roar and The Nest, had the highest -over-year coverage growth among all Nielsen-rated broadcast networks. Among total viewers in top 10 DMAs, Charge, Comet, and Roar, suggest -over-year growth of 21%, 17% and 40% respectively. Looking ahead, these multi-cast networks continue to invest in even more big hits for the upcoming television season, including Criminal Minds, Homicide, Life on the Street, Walbergers, Xena, Warrior Princess, and many other fan favorites. Lastly, from a core advertising perspective, I wanted to provide a little color on the current conditions that we are seeing. While several large categories remain hampered by macroeconomic and tariff-related uncertainty, we have started to see signs of improvements over the past several weeks. While I would still characterize our overall visibility as below historical levels, given the uncertainty, I do think several key categories have begun to show stronger demand. Now, let me turn it back over to Chris to provide a brief regulatory update.

Thanks, Rob. Turning to slide 10, Sinclair has already begun to complete several transactions, given the deregulatory approach that the industry has seen in recent months. We have already concluded the purchase of several stations for which we were providing sales and other operating services, while divesting several smaller stations, and we continue to explore and work on other M&A opportunities, including highly accretive market swaps and JSA acquisitions. Notably, our opportunities for growth and synergies have increased in the recent ruling by the 8th Circuit Court of Appeals, which vacated the antiquated SEC prohibition of owning two top four-ranked TV stations in a local market, and the recently adopted inconceivable rules that attempted to restrict our use of our multicast streams. Our industry has watched for years as our competitors grew unburdened by these types of ownership rules, so this is a long-awaited and much-welcome common-sense ruling that has unburdened us and will open up more opportunity for rational growth within the industry. We're also pleased to see multiple proceedings currently under review by the FCC, including the sunset of the industry's 1.0 spectrum, which would unlock high-value spectrum positions for next-gen data distribution business models, as well as the review of the current national ownership cap and the recent approval of several duopoly markets for broadcasters. I also think it's important to address the current state of the network-affiliate relationship. Recently, Chairman Carr sent another letter to a network questioning current practices within this relationship and opening an inquiry. This is not the first time the FCC has reviewed this relationship structure. While we have long appreciated our relationships with our network partners, we believe to allow for continued growth and viability of local journalism and broadcasters, this review of the affiliate-network relationship is needed, timely, and appropriate. As of late, the burdensome control and financial obstacles implemented or attempting to be implemented by certain networks are hampering local broadcasters' ability to serve their communities. In particular, we support a review of practices relating to affiliates being forced to enter streaming deals or excluded from entering into independent deals, oftentimes with streaming services owned by the networks themselves. Independence of local broadcasters is paramount to their ability to produce local independent journalism and provide communities with an option for different voices. As we often see, local broadcasters provide a voice not often heard on national stages and are more trusted than any other source in media. And as certain media companies continue to grow their content and distribution holdings, this review is more important than ever. Again, we welcome FCC Chairman Carr's approach towards regulatory clarity that supports both strong network partnerships and local editorial independence. As both a major station group and content creator, Sinclair believes balanced affiliate relationships are essential to serving local communities effectively. This development reinforces the fundamental value of local broadcasting and our role as trusted community partners. We continue to view the deregulatory environment in Washington as highly constructive, and we will continue to work with Chairman Carr and the rest of the FCC on the very welcomed and long overdue approach to protect local journalism across the country. Now, for the first time, let me turn the call over to Narender to walk through our financial results and guidance. Thanks, Chris.

I'll cover our financial results in three parts. First, I'll review our balance sheet, net leverage, and cash flow-related items. Second, I'll walk through our segment performance as well as consolidated revenue and adjusted EBITDA results for the quarter. And third, I'll provide our outlook for the third quarter and key financial metrics for full year 2025. Turning to slide 11, our balance sheet remains the industry's longest maturity profile, but more importantly, it positions us well to participate in what we expect to be a period of renewed M&A activity within the sector. During the second quarter, we opportunistically repurchased approximately $81 million in face value of STG's 2027 notes for $77 million, capturing immediate value. We ended the quarter with $1.8 million. Capital expenditures of $17 million were well below our guidance range, primarily reflecting project timing within the year. Our liquidity position remains strong with a fully undrawn $650 million revolver and consolidated cash of over $616 million, including approximately $224 million at STG and nearly $393 million at Ventures. This financial strength, combined with no meaningful debt maturities until the end of 2029, gives us significant optionality. On slide 12, we highlight our second quarter segment results. Local media and tennis channels delivered adjusted EBITDA of $99 million and $13 million, respectively, well above the midpoint of our guidance ranges. In the local media segment, distribution revenue of $380 million was 1% below the prior year quarter and came in slightly below our expectations, largely driven by lower than expected subscriber growth for virtual MVPDs. Note that distribution revenue is still up 1% for the first half of 2025 compared to the prior year, as Chris referenced earlier. Core advertising revenue of $272 million was within our guidance range, but was down by .7% year over year on as-reported basis as macroeconomic and tariff-related pressures continued to weigh on certain key categories. Media expenses of $542 million were $23 million favorable to the low end of our guidance range, driven by cost savings resulting from lower sales-related and employee costs from open positions, deferred timing on certain initiatives, and successful resolution of various outstanding FCC matters during the quarter, which allowed us to reverse approximately $13 million in previously accrued expenses. However, please note that only $3 million of these reversals are favorably impacting adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. Dennis Channel delivered total revenue of $68 million, up 1% versus the prior year quarter, but below our guidance driven by softer advertising trends. Adjusted EBITDA of $13 million was at the high end of our guidance range. Turning to slide 13, consolidated media revenue of $777 million came in a touch below our guidance range, primarily due to softer than anticipated distribution revenue driven by slower than anticipated virtual MVPD growth. Year over year performance reflects the expected industry dynamics in a non-political year. Media revenue declined $42 million versus the prior year, driven by the expected reduction in political advertising revenue in this non-election year, and the absence of material diamond management fees. However, core advertising revenue grew $13 million year over year on an as-reported basis, which includes contribution from our remedy acquisition. Note that digital remedy, the now combined Compulse and digital remedy businesses recorded $38 million of revenue and $7 million of adjusted EBITDA in the second quarter. Distribution revenue for the quarter was essentially flat year over year as rate increases offset subscriber churn. Turning to slide 14, consolidated adjusted EBITDA of $103 million exceeded the midpoint of our guidance range. This outperformance was driven by lower than anticipated media expenses due to cost savings and reversal of prior FCC expense accruals as noted earlier in segment results. As compared to last year, adjusted EBITDA declined by $55 million, reflecting expected impact of $42 million in lower media revenue, combined with $11 million in higher media expenses, driven by network programming fee increases, production costs, and annual compensation adjustments. Once again, please note the media expenses do not reflect the benefit of prior period reversals of certain expense accruals related to FCC matters. On slide 15, we introduce our detailed third quarter 2025 guidance. Note that our guidance does not incorporate any anticipated or pending M&A activity. Consolidated media revenue of $744 million to $768 million reflects the anticipated year over decline in political advertising revenue as we cycle against the strong 2024 election year. Core advertising revenue is expected to be in the range of $303 million to $314 million as specific categories remain pressured, although as Rob noted earlier, we are seeing some signs of stabilization. Distribution revenue is expected to be modestly lower at the midpoint of our range versus prior year, driven by several factors. One, traditional MBPD subscriber churn continues, though industry-wide trends appear to be moderating. Note that while we are encouraged by improving churn metrics announced by our largest MBPDs, we have not yet seen these improvements translate into our subscriber numbers, though we expect to see some improvement in the coming quarters. Partial offset provided by continued subscriber growth at virtual MBPDs, albeit at a slower rate and rate increases later in the quarter. Keep in mind, we have a negative impact from our completed divestiture of 4 markets to ring broadcasting, which closed in July. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA guidance of $71 million to $93 million reflects these revenue dynamics while maintaining operational excellence and cost discipline. Turning to slide 16, we present our full year 2025 guidance for key financial metrics. Two things to note here. Number one, the most notable change is that we have substantially reduced our cash tax expense guidance to $46 million at the midpoint, which is a $74 million improvement from our guidance provided last quarter. This favorable revision is primarily driven by significantly lower forecasted federal tax payables resulting from the passage of the one big beautiful bill act in July. And number two, just as a reminder, net interest expense includes $68 million of refinancing fees and expenses that were expensed in the first quarter when we completed our comprehensive debt refinancing. With that, let me now turn the call back to Chris for closing remarks before we open the call to Q&A.

Thanks, Narender. Turning to slide 18 to wrap up the quarter with our key takeaways. We delivered solid financial results with adjusted EBITDA within guidance and successfully repurchased $81 million of our 2027 notes while reducing our full year cash items by $74 million. We brought in a seasoned financial executive in our new CFO and announced Conrad Clemson as CEO of Edgememe Wireless, positioning us well for our transformation strategy. Our content initiatives continue gaining momentum. Digital remedy is driving growth as a consolidated asset. Our multicast networks delivered record growth and AMP media expanded with five new sports covering major college programs and the WNBA. Most importantly, the regulatory environment continues to provide encouraging tailwinds for future growth opportunities. All in all, we're very well positioned for continued progress in the quarters ahead. Thank you very much for joining us today and your interest in Sinclair. Rob, Narender and I will now take your questions.

Certainly, everyone at this time will be conducting a question and answer session. If you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone at this time. We do ask that while posing your question, please pick up your handset if you're listening on speakerphone to provide optimum sound quality. Once again, if you have any questions or comments, please press star one on your phone. Your first question is coming from Dan Kernos from Benchmark. Your line is live.

Yeah, thanks. Good afternoon. Welcome, Narender, to the party. Just to, Chris, appreciate the regulatory commentary. I mean, obviously, we've got a lot of news. We'll see what happens in the September meeting. You guys have positioned yourselves, it seems more likely to be active on the buyer side. You know, Narender talked a little bit about balance sheet flexibility. I mean, how aggressive do you think that you can get and do you think you're going to get any remedies on, you know, the network side which you called out? And then separately, just additional color on what happens with the virtual distributor. Does that mean that your sub-decline came in a little bit worse than you anticipated because obviously the, and I know you're on the 90-day lag with traditionals, but it sounded like sub-trends were getting better

there. So I'm just calling there over. Yeah, thanks, Dan. So I'll answer the second question first. Look, I think we're confident the market trends are working in our favor in terms of reverse compensation. And you can see, you know, over the years that, you know, we've been able to manage down increases at a steady rate. And we're starting to see, you know, decreases in certain of our reverse compensation to networks. And so, you know, you couple that with the recent launches, two networks recently launching DTC services. That would be, you know, ESPN and Fox One. And, you know, I think that that just bolsters our position, our negotiating position, because, you know, I think it's, there's an increasing awareness within the industry and quite frankly the FCC that now that exclusivity is essentially gone from the network affiliate relationship, that the networks are really grossly overpaid. And, you know, that's why we continue to believe that we will do better and probably should do probably even better than we will do. But on your other question around subscriber trends, yeah, a big virtual MBPD in second quarter actually lost subs quarter over quarter in a very significant way. Now, we do think there'll be a big bump coming back up for football. As we see this trend within the virtual space, given that it's a month to month program where people are coming in and out of the virtual space for the football season in a more exaggerated way. Now that they're the space is getting bigger, is a bigger part of the overall ecosystem.

Thank

you. Your next question is coming from Stephen Cahill from Wells Fargo. Your line is live.

Yeah, thank you. Welcome to broadcast. Thank you. A few questions for me. So maybe Chris, you know, you all have a lot of deals here and you said there's a lot of opportunity. Can you just help us with what the accretion is from the thing you've announced so far? I think there's a lot of options and duopolies in there. You know, I think we've thought about these as maybe being sort of double digit million dollars accretive to EVITA. So just want to know if there was any outlook on the contribution there. And then to follow up on the retrans question, I think you have guidance for mid single digit net growth, which ends in 2025. I think that's a two year CAGR. You know, based on what you're seeing in sub declines and first comp, is there any risk to that guidance? And then maybe last little surprise, the C-Core ad's not better in Q3 with the easier comp. Wondering if you have kind of green shoots yet in CORE or if it's still pretty choppy out there. Thank you.

All right. Well, I'll let Rob address the last question around CORE, but I will hit your first two before that. And, you know, on the M&A front, I think it's easiest to like, just to give you scope here. And I do think, as I mentioned in my comments, very, very important and, you know, very positive news that the 8th Circuit overturned the 2 big 4 rule. I think that really accelerates the expected path of regulation because the expected outcome was a remand to the FCC. And then we could have been, you know, waiting for another year for that process to play out. But now we're, you know, within 90 days of operating in a world where there is no more 2 big 4 prohibition. And what I think gets less notoriety is that the multi-caste restrictions that were placed on the industry last year were overturned immediately. And so both are very, very significant and they're very near term relief items. And so you've seen us already be active. We've closed one station swap, four station sales, two new station service agreements. But there's the pipeline's pretty robust and it's going to accelerate here, especially with these recent rulings. So we have 18 more JSA buy-ins planned in the pipe and we're, you know, busy working on other transactions, like I mentioned, station swaps, et cetera. So probably the easiest way to think about all of the JSA activity, which you're going to see more coming in the near future, is that they will contribute tens of millions of dollars of additional EBITDA and it will be a very small purchase price. So in terms of purchase multiple, it would be far less than one times purchase multiple in terms of impact. And it will be tens of millions of dollars of benefit. In terms of the 23 to 25 kegger, we are guiding now to low single digits on the 23 to 25 re-trans kegger. And I'll turn it over to Rob to talk more about your core ad question.

Hey Steve, within the current environment, it's still tough right now. Last week with the jobs announcement as well. But we are coarsely optimistic as we move through the summer months into September with the return of college football and NFL. We're seeing much larger buys coming down the pipeline. We're seeing tier two automotive activating as well. So on a pull forward, we saw the tier ones remain strong, but we rely on tier two and tier three. And we're starting to see that money flowing. So even though the environment remains tough, we are optimistic based upon our activity we've seen. And then it follows coming out of September into the fall with the NBA joining NBC as well. So it's well stocked. If you saw the updates from the networks, they had double digit increases on their sports sales, which will put pressure and inventory coming back to local broadcast.

And I just want to emphasize the point there because I think there's a little bit of misunderstanding within the marketplace about auto. We definitely saw a tariff induced weakness within auto, but national players didn't necessarily see that. And that's what Rob is referring to. So there was this pull forward and demand created by the fear of tariffs increasing prices. That didn't really affect OEM advertising, but it did affect tier two and tier three. So down to the dealers, the uncertainty caused them to reduce and they had demand just walking in the door. So the need to advertise was not that acute. We see that unwinding here as it becomes more certain what the future is. And we don't actually have this pull forward of demand hitting the dealers' floors anymore. So we're seeing signs of that trend unwinding.

Thank you all for the call.

Thank you. Your next question is coming from Benjamin Saff from Deutsche Bank. Your line is live.

Good afternoon. Thanks for the question. I wanted to ask first on guidance. It sounds like the 3Q guide has some moving pieces from asset sales. I'm wondering if you can help us parse out what that is and then appreciate all the color on the sum of the parts for ventures. We'd love if you guys could talk about your process for evaluating if the venture's asset might make sense to monetize. Thank you.

Yeah, so look on the guide, I think the most important thing that was pointed out in the script was the sale of four stations. So there was a decent amount of expense that rolled through. It closed in July. Also, it closed in March, so it did affect Q2, but it will affect Q3. There is digital remedy as well now in the numbers adding expense and revenue. If you want to get more specific, we can follow up to walk you through some of those numbers. Ben, can you repeat your second question? I think it was on ventures. Is that right?

Yeah, just curious how you guys go about evaluating if a venture's asset might make sense to monetize in the future.

Yeah, so our core assets within ventures are tennis channel and digital remedy. Both we are very bullish on their future growth opportunities. Tennis channel in particular with new leadership under Jeff Blackburn from Amazon. And digital remedy now combined with the legacy Compulse business is going to really hit its stride in a market that's growing very fast and with a product offering that's best of class. And then we're looking to add additional portfolio companies, as I mentioned, that we're definitely factoring in or favoring quality over speed here in adding additional portfolio companies. But the rest of the assets, which on this call we highlighted have a book value of $726 million. We're ultimately looking to monetize all of those. Obviously a big chunk of the $726 million is already cashed, $393 million. But that leaves about $340 million or $30 or $40 million of book value that needs to be monetized. And there will be some additional monetizations in that portfolio later in that back half of this year. So there's already some monetizations there in the works. But I would say none of those are long-term holds except for the Valley stake. Within that group, the Valley stake is mark to market based on its current -the-counter pink sheets trading price. We do not think that thinly traded price is reflective of its true value. And in fact, Valley just recently did a very strategic transaction with Intralot in Europe earlier, about three, four weeks ago, that we think was highly accretive to the overall Valley story. And we're looking forward to many more catalysts here for Valley. So we think the growth opportunities within that position are significant. And so that's the only one that really, for now, we're not thinking there's going to be a near-term monetization event or opportunity.

Ben, hi, this is Narendra here. Let me just take a crack at addressing two items of what's baked into the guide. Digital remedy, you should not expect any material changes in Q3 to what we disclosed in Q2 in terms of the contribution. But keep in mind that there is a piece of compulse built into it. All of that is due to the acquisition. And number two, on the sale of stations to Rincon, the major impact you saw, and I called out in my prepared remarks, was on the distribution revenue. So if you look at the -over-quarter reduction or sequential reduction in distribution, I would say nearly half of that is due to Rincon. So hopefully that adds some color to what's in the guide.

Okay, yeah, that's really helpful. Thank you both.

Thank you. That concludes our Q&A session. I will now hand the conference back to Chris Ripley for closing remarks. Please go ahead.

Once again, thank you for joining us on today's call. To the extent you have any questions, please feel free to reach out to us directly.

Thank you. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation.