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8/4/2022
Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. At this time, we would like to welcome everyone to UltraPAR's second quarter 22 results conference call. We also have a simultaneous webcast that may be accessed through Ultrapar's website at ri.ultra.com.br and the MZIQ platform. Please feel free to flip through the slides during the conference call. The presentation will be conducted by Mr. Rodrigo Pizzinatto, Ultrapar's Chief Financial and Investor Relations Officer. At the Q&A session, we will have Mr. Marcos Lutz, Ultrapar CEO, Mr. Tabajara Bertelli, Ultragaza CEO, Mr. Decio Amaral, Ultracargo CEO, and Leonardo Linden, Ipiranga's Chief Executive Officer. We would like to inform you that this event is being recorded and all participants will be in listen-only mode during the company presentation. After the remarks are completed, there will be a question and answer session, at which time further instructions will be given. Should any participant require assistance during this call, please press star zero to reach the operator. We remind you that Participacoes S.A. »: Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Under the safe harbor of securities litigation are based on beliefs and assumptions of ultrapart management and on information currently available to the company. They involve risks, uncertainties, and assumptions as they relate to future events and depend on circumstances that may or may not occur in the future. Investors should understand that general economic conditions, industry conditions, and other operating factors could also affect the future results of ultrapart and Lee, two results that differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements. I will now turn the conference over to Mr. Rodrigo Pizzinatto, who will begin the conference. Mr. Pizzinatto, you may proceed, sir.
Good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to be here once more to talk about UltraPARTS results. And starting off with slide two, I'd like to highlight one important topic on the earnings report related to our divestments. Due to the signing of the sales agreements of Extra Pharma and Occitano, we have classified these companies as assets and liabilities held for sale as of December 2021, and therefore as discontinued operations. Our financial statements reflect this classification. On April 1st, we concluded the sale of Occitano and as a result, Occitano is no longer part of Ultrapart's results from the second quarter of 2022 onwards. The sale of Extrafama, as you might have seen, was concluded on August 1st, 2022 and its results are shown as discontinued operations. Both the earnings released in this presentation consider the company's pro forma consolidated information, that is, UltraPars data comprise the sum of continuing and discontinued operations. Well, now moving forward to slide 3 to talk about UltraPars consolidated results. As you can see in the chart in the upper left side, our recurring EBITDA from continuing operations totaled R$1,103,000,000 in the second quarter of 2022, 131% higher than that of the second quarter of 2021, driven by improved results from the three businesses. Ebitda totaled R$1,119,000,000, 45% higher than the EBITDA of the second quarter of 2021, which still had Occitanus results. Ultrapares Net Income in the second quarter was R$460,000,000, R$478,000,000 above, The net income of the second quarter of 21 mainly as a result of the improved EBITDA of continuing operations of the capital gain from the sale of Occitano amounting to 289 million reais and the extra farmers impairment of 395 million reais registered in the second quarter of 21. These effects were partially offset by higher financial expenses, which is mainly due to the one-off negative result of R$272 million of mark-to-market of hedges in the second quarter of 22 compared to the one-off positive result of the R$65 million in the second quarter of 21. Investments from continuing operations total for R$107 million in the second quarter of 22 29% above that of the second quarter of 21, mainly due to greater investments in Ipiranga, partially offset by lower investments in Nutracargo and Nutragas. Including Extra Pharma, total capex was R$412 million. We registered an operating cash generation of R$376 million in the quarter, compared to R$1,150,000 in the second quarter of 21. The lower cash generation resulted from working capital investments driven by increases in fuel prices, despite the higher EBITDA. Moving now to slide number four to talk about our liability management. We ended the quarter with a net debt of R$8.2 billion, a reduction of R$5.3 billion compared to the net debt of March 2022. The reduction is mainly explained by the initial payment of the sale of Occitano, a net amount of R$ 5.7 billion, already discounting the existing cash in Occitano at the end of March, partially offset by the consumption of cash with the working capital that I have just mentioned. Our leverage went from 3.1 times in March 2022 to 2.2 times in June 2022 due to the reduction in debt that I just explained and to the EBITDA growth from continuing operations. The initial payment of the sale of Occitano also allowed us to repurchase $600 million of UltraPars 2026 and 2029 notes, our most costly debt, thus allowing a lower debt carrying cost. In addition, as part of the extensive review of the debt and investment profile that we have been carrying out in the last 18 months, I would like to highlight the raising of R$1 billion in 10-year CRA certificates, which are tax-incentive local bonds, at a swapped cost of 104.8% of the CDI rate, which increased our debt duration. This extensive review with tender offers, prepayments, and new issuances allowed us to reduce our average debt costs from CDI plus 0.5% to CDI minus 0.5% in the last 12 months. I'd also like to highlight that these June figures do not yet include the final payment of $150 million related to the sale of Occitano, which will be received in April 2024, as well as the amount related to the sale of Extrafarma. Now moving to slide number five to talk about UltraGas. The volume of LPG sold in the second quarter was 3% lower than that of the second quarter of 21 due to the 6% reduction in the bottled segment on the back of lower market demand influenced by LPG price hikes during the last 12 months. The bulk segment on the other side increased by 3% in the quarter with higher sales mainly to the commercial and services segment. Ultragaz SG&A in the second quarter of 22 increased 29% year-over-year due to the higher personnel expenses, mainly collective bargaining agreements and increased variable compensation, which is aligned with the company's results growth, in addition to higher provision for doubtful accounts and marketing expenses. Ultragaz EBITDA totaled R$ 261 million, 91% higher than that of the second quarter of 21. These increases mainly explained by the weaker comparison basis of the second quarter of 21, which was impacted by the consecutive cost increases in LPG in that period, as well as due to improved profitability in the second quarter of 22, resulting from initiatives to improve efficiency and productivity implemented over the last month. These effects were partially offset by increased expenses and lower sales volume. For this third quarter, we expect similar results to those of the second quarter of 22. Moving on to the next slide, slide number six, to talk about another great quarter of Ultra Carlo. The company's average install capacity reached 955,000 cubic meters in the second quarter of 2022, an 11% growth year-over-year on the back of the start-up of operations of the Vila do Conde terminal in December 2021, and the expansions in tank capacity implemented in the Itaqui terminal over the last 12 months. Ultracargos Net Revenues total R$ 217 million in the second quarter, 23% higher than that of the second quarter of 21, led by higher cubic meters sold due to the capacity expansions I just mentioned and contractual readjustments. Combined costs and expenses were 18% higher than those in the second quarter of 2021, mainly impacted by costs and expenses of the Vila do Conde terminal, which started operations in December 2021 and accounted for almost half of this increase. Due to higher depreciation costs arising from capacity expansions and investments made during the last 12 months, and due to effects of inflation over personnel and inputs which were offset by productivity and efficiency gains over the second quarter of 22. Ultracargo Zebedar reached a new record level of R$130 million in the second quarter, 29% higher than that of the second quarter of 21, resulting from the expansions with profitability gains, contractual readjustments, as well as productivity and efficiency gains. Abda Margin also reached a record level of 60% in the second quarter of 2022, three percentage points above that of the second quarter of 2021. For this current quarter, we expect Ultracargo's good operating performance to continue at similar levels to those seen in the last two quarters. And to conclude this presentation, moving on to slide 7 to talk about Ipiranga's results. Volume sold increased by 1% over the second quarter of 2021, with a 1% growth both in the auto cycle and diesel segment, influenced by a decision to reduce sales in the spot market. We ended the second quarter of 2022 with a network of 7,010 service stations, 121 less than that of the first quarter of 2022, which is aligned to our strategy of managing low-potential legacy stations mentioned by Linden in the Ultra Day, our investors' day. A total of 101 stations were opened and 222 were closed during the quarter. The average volume contribution of the new service stations is 321 cubic meters per month, while the closed ones had average volumes of 6 cubic meters per month. In addition, we ended the second quarter of 22 with 1,782 AM-PM stores and same-store sales growth of 17% compared to the second quarter of 21. Ipiranga's SG&A increased 31% in the quarter due to four main factors. Increased personnel expenses due to collective bargaining agreements and increased variable compensation, which is aligned with the results growth. Freight affected by the diesel price increases. A MPM company operated stores which increased from 101 units in 2021 to 260 units in the second quarter of 22. And lower reversals of provisions for adult flow accounts. The other operating results line total negative R$130 million in the second quarter of 2022, down to R$104 million compared to the second quarter of 2021, mainly due to higher expenses with carbon tax credits and lower amount of extemporaneous tax credits recorded. The disposal of assets line, on the other hand, total R$53 million in the quarter as a result of the sale of 12 real estate assets. Ipiranga's EBITDA totaled R$840 million in the quarter, 99% higher than that of the second quarter of 2021. Recurring EBITDA was R$754 million, 157% higher than the second quarter of 2021 as a result of improved margins and higher sales volume despite increased SG&A and expenses with the carbon tax credit. Ipiranga's recurring EBITDA margin was R$134 per cubic meter compared to R$52 per cubic meter in the second quarter of 2021 and R$110 per cubic meter in the first quarter of 2022, an evolution supported by the ongoing results recovery plan as well as by market conditions. For the current quarter, volumes are expected to be seasonally stronger, however, with margins under more pressure when compared with the first half of 2022. There was an inventory loss during July that resulted from the reduced ICMS tax rate and the gasoline price reductions announced and implemented by Petrobras. And with that, I now conclude my presentation. I appreciate your interest and attention and let's now move on to the Q&A session. And starting this quarter, we will have the CEOs of our three main businesses also participating in the Q&A session. So Marcos, Linden, Tabajara and Decio and I are available now to answer your questions. Thank you very much.
The floor is now open for questions and answers, only for investors and analysts. Should you have a question, please press star 1 on your phones. If at any point your question has been answered, You can withdraw from the queue by pressing star 2. Questions will be taken in the order they are received. We ask you when you pose your question to pick up your handset to provide optimum sound quality. Please hold while we pool for questions. If you are participating through the webcast, please click on question to the host to send your question to the company executives. Our first question is from Vicente Falanga from Bradesco BBI. You may proceed, sir. Good morning, Lucas and Good morning to everybody from ULTRA. We have two questions. You have had a significant improvement in Ipiranga in this second quarter. If you could summarize in your opinion what this improvement is due to. Is it to more mature sourcing strategies slash commercial strategies and resale? If there's something that could explain this enhancement that you would like to underscore secondly from the viewpoint of business and presuming an accommodation in terms of the price of commodities that we have observed Perhaps this will strengthen the price of fuel, which is your viewpoint. How will this impact the distribution business? In our vision, this would be something benign. It would perhaps offset the competitive environment and release working capital. I would like to know if your interpretation is the same. Thank you. Vicente, once again. This is Marcos. Well, what has happened in the past is the following. We're carrying out in the company with all of the executives in the room working with several variables that together have a different impact on the results of the company. It's very difficult to underscore a single theme like pricing. We had to mature very quickly in pricing. but it is very difficult to highlight a single theme that would be responsible for transforming our results. It's the sum of multiple activities that are underway. As we mentioned in the past, the year of 2022 was a year for operational enhancements and S.A. »: Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. and the rest of the participants. Thank you. Participacoes S.A. »: Thank you very much. Our next question. is from Gabriel Baja from Citibank. You may proceed, Gabriel. Can you hear me? Yes, we can. Thank you for taking my question. I have two points. Making the most that you have Tabashara and others from the team and the Consortium of Ultragas and Supergasbras. This is a good opportunity to understand what it could end up being and what it will represent in terms of market share. If this could turn into results for the company in the short and medium term and impact the pipeline of the operation, when will we begin to see results in this consortium in the near future? The second point, perhaps for Linden, There was a drop in the figures for fuel, but an increase in the volumes of Ipiranga. Is there a process of cleansing out of the network that is still underway? If you could speak about the cleansing of this network and if this process is going to be ongoing until you have a drop in the number of gas stations. And which is the end result of this process? What is it that you want to sell in terms of gallons for different regions? I think this would be very interesting to understand. Thank you. Well, Gabriel, I will begin with the Ultragas Consortium. You're following up on this process and in terms of Fulvius Tomelin Fulvius Tomelin This is linked directly with the company and we observe an environment of transformation, a streamlining of our infrastructure especially when it comes to LPG. We have seen other projects in the market and all of these projects are at the same level. We look upon this very positively with very good eyes. What we imagine is a greater level of efficiency. This, of course, has nothing to do with the competitiveness in the market, but with market share. And we want to have a superior efficiency. This would be very positive. We're going to follow up on what is happening with CADI, the antitrust agency. And we do have a very positive outlook for this project. Gabriel, good morning, and good morning to all of you. First of all, it's important to state that the cleaning out of the gas stations is something natural for the sector. It has always taken place. We mentioned this in Ultra Day, and I mentioned specifically that we had a group of 15% that were low potential gas stations that merited special attention. S.A. »: Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. We're working on this with a vision to bring about quality for the network. We're working with 320 cubic meters as an average. If you look at our share background in the last quarter, In the Ipiranga banner network, we grow 10% in volume and there's a drop of 40% in the white banner. So the work that is being carried out is to look upon the network, to look at those low potential gas stations, to enhance them, to invest in quality, to enhance the quality of the business as a whole. Thank you. Our next question is from Tiago Duarchi from BTG Pactual. You may proceed, sir. Good morning. Thank you for taking my question. I would like to lock down the discussion speaking about this cleansing of the gas stations and streamlining of the network and speak from the viewpoint of the market and competition. When we look at the volumes in the quarter vis-à-vis the first quarter, there is a gain of share in diesel but a loss of share in the auto cycle. So I would like to hear your comments on the competitive dynamic. We're aware that this was a rather volatile quarter with opening and closures of import windows. Therefore, if you could comment on this competitive dynamic in these two segments, diesel and the auto cycle, and how this converses with the network optimization process, the impression that we are under is that the net effect of all of this is somewhat controversial. You gain share in one segment, lose share in another segment with that accelerated process of eliminating the low potential gas station. So which is the dynamic of this for origination? I think it's important. Chago. Let's begin. First of all, volume doesn't have a direct relationship with number of gas stations. Once again, we work on a process of network enhancement. We will have a greater volume, possibly with a lower number of gas stations. Now, lately, And because of all of this supply dynamic in the Brazilian market, it has been very important to look at the business based on segments, the spot business, the consumption business, the white banners and our gas stations with banners. In fact, we do have a loss in the auto cycle. But as mentioned previously, there is a drop of sales of 36% in the second quarter of 22 vis-a-vis the second quarter of 21, concentrated in the spot market with the white banners, while our network has had a growth of 10%. Now, diesel... All of the dynamic that we had during the second quarter and the work carried out by the company from the viewpoint of supply imports to supply its channels, I think was a positive performance. Despite this in the spot market, we did reduce our sales. In the uncontracted market, we had a decrease and this is one of our strategies. These are discussions that we need to separate here. We're going to see how to clean out the network, rationalize the network, but this should have very little impact on our market share. These are businesses that we're removing from the network that do not contribute with market share. Their market share is close to zero. Whilst when you work towards having a strengthened network, theoretically, the market share should improve. Our segment, our spot segment supply to the white banner gas stations. We have eliminated some of these on purpose. The same happened in the consumption spot market while we invested on our own banner with a guarantee of supply. Oh, thank you very much. And simply a follow up in a figure that you gave us in the previous answer, you referred to 15% of your base that has room to be cleaned out or eliminated because of a low productivity. We're referring to 15% of the total base, that is, of 7,000 gas stations. Does this calculation make sense? Yes, up to 15%. Remember, we have a group of 15%, and this is a characteristic not only for Ipiranga, but of the sector itself. and we have earmarked these 15% because of the slow business to work on to recover or to eliminate. These are businesses with an extremely low impact on volume. Thank you, that's very clear. Our next question is from Bruno. Montanari from Morgan Stanley. You may proceed, sir. Good morning and thank you for taking our questions. I will make the most of Linden's presence here. If you could speak about the status of some initiatives mentioned that Ultra Day, your enhancement of the pricing strategy, a more robust trading structure, more engagement with your franchisee network. All of these are part of the evolution of these items, and this would be interesting. And a quick follow-up, when Rodrigo spoke about volume of the gas stations that were eliminated, I did not understand this very clearly. The second question, that decision of the government What will happen at the other end? Will this represent a lower price for the consumer or will this allow you to increase your margins? Thank you very much. Thank you, Bruno. Let's begin. First, the shortest answer, Rodrigo referred to six cubic meters. In practice, this is zero. Secondly, Regarding that space, and I'm going to refer to Ultra Day once again that you followed up on, we spoke as an evolution pillar that we would have four pillars for action, improving our pricing intelligence, logistics. The third was supply and trading very broadly, and fourth, management and engagement of the network. Now, very generally, I'm very satisfied with the strides that we have made in terms of pricing and the network engagement. We have completely changed our pricing model. We have a team devoted to this, carrying out excellent work, accessing price intelligence, and evidently Pricing in a more consistent, coherent fashion, something that is more competitive. And I'm quite satisfied with the strides we have made in terms of the network engagement. We have had a significant evolution during the last months because of the consistency and in our relationship with resellers. Simply to illustrate this, from 26 states in Brazil, I have visited 20, I'm missing only 6, and I have had a direct contact with the sellers, I'm listening to what is happening in their environments without a filter, and I'm extremely satisfied with the progress we have made. We still have opportunities in pricing and in our value proposal for sellers, but we have had a good evolution. The other two pillars are advancing more slowly in logistics at Ultra Day. We mentioned that our focus were the logistic process, not the infrastructure. We need to enhance the processes. We have been working on some processes that are being revisited. And in terms of supply and trading, we have evolved in terms of our trading structure. And it's a process of learning because of the change in supply in the country, the change in the model. There's a learning curve. and we are in a process of better defining our own processes and supply strategies. In the last quarter, we carried out excellent work with important cornerstones in supply. We had a price increase. We had fiscal exemption. We had a deal with several other points, and I think we did very well, but there's still room to improve. Basically, this is it. Two pillars doing very well and two pillars with a slower development. I'll give the floor to Marcos. Well, first of all, In practice, we have transferred the increases to our prices and we have a virtual product that we sell to the market. Now, There is a process of evolution and we have a very intelligent process that is very good. It's worthwhile betting on this mechanism and working on this to become motivated and to work with that component that is fueling the matrix. We have had multiple adjustments, something we have just done. In a rather tempestive fashion, but what we have in practice is greater liquidity in the sector. There is no obligation of buying, there is no obligation for the sellers at present, and the price, because of a lack of liquidity, increased excessively. Fulvius Tomelin Fulvius Tomelin This shouldn't be looked upon as a forecast for the future, but instead a lesson in a learning process that we are undergoing in this new journey. We have to make this mechanism more sophisticated, drafted better, so we will not have this enormous concession towards liquidity. Thank you. Thank you very much. Our next question is from Monique Greco from Itaú BBA. You may proceed, ma'am. Good morning. Good day. Thank you for the presentation and for taking the questions. You have already remarked on a drop of sales in the white banner spa markets, a relevant drop. Did this also happen in B2B? And how has this positioning reflected on your export decisions during the quarter? Did this stance impact your decision to export as part of supply? And if you could speak about your hedging in these exports. I will go on to a second question. We see a relevant highlight in the second quarter I'm curious and would like to know if you could share how much of these margin gains that you had in the second quarter are structural gains reflecting an advance in that turnaround process that you have just remarked on. Thank you. Those are my questions. Very well, Monique. I have written down the questions. If I forget anything, please remind me. The spot in the B2B, yes, there is an important volume of spot, especially in the TRE segment. And at a certain point, Well, the quarter was highly dynamic and several things impacted our decisions during the quarter. At a certain point, we were concerned with supply. Our priority was our network and, of course, We ended up changing the management for the uncontracted volumes. And uncontracted volumes are contracts with Petrobras or part of our imports. Where we should have that opportunistic value in the value chain now, especially in the TRE segment. This is how it operates, and we did reduce sales considerably, as well as in the white banner segment. There's a drop of 36% between the first quarter and the second, and in TER, 18% drop. Now, the supply model for Brazil with an important share of imported products leads you to looking upon your business in a different way. And of course, we will have to have different business policies for the contracted and uncontracted markets. This is natural for the market. It has nothing to do with supply, basically. The supply is not part of that equation. When it comes to hedge, our policy is very simple. We hedge imported products to allow for a float. We undo the hedge when we use the product in the domestic market. and the third comment, if you could remind me please. Your margin gains and how much you can foresee that these will be structural gains in that turnaround process you are putting in place. Once again, The gain and loss of inventories in this sector is part of the business that's going to happen. We have to guarantee that we work with the company to deal properly with these events in the second quarter. And of course, there was a market dynamic that favored us. But we did have to deal both with positive and negative effects, increase of prices at Petrobras, an imported product with a closed quality, and of course the tax exception. So we were faced with gains and losses here. We can't speak about details about our margin here, but what we're working on is to have a business that is ever more stable, where we can capture the opportunities that we're developing in our process of recovering Ipiranga. I don't know if Rodrigo would like to add something. I think it has been well addressed. Well, thank you. Thank you, everybody, for the answers. Our next question is from Leonardo Marconjis from Bank of America. You may proceed, Leonardo. Good day. Thank you for taking my questions. My first question is also about Ipiranga. We have observed that you're always in contact with your sellers and the Outlook is having a very good relationship with the gas stations, which are the main demands of gas station owners, both of the White Banners and Ipiranga when it comes to renewing the contract. This is the first question. My second question is about Ultragas. The division reported a very strong margin I would like to understand the pricing dynamic in this quarter to see how much of this margin gain comes from better margins because of your innovations. If you allow me a third question. I would like to understand how advanced your initiatives are of Sud Conecta discussed at ULTRA-D and which is the dynamic of the fuel import market now that Petrobras has increased the use of utilization of its refineries. Thank you. Thank you, Leonardo. Let's begin with the first question. You were asking about the requests or demands from sellers and Owners and Contracts and much more. Well, this did not come out, but the entire board of Ipiranga has requested that we be very close to the recovery process. Now, the demands are consistent and competitive when it comes to our value proposition. Sellers are an extension of our business. They offer to consumers what we develop in-house. They want to have a competitive value proposition, good offers, a good brand, a good convenience store, tools that will help them to market their product at their respective end. There's another point, more recently it has become more relevant, it's the issue of supply. Obviously, supply is one of the strong points for Ipiranga because of the structure that we have. A hundred bases disseminated through the country and the capacity to supply the market as a whole. What is also important is consistency. Consistency in our policies, in our work. It's very basic. Palladino Palladino Palladino Palladino We have a consistent dynamic. And the last point is proximity, closeness. And this is a characteristic of Ipiranga. Ipiranga has always been very close to its resellers, and we're not going to elude or avoid this characteristic, to be close, to be connected. To understand what is happening in the environment of the gas station, understand the demands of our partners. All of this is important. They need to feel that safety, that Ipiranga is very close to them. Very well, I will give the floor to Tabachara for the second part of the question. Regarding the question of the present status of ultragas, Well, I think you have an indication of the answer already. This quarter was a quarter where we had a recurrent result. There was nothing extraordinary. And we observed that evolution. And that's what we have been speaking about in the last few days at Ultra Day. This is a long-term construction. And in the last few years, We continue to see this leadership, a new culture. We launched a new brand last year with a different positioning for the company and we have been able to materialize the fronts where we are closer to the client. Innovation, for example, and for the entrepreneurial segment, and also working specially with residential clients with a digital journey. There's still a great deal to be done. But with this balance, we have greater proximity with the clients with different solutions. And we do have some efficiency fronts that we mentioned at the beginning. Altogether, they're allowing for the evolution, the positive evolution we observed in the second quarter. Leonardo, thank you for the question. Well, our projects of Sud Conecta and our proximity projects, this is working well at all terminals. They have helped us to hit records, which is the case of Itaqui. To make this more tangible, Rodrigo mentioned that our expenses in the first quarter were 18% higher. Half of this was for Vila do Conde that did not exist. and in the terminals, 19%, there is a part that is depreciation. Our challenge is productivity, so we don't have to transfer inflation. We need to enhance productivity to gain margin vis-à-vis inflation. We have had excellent results. We still have a way to go. Pizzinatto Linden, Rodrigo de Almeida Pizzinatto Linden Gas. And this, besides the logistic operators, we were very assertive in our geographic positioning and expansions. We have Villa Duconde that is important in the timing of our projects. We were able to anticipate the projects by one year and we're benefiting from this movement, which we believe will continue on. This is reflected in our growth of profitability and volume. Thank you. Thank you very much. Our next question is from Rodolfo Angeli from JP Morgan. You may proceed, Rodolfo. Thank you. A good day to all of you. Well, I think most of the discussion has been held. I would like to speak about working capital. You had a significant consumption this semester. If you could refer to what you expect for the coming quarter, that would be very helpful. Thank you. Rodolfo, I'm going to give you an outlook from Ipiranga. Simply to mention some data in the second semester, we had a weighted increase of 50% in fuel, so working capital was spent on fuel. Of course, with the reduction of fuel price, we should have a positive impact on working capital, but in the first semester, the impact due to the price increase was quite soft in truth. It's as simple as that. Okay, thank you very much. Thank you. As we have no further questions, I would like to return the floor to Mr. Rodrigo Pizzinatto for the closing remarks. You have the floor, sir. You may proceed. Thank you very much all for participating and for the questions in the call. We were not able to answer all the questions, but we will answer the questions through the IR team. Thank you very much. Thank you. The ultrapart conference call ends here. 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