7/30/2026

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Conference Operator

Thank you for standing by. This is the conference operator. Welcome to the IGM Financial Second Quarter 2026 Analyst Call-In Webcast. As a reminder, all participants are in listen-only mode, and the conference is being recorded. After the presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To join the question queue, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. Should you need assistance during the conference call, you may reach an operator by pressing star and zero. I would now like to turn the conference over to Kyle Martins, Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

Thank you, Jason. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. On the call today, we have Damon Murchison, President and CEO of IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management. Luke Gould, President and CEO of McKinsey Investments. and Keith Potter, Executive Vice President and CFO, IGF Financial. Before we get started, I would like to draw your attention to our cautions concerning the forward-looking statements on slide three of the presentation. Slides four and five summarize non-IFRS financial measures and other financial measures used in the presentation. On slide six, we provide a list of documents available on our website related to IGF Financial's 2026 second quarter results. With that, I'll turn it over to Damon.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Thank you, Kyle, and good morning, everyone. Today is my 24th quarterly earnings call, and my first as president and CEO of IGM Financial. I'm excited and honored to be leading this great organization, and I want to thank James for his leadership and guidance over the past five-plus years, and I look forward to working together in his new capacity as chair of our board. While many of you may know me from McKenzie Investments and IG Wealth, let me provide a brief background for those of you who may be new to our story. I've been part of IGM's leadership team since 2014, including senior role I'm McKenzie Investments and nearly six years as CEO of IG Wealth. I've also stayed connected to the wealth and asset management businesses that are part of our strategic investments. I'm proud of what we built as a company of team players united by a commitment to our clients, execution excellence, and shared success. We enter IGM's next chapter from a position of strength and momentum. And today, I will provide my outlook on the opportunities ahead and share my priorities starting on slide nine. Since the planned leadership transition was announced in February, I've spent time meeting with employees, advisors, leaders, and partners. I've also stood back and looked at IGM as a whole. These conversations and reflections reinforced my confidence in our business and the strength of the leadership team across IGM. They also clarified where we can build on our strengths and advantages. To be clear, our strategy is working well. It's focused on the growth of our core asset and wealth management businesses Amplified by our strategic investments and supported by disciplined capital allocation. The markets we operate in are attractive but also highly competitive. Clients' expectations continue to rise and fee pressure remains a reality across the industry. That makes differentiation, productivity, and disciplined execution even more important. My role is to sharpen our focus, move faster, and concentrate resources on the opportunity with the greatest potential. That work is already underway. The actions we announced in June show this approach in motion in our trajectory, simplifying how we operate so we can direct more capacity to clients, advisors, and profitable growth. Let me take a few minutes to break that down. Firstly, IG Wealth and McKinsey are the core of IGM, comprising 75% of our earnings. Each has distinct strength and meaningful room to grow. At IG Wealth, Our strength is rooted in our national network of financial planners, our deeply embedded financial planning culture, which fosters multi-generational family relationships, and our omnichannel approach to servicing our clients. These strengths are most relevant to affluent Canadians whose financial lives tend to be more complex. Profitable growth comes from two levers that drive advisor productivity. First is increasing advisor capacity. By leveraging an omnichannel approach, and using our industry-leading Planning First technology platform to ensure right client, right channel, and give our advisors more time to service their existing clients and acquire new clients. Second is increasing advisor capabilities by strengthening our value proposition around our key wealth drivers so our advisors can solve more complex family needs and our clients can benefit from our different financial planning advice across various dimensions. At McKenzie, Our advantages come from investment excellence across a multi-boutique model, a leading brand known for product innovation, and multi-channel distribution strength. This includes deep relationships with independent Canadian advisors, connections across the PowerCorp ecosystem, and growing global institutional reach. Growth comes from continued product innovation and bringing our strongest capabilities to more advisors, more clients, and more institutions. Secondly, our strategic investments expand and diversify IGM's growth opportunity. These ownership interests in attractive wealth and asset management businesses connect us into different business models, client segments, and markets, and also strengthen IG and McKinsey. Together, IG Wealth, McKinsey, and our strategic investments give IGM distinct and customary sources of growth and drivers of shareholder returns. Lastly, Our capital allocation priorities remain consistent. We'll invest first in our core businesses where we can strengthen competitive advantages and drive profitable growth. We will maintain financial strength and flexibility as we balance discipline investment in growth with share repurchases and dividend growth over time. And we will continue to concentrate on the wealth and asset management businesses we own today. So to be clear, building on our strategy that is working, Sharpen our focus, simplify how we operate, and invest with discipline. We will measure this progress in practical terms. For better client and advisor outcomes, improve productivity, improve operating efficiency, and ultimately profitable growth and stronger earnings. I know this company well, I strongly believe in our businesses, and I'm ambitious about what comes next. Our leadership team has a strong track record of execution, And our second quarter results are the latest evidence of that. With that, let me turn to slide 11 and talk about our quarterly results. Adjusted EPS of $1.41 per share was up 32% from a year ago. Higher average AUNA supported earnings, reflecting $2.2 billion in net flows and strong investment returns. We paired that growth with disciplined expense management and delivered operating leverage. Beyond adjusted earnings, the fair value of our 25% interest in Wealthsimple increased by 50% during the quarter to $2.6 billion, reflecting continued growth in the business. We also returned record capital to shareholders through dividend and share repurchases. We did that while maintaining financial flexibility with more than $900 million of unallocated capital and a conservative leverage profile. As shown on slide 12, the operating environment was supportive in Q2. Strong financial markets generated average client returns of approximately 9% across IG and McKinsey, and industry flows remained positive. Markets are at or near record highs, although we've seen periods of volatility this year. We remain prepared for a range of market conditions as we enter the second half. On slide 13, adjusted earnings increased across all three segments, with both wealth management and asset management up more than 30%. Slide 14 shows our asset growth, which was not concentrated in just one or two businesses. Total AU&A increased by 90% year-over-year to $622 billion, with all six of our wealth and asset management businesses higher than a year ago. This brings me back to the actions we announced in June on slide 15. We designed these actions to create more meaningful capacity to invest in the future of our businesses without simply layering on more cost and complexity. That capacity will support the next phase of our AI investment. This investment will be in people, in process, and establishing the AI foundational platforms necessary to make it work. There are two principles guiding this work, simplification and personalization. Simplification means removing friction points and making it easier for us to work together, for our advisors and clients to work with us, and ensuring that we are working with our clients in the best way that fits their needs. Personalization means using better data, technology, and insights to elevate the client experience by enabling advisors to deliver more personalized advice, solutions, and service. AI is a critical enabler of simplification and personalization. At IG, AI at the onset is giving advisors time back to help them deliver more personalized client experience. One example is how AI is supporting the client meeting flow, servicing relevant meeting prep, insights before meetings, and streamlining follow-up and documentation. At McKinsey, AI is already embedded in parts of the investment process, helping teams process complex data and supporting idea generation, research, and client service. Across IGM, it can reduce repetitive tasks, eliminate manual work, and give people more time for high-value work that improves both that employee and the advisor experience. Our participation in the Cigar and AI Fund complements the work by giving us another source of market intelligence and opportunities to engage with leading AI companies. The objective here is straightforward. Better client experience, greater advisor productivity and sales team productivity, improved operating efficiency and supportive growth, and investment returns. And with that, let me turn to slide 17 and talk about our wealth management segment's results. IG Wealth delivered another strong record quarter, including record second quarter new client inflows and the eighth consecutive quarter of positive net flows. That progress reflects our focus on massive fluid and high net worth Canadians where comprehensive financial planning is most relevant and valuable. IG was also recognized in the quarter by Forbes as being one of Canada's best employers for company culture. Turn to slide 18. Closed inflows were $4.5 billion, up 26% from a year ago, and our trailing 12-month net flows rate was 1.5%. Investment performance was also strong, with 97% of our investment solutions rated three stars or higher by Morningstar. That performance continues to support client and advisor confidence and IGM Managed Solutions, which represented 88% of our assets under advisement. Slide 19 shows that both massive float and high net worth clients contributed to our new client momentum, reinforcing the strength of our value proposition in the segments we are built to serve. Slide 20 covers mortgages and insurance, two very important parts of our comprehensive financial planning offering. I'll focus on insurance for a moment. where our new annualized premium has reached $33 million, significantly higher than prior periods. This reflects our continued focus on estate planning part of the insurance market, which generally leads to policies with higher face values. Those higher policies are becoming a more meaningful part of the business as we strengthen our insurance capabilities and serve our client segments with more complex needs. While the timing of larger policies can make results uneven from quarter to quarter, Our focus on insurance has led not to just larger policies over time, but to higher case counts. The direction of the firm is clear. Insurance is becoming more a part of how we serve our clients and grow this business. Turn to slide 21. These six industry wealth drivers capture the key financial challenges facing our target client segments. And the area is where our advisors can help clients navigate these challenges and add value through financial planning advice. One of those areas is high net worth family wealth. During the quarter, we added two new partnerships with Legacy Next and Tamron Learning to strengthen our capabilities in the family wealth dynamics, education, and governance pillar. Together, these partnerships give our advisors more tools to help families build the confidence, knowledge, and structure needed to manage wealth across generations. Now let's turn to slide 22 and talk about Rockefeller. BoxFare's client access increased 31% year-over-year, with market returns, organic growth, and additional new advisor teams all contributing. Its iconic brand and comprehensive high-net-worth platform continue to attract leading advisor teams across the United States. Turn to slide 23 in WellSimple. WellSimple's AOA reached $155.6 billion, up 84% year-over-year, and $30.8 billion during the quarter. Record net flows of approximately $17 billion were the largest contributor. Wealthsimple's strong brand, jubilant first experience, and pace of innovation continue to drive client and asset growth. With that, I'll turn the call over to Luke to discuss McKenzie's second quarter results.

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

Thanks, Damon. Good morning, everyone. Turn to page 25, you'll see highlights from McKenzie and the asset management segments of the quarter. We are pleased with the continuum of management in the quarter across many dimensions. Our AUM is up 20% in the last year to $269 billion, and during the quarter we generated investment returns of 10.5% for clients. Our net sales continue to be strong with $1.9 billion in Q2 and $3.6 billion year-to-date. This was our best second quarter investment fund that failed in five years and was driven by momentum in retail, which was up meaningfully from 2025. We also onboarded $2 billion in previously announced institutional wins during the quarter, And we also had multiple billion dollars of awards in Q2, which we'll fund during the coming quarters. At the top of the page, we've reiterated our strategic priorities at McKinsey. Raise the bar in investment excellence, build better products, and deliver a great service experience. And all of our initiatives to advance the business are focused around these three priorities. In the top right, you'll see that during the quarter, around this priority of raising the bar in investment excellence, we've made important changes to our investment management organization that I'll review in a few slides. Also, at the bottom of the slide, you can see the China NC North leaves continue to grow, and I'll speak to both of these on coming slides as well. Turn to page 26, you can see the trend in the history of McKenzie Net Sales. On the left, you can see solid flows in KT improvement in our investment fund net sales. This is our best second quarter year and year-to-date result in the last five years, as mentioned. And you can see on the right, it was driven by these improvements in retail. And at the very bottom left, you can see the strong year-to-date overall net sales, which were at the same level as 2025, which was a record high net sales year for us, and this is driven by continuing inflows from institutional investors. We're expecting continued improvement over the coming quarters as we continue to have winning conditions in a number of places within our offerings. On page 27, I'd highlight first in the bottom left that the industry environment remains healthy and the mutual fund net sales rate for the industry peers is around 2%, and we're slightly above this. In the top right, we've highlighted the continued growth in retail, with $360 million in improvement year over year, as well as the $1.8 billion in improvement in institutional separate accountant sales. Our $1.5 billion in institutional SMA and sales in the quarter included the $2 billion in onboardings referenced earlier, partially offset by the net redemptions for other clients. These onboardings continue to reflect a good mix of some of the largest public pensions globally, as well as some advisory to financial institutions. And in the bottom right, overall investment performance continues to be solid, and our share of assets resulting in five-star funds remains at its highest level in four years, and we have compelling performance across a range of relevant strategies. Moving to page 28, I have two updates relating to our strategic priority of raising the bar on investment excellence. First on the left is a reminder of attending boutique approach. We have autonomous teams with their own demonstrable investment edge who leverage a common support platform. This approach provides diversity and breadth in our capabilities with no groupthink, while ensuring that our teams have the resources and support that they need to generate alpha and harness their respective investment edges. In the middle, you can see that in the quarter we made a number of changes to bolster investment excellence, enhance talent management, and drive technology enablement. We have reduced our number of teams from 15 to nine, through a combination of rationalization and coordination of kindred spirit franchises. Part of this was a rationalization of three boutiques and a reassignment of their mandates to our global quantitative equity team and our multi-asset strategies team. And you can see this on the right, numbered three and four. As well, we brought together a number of teams through coordination of talent and shared resources. And you can see this on the right, numbered one and two. These changes are designed to ensure that all of our capabilities have a clear edge and stand proudly on a world stage with a clear path to commercial relevance across flying segments. The changes are also designed to bolster the scale, talent management, and resources of each team and to foster AI and technology enablement. Also in the bottom left, you can see that we completed a multi-year initiative during July with the completion of our middle office and data foundation with our partner, BNY Mellon. This middle office platform provides a world-class operating environment for our investment teams to do their best work and also provides a strong foundation for tech and AI enablement. Straight at page 29, you can see the performance in net sales for our retail investment fund by boutique. I'd highlight a few things on this slide. First, in the third column from the left, we continue to see noteworthy retail flows into our global quant equity boutique. I'd note that we do not view these flows as being near their potential. We have over 15 retail mandates here in large categories, and the track records are exceptional. This holistic quant all-weather approach that marries AI and HI is compelling in terms of both the level of alpha and the consistency of alpha across different market environments. I'd also note in the middle, we reassigned responsibility for our Grove Smith team to the quant team during the quarter, expanding our quant retail lineup further. And as you scan across the top section of the slide, you'll see we have very component performance in a number of relevant product categories at the moment where we're leading in. This includes our multi-asset strategy team, our value team, and our resources and energy evolution green shift team, among others. Right at page 30, a few comments on the Chinese investment fund industry. Industry long-term assets were up 10% in the quarter, driven by strong Chinese equity market returns in the quarter. Industry long-term fund net sales were very slightly paused in the quarter. And as discussed last quarter, as part of robust equity market improvements, the industry had net outflows of passive ETFs of around $800 billion more in the quarter, reflecting activities by the national team. This was offset by net inflows into fixed income products. And on the right, I'd highlight China to see maintained its rank of number two in the industry with a 5.2% market share. On 5-31, China MC ended the quarter with a total AUM of 2.9 trillion won, up 3% in the quarter. At the bottom, you'll see China MC had 145 billion won in net outflows during the quarter, which, like Q1, reflected participation in the industry passive ETF net outflows for the industry. And I would remind that China MC is the industry leader in the ETF space. During 5-32, Northleaf continued to deliver strong asset growth supported by $4.3 billion of new commitments over the last year, and this included just under $1 billion in the second quarter. I do want to make a few special remarks on Northleaf as we've reached an important milestone this quarter as we near the six-year anniversary of our partnership. First, I do want to highlight how very proud we are of Northleaf's development and success over the last five years. As you can see here, the business has grown at a compound annual rate of approximately 20% over this period and is now two and a half times the size that it was in 2020. the global investment reach across private equity, private credit, and infrastructure asset classes. Importantly, it has also expanded its clientele internationally over this time, reaching a milestone of having the majority of its commitments coming from outside Canada in 2024. The partnership is also helping fuel opportunities across IGM and the broader Power Group ecosystem, and we view private markets as a very important asset class across so many of our business lines. July of this year marks another important milestone in the partnership, As content claimed in 2020 and communicated publicly at that time, the original arrangements include the rights and obligations related to additional equity and voting interest after five years. We could not be more pleased with the series of transactions that we completed in early July, which restructured the original arrangements with two very important outcomes. First, the Northleaf management team will continue to have this consistent, meaningful equity participation in the business over the long term, preserving the strong alignment that has been so important to the success of the partnership. Second, Stuart Vaughan and his leadership team will continue managing Northleaf, focused on serving its investors, and continue to build the business over the long term. And I'll now turn the call over to Keith Potter, and Keith will cover the financial results, and he will also cover the accounting implications as we start consolidating as a consequence of these transactions.

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Keith Potter
Executive Vice President and CFO, IGM Financial

Thank you, Luke, and good morning, everyone. Turning to slide 34, the second quarter delivered strong, broad-based results with adjusted EPS of $1.41, up 32% year-over-year. Reported EPS was $1.12. The main adjusting items were the previously announced restructuring charge and the typical adjustment for Great West Life earnings. Adjustments also include a gain on partial sale of an investment in associate and a mark-to-mark impact of the new Rockefeller management equity program. A few comments on the restructuring charge and our reinvestment priorities. As Damon commented, AI is a foundational technology for the future that will require meaningful investment. We challenge the leadership team to identify structural savings to create capacity for this investment without making it additive to our existing priorities. These savings will be reinvested in people, process, and technology to build comprehensive enterprise AI foundational capabilities and deploy AI responsibly and at scale solutions to make the business stronger and more efficient. The Rockefeller adjusting item related to a new management equity program that aligns management over the long term, which I commented on at a high level during the Q4 call. Under IFRS, the equity program will be expense-based on cash-settled accounting and remeasured quarterly based on their fair value. The impact is $900,000 this quarter. Because the RCM is growing rapidly, we believe future expense will be quite volatile, therefore are excluding it from adjusted results to improve comparability through a period and better reflect performance of the underlying business. And this differs from IGM's other option program where expenses fall off equity settled accounting and are generally expensed on a straight line basis. Turning to capital allocation, we returned $345 million to shareholders in the quarter, including $200 million in share repurchases. We also ended the quarter with unallocated capital, $935 million and reduced our gross debt to EBITDA ratio to 1.25 times, which leaves us with substantial financial flexibility as we continue to return capital to shareholders. Finally, Luke commented on the long-term partnership with Northleaf that we are thrilled with. And as discussed, we've restructured the 2020 arrangement to preserve management equity participation while providing the flexibility to recycle ownership over time as part of succession planning. You will see in the financial statements, we have subsequent event disclosures related to the transactions that closed in July. If you have any questions on the accounting or other points of clarification, please reach out to the investor relations team, including Kyle. There are three things I think you need to know. First, effective July 1st, we will consolidate 100% of Northleaf's revenues, expenses, assets, and liabilities on a line-by-line basis within the asset management segment, with the portion owned by Northleaf Management and Great West presented as non-controlling interests. And as a reference point, we expect our reporting for Northleaf to be similar to how we presented IPC back in 2022, so you can use that as a reference point. Importantly, this is a change in accounting presentation rather than underlying economics or how the business will be managed going forward. Second, as a result of the transaction, McKenzie's economic interest increased slightly from 56% to 60.9%. And lastly, based on current estimates, we do expect to record a non-cash gain of $187 million or $149 million after non-controlling interest in the third quarter. And this gain stems from moving from equity accounting to North Lease consolidation accounting. I'll hit on remaining highlights from the quarter on upcoming slides, including Wealthsimple and capital management transactions. Turning to slide 35, you can see our AUM&A and flow trend. Average AUM&A increased 4.3% relative to Q1. But period-ending assets are up 9.4%, which sets us up well for the third quarter. On slide 36, higher assets at IGM drove revenue growth of 18.6% year-over-year and adjusted EPS up 31.8%. Results were well diversified across wealth management and asset management and across our core businesses as well as strategic investments. Turning to operations and support business development expenses, we are maintaining expense growth guidance of 4%. Slide 37 presents key profitability drivers for IT Wealth Management. On the left, you can see average AUM&A was up 3.9% from last quarter. And on the right, our advisory fee rate decreased 0.6 basis points in line with guidance provided last quarter. And as a reminder, the decreased fee rate was driven by advisors working with clients during the quarter. to reinvest cash into long-term investment solutions. And as a reminder, cash spreads are higher than the standard advisory fee rate. So we expect this to continue in Q3 at a more moderate rate and expect fee rates to come down a quarter to half a basis point. The asset-based compensation rate was up slightly in the quarter and expect a modest increase in Q3. On Flight 38, IG's overall earnings of $174.7 million is a record quarter and up 32.9% year-over-year on revenue growth of 19%, demonstrating strong growth and positive operating leverage in the business for consecutive quarters. On point two, other financial planning revenue continues to demonstrate growth year-over-year, supported by strength in the mortgage and insurance businesses. Other product commissions is up in line with the growth of insurance sales. And as we look forward to Q3, we do expect growth to continue in insurance relative to last year, but perhaps not at the same pace we saw in Q2. With respect to expenses, as I mentioned on the last call, Q2 is a seasonally high quarter and expect expenses to come down in Q3, a seasonal pattern that looks similar to 2024. Moving to McKenzie on slide 39, average AUM was up 4.4% versus Q1, and on the right, the third-party rate excluding Canada Life decreased 3.9 basis points, which is in line with guidance. As a reminder, we had three main items impacting the rate this quarter. First, the success of our strategic partners and institutional onboarding. Second, the impact of previously announced fee changes that became effective April 1st. And third, the non-recurring performance fees earned in Q1 that did not repeat in Q2. As we look to the next quarter, We expect the third-party fee rate excluding Canada Life to decrease approximately 1.5 basis points and the overall third-party rate to decline approximately 0.7 basis points, primarily due to the continued success of these strategic partnerships and the institutional onboarding. And this includes a full quarter of what was onboarded in Q2, as well as new wins we expect to onboard in Q3, which Luke spoke to. Turning to slide 40, McKinsey's earnings of $75.3 million are up 30% year-over-year, and Q2 illustrates the operating leverage in the business with the revenue up 14% and earnings up 30%. Operations support and business development expenses growth came in at 3.4% in line with expectations. Turning to China NC on slide 41, Luke already commented on AOM. And earnings were 43.9 million in Q2, up significantly from Q1 in last year. With strong Q2 performance in the Chinese equity markets, the company did benefit from seed capital fair value gains. And excluding the impact of these gains, earnings would have been in line with Q1 results. Slide 42 has earnings contributions from each company. First, Rockefeller earnings are in line with expectations. Northleaf had earnings of 6.2 million net of non-controlling interest for the quarter. And as part of the Northleaf July transactions, we did receive a $45 million dividend comprising a customary annual dividend and a special dividend representing distribution of excess cash. On slide 43, we continue to make progress against our capital allocation priorities. We returned $345 million in capital shareholders in Q2, which is an all-time high. At the same time, we've maintained $935 million in unallocated capital, and our gross leverage ratio for the quarter is lower at 1.25 times. We also saw the cash dividend payout ratio drop to 53%, excluding the special dividend from Northleaf. And finally, in June, we issued $400 million in debentures and subsequently redeemed debentures, maturing in January of 2027. Because the redemption settled on July 2nd, both the new debt and cash from the issuance are recorded on the balance sheet for Q2. We present that our unallocated capital and leverage ratios on the slide net of the redemption that settled on July 2nd, which is the comparable baseline for Q3. Turning to 44, IGN's indicative value is approximately $94 per share. And as a reminder, we derive the indicative value of our core operating companies from a diversified group of wealth managers for IG and asset managers for McKinsey as the market closed on July 24th. In the quarter, we increased the fair value of Wealthsimple from $2.26 billion to $2.59 billion. The company performed exceptionally well, as you've heard, with record net flows of $17 billion Q2 and AUM growth of over $30 billion Q2. The fair value considers Wealthsimple's business performance for having upward revisions to revenue expectations, and we also consider public peer valuations, as well as the third-party transactions that closed at the end of last year. The value of Northleaf has been adjusted to reflect the transactions that took place in July at fair market value. That will end our prepared remarks, and we'll open the call for questions.

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Conference Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. To join the question queue, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. You'll hear a tone acknowledging your request. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing any keys. To authorize your question, please press star then two. We'll pause momentarily as callers join the queue. Thank you for your patience. And our first question comes from John Akin from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

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John Akin
Analyst, Jefferies

Good morning, Damon. A couple of questions on the AI strategy. I was wondering, the Cigar AI fund, you said that has benefits. Is this just being able to take a look at what the companies are doing that Cigar is investing in that you get access to as an investor? Is that the theory behind that?

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Yes, John. That's one of the benefits is to get access to companies that are excelling in the AI field and their leadership and and learn from them, but it's much broader than that. When you think of it, it's much like Portage on the fintech side, and you take a look at example IG and the number of commercial partnerships we have with fintech companies, the majority of them stem from Portage. So there's an opportunity for both McKinsey and IG to work with Severity Highest Fund and talk about our strategy and where we wanna go, and for them to align the companies that they're invested in with where we want to be so that we can ultimately drive both top lines.

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John Akin
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you. And then you mentioned broader, I guess, integration in with the power group of companies. Can you let me know in terms of is this just scaling, cost-effectiveness, or is there actually learning that you can get from the various companies to import into IGM?

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

So I just want to confirm your question. So broader relationship with PowerPro from Google companies?

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John Akin
Analyst, Jefferies

With the AI strategy, yes.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Oh, gotcha. Okay, yes. Yeah, so, yeah, 100%. So one of the benefits of being in the Power ecosystem is that you get to learn from a number of different leadership teams, a number of different organizations. So whether it's Portage on the fintech side or Diagram on the fintech side, they are two different types of fintech. companies under Cigard, their private asset management arm under Cigard, or now under the Cigard AI Fund, we get to benefit from that, both Luke and IG and IGM, to work with these companies. The connectivity is thought leadership. It's learning from their leadership teams and how they're thinking about things, not just today, but about the future, so that as we envision our future, we can ensure that there's a little bit of alignment And then talking about how we can fill our gaps. Ultimately, we would come to them with business problems, and they would come back with a FinTech or IAI solution to help fit that gap.

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Conference Operator

Fantastic. Thanks, Damon. I'll read you. Our next question comes from Scott Fletcher from CIBC. Please go ahead. Hi.

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Scott Fletcher
Analyst, CIBC

Good morning. I wanted to ask a question on the institutional awards and the pipeline for what that could look like going forward. I think you've obviously had some great success attracting those assets, but curious whether there's more to come there or if this is sort of a good opportunity at this point in time.

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

Thanks, Scott. This is Bill. We mentioned we've had some awards for the past quarters funding Q1 and Q2, and now the awards at Q2. We're roughly $5 billion. Most of it's going to fund during Q4 and Q1. The fees are respectable. If you look at slide 39, somewhere between the high number on that page, which is the overall through-price fee rate, and the low with IG and Canada Life based on their scale. The Q2 awards really reflect a lot of what's in the pipeline for us that we're working on. The Q2 awards were a function of many clients. A lot of large sovereign wealth funds, public pensions, traditional institutional, sub-financial institutions. So many clients, many mandates. It reflected awards to four of our teams. The largest part of that is obviously Quad right now, where we do have a very compelling story. And yeah, so we're heading into the back half of the year. The pipeline is feeling very good. And yeah, we've certainly got enough to fuel us into 2026 and into 2027.

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Scott Fletcher
Analyst, CIBC

Okay, that's really helpful, Colin. Thanks. And then staying with the asset management side, on the changes you made at McKinsey, just wondering if there's potential for additional operating leverage looking forward in that segment, or if this is a case similar to the June announcement where savings you'd have, any savings you'd generate there would be reinvested in the sort of AI or other, you know, efficiencies

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

Yeah, I'm basically into the changes we made. So those changes were made in May. So those are Q2 changes. We have declared a large part of them is really reinvesting in talent and technology to improve our platform over time and our competitiveness and offering leverage. You know, that's one of the features of McKinsey's P&L. We've got a lot of operating leverage here. You can see that in our Q2 earnings growth of 30% year over year. And so, yeah, as the business scales, there's a lot of leverage in it.

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Conference Operator

Okay, thanks. Bye-bye. The next question comes from Tom McKinnon from BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Tom McKinnon
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Yeah, thanks very much. Good morning here. Just a question with respect to China AMC. The industry shows 14% growth in last year in terms of assets, yet China AMC is just up 2%. I think you had mentioned strong performance, so it's just what's driving all the money coming out of China AMC versus what may not be the same kind of net flow issue with respect to the investment fund industry. And then, if you can help me understand the seed capital gain, or the seed gains you got out of China AMC, just kind of given the fact that there hasn't really been a lot of growth in the assets. Is it just really good performance, but everybody's just taking their money out of China AMC? Thanks.

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

Yeah, good question. And after I'll I'll actually address some of the same, you know, referring to the transcript from Q1 as well. So over time, and by time means the last three years, it's been reported China's national team has engaged in a market stabilization program, and the way that they did that was by investing in past VTFs with a number of providers, and China Inc. was one of those. What we saw in Q1, and again in Q2, In Q1, based upon the strength of equity markets during the fourth quarter, we did see the national team, and it was reported the national team removed about half of the investment that they had in passive ETFs, and that impacted China MC, given that they have leading market share, and they would have been about 20% to 25% of that activity. And then once again in Q2, equity markets in China increased by 10% in the second quarter, As a consequence of that, the national team did reduce its holdings of passive equity ETFs further. I don't have transparency as to what's left there, but what I would say is we view this as real signs of confidence. Based upon that activity, it is really a bullish sign. The equity market is improving and really the stabilization money is coming out. On the seed capital, it reflects those same trends. Equity markets brought 10% in the quarter, and the seed capital and the balance sheet of China MC participate in that. Does that make sense? As far as the main headline is, because of China MC's leadership in past VTFs and the participation that they enjoyed as part of this stabilization program, that's what explains the outflow in Q1 and Q2.

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Tom McKinnon
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

No, that's very helpful. And another question with respect to just any kind of guide as to how the advisory fee rate might be given to kind of what you think it would be at IG Wealth for the next quarter. How should that be trending over the next 24 months, if you will, just continued pressure? And same with the third party excluding Canada Life. fee rates that you've provided a guide just for the third quarter, but how should we be thinking about that line going forward? Thanks.

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Keith Potter
Executive Vice President and CFO, IGM Financial

Hi, Tom. It's Keith here. I'll start with the IG advisory fee rate. Really what's been driving the fee rate the last quarter and this quarter is the move from cash into long-term investment solutions. I think we'll see a bit more of that in Q3 and Q4. And then we have distributions at the end of the year where cash increases again, so you'll see that rise. I would guide to, as I mentioned, a quarter to half a basis point coming down in Q3 and probably less so in Q4. And we also did take some, just adjusted how we managed the advisory fee rate. There was that auto reset that we've moved away from to provide more stability in the rate. So we think a lot of that change is going to come from just the change in cash. But as we do acquire more high net worth clients, they're generally going to have lower fee rates, but I don't think you're going to see as much pressure on that rate as what you've seen over the past couple of years. At McKinsey, the fee rate that we're seeing in the... third-party rate, I mean, it's really been driven by institutional onboarding. And if you just neutralize that, you know, the only other real question in the feed rate is the mix between mutual funds and ETS, where we don't charge an advice, sorry, an admin fee on the ETS. But as that rate comes down with more institutional onboarding, it's going to come with more revenue.

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Conference Operator

Great.

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Tom McKinnon
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Thanks.

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Conference Operator

The next question comes from Brent Diyarsky from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Keith

Great. Thanks for taking my question, and good morning, everyone. I wanted to just ask around kind of capital allocation framework. So, you know, you're ramping up the buybacks and dividends paid, but leverage keeps ticking down, and you're at about 1.25 on the gross basis. Is that the right leverage ratio we should be thinking about, you know, maybe longer term or – Can we see that leverage ratio continue to take down, or maybe would you look to increase it? Thanks.

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Keith Potter
Executive Vice President and CFO, IGM Financial

Yeah, I know it's Keith here, and I think we've, you know, said in the past we're pretty comfortable with a debt to EBITDA ratio that's, you know, is under, in the long term, you know, it stays under two times. We have a lot of flexibility here. You know, to the extent there's an opportunity that, that came up. It does provide us with significant flexibility. So I wouldn't say we're out of the target. We're not planning to bring it down. It's just happening with the performance of our business and the growth in EBITDA.

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Keith

Okay. Thanks, Keith. And then just on Rockefeller, so we're seeing the organic growth kind of decelerating, but then the inorganic growth is accelerating. So could you maybe unpack those trends and with the inorganic advisors you're bringing on, where are you bringing them on from, and maybe geographically, and I know it's in within the U.S., but maybe you could dive into those details. Thanks.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Yeah, it's David. I'll start. What you'll notice with Rockefeller is it's seasonal. Q2 tended to be a slower season for organic growth at that firm, so that was true for this year. And on the inorganic side, I mean, they have a very unique offering In a country where there's a lot of conglomerates that are asking, you know, wire house advisors to focus on a lot of different things, Rockefeller brings not just an iconic brand but a chance for corner office investment advisors to focus on what they do best and then surround them with the services that come from with the oldest and the largest family office and multifamily office in the world. And that's quite compelling. So they're very targeted on who they select for their offerings. And they're focused on staffing up in the offices where they have a presence. And they have a number of offices across the country. Their goal is not to be everywhere. It's to be very specific as to where they feel like their advisors can truly build the brand and build up a significant amount of ultra-high net worth clientele. I mean, that organization is built to service clients from $25 million to $100 million, $200 million. And that's exactly what they're doing.

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Keith

Got it. Helpful, Damon. Thanks.

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Conference Operator

The next question comes from Graham Riding from TD Securities. Please go ahead.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Good morning. Just as a follow-on, does Rockefeller have a presence in Canada, and if not, does it make sense to consider this market? So Rockefeller obviously does not have a presence in Canada right now. They're clearly focused on continuing to build their footprint in the U.S. They do believe they have a long runway. As I said, they have a number of offices, and they focus on opening an office and then scaling that office one by one. So that's what their strategy is focused on right now. I do not see that deviating in the short term. You never say never as it relates to Canada, but I know that they're clearly focused on the U.S.

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Jamie Goyne
Analyst, National Bank Capital Markets

Okay, great.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Luke, just on the China AMC piece, Do you have a visibility on what the flows in the quarter would have been if this government intervention was not a factor?

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

Yeah, I think close to, add an extra $600 or $700 billion more to the Q2 result.

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Jamie Goyne
Analyst, National Bank Capital Markets

Okay, so you would have had positive flows then?

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

You're saying for us or the industry?

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Jamie Goyne
Analyst, National Bank Capital Markets

For you, yeah, for you.

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Kyle Martins
Senior Vice President, Corporate Development and Investor Relations

It would be slight net positives.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Okay, that's helpful. The value that you show for Northleaf in your sum of the price, is that pro forma, the incremental 5% stake that you've acquired?

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Keith Potter
Executive Vice President and CFO, IGM Financial

No, that would be just the 56% ownership. So we'll be increasing that next quarter to reflect the 60.9%.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Okay, understood. And then my last question is, Damon, IG Wealth, you've sort of been trending at a 1.5% roughly net flows rate since about the beginning of 2025. Is that an appropriate level for the IG Wealth platform, or would you want to target a growth rate above this? Yeah, I would say that that is an appropriate level for where we are today, where the markets are. When the markets have been flying for the last three and a half years, And our new client acquisition has been very, very strong. But generally what happens is there's a lot of apathy from advisors and from clients to move because everyone's making money. I think when you look over a normal market cycle, I would expect the 1.5% to increase over time given the value that we're providing to the marketplace and ultimately the demand for the type of advice that we provide is there. So I would say for the market cycle, part of the market cycle we're in right now, we're very well placed and we'll continue to have this strong momentum, but I expect it to increase over time.

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Conference Operator

Okay, great. That's it for me. Thank you. Once again, if you have a question, please press star, then one. And our next question comes from Jamie Goyne from National Bank Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Jamie Goyne
Analyst, National Bank Capital Markets

Yeah, thanks. First question just on the Wealthsimple revaluation. Can you break down the driver of that valuation between the strong performance of Wealthsimple and the valuation of public peers you mentioned? And if you could, who are those public peers that you're focused on when looking at the Wealthsimple valuation marks?

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Keith Potter
Executive Vice President and CFO, IGM Financial

Hi, James. It's Keith here. Maybe I'll just kind of step back and a little bit of a broad view of valuation. I mean, the first thing we would look to would be, is there a third-party transaction in Wealthsimple? And there were two that closed in Q4, and we think it's still a relevant mark to look to. A big driver, I would say, for the reset here is just the performance of Wealthsimple, to your question about, you know, why the reset here. When you look at Q1, Q2 performance for the business, it does... drive to re-forecast cash flows. AUA up 25% in the quarter, $30 billion in the quarter with net flows, and really since the last fair value mark, assets are up over $50 billion. So that's clearly a key driver. To your point, we do look at peer multiples and how peer multiples are trading. When you look at Wealthsimple's business, it is unique. It's a Canadian-based business. It's a very well diversified business. You know, they have an invest platform. They have a trade platform. They have a crypto platform. They have a checking and save platform. And so they're pretty broad relative to any, you know, call it monoline peer group. You know, just to demonstrate the performance of the company where they're moving, in Q2, they opened up more new checking accounts and then they did investment accounts. So that just demonstrates the diversity of Wealthsimple. So in the peer group, we would look to a variety. Obviously, a lot of folks point to Robinhood. There's certain similarities there. There's eToro. There's Interactive Broker, but there's many others as well. So we would look at a pretty diverse group of peers. And so when you kind of look at where the business performed where peer multiples are. We look back to the key metrics that existed at the time of these third-party transactions that really drove the increase in value of 15% this quarter.

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Jamie Goyne
Analyst, National Bank Capital Markets

Thank you. Very detailed. The second question is just on the unallocated capital. You're continuing to buy back shares aggressively, but that unallocated capital at close to a billion, and it's been this way the last few quarters, so elevated versus, I want to say, where you would prefer to have it and where we've seen it in the past. So, what's the strategy for that? Is it to continue to accelerate buybacks at these levels, or are you just going to be comfortable holding that in that excess cash for other purposes, I guess?

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Keith Potter
Executive Vice President and CFO, IGM Financial

Yeah, James, it's Keith here again. Yeah, after the first quarter, Half the year, we were just under 50% of the NCIB for the total year, so you can expect us to continue to repurchase shares. When you look at the repurchase level, $200 million this quarter and a dividend of $145 million, that's in excess of the cash flow we're generating, so I think you will see excess or the unallocated capital come down over Q3 and Q4, but our focus is going to be on repurchasing shares We do expect to have a pretty reasonable balance of unallocated capital at the end of the year, which gives us flexibility as we head into 2027. Okay, thank you.

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Conference Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Damon Vercherson for any closing remarks.

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Damon Murchison
President and CEO, IGM Financial and IG Wealth Management

Thank you, Jason. Let me close on three points. First off, IG Wealth and McKinsey have distinct strengths, strong momentum, and significant room to grow. Second, our strategic investments expand and diversify our growth opportunity and add additional sources of long-term value to IGM. And third, our financial strength and cash generation allow us to invest in profitable growth opportunities within our business while continuing to return capital to shareholders. We will judge our progress through better client and advisor engagement and outcomes, profitable growth, and stronger earnings. I want to thank our employees and our advisors for their hard work and our clients for their trust. Thank you for joining us today and for your continued interest in IGM, and I hope you have a nice rest of your summer.

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Conference Operator

This brings to a close today's conference. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day.

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