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It's time for us to start Tokyo Election Financial Announcement for the first quarter of fiscal year ending March 2025. Thank you very much for joining us today despite your busy schedule. I am Yatsuda of IR department, serving as a moderator of today's session. I would like to introduce today's attendees. Toshiki Kawai, representative director, president and CEO. I am Kawai. Next, Hiroshi Kawamoto, Senior Vice President and General Manager, Division Office of Finance Division. I am Kawamoto. Prior to the presentations, let me explain the flow of today's session. First of all, Kawamoto and Kawai will make presentations. After that, until 6.30 Japan time, we will have a question-answer session where we entertain questions from the audience. This meeting uses two channels of WebEx for the simultaneous interpretation between Japanese and English. As we explained in our email, you are kindly requested to use an absent PC or mobile terminal if you plan to ask questions. But if you are not going to ask any questions, you can use telephones. Since this conference is intended for institutional investors and analysts, we would appreciate your understanding that we receive questions only from institutional investors and analysts. We will post the audio contents of this conference in Japanese and English on our website within a couple of days. It would be appreciated if you could also visit our website. Now, Mr. Kawamoto will present the consolidated financial summary. Mr. Kawamoto, please. Once again, good afternoon. I am Kawamoto, Finance Division. I'd like to present the Consolidated Financial Summary of the first quarter of fiscal year ending March 2025. This slide shows Quarterly Financial Summary. In the first quarter, I would like you to refer to the figures in the blue box. In the first quarter, we generated net sales of 555.0 billion yen, 1.4% increase from the previous quarter. Roast profit was 264.0 billion yen, 3.1% increase from the previous quarter. Roast profit margin was 47.6%, 0.8% point increase due to the improvement of product mix and absence of burnout factors. such as processing inventory. Operating income was 165.7 billion yen, 14.1% increase from the previous quarter. Operating margin was 29.9%, raised by 3.4% from previous quarter, due to the increase of gross profit margin and decline of SG&A to sales ratio including R&D expenses, as I said earlier. Income before income taxes increased by 5.9% to 167.2 billion yen. Net income attributable to owners or parents was 126.1 billion yen, 1.0% increase from the previous quarter. This is a graphic representation of the financial summary shown on the previous page on the chronological basis. You can see that both net sales and profit margins are improving gradually. This slide shows SBE new equipment sales by application. In the first quarter, from the bottom of this chart, sales to non-memory customers accounted for 72%, non-volatile memory accounted for 2%, and DRAM accounted for 26%. Compared with the previous quarter, net sales and proportion of DRAM and non-volatile memory declined, while those of non-memories rose. This slide shows net sales by region. As for net sales composition in the past quarter, as I described in the previous slide of sales composition by application, non-memory sales rose mainly, and regarding the composition, proportion of Taiwan rose in particular, and also North America and China grew from the previous quarter. This slide shows the field solution sales. In the first quarter, fuel solution sales were 118.1 billion yen declining by 1.2 billion yen, mainly use equipment modification sales decreased, while sales of parts and services rose, along with improvement of utilization rate in the customers' farms. This slide shows the balance sheet. Total assets were 2,395.5 billion yen, Cash and cash equivalents were 438.5 billion yen, declining by 34.0 billion yen from the previous quarter due to the payment of dividend to the shareholders, tax payment, and share repurchase. Notes and accounts receivable were 358.8 billion yen, declining by 32.5 billion yen quarter over quarter. Inventories were 764.8 billion yen. Investment and other assets amounted to 471.4 billion yen, growing by 85.2 billion yen from the previous quarter because of such factors as the increased market value of shares they own. For the liabilities and net sales shown on the right-hand side, liabilities were ¥722.4 billion, increasing by ¥26.1 billion. Net assets were ¥1,773.0 billion, increasing by ¥12.8 billion from the previous quarter. This change is primarily attributed to recognition of net sales increased as well as asset decrease due to dividend payment to the shareholders and share repurchase. The equity ratio was 70.3%. This slide shows the cash flow. The cash flow operating activities in the first quarter was 183.7 billion yen. The cash outflow from investing activities was 27.3 billion yen. The cash outflow from financing activities was 194.4 billion yen due to the share repurchase of 79.9 billion yen. The free cash flow was 156.4 billion yen. We maintain the constant level. Finally, I will present the updates of the share repurchase. As you can see, the share repurchase based on the resolution of Board of Directors on May 10 was completed as of June 30, 2024. The total number of shares purchased from May to the end of June 24 amounted to 2,317,000. Shared total cost of share repurchase was 79.9 billion yen. This concludes my presentation on the consolidated financial summary of the first quarter of fiscal 2025. Now let's move on. Mr. Kawai will present business environment and financial estimates. Good afternoon. I am Kawai. I will present business environment and financial estimates. Let me start with the business environment. In calendar 2024, WFP market is growing in general, although some customers are changing their investment plans. At present, strong investment for AI servers continues, and utilization rate for PCs and smartphone applications is steadily recovering. Along with this trend, growing demand for DDR5 and HBM accelerates WFE spending for DRAM. In advanced logic inventory, there are rapidly growing needs for advanced packaging and testing as well as for different end equipment. In calendar 2025, in addition to the strong growth of AI servers, AI content in PCs and smartphones is expected to rise. Following the recovery of investment for DRAM, investment for NAND is also expected to resume as the inventory adjustment proceeds. Further recovery of WFE spending in advanced logic foundry is expected to offset low investment for mature nodes. We expect that those factors will drive double-digit growth in calendar 2025 WFE market. The leading-edge semiconductor technology is essential for AI applications. Toward the realization of semiconductor devices featuring large capacity, auto high-speed, and low power consumption, technology innovation is moving forward. Along with the technology evolution, including GA, backside PDN, and HBM, tells the business opportunity will further expand. This shows business progress in the first quarter of fiscal year ending March 2025. Regarding the financial performance, as Mr. Kawamoto presented earlier, both net sales and profit exceeded our guidance. We succeeded in winning PORs for our high-value-added strategic products. We want development PORs in conductor etching for DRAM and cleaning system for advanced logic. Also for cryogenic etching, which is one of our strategic products, and bonders, which are expected to grow furthermore, we are steadily proceeding with development and evaluation for their introduction into high-volume manufacturing lines. Addressing the rapid-growing needs for advanced packaging and testing, we are receiving a wide range of inquiries for quarter-developer etching, batch film deposition, bonders, and probers, among others. In December and West in July, we released new products featuring leading-edge technologies. The single-weather film deposition system episode series deploys a broad product portfolio to fulfill such needs as device scaling, 3D integration, and diversification of deposition materials. Episode 1 effectively lowers contact resistance of metal interconnects in advanced logic. Episode 2 is composed of two modes, namely dual-matched reactor and quad-matched reactor to deposit high-quality films with high throughput. Gas cluster beam system Akravia contribute to cost reduction in EUV patterning processes as it features low damage, order fine line width formation, and profile correction. We have already started delivering these systems to multiple customers for their evaluation and expect that they will contribute to the achievement of fiscal 2027 sales and profit goals set in the mid-term management plan. In this quarter, we completed share repurchase of about 80 billion yen that we announced in May. Next, I will present financial estimate for fiscal 2025. As I presented earlier, driven by the strong demand for AI-related devices, WFE's market is currently in recovery. Towards calendar 2025, full-fledged WFE spendings are expected to start for advanced memory and advanced logic. We have revised the financial estimate upward by reflecting the first quarter results and latest market trend. Fiscal 2025 full-year financial estimates are 2,300,000,000 for net sales, 1,072,000,000 for gross profit, 627,000,000 for operating income, and 478,000,000 for net income attributable to owners of parents. In order to capture future growth opportunity as much as possible, we plan to invest 253 billion yen for R&D in this fiscal year. Net sales, gross profit, gross profit margin, operating income, net income, and EPS are expected to hit record high. This slide shows SBE new equipment sales forecast in fiscal 2025. As shown here, sales are recovering after bottoming out in the fair south of fiscal 2024. Reflecting the latest market trend, we have revised the memory and logic sales proportion. This shows our plan for R&D expenses and capex. In fiscal 2025, as presented before, we expect R&D expenses of 253 billion yen, capex of 170 billion yen, and depreciation of 63 billion yen, all of which are expected to hit record high. This slide shows the dividend forecast. Based on the revision fiscal 2075 financial estimate, the full-year dividend per share is expected to be 519 yen. This is my last slide showing total return amount over the past few years. The total return amount in this fiscal year, combining the dividend per share and share repurchase that I presented earlier, is expected to be 319.8 billion yen, hitting a record high. Thank you very much. This concludes my presentation. We will have question and session until 6.30 Japan time. You can ask questions either in Japanese or English, but as our speakers are on the Japanese channel, please allow us to take audio questions only in Japanese. If you ask a question in Japanese, please click the raise hand button on the Webex. For details, please refer to the instructions attached to the invitation email. I will call the name of the person who will ask a question one by one. Our Secretariat will contact you in advance, so please check the Webex chat box. When asking a question, you are kindly requested to unmute your microphone for yourself. When your question is answered by our attendees, please hit the raise hand button once again to remove raise hand signal. For questions in English, please use Webex chat box and give your affiliation name and your question in text and send it to our secretariat. We will refrain from answering questions if your name and application are not given. On the Japanese channel, we will translate your question, English question, and I will read it out in Japanese and speakers will answer in Japanese. On the English channel, the question and answer will be simultaneously interpreted into English on the real-time basis. As we like to take questions from as many participants as possible, we will take one question per person. If time allows, we will take additional questions. So first question. The first question is from Mr. Yoshida of CLSA Securities Japan. Mr. Yoshida, please. Thank you very much. I am Yoshida from CLSA Securities. Thank you very much. I have one question regarding slide 17, the SP new equipment, cells focused. When looking at the composition, when I calculate, foundry logic is declined while the DRAM cells increased for foundry logic. the leading mature node, and China. So there are different categorizations. So which portion is getting weaker? That's my question. On the other hand, for DRAM, this advanced China, there are different categorizations. Again, which portion is getting stronger? Thank you very much. Let me answer to your question. I am kawaii. In principle, AI-related devices are the drivers growing very fast. At the same time, smartphones are also equipped with AI, and investment for smartphones with AI is also increasing. Therefore, for some customers, The leading edge investment has been changed for AI-related devices or logics for AI server remains strong. For memory, demand is rather big. Therefore, some logic lines are replaced by memory production because of space limitation. So some customers are switching from logic line to memory. So leading edge advanced memory investment is growing rapidly. Some advanced logic has been revised. Because of that, this kind of composition has been represented. So as for China, you just mentioned in your question, little by little, AI-related investment is increasing gradually in China. The proportion, I believe, in the future, 25% to 30% should be the proportion. That's what I said before. For the second half of this year, the proportion of China will go below 40%. In other words, for the third quarter, the China proportion will be still above 40%, but the fourth quarter, the China proportion will go down below 40%. That's our expectation for China proportionate. As for your question, the AI-related devices is rather strong, and memory investment is growing right now. The PC and smartphone also have AI functions. Therefore, for PCs and smartphones, The utilization ratio was not so high in the past, so there was no need for the new investment in the past for AI servers. However, utilization rate has been increasing, so they have no choice. Our customers need to do some new investment. So this is the current status of the market. Thank you very much. So in summary, for the China forecast, there have been no changes from the previous forecast. As for logic, there are some changes, but total amount declined a little bit. But the logic for servers is still strong. On the other hand, for DRAM, the investment for the advanced process is accelerated. Is my understanding correct? Yes, that's how we understand the market situation. Thank you very much. That's very clear.

Mr. Yoshida, thank you very much for your question.

Next question is from Mr. Iwadaki of Morgan Stanley MUFC Research Japan. Can you hear me? Yes. It was really a drastic change in information from the front-end process. You are ahead of others. As for the factors for upward revision, the first quarter was very good. in position, but there are some overlaps in the performance focus. What was the good point in the first quarter in terms of market and in terms of your business? Thank you very much. As for the market factors, market-related factors, the customer's investment plan has been pulled forward and also additional investment for logic and AI. There are some additional investment for that and also test process. There are some additional investment. So some investment is pulling forward and logic process does have additional investment and also memory investment. is recovering, so the pulling forward AI-related investment and memory-related additional investment. So these are the major factors. For packaging process, testing process, in other words, the welfare prover was also added. So these are the factors for this forecast. I have a follow-up question earlier in Yoshida-san's question as for the China market forecast. In the future, the China proportion in sales will be shrinking to 20% to 30%. Actually, the China business is booming. That means the orders will be decelerated. Excuse me, are you asking about the China market trend? Yes, that's correct. I'm asking about China. That's correct. So when I heard the answer to earlier question, I think the China market will be decelerated drastically. As for that issue, Mr. Yatsuda will answer to that question. As for China, there have been no major changes from initial guidance, but as Mr. Kawai said earlier, especially in China, there are some acceleration of the investment. Therefore, I think the cells recognize earlier than expectation. That's the reason why you can see some decline in the cells recognition in the second half of this year. Thank you very much. That's very clear. Thank you very much. Mr. Wadaki, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Nakamura of Goldman Sachs Japan. I am Nakamura. Thank you very much. Can you hear me? Yes. On page 14, you talked about cryogenic etching for NAND, and you said the development and variation for high-volume production is going well. Could you give me some updates for the past three months? American competitors also have new products for cryogenic etching technology. So one year ago, you made an announcement so you can get some first-come benefits or advantages. But are there any other competitive advantages of your products? And are there any advantages you can use in your negotiation with your customers? So first of all, updates over the past three months. So, evaluation is going on very steadily. As far as we are concerned, from the previous record, we already delivered the evaluation tool to the customers, and we have been working on the evaluation of our tool by using wafers at the customer fabs, and the results are very well. So, with high confidence level, we think we can take shares by using this product. However, we haven't won any official PORs yet. So, According to the customer's investment plan for next year and movement, they will start the pilot investment for pilot plan. Therefore, maybe we can win POR in the near future so that we can start the production toward next year. As for the competitors, as Nakamura-san said earlier, we do have some first-comer advantage as for this technology, and we are very confident about technology itself. Therefore, When customers start the investment for high-volume production next year and the year after, I think this will contribute a lot to our sales. As for the evaluation proceedings, yes, the evaluation is progressing very steadily. Therefore, toward the mass production transition, I think we have accelerated our effort. Right now, in that sense, in order for us to win shares, we are making good progress. This technology does not use CF gas, therefore global warming potential is reduced by 84% compared with the previous technology. Therefore, the market for etching process getting larger, and this is good for environment, and we are getting very good promising data for introduction into the mass production lines. So we are accelerating our efforts so that we can make our system adapted by the customer for mass production line. For calendar 2027, $10 billion market is expected. Are there any changes in your prospect? I mean, how much share can you expect to get? Yes. Critical processes. As for critical processes, we are very steady and we are confident. The market size depends on the number of tiers of the customers, how much they are going to use cryogenic aging process. Depending on that, market size will change. But in the future, The number of tiers will be increasing, and when things are getting critical, our etching will be adapted by customers more and more. Under such expectation, we are working very steadily for the evaluation process. Thank you very much. Mr. Nakamura, thank you very much for your question. Next question is Mr. Shimamoto of Okasan Securities. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. So I have a question. 2025 WFE market. So I think your slides are not changed from the previous meeting. However, I want to get some focus for the major customers investment plan for each major application, also including China. I want to ask about your opinion about the focus. of the WFE market in 2025. Well, thank you very much for your question. The investment for DRAM is very well. So next year, we can see the increase in investment for DRAM for 3D NAND. The current investment, actually, the amount of investment is slightly smaller than the investment for DRAM or advanced logic. Probably, the investment for 3D in NAND will be close to doubled next year. The investment for advanced logic for AI servers, PCs, and smartphones are expected to increase. And for industrial applications, the inflation pressures will push up the prices and also EV-related trends have some impact. So as for industrial applications, for one year to go, There are some adjustments. An adjustment will continue for about one year. For China, emerging chip makers are active in investing. Very much. More than 20 customers. started to make investment all together and the investment was completed its cycle but this year and onward the investment china is expected to decrease i said the proportion of china is getting closer to the previous level, little by little. Investment for advanced area will be increasing, and also there are some additional investment for PCs and smartphones, and China's proportion gets smaller a little bit. That's how we view for next year. Thank you very much. I have a follow-up question. There was a surprise in the recent financial announcement of some company. In that sense, for the logic boundary, I believe you received inquiries. Therefore, you are able to see some increase in trend in the leading-edge investment in next year. For this fiscal year, yes, we have revised this area to come up with the revised financial estimates. For next fiscal year, It really depends on customers, so we are not in a position to say anything about next year. But we think customers are expected to continue investment. Thank you very much. That's very clear. Mr. Shimamoto, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Yoshioka of Nomura Securities. I am Yoshioka of Nomura Securities. Can you hear me? Yes, we can hear you. Thank you very much. So, I have a question regarding gross profit margin. So the first 47.6% is rather high gross profit margin for this quarter. And product mix is improved. And also there is no runoff inventory loss. That's what you said earlier. When it comes to product mix, could you give me more details? Is that because of the applications or because of the regions? Could you give us some reasons? for the product mix improvement. And also I look at the plan for this year, second quarter, so the gross profit margin decline and third quarter, gross profit margin goes up once again. So how do we understand your plan for the gross profit margin for the following quarters within this fiscal year? This is Kawamoto, let me answer to your question. For your second question, For the second quarter, gross profit margin is declined. That's what you said in your question. And after that, the second half of this fiscal year, gross profit margin is expected to grow. Let me explain why this happens. As you pointed out, as for the first quarter, gross profit margin was very good. Very good results were achieved. As Kawai said earlier, there are some pulling forward and sales increased significantly. As for the second quarter, because of the backlash of good performance in the first quarter, there are slight decrease in the sales. In the previous fourth quarter, inventory disposal or the strategic sales of the old model parts are also incorporated. For the first quarter and second quarter, when you compare those two quarters, in our case, the cost increases in the second quarter. That's a kind of trend of our company. R&D expenses also increase in the second quarter. That's the trend of our company. That's the reason why margin for the second quarter I think the operating profit margin declined by 0.7 percentage point. And for the second half of this year, sales are expected to increase by 100 billion. Through this upward revision, a strategic product profit margin will make a contribution to the sales of the second half. In order to achieve those profit margins, we'd like to make every effort to achieve those focused. Thank you. Thank you very much. Yes, please. I want to get some clarification according to your first explanation. First quarter, which was good. You talked about product mix improvement. Could you give me some details about the improvement of product mix, which drives good result for the first quarter? This is Kawai. Let me answer to your question. The major growth driver was Taiwan. DDR5, DRAM, HBM, GPU, and testing processes. In those areas, the sales to Taiwan was rather significant. And investment in North America was also big for logic, mainly. For China, the China customers pulled forward their investment. So there are some factors to increase our sales. So there are various factors actually, but by on March, the high value added can be achieved. Also, the depreciation has been completed and high value added products deliver high profit margins. Therefore, the marginal profit has been increasing generally. So when you think about operating profit margin, maybe we should think about the fixed cost ratio against sales. But by and large, the gross profit margin of the product has been increasing. On the other hand, for example, inventory turnover ratio models are changing, so when there is a new product penetration, because of the part sales for the old models, we have set strategic price for the older model, or when the new product gets high performance, so we need to disposed in the inventory to some extent. That's what Mr. Kawamoto said earlier. So these are the factors of the result for first quarter and second quarter in terms of the gross profit margin. Thank you very much. Thank you very much for your very detailed explanation. Thank you very much. Mr. Yoshioka, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Yamamoto of Mizuho Securities. I have a question regarding the HFO NAND. So next year, 2025, your customers will start investing in pilot because the mass production of V10 starts in 2026. In that sense, within this year, you can decide you should win mass production V10. But in November, next financial announcement, if Mr. Kawai doesn't say anything about the winning of the mass production POR, that means you failed to take share. Or on the other hand, when you win the mass production POR, maybe your share for the non-channel HR should be increasing. However, because of the introduction of Cryo 3.0, zero, it might be difficult for you to further improve your share. In comparison with the Cryo 2.0, I heard that TELS product is much higher in specification. However, from the people in the fab, when there is the product at the same performance, it is difficult or reluctant to increase the number of TELS products because of the switching cost. But even if you can get the PORs, how do you think about the future? It might be difficult for you to answer, but really appreciate your answer. It is customers who make a decision for adoption. But when the number of layers stacking is going up, our product advantage is really high. That's how customers evaluate our product. For which layers do customers use our equipment? So as Mr. Yetzda said earlier, in 2026 and onward, we will be able to win shares driven by this new product. the variation by customer for their mass production, and they also change their device structure. There are many things happen, so we cannot say when we can get the mass production POR. There's also a factor of the yield enhancement evaluation. So at which point of time can we get the POR? I won't say that, but I'm sure that we are able to increase our share because of this new product from 2026. Even if in November, Mr. Kawai doesn't say anything about the mass production POR winning, maybe in the future, Because customer want to raise or increase yield, customer may decide to replace the competitor's product with your products. So I don't know the replacement takes place all of sudden. That's customer's decision when to replace the equipment. But evaluation is going on very steadily. Thank you very much. Thank you very much, Mr. Yamamoto, for your question. Next question is given by text. Let me just read it out. The question from Rione Chinsan from Allianz Global Investor. The question is, could you please explain what are the major reasons of OPM beat and why you revise up fiscal OPM guidance? Thank you very much for your question. Let me answer to your question in Japanese. First of all, as for net sales, as I reported earlier, we have revised our sales by 100 billion yen, and that has some impact. And first quarter, as you pointed out, our results were rather good. When you look at the results of the first quarter, we are scrutinizing the figures for the second half of the year, and we think we can improve our profit margins to some extent. That's the reason why we have decided to revise profit margin upward, although that is slight revision upward. So 27% operate profit margin for four-year basis. That's what I presented earlier in my presentation. As I said in the beginning, So value added of the product has been increasing in the leading edge area. We are working on development. So the gross profit margin is going up because of the increase in the marginal profit ratio. So together with the value added, profit margin has been increasing. any commodity area depreciation has been declining and this time the number of process is gradually increasing top line goes up and R&D expenses although we have revised upward top line increased because of that the ratio of R&D has declined So these are the factors to improve the profit margins. Chensan, thank you very much for your question. Next question is from Mr. Hirakawa of B of A Securities. I am Hirakawa from B of A. Yes, we can hear you. Thank you very much. Regarding China investment, I want to ask a question. Next year, 25% to 30% proportion goes down, but still the China proportion is rather high because they continue their investment. I want to know more details or contents based on the inquiries you are receiving right now. What sort of investment is now going on in China? Do you think there are investing for capacity increase or do they investing for technology example from 94 to 40 or 40 to 28 nanometer? Are there any trend in investment in China? Are they investment for capacity enhancement or investment for the shrink, further shrink? For industrial legacy node devices, they are investing quite a few in those areas. And also the investment for pilot has been completed. One cycle, so proportion is expected to decline. Actual amount of investment is expected to decline. So Chinese customer may continue the investment but they may suspend investment. There are so many customers in China, and the customers have different purposes, objectives. So when it comes to trending, it's so difficult to give you one trend which cover entire China, but for power electronics, I talked about EV a little bit earlier. The investment for power electronics, for EV in particular, will be revised. That's what I said earlier. That has some impact. I didn't say 25% to 30% for next year, but previously, the China proportion was about 25% to 30%. As a whole, in industry, the Western customers the proportion of China was more than 30% in the past as well. But maybe in the future, the proportion of China will be about 25 to 30% because of the recovery of the investment for the advanced nose. I have one follow-up question. In China, there are certain subsidiaries coming out. Does that have some positive impact? Can you tell some impact when you receive inquiries? I'm sorry, as far as I know, there's no... impact we are sensing from the inquiries we receive. Thank you very much for your question, Mr. Hirakawa. Next question is from Mr. Shibano of Citigroup Global Markets Japan. I am Shibano from Citigroup WFE Market Assumption, and I want to ask question regarding the revision of your plan 24 and 25 how you did you said there is no major change in wfp market forecast however your sales plan for fiscal 2025 has been revised upward 100 billion yen and you But this time, you have revised your sales forecast slightly more than 100 billion because of the positive impact of W3 market growth. Do you get some advantages from this kind of market trend? I think both of them have some impact. That's the reason why we have revised our sales focus slightly upward. I have a follow-up question. The sales in China, I want to get some clarification. For first quarter and second quarter, the proportion of China remained unchanged. Is that correct? Then 50% a bit in the first half and 30% in the second half of this year. So when you look at this fiscal year, next fiscal year, for abstract view, are there any trend, increasing trend or decreasing trend? Rather the proportion. And I want to know about the second quarter. Up to the end of this year, 40% were maintained Second quarter, did you say? Second quarter, it depends on the timing of delivery. Having said that, as for the peak, the first quarter in this fiscal year hit the peak. I think we are a little bit behind the American two members, but little by little, the proportion goes down little by little for China. As I said earlier, the third quarter, still China proportion is around 40% above, but in the third, fourth quarter, the China proportion will go down to the 30%. For next fiscal year, the proportion goes down compared with the proportion of China for this fiscal year because of industrial application investment will be decreased to some extent. The amount of the sales to China also expected to decline. Let me add one more comment. For next fiscal year, we haven't issued our guidance yet. However, based on customers' investment, our current focus is that the China investment next year will be smaller than this year, although we didn't issue any guidance for next fiscal year. Next question is given by Tex. The film Ralph Bauch from New Street Research. One of your major U.S. logic customers plans to reduce CapEx spending by close to 20% next year versus 2024. Do you expect your other customers in leading-edge logic to increase spending enough to still drive strong growth in advanced logic revenues next year? For next fiscal year, investment for logic is expected. So it's not related to customers, but as we said in my presentation, investment for AI-related devices, not only servers, but also PC and smartphone will have AI function, and that investment will start. So customers, Utilization ratio for smartphone and PC has been increasing, so they need to purchase process tools. Otherwise, you are not able to satisfy the demands. Therefore, next year, we are expecting to receive strong inquiries. The amount will be more than this year. We have another question in text. The question is from Tami Kisa of Berlin Berg. Let me read out the question. What is driving the additional DRAM revenue versus previous lift expectation versus last quarter? Yes, there has been some increase. So we have sales composition issued as our guidance. And in our presentation in the previous quarter, we expected DLM sales composition. The first half is 25%, and this time 27%. We have revised upwards. For the second half, 26% was expectation. Now we have revised upwards to 34% for the second half. So these are the figures we calculated based on the inquiries from the customers. Thank you very much for your question. Are there any other questions? We'd like to close financial announcement. Before closing, I'd like to make announcement. We'd like to continuously improve our IR activities based on your precious feedback. So we appreciate your kind cooperation in filling out the questionnaire before I exit Webex. Thank you very much for taking time to join this conference despite your busy schedule today. Thank you very much.