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Now it's time for us to start Tokyo Auditorium financial announcement for the third quarter fiscal year ending on March 31st, 2024. Thank you very much for joining us today despite your busy schedule. I am Yatsuda of IR department, acting as a moderator of today's session. Now I'd like to introduce today's attendees. Mr. Toshiki Kawai, representative director, president, and CEO. I am Kawai. Thank you for joining us. Next, Mr. Hiroshi Kawamoto, Senior Vice President and General Manager in charge of Finance Division. I am Kawamoto. Prior to the presentations, let me explain the flow of today's conference. First of all, Mr. Kawamoto and Mr. Kawai will make presentations. After that, until 6.30 Japan time, we will have a question and answer session where we take questions from the audience. This meeting uses two channels of Webex for the simultaneous interpretation between Japanese and English. As we explained in our email, you are kindly requested to use apps on PCs or mobile terminals if you plan to ask questions, but if you are not going to ask questions, you can use telephones. Since this conference is intended for institutional investors and analysts, we would appreciate your understanding that we receive questions only from institutional investors and analysts, as usual. We will post the audio contents of this conference in Japanese and English on our website within a couple of days. It would be appreciated if you could also visit our website. Now Mr. Kawamoto will present the consolidated financial summary. Once again, good afternoon. I'm Kawamoto, Finance Unit. I would like to present this unsolidated financial summary of the third quarter of fiscal year ended in March 2024. First of all, I would like to present quarterly financial summary. I will mainly refer to the figures in the blue box. In the third quarter, we generated net sales of 463.6 billion yen, 8.4% increase from the previous quarter, mainly due to the increase in sales to China. Gross profit was 222.1 billion yen, 17.1% increase from the previous quarter. and gross profit margin was 47.9%, raised by 3.6 percentage points because of growing proportion of high-value added products. The operating income was 132.4 billion yen, 37.8% increase from the previous quarter. Operating margin was 28.6%, raised by 6.1%, percentage point due to the increase of gross profit margin and decline of SG&A to sales ratio. Net income attributable owners of parent was 101.5 billion yen, 38.7% increase from the previous quarter. For the year-over-year differences shown on the right-most column, though net sales declined by 0.9%, both gross profit and operating income increased thanks to the improved product mix, as I said earlier. R&D expenses were 49.7 billion yen as we continue R&D investment for the future growth. Capital expenditures were 31.8 billion yen due to the construction of development building in Kyushu, among others, while depreciation amortization was 13.8 billion yen. So this is a graphic representation of the financial summary shown on the previous page on the chronological order, just for your information. This slide shows net sales by region. As we switched to a single segment disclosure from this fiscal year, here's the composition of company-wide net sales by region. As for the net sales composition in the third quarter, following the second quarter, the proportion of sales to China rose to as high as 46.9% due to active WFE investment to mature nodes in this region. This shows SPE new equipment sales by application. In the third quarter, from the bottom of this chart, sales to non-memory customers accounts for 65%, non-verted memory accounts for 4%, and DRAM accounts for 31%. Sales to DRAM customers and non-memory customers showed a rise from the previous quarter due to active WFE investment by Chinese customers as was in the second quarter. This slide shows the fuel solution sales. In the third quarter, sales were 104.4 billion yen remaining unchanged from the second quarter as part sales recovered, though modification sales were sluggish. This slide shows the balance sheet. Total assets were 2,217.4 billion yen. Cash and cash equivalents were 352.4 billion yen. Notes and accounts receivable, trade and contract assets were 335.0 billion yen. Inventories were 778.0 billion yen, increasing by 29.4 billion due to procurement prepared for future market recovery. Investment and other assets amounted to 332.1 billion yen, growing by 23.5 billion from the previous quarter. Next, for the liabilities net sales shown on the right-hand side, liabilities were 639.7 billion yen, decreasing by 21.6 billion yen. The net assets were 1,577.6 billion yen, increasing by 47.3 billion yen from the previous quarter due to net income of 101.5 billion yen and dividend payment. Equity ratio was 70.5%. This slide shows the cash flow. In the third quarter, cash flow from operating activities was 95.0 billion yen. The cash flow from investing activity was minus 34.4 billion yen. Cash flow from financing activities was minus 69.3 billion yen, primarily due to dividend payment. As a result, the free cash flow was 60.6 billion yen. So this was all about the consolidated financial summary of the third quarter of this fiscal year. Thank you very much. So next, Mr. Kawai will report business environment and financial estimates. Mr. Kawai, please. I am Kawai. I will report business environment and financial estimates. Let me start with the business environment. The full year forecast of WFP market size in calendar 2023 is around $95 billion, though our forecast at the previous financial announcement was $85 to $90 billion. We have revised the forecast upward as the customers in China pulled their investment forward. The full-year forecast of WFP market size in calendar 2024 is $100 billion, comparable to the record high level in 2022. We expect that Chinese customers will continue their investment, and from the second half of the year, investment for the leading-edge DRAM is expected to recover. In calendar 2025, following the recovery of investment for DRAM in 2024, we expect WFP's spending for non- and leading-edge logic foundries will also show a full-fledged recovery the recovery will be driven by ai server which will grow at gr of 31 percent ai server will provide broad business opportunities including leading hcpu d-ram and NAND as well as GPU for generative AI and HBM in which memory devices are stocked in package. In addition, AI will be mounted not only to servers but also to PCs and smartphones. We can also accept the demand to replace those product purchased during COVID-19 crisis and businesses are active in their IT investment. All these factors are expected to boost semiconductor demand, therefore to visit Growth is expected in calendar 2025 WFE market. This shows business progress in the third quarter of fiscal year ending in March 2024. Regarding financial performance, as Mr. Kawamoto presented earlier, both net sales and profit proceeded according to the plan. Penetration of our strategy products and development and variation activities for future growth are proceeding steadily as per the mid-term management plan. As an example, we are making good progress in winning PORs in heart etching system for DRAM, silicon etching system, and backside bevel cleaning system for advanced logic devices. Evaluation of cryogenic, etching technology that I introduced previously is proceeding smoothly toward its introduction to high volume manufacturing. Orders for wafer bonder and debonder for HBM installed in high volume Manufacturing lines show sharp increase. Inquiries have more than doubled from our expectation six months ago. In Semicon Japan December 2023, we release new product, new technologies, and new environmental goal. The first one is laser liftoff technology. In the 3D packaging to further improve semiconductor performance, the laser lift-off technology is used during the wafer filling process to separate permanently bonded two silicon wafers by laser into upper silicon wafer and the other wafer with integrated circuit fabricated and transferred. This is an innovative technology which can simplify conventional process flow and drastically reduce environmental impacts. The ionized water consumption, for example, is reduced by more than 90%. The second is AUKUS-G, leveraging our proprietary technology, AUKUS-G achieves ultra-flat wafers essential for leading-edge devices which are processed with EUV and high-density 3D packaging. With these new technologies, we will promote semiconductor technology innovation and drive WFE market growth. As for environment, we have pulled forward the target year of net zero achievement by 10 years to 2040. Accordingly, we have revised the environmental goal for our products. The new goal is 35% reduction of CO2 equivalent emissions per wafer from fiscal 2021. We will strive for conservation of global environment and actively lead net-zero achievement efforts. Next, I will present the financial estimates for fiscal 2024. Reflecting the financial results in the third quarter and current circumstances, we have revised the estimate for net sales upward by ¥100 billion, full-year financial estimates of ¥1,830,000,000 for net sales, ¥817,000,000 for gross profit, ¥445,000,000 for operating income, and ¥340,000,000 for net income attributable to owners or parents. Net sales in the second half of this fiscal year are expected to be recovered to exceed 1 trillion yen. This slide shows SPE new equipment sales forecast in the fourth quarter. As shown here, SPE new equipment sales are recovering after bottoming out in the first quarter. This shows our plan for R&D expenses and capex. There have been no changes. In fiscal 2024, we expect RMD expenses of 205 billion yen, capex of 124 billion yen, and depreciation of 57 billion yen, all of which are expected to hit the record high. To realize both digitalization and decarbonization for global environmental conservation, semiconductor devices become more and more important and have more applications. By year 2030, the semiconductor device market is expected to reach $1 trillion in size, as you can see over here. In order to maximize our growth potential under such circumstances, we are planning R&D expenses of 1.5 trillion yen and capex of 700 billion yen in the coming five years. We consider it is people that drive company growth, and our employees are sources for value creation. Based on this belief, we plan to hire 2,000 people every year to hire 10,000 people in total in five years' time. This slide shows the dividend forecast. Interim dividend per share was 148 yen, and based on the upward revision of financial estimate, the EIN dividend is expected to be 219 yen. This is my last slide showing the total return amount over the past few years. The total return amount in this fiscal year, totaling the dividend per share that I presented earlier and share repurchase, is expected to be 290.2 billion yen, hitting a record high. Thank you very much. This concludes my presentation. We will have question and answer session till 6.30 Japan time. You can ask questions either in Japanese or English, but are speakers on Japanese channel, please allow us to take audio questions only in Japanese. If you ask a question in Japanese, please press the raise hand button on the WebEx. For details, please refer to the instructions attached to the invitation email. I will call the name of the person who asked a question one by one. Our Secretariat will contact you in advance, so please check the WebEx chat box. When asking a question, you are kindly requested to unmute your microphone for yourself. When your question is answered by our attendees, please hit the raise hand button again to remove raise hand signal. For questions in English, please use the WebEx chat box and enter your affiliation name and your question in text and send it to our secretariat. We will refrain from answering questions if your name and affiliation are not given. On the Japanese channel, we will translate your English question and I will read it out in Japanese and speakers will answer in Japanese. On the English channel, the question and answer will be simultaneously interpreted into English on the real-time basis. As we try to ask as many questions as possible, we will take one question per person. If time allows, we will take additional questions. So first question is from Mr. Yoshida of CLSA Securities. I am Yoshida from CLSA Securities Japan. Slide 12, you showed us WFP market forecast. So 2024 and 2025, if possible, could you show me some breakdown by application logic foundry and DRAM? Because when you look at the growth rate, what sort of focus do you have for 2024 and 2025? I'm also interested in the growth rate in China. Slide 2012, please. Thank you very much for your question. I am Kawai. Let me answer to your question. Proportion of each application for 2024, memory, about 30%. For logic, it's about 60%. And remaining 10% is for factory automation, level packaging. So these are the rough proportions. So what about the growth rate rather than proportion for DRAM NAND logic foundry? I want to see the growth rate by application for 2024 and 2025. For year 2024 and 2025, about 30% to 40% for DRAM is expected to grow. And the leading edge NAND, for this year. NAND is still in adjustment, so NAND almost remained flat for this year. In 2025, as I said in my presentation, so now we have more PCs and smartphone demand. And also, after the adjustment of inventory, Year 2025, you can see double investment for NAND. For 2024, leading-edge logic is expected to grow slightly. So AI server is a driver, but still, for customer, utilization rate do have some room, so I think the full-fledged investment will start next year. For this year... China should account for about 40% in 2024. So slight decline from the previous year, but China accounts for about 40%. For 2025, China is expected to further increase their self-sufficiency ratio. It's about 20%. That is the level of self-sufficiency ratio. Therefore, a very similar investment plan will be adopted by Chinese customers in 2025. On the other hand, when you look at the US-China trade conflict, we must closely watch what happens to the US-China trade conflict. Thank you very much. For logic foundry, towards 2025 full-fledged capital investment will start. How much growth rate do you expect for logic foundry? Two-digit growth is expected. Thank you very much for your answer. Mr. Yoshida, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Wadaki of Morgan Stanley, MUFG Research Japan. I have a question regarding WFE market focus 2024 hit the peak. That's what Kawai-san said earlier. And for the future, you gave us very positive focus, which is really good. But when it comes to the fiscal 2024, and when you focus on your term, how much... Growth rate is expected. So you make a presentation in the new year party for SEAJ 2024 plus 27%. That's what you said. So Tokyo Electro new equipment is expected to grow a very similar percentage, I think. What do you think about that? So the detailed report will be given in the next session. meeting of the financial announcement. And there is a difference between calendar year and fiscal year, as you know. So compared with the growth rate in calendar year basis, the growth rate on the fiscal year basis, we should include the investment for year 2025. Therefore, a stronger growth rate is expected based on fiscal year. And WFE So the American and European manufacturers are delivering tools ahead of others for exposure system, for example, an ion implantation system and silicon epitaxial growth system. So quite a few tools for those areas were delivered by Western manufacturers, and Japanese vendors' demand will be promoted because of those. So, SEAJ party reception, I made a presentation, and that comment remained unchanged. Continually, we can see the growth trend in WFE market. So now we have 80 billion transistors mounted, and that will be increased to 140 billion transistors. And also technology node will shift from 3 nanometer to 2 nanometer node. So within five years, all those growth is expected for the AI. So we can expect very strong growth potential. Thank you very much for a very strong message. I was very happy to hear that. Mr. Wadaki, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Nakamura of Goldman Sachs Japan. So I have a question regarding gross profit margin. The third quarter, based on the quarterly basis, you hit the record high gross profit margin. The figure was very good. So now you can see the upper revision. What is the reason for that? And I think second, fourth quarter, the sales are expected to grow, but gross profit margin is expected to climb slightly. So could you just give me the probability? And also, I want to know the prospect for the gross profit margin for the next fiscal year. First of all, So for this fiscal year, the gross profit margin, let me just explain a little bit more. For the third quarter, we hit the record high gross profit margin, very high level of gross profit margin was achieved in the third quarter. This is because of our high value added products. the proportion of the high profit margin product increased in the third quarter. We can see the very similar high level of gross profit margin in the fourth quarter. but I can see some temporary expenses, for example, some of the discard of the inventory and also the R&D expenses in cost of goods. So some of the temporary strategic things are incorporated. That is the reason why slight decline is expected in the fourth quarter for the gross profit margin. That is our prospect for this fiscal year. This is Kawai. Let me add some more comments. In principle, high value added products are supposed to be created continuously by our company. So this is how we try to pursue the high level of the profit margin. So we expect we can see increasing trend of the gross profit margin. And we need to work for that. Fortunately, in the third quarter, We want the PORs steadily. Because of that, I think the gross profit margin can be increased continuously in the future. Thank you very much. You mentioned the temporary factor in the fourth quarter. So how much temporary factor is expected in the fourth quarter? Could you share your idea with us, please? So the third quarter to fourth quarter, So gross profit margin is declined a little bit from third to fourth quarter. So that reflects the temporary factor. About 500 billion and 3%, so that's about 115 or 20 billion. Let me refrain from making specific comments. So this is the correct interpretation of what I have said so far. Thank you very much. Mr. Nakamura, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Hirakawa of B of A Securities. Mr. Hirakawa, please. I have a question regarding logic foundry for the investment for mature node is really active. So in this fiscal year, what is the proportion of the mature node in logic foundry? And what is your prospect for next fiscal year in terms of the proportion of the mature node? so 24 and fiscal 2025 in both fiscal years, the mature node comes for about 40%, including IoT, power, semiconductors for automotive. So the about 40% are from the mature node. I think this is how we can view the proportion in the market. So next fiscal year, the leading edge memory area and leading edge logic area will increase. Therefore, market size will not shrink, but proportion of matured node may decline a little bit because the increase in proportion for leading edge devices. compared with this fiscal year. Thank you very much. Let me just get some clarification. For mature note, accounts for about 40%. So that's based on your company's fiscal year, this fiscal year and next fiscal year. So WFE in 2025, the amount, The number doesn't decrease, but proportion of mature node will decline. I just talked about the worldwide basis on the calendar year basis as well. So this is not specific to our company. I don't think there is a huge difference between the worldwide figure and our own figure. As you said, about 40%. are from legacy or mature node, including China and other regions. In total, the mature node accounts for about 40%. For next year, as you said, that doesn't decline drastically, but the investment for the leading edge devices will increase next year. Accordingly, the proportion of mature node decline. So you said the 40% for the mature node for 2023 and 24, no. 40% for fiscal 2024 and slight decline in fiscal 2025, but the total absolute value doesn't change so much. Thank you very much. That's clear. Mr. Hirakawa, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Yoshioka of Nomura Securities. I am Yoshioka from Nomura Securities. My question is regarding the gross profit margin again. So third, full quota, about 48%. So that's a high level. for gross profit margin. And you said proportion of the high value added product is a driver to raise gross profit margin. But you said the China sales accounts for higher proportion. So we shouldn't include or reflect the impact of China market. Could you show me some background, and how do you view next fiscal year, as for the fourth quarter, you said there are some temporary factors, I understood, but for next fiscal year, I don't think temporary factor will remain, therefore, can you also achieve the 48%, well, very close to that level of gross profit margin, is my understanding correct? So our mid-term management plan, we set the financial model. And what is important for us is to the high value added products and service provision. And high value added products and services, of course, we need to work on the one and only equipment for the leading edge products, devices, and also for new models. we should reduce cost and improve value added. The profit margin for each product has been improving. Therefore, as I said earlier, there are some strategic factors, including the R&D expenses and cost of goods, but by and large, the profit margin is expected to grow, improve continuously. in the future so certain timing in principle We can achieve high level of gross profit margin just like now, the third quarter. It's possible for us to aim at the high level of gross profit margin. Thank you very much. So clarification for China. China factors do not have so much impact. Is that correct understanding? For each individual issue, let me refrain from making some specific comments. But to some extent, R&D, we can have some business which do not have so much need for R&D investment, and profit margin is not so bad for the China market as well. Mr. Yoshioka, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Shimamoto of Okasan Securities. Mr. Shimamoto, please. I am Shimamoto. I have a question regarding DRAM. HBM is a driver. That's what you said. And in DRAM, 24 and 24, you say 30 to 40% out of that. What is the contribution of the HBM? Do you have any figures for the contribution of HBM? The HBM, so now you can see some figures for bonding. which is rather significant, in that area, very high level, we receive inquiries about two times more than expected. I looked at BitASP. When BitASP increases, that will contribute to WFE market growth. So when you look at the recent trends, in the second half of this year, leading HD RAM, Demand will be increasing from autumn this year and onward. So memories are improving, not just because of HBM, but reading HD RAM is also expected to grow. So I have one follow-up question for bonding. I'm sure the bonding is affected, but what about the front end of the process? How do you view the impact of HVM on front end bit ASP increases? So there is some positive contribution to front end, but when it comes to the buffer throughput, could you share some idea or some tips with me, please? This is IR department. Let us answer to your question. For bonding, assembly, or back-end, so we have the dedicated system for HBM. But when it comes to front-end, so HBM and DRAM, the same process tools are used for HBM. and DRAM. Therefore, it is customer who allocate the process to HBM and DRAM. So proportion between the HBM and DRAM, just up to the customer. So we cannot tell exactly, but all we can say is overall big growth. So when it comes to composition, we are not able to give you some specific answer. Thank you very much for a very fair answer. Thank you very much. Mr. Shimamoto, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Shibano of Citigroup Global Markets Japan. I am Shibano from Citigroup. So page 19, 25 to 29, five years, the investment plan is announced in your presentation. So two years ago, if my memory serves correctly, R&D, you said 1 trillion yen for five years from two years ago, but now you have 25 to 29, so 1.5 trillion yen, and also the capex up until two years ago, you said about 50 billion yen per year for many years, but now you have 700 billion yen for five years to come, so one digit more than the previous figure. as for workforce i think you have 17 to 18 000 headcounts as for the background when you think about the market trend forecast a background i think your operations are focusing here in japan but when it comes to capex Are you going to promote R&D or manufacturing outside of Japan as well? If possible, could you just give us the background of those three figures in your strategy? I am Kawai. Let me answer to your question. So R&D, for R&D, fortunately, the new products, and served available market sum has been increasing, growing. So now we are using customer structured welfare for the variation. In that sense, in our factories, we promote R&D for that purpose. We invest up for R&D and also next door concept. We try to close to the customer And by using customers' structural welfare to tune the process conditions or recipes. So there are two types of R&D. R&D done in our own factories and R&D conducted very close to the customer. Accordingly, we have some facilities, buildings necessary for those purposes. So in our mid-term management plan and ahead of that, we are now looking ahead of our mid-term management plan. And this is the level of the R&D investment. And we calculate those figures based on very specific figures. Thank you very much. Based on the very specific plan, we calculated these figures. Thank you very much, Mr. Shimano, for your question. Next question is from Mr. Tong from Macquarie Capital Securities. Thank you very much. Could you give us more information about the development of cryogenic etching? 400 layers not this application, but what about 300 layers? Are there any possibility that this technology will be applied to 300 layers? When are you going to recognize the cells? So now toward the variation of this technology is going on for 10 micron and 400 layers or more. That is the major target in our variation for the installation in the high-volume manufacturing line. So 400 layers, when the technology shifts to the high-volume production fully, it might be possibly applied to 300 layers. First of all, we are now focusing on the area more than 400 layers when we evaluate this technology for the purpose of introduction into the high-volume production. And next year, CY 2025, should be the year when we start recognizing cells of this new technology. Thank you very much. You said 2025, the NAND investment will be doubled. That's what you said in your presentation. So cryogenic etching will become more important to be introduced into NAND manufacturing line. It's a correct understanding. Little by little, the 400 layer Proportion of 400 layer should be the factor we need to consider. So little by little, the cryogenic etching will be increasing. But each customer has its own strategy. However, year 2025, we can expect that cryogenic etching will contribute to our net sales. So you said inquiries. double than your expectation. So DRAM manufacturers, how many DRAM manufacturers may adopt this technology? When they are going to start? Next year or 2025? So now you have the 30 to 40% increase or growth in the DRAM area. Could you give me your idea, please? Are you asking about the POR for new, the POR for the DRAM manufacturers? No, weather bonding. I have a question regarding weather bonding. So at this moment, We cannot make any comment regarding specific number, but inquiries have doubled that expectation. So we can have high expectation, but I'm sorry, I cannot give you any specifics, including number of units or the amount or price, the amount of the sales. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your understanding. Thank you very much for your question. Are there any other questions? We have about 10 minutes to go, so we may take the second question from the audience. Could you raise, could you hit the raise hand button if you have additional questions? So Mr. Sugiura of Daiwa Securities. So five-year plan. I have a question regarding five-year plan, especially for the recruitment. human resources. As we discussed earlier, now we have about 17,000 and we are going to increase the workforce by 10,000. I'm afraid there might be some risk for the dilution of the human resources. How do you address the risk of dilution of human resources? And you can see drastic increase in number of head employees. The fixed cost might increase drastically. Is that correct understanding? And how do you address the dilution of human resources and how do you view the future of the fixed costs? Fortunately, as for the human resources, among the university students, More than 20,000 or 22,000 or 23,000 graduates are registering entries, so newcomers and mid-career employees. We are thinking both of them. About 1,000 outside of Japan and about 1,000 inside Japan, including new graduates and mid-career employees. So 2,000 newcomers per year is the plan for the future. As I said earlier, for entry, We are able to hire a sufficient number of the people. On the other hand, as a leading company in the industry, we should support the students in terms of their education and training. We are going to focus this area as well as a leader of the industry. Needless to say, we said 3G, So 3Gs, global, generation, and gender. So we need to keep good balance among those 3Gs, global, gender, and generation. So this is how we plan for the human resources. As for the fixed cost ratio, at present, among device market, Capital intensity WFE proportion is about 16%, 1.6%. By year 2030, the Semiconductor market will be doubled to reach $1 trillion. And if capital intensity remain unchanged, and if share doesn't change, our sales expected to be doubled in year 2030. So looking ahead, year 2030, when you continue operation, The sales per capita and profit per employee can be improved furthermore, according to our estimation. Our sites increase in number while our factories grow in size. digital transformation and robotics solutions should be promoted. Furthermore, the number of installed bases will be enhanced, but incidents should be decreased in number. So the semiconductor device market will be expanding rapidly. Accordingly, our sales and our sites will be increasing in number. At the same time, you can see higher business opportunity with high growth potential. Based on that, we think this plan is good enough to further improve the operating profit margin. Thank you very much for your answer. So I'd like to give you one additional comment from IR department for the recruitment. We are going to hire 10,000 new people in the future. However, in the future, we will have decline in the workforce due to the mandatory retirement. According to our estimation, about 700 people will leave TEL annually. Due to the mandatory retirement, therefore, net increase in five years to come should be 6,500. Thank you very much for your question, Mr. Sugiura. Second question, Mr. Yoshida from CLSA Securities. I am Yoshida. When you answered to the question of Mr. Wadaki regarding fiscal 2025, you answered your prospect is almost the same as the prospect issued by SEAJ. Look at the first half and second half of fiscal year 2025. How do you view the market trend? So second half next fiscal year, we can see the rather growth, big growth. The full-fledged, the round and logic investment. will start in 2025. So we are now bottoming out and the gradual recovery is expected. When you compare first and second half of next fiscal year, I think the market size will expand more in the second half of next fiscal year. For NAND, year 2025 calendar year basis, NAND is expected to be doubled. I think the majority comes from January to March region. That's when the more investment will come, from January to March. So throughout the year, the NAND will going through the adjustment. So calendar year, the first quarter or second quarter, we should wait and see what happens. We should closely watch the condition. Thank you very much. One more question. I want to ask about field solution as well. The fourth quota. So when you think about the total sales, field solution sales has increased quite significantly. Considerably. So what is the background of the increase of the field solution sales? And could you also share with us about your outlook for next fiscal year? As for the field solution, the customer utilization rate increases. Then, accordingly, especially parts business portion will increase. So customers' utilization rate is rather limited right now, but now you can see the improvement in the utilization rate at customer FAFSA. Accordingly, past business will be increasing, and also when customers start the production actively, then we can see more modifications. Thank you very much. Mr. Yoshida, thank you very much for your question. Next question is given in text. Let me read it out. The question is from Mr. Bulk from New Street Research. You guided for 20% sequential growth in SBE revenues in the March quarter. This contrasts with your major U.S. and Dutch peers, which all forecast a quarter-over-quarter decline in March and for their revenue to be back-end weighted in 2024. Can you elaborate how you expect your SBE revenues to trend in 2024? Do you expect revenue to be back or front end weighted? So I think your question is very similar to the previous question. Tokyo Electron, quarterly net sales. You saw the presentation materials. So little by little, calendar year 2025, you can see gradual increase in our quarterly net sales. That is the overall trend. As for the overall picture, second half, where it's more active, and you can see rapid growth from the second half of next fiscal year. Let me add one comment. There is a difference between Dutch and American peers and our company in terms of lead time. Because of that, and also they have more backlogs. That's another factor to impact. In the previous fiscal year, our company followed the lead time to deliver our products. Therefore, backlogs are rather low in our company. Therefore, the timing for our recognition sales is different from those of the Western companies. Any other questions? Since there seems to be no more questions, we'd like to conclude the financial announcement. 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