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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Killam Apartment Real Estate Investment Trust Second Quarter 2026 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all lines are in listen-only mode. Following the presentation, we will conduct a question and answer session. If at any time during this call you require assistance, please press star zero for the operator. This call is being recorded on August 6, 2026. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Philip Frazier, President and CEO. Please go ahead.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Thank you. Good morning, and thank you for joining Killam Apartment REIT's second quarter 2026 conference call.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

I'm here today with Robert Richardson, Executive Vice President, Dale Noseworthy, Chief Financial Officer, and Aaron Cleveland, Senior Vice President of Finance. Lives to accompany today's call are available on the investment relations section of our website under events and presentations. I will now ask Erin to read her cautionary statement.

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Erin
Cautionary Statement Reader

Thank you, Philip. This presentation may contain forward-looking statements with respect to Killam Apartment REIT and its operations, strategy, financial performance conditions or otherwise. The actual results and performance of Killam discussed here today could differ materially from those expressed or implied by such statements. Such statements involve numerous inherent risks and uncertainties, and although Killam management believes that the expectations reflected in the forward-looking statements are reasonable, there can be no assurance that future results, levels of activity, performance, or achievements will occur as anticipated. For further information about the inherent risks and uncertainties in respect to forward-looking statements, please refer to Killam's most recent annual information form and other securities regulatory filings found online on CDAR+. All forward-looking statements made today speak only as of the date which this presentation refers, and Killam does not intend to update or revise any such statements unless otherwise required by applicable securities laws.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Thank you, Erin. We are very pleased with our operating results from the second quarter of 2026. We achieved 3% same property NOI growth across the portfolio, which included 4.6% same property NOI growth in our apartment portfolios. Our portfolio continues to demonstrate resilience supported by strong demand for our apartments. Our Atlantic Canada markets continue to be our strongest markets and the driver of our outperformance this year. Same property apartment occupancy at the end of the second quarter was 97.6% up from 97% in Q1. The increased federal defense spending commitments are positive for a number of our markets. We are already seeing increased economic activity across their portfolio, reinforcing our confidence in the region's long-term growth outlook. Dale will now take us through our financial results, followed by Robert, who will discuss rental market fundamentals. I will conclude with an update on our capital allocation strategy. I will now hand it over to Dale.

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Phil. Key highlights of Killam's Q2 financial performance can be found on slide 2. Killam delivered strong operating performance in the quarter, including 3.8% same-property apartment revenue growth. The weighted average rental increase on renewed and turned apartment units shown on slide 3 was 3.6%, consistent with the first quarter. Increases averaged 5% on unit turns and 3% on renewals. As shown on slide four, in-place rents remain approximately 10% below current market rents across the portfolio. This marked market opportunity together with sustained demand and high occupancy provides a visible runway for continued revenue growth. These fundamentals reinforce our confidence in the portfolio's ability to perform and support our same property apartment revenue growth target of at least 3.5% for the year. Turning to expenses, apartment same property expenses were up 2.1%, while operating expenses for the same property consolidated portfolio increased by 1.9%, as shown on slide 5. We remain confident in our 2026 NOI growth targets, which were raised in Q1, of achieving at least 3.5% for the apartment portfolio and 2.5% for the consolidated portfolio. FFO was $39.6 million in the quarter, a 0.5% increase from Q2 2025, while FFO per unit was unchanged at $0.32. Same property NOI growth, contributions from the CARIC, and lower administrative costs were offset by higher interest expense and the temporary earnings impact of the Westmount Place vacancy following the departure of a large office tenant on April 1st. The Westmount vacancy reduced Q2 FFO by approximately 900,000. Excluding this impact, FFO per unit would have increased 2.3% quarter over quarter. While this near-term vacancy tempered per unit growth, it reflects a temporary transition period as we reposition Westmount Place. We expect the redevelopment and releasing program to begin contributing to FFO growth in 2028. Our balance sheet remains well positioned, with debt metrics highlighted on slide six. Total debt as a percentage of total assets was 42.8% at June 30th. Subsequent to quarter end, Killam completed the disposition of a portion of our Ontario MHC portfolio, and net proceeds were applied against the credit facility. Following this transaction, debt as a percentage of total assets improved by 60 basis points to 42.2%. As of June 30th, our total weighted average mortgage interest rate was 3.62%. Approximately 95% of our apartment mortgages are CMHC insured, which remains an important competitive advantage providing access to lower cost long-term financing relative to other asset classes. Looking at our debt maturity profile on slide seven, the path toward more stable interest expense growth is in sight. Apartment mortgages maturing in 2028 and 2029 would be renewed at rates similar to or lower than the current rates of 4% and 3.7% respectively. With less pressure on interest expense, we expect a greater portion of NOI growth to flow through to FFO. Combined with continued same property NOI growth, the stabilization of recently completed developments and the benefit of NCIB activity We expect strong per unit earnings growth in the future. I will now turn it over to Robert.

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Robert Richardson
Executive Vice President

Thank you, Dale, and good morning, everyone. Our Q2 results reinforce the strength of Killam's Atlantic Canadian platform. High occupancy, sustained rent growth, and limited incentive activity continues to support same, strong, same property performance. while major defense-related investment in Halifax and across the region provides a durable long-term demand backdrop. Atlantic Canada continues to be Kiln's strongest performing region, supported by high occupancy and above-average rental rate growth. As shown on slide 8, Q2 occupancy remained above 98% across our Atlantic portfolio. Halifax, our largest market, continues to deliver particularly strong results. In Q2, Halifax same property apartment revenue increased 6.3%, while same property apartment net operating income increased to 7%. We also believe the region's growing defense presence represents a significant long-term advantage for Killam. Please refer to the map on slide nine, which highlights the locations of these investments. Halifax is home to Canadian Forces Base, Halifax, Canada's largest military base by personnel with a combined 10,000 military and civilian employees on site. Nova Scotia is expected to receive approximately $2 billion in defense-related investment with CFB Halifax and CFB Greenwood receiving most of that capital. An additional $1 billion is expected to be invested across Atlantic Canada with CFB Gagetown located near Fredericton receiving the vast majority of those funds. Slide 10 provides additional detail on the National Shipbuilding Strategy, a cornerstone of Canada's defense program. Halifax remains the primary beneficiary of this initiative. Established in 2013, the program awarded Irving Shipbuilding the contract to modernize Canada's combat fleet at the Halifax shipyard, where more than 3,000 people are employed today. Most recently, Canada awarded the largest defense procurement contract in its history to ThyssenKrupp Marine Systems for the construction and long-term maintenance of up to 12 submarines. Six of these vessels are expected to be permanently stationed and serviced at CFB Halifax. This represents a $24 billion procurement with an estimated national economic impact of up to $86 billion over the next 30 to 50 years. The first submarines are expected to arrive in Halifax beginning in 2034. In summary, with more than 5,700 apartment units in Halifax alone, we view Atlantic Canada as a differentiated competitive advantage within Killam's portfolio. I'd also like to provide additional commentary on 50 Westmount Place, as Sun Life's decision to vacate approximately 200,000 square feet at the start of Q2 weighed on same property NOI growth this quarter. Fortunately, due to its exceptional location, we believe 50 West Mountain represents a compelling repositioning opportunity. Our plan is to transform the property into a mixed-use destination, combining retail, office, and dining uses. The redevelopment will be completed in three phases with full completion expected in late 2028. This phased approach allows us to reposition the asset over time while continuing to advance leasing, design, and tenant mix decisions in a disciplined manner. While a reposition will take some time, we expect the property to begin contributing meaningfully to earnings in 2028. With that, I'll hand it back to Philip to discuss Kiln's capital recycling and capital allocation strategy.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Thank you, Robert. Capital recycling remains a key focus during the second quarter and is a very important source of funding. On August the 4th, we completed the disposition of a portfolio of Ontario manufactured home communities containing approximately 746 sites for gross proceeds of $50.9 million. The portfolio consists of eight year-round communities in one seasonal park with an average rent of $507 per month and an exit cap rate of approximately 5.9%. Net proceeds after debt were approximately $40 million. In addition, we have a Nova Scotia portfolio of nine MHC communities containing roughly 1,300 sites under agreement of purchase and sale and is expected to close in Q3. and a large 3,000-site portfolio of seasonal and year-round MHCs under contract with an expectation of closing in Q4 2026. Proceeds from dispositions in refinancing maturing first mortgage debt allows flexibility to allocate capital between NCIP repurchases, debt reductions, acquisitions, and development opportunities. During the quarter, Killam allocated $31.3 million towards its NCIB activity, repurchasing 1.7 million trust units for cancellation. Year-to-date, through the end of July, Killam has repurchased a total of 2.7 million trust units, representing more than $49.2 million of capital to unit repurchase shown on slide three. We intend to continue unit repurchases as a key component of our capital allocation strategy during the second half of 2026. In Waterloo, Ontario, Brightwood, our newest development, reached substantial completion on June the 1st, 2026, ahead of schedule and below budget, at a total development cost of $55.1 million. The 128-unit property is currently 45% leased and is expected to reach stabilization occupancy in early 2027. Photos of the completed property can be seen on slide 14. Eventide, our 55-unit development in Halifax, on slide 15, remains on track for completion in Q4 2026 and is currently 22% pre-leased. We also maintain a 10% interest in Nolan Hill Phase III in Calgary, which is expected to be completed in the second half of 2027. In the current environment, we continue to prioritize flexibility with balanced sheet strength and the highest return capital allocation opportunities. To conclude, we are very pleased with our second quarter operating performance and the progress made across our strategic priorities listed on slide 17. We delivered strong apartment NOI growth completed Brightwood ahead of schedule, advanced our westbound place repositioning plans, and remain active under our NCIB, and continue to execute on capital recycling. I would like to thank our employees for their continued hard work and dedication.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Thank you. We will now open up the call for questions.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now begin the question and answer session. Should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touch-tone phone. You will hear a prompt that your hand has been raised. Should you wish to decline from the polling process, please press the star followed by the two. If you are using a speakerphone, please lift the handset before pressing any key. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Jonathan Kelcher with TD Cohen. Please go ahead.

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Jonathan Kelcher

Thanks. Good morning. First question, just on the same property NOI on the apartment side. I know you didn't officially raise your target for the year, but is there any reason to think that it won't stay above 4% in the back half of the year? Are you just sort of concerned about weather in Q4? Would that be the bogey?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Utilities would be the bogey. Just a reminder, we had a hefty increase in water rates in Nova Scotia that was approved earlier this year. So in the third quarter, those are up about 18%, the rates alone. So that's something we are modeling in, as well as Q4 on the NACA side.

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Jonathan Kelcher

Okay, fair enough. And then for 2027, I don't recall if you've got, like you've You put in the MD&A that you expect similar apartments, same property, NOI growth. That seems kind of early to be putting something like that out. What's kind of driving that?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Certainly the mark-to-market that we have when we look at our ability to increase rents, the strength in the occupancy. So when we look at top line and we have insight generally into renewals, We're still seeing strength in terms of our ability to get rental growth on turns. We're seeing a reduced pressure on lower rates in some markets, including Alberta and Ontario in the last quarter. So when we look out, we do expect that that should be more moderated. And on the expense side, that does factor in a reasonable amount of expense growth. So the outlook could change, but as of now, We are expecting similar growth next year.

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Jonathan Kelcher

Perfect. And then just lastly on Westmount, it looks like you're a little bit further along in your planning. Do you have a budgeted cost for the transformation there? And are you still targeting? I think at one point you were targeting a million dollars in NOI when all is said and done.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Jonathan, the million dollars of NOI?

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Jonathan Kelcher

Yeah, I may have that wrong. I can go back and look.

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Robert Richardson
Executive Vice President

Okay. And the first part of the question?

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

The cost for this year and next year.

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Robert Richardson
Executive Vice President

Yeah, the cost. So we're between $15 and $20 million is where we're looking at this point. And so far, the demolition quotes have come in actually favorably. So that's good to see. And we're well on our way.

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Phil

Okay, thanks. I'll turn it back.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Your next question comes from Seyram Sreenivas with ATD Cormac Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Seyram Sreenivas

Thank you, Arvinda. So going back to your comment on the MHC disposition post-quarter, would you say the value of these dispositions is pretty much in line with the IFRS value? And even for the dispositions going ahead, would they be in line with what you expected?

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Sorry, could you just repeat that first part of the question about the sales of the MHCs?

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Seyram Sreenivas

Yeah, so looking at the MHC dispositions announced post-quarter, would you say they're fairly in line with where you carry them at books at Q2? And going ahead to the comments you made about potential dispositions coming in, would they be somewhere in line there as well? Yes.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Yes.

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Seyram Sreenivas

Okay. Maybe looking at more near-term leases that have been in a drag overall, how should we be thinking about the cadence of this drag coming in, and do you see that heading down into the second half of next year?

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Phil

The drag on the turn on new releases, just to clarify your question?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Yes. We do see it lessening, and looking forward to expect it to to moderate, likely flat in the second half of next year, maybe earlier in terms of the terms closer to flat rents, I would say, rather than negative for those shorter, like, nearer-term leases.

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Aaron Cleveland
Senior Vice President of Finance

But we expect, like, the overall increase on turn to be generally in line with what we have seen. Absolutely.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Okay. Thanks, guys. I'll be right back.

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Phil

Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

The next question comes from Jimmy Shan with RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Jimmy Shan

Thanks, good morning. So the positive leasing momentum, is that continuing to July and early August?

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

We can't, can you repeat that question, Jimmy?

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Jimmy Shan

I'm just curious if the occupancy has further improved since the end of the quarter.

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Aaron Cleveland
Senior Vice President of Finance

So since July, we saw a little bit of a dip in occupancy, but we're expecting to see that come back. Maybe not to the exact level we saw in May and June. It was very strong in the second quarter. So overall, probably a little bit down from what we saw in the second quarter, but still strong.

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Jimmy Shan

Okay.

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Aaron Cleveland
Senior Vice President of Finance

And it's really just localized in a certain student-based asset and predominantly in the London area.

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Jimmy Shan

Okay. And likewise, on the rental incentives, do you see that now that occupancy is over 97%, do you see that plateauing or even trending down a little bit?

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Aaron Cleveland
Senior Vice President of Finance

Yeah, we actually, in July, have seen it trend down slightly month over month, so we're hoping to see that continue.

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Jimmy Shan

Okay. To follow up on the Westmount question, so you're spending $15 million to $20 million in rental costs. What's your expectation again in terms of projected NOI once everything is done?

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Basically, when Sunlight was there, we were hitting about $5.2 million in NOI. And with the subtractions of space to create more sort of parking in front of the building, and then the addition that we're putting on of retail and changing the mix from 100% office to a big chunk of it being retail with a higher sort of net rent, we think that basically it might be about $200,000, $300,000 less over that period of time once it's fully leased up. But it also creates, the flip side of that is that it creates another 80,000 square feet of space that's not gonna be on like a building footprint, and the thoughts are in phases two and three that there's going to be more retail built at the other side of the parking lot.

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Jimmy Shan

Okay. Okay. And then just lastly on the NCIB, I know, Phil, you mentioned that continues to be a priority for you. You expect the same pace of NCIB activity in Q2 on a go-forward basis?

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Phil

Really depends on pricing.

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

The last month, you know, continuing to trade below 19, we remained active. So in these levels, we would expect to continue to be very active.

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Phil

Thank you. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

The next question comes from Mario Saric with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.

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Mario Saric

Hi, good morning. Just maybe coming back to the occupancy and just looking at slide three of the call deck, which is great disclosure. I think you mentioned that July occupancy may dip a little bit versus June. But if we go back historically, if you go back 20 years, typically Q3 occupancy is greater than Q2 occupancy. And I guess that kind of adjusts for some of the seasonality associated with the student building that you mentioned. Is that the expectation for this year, for Q3, September end occupancy to be higher than Q2?

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Aaron Cleveland
Senior Vice President of Finance

I expect probably September, end of September occupancy probably to be generally in line with Q2. Not necessarily higher. It really did peak. It abnormally peaked kind of in that second quarter compared to historical trends.

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Mario Saric

Okay. And what would you...

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

What do you think drove the abnormal peak earlier in the quarter?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

You know, if we took out those few properties Aaron mentioned, we would still be pretty hot. It is still pretty high. I don't mean to say our occupancy is still very strong, but those London is a market that is our most challenging at the moment. some of those student-focused ones, and it's about there is some new supply in that market. So that's part of that. So if you took out those few properties, you'd likely be looking quite stable.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Yeah. I mean, we're talking about 180 mil, and we've owned that building for 10 to 15 years or more. And we've seen this trend multiple times as the trend of every four years or if there's new supply around there that it kind of dips out. over the summer, but it comes back throughout the year. So it's just a seasonality and a function of that market.

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Mario Saric

Okay. And then when I look at that slide, if you look at the top chart, the line on the top chart, it generally kind of correlates with the bars on the bottom chart, meaning kind of the higher the occupancy goes, the better your lease spreads are, which is relatively intuitive. So with the occupancy level kind of having come up and expected to kind of stay at the level that it is by the end of September, would you say that your renewal and new lease spreads have troughed at this point?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

I think new lease spreads, we're going to see similar spreads. going forward. It's a bit of a different market that when a few years ago when occupancy was super high and there was a balance between how do we, you know, pushing rents versus occupancy. Now we are favoring occupancy. We do want to get the most rent we can get, but because of new supply in certain markets, we can't just sit there and wait for the higher rent. We'll end up with vacant units for longer in many markets. So It's a balancing act, but overall, what we've seen this year, we feel can continue for the next 12 to 18 months that we have in sight.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

And that would be the case for new renewal spreads as well?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Release, yes. They're bumping around a little bit, but no sizable moves are expected.

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Mario Saric

Okay, and then just maybe the last one, a general question on kind of the defense spending in Atlantic Canada. I don't know if you've come across it in terms of, we see all the projects that you highlight and some of them are quite substantial, but in terms of the cadence of expected employment growth coming from those projects, have you seen anything that kind of gives the expected job growth

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

over the next 10 years coming from these initiatives?

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Robert Richardson
Executive Vice President

Mario, we don't have that information. We do have the list of what's going to be invested here, and it's going to be over $110 billion. And the numbers are so large, it's almost like it's fanciful. But the reality is this work is started on every one of these. There's 10 projects I have in front of me, and every one of them is underway. So it's going to happen. I don't know the whole multiplier. I was thinking about it when I was in school. They talked about government spending and how it flows through the marketplace. And we're seeing it and our occupancy shows it. And so I think that that's pretty important. And then I was curious. I did a little looping myself. And I said, I asked Chad GPT to go and do a little work. find all the projects in Atlantic Canada, 50 million or more, that are not related to the defense. And it came back with $30 billion. So, for example, in Halifax right now, we have a $7 billion bill with our new hospital. There's more work to be done on Churchill, and so that's a couple of billion in Newfoundland. And there's... You know, every province has additional things on the go. So it really is an incredible tailwind that we find ourselves in right now.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

I mean, Miriam, as an example, to get a little bit of real data to your question, the Irving Shipyard now has been going on for 15 plus years, thousands of people working there. And lucky Meriden, one of the larger subcontractors for that sort of program of the frigates, and being built, they basically came out and said they expect to hire another 300 people just to sort of match and keep up with the contracts they have for the river class battleships that are starting to be built in that shipyard. So there's a lot of these defense contractors that are here or will be coming here and they have huge sort of demand for the employment base that they're gonna need to help service all the real dollars being spent by the federal government. Yeah.

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Phil

Okay. Thanks for the call. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

The next question comes from Kyle Stanley, Desjardins Securities. Please go ahead.

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Kyle Stanley

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. You did some pretty attractively priced mortgage refinancing and then up financing so far in the first half. Is the expectation that the proceeds from the up financing, you know, again, you know, I think roughly a 3.7% rate, which is pretty attractive, I guess, versus maybe where rates are headed, you know, in the last couple of weeks. Will those proceeds be used to repay the maturities in the back half, kind of locking in that better rate than you can kind of get in today's environment?

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Aaron Cleveland
Senior Vice President of Finance

I guess to date, most of those refis have been used for the NCIB program and just kind of our ongoing operations. In terms of repayments, I don't think we'd be looking specifically to any apartment mortgage repayments in the back half of the year. But obviously, depending on what happens with rates, we'll keep an eye on it.

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Kyle Stanley

Okay, fair enough. And then just over to Eventide. How is the lease up progressing there? Obviously, I understand it's still very early, but just given the kind of supply environment in Halifax and the competitive pressures at the upper end of the market, I'm just curious how delivering a new project is going today and maybe where incentives might be and just a general view of how that's progressing.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Well, I think I can honestly say that we're a little disappointed and the speed of it being finishing up over the last few months. And we're still having fingers crossed that we'll be able to have it complete and people will be able to move in the 1st of October or the 1st of November. That said, the good news is it's only 55 units. The location is absolutely great and the pre-leasing has been very strong. I think if it was open now, we'd have it basically well over half, if not three-quarters full. Today, we're sitting at in the mid-20s, and there's leasing activity that's coming in on a weekly basis. We're just about ready to be able to have a show suite available to take people through. But that's one building I'm pretty sure is going to have a fairly fast lease-up, and the rates are holding from a pro forma calculation.

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Kyle Stanley

Okay, thank you. So I guess in that scenario, maybe not fully reflective of the market, if you were delivering a new build elsewhere, this one, do you think location is one of the biggest drivers?

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

It's the location. It's like, again, I'm sure you've seen it or know where the location is. It's just off Spring Garden. It's sort of a quiet cul-de-sac in, across the street is our building. And literally, What Robert said, this expansion of the hospitals, this $8.8 billion, is about a seven-minute walk to it through a graveyard. And on the other side, you basically have the medical school and all the sort of university-related employment facilities plus Dalhousie. So it's in a really good location.

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Kyle Stanley

Okay. No, that makes sense. And I do remember seeing it before. So I... I believe it. That's it for me. I'll turn it back. Thanks. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

The next question comes from Matt Cornack with National Bank of Canada Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

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Matt Cornack

Morning, guys. Maybe first, Dale, for the MHC and commercial mortgages that you have, I think it's $110 million at almost a 5% interest rate. Would the bulk of that be on the MHC portfolio or is there a meaningful component on the commercial space as well?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

It would be a little more on the commercial.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Well, if you said, what's the total? 110. The 100?

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, 110.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

We have 30 on the mall over in PEI and maybe... And the brewery. And on the brewery. And on the brewery.

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

Maybe it's a little more.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Yeah, low cap at most, maybe 40 million commercial.

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Matt Cornack

Okay. And is it fair to say, though, that with the sale of the MHC portfolio, that the debt associated with it is at a bit higher interest rate, so it tempers kind of some of the dilution maybe of selling higher cap rate MHC? Yes.

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

The debt levels are lower on it as a percentage of the value compared to our whole portfolio, but yes, that would be higher.

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Matt Cornack

And I understand buying back stock at a discount to book when you're selling a book, but I guess it's price dependent, but it sounds like the sales are fairly certain. So let's say the stock trades higher, you don't buy back stock, would the near-term view be to deleverage or would you get back to being more active on the development side or maybe even acquire assets on the apartment side?

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

I think the important thing you're asking is if the price does go up and it becomes less creative from a buyback, do we go back looking at the other three alternatives? And the answer would be yes, to whatever extent. It depends on the pricing. But obviously, all those other avenues of growth or allocation of capital will be looked at.

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Matt Cornack

And then if we look at the markets, I mean, it's pretty stark in Atlantic Canada versus the rest of your portfolio outside of Atlantic Canada in terms of performance today. Obviously, hopefully the West and Ontario will normalize. But is it attractive to look at opportunities? I mean, I look at Newfoundland, it also is doing quite well. in those type of markets, and is there the ability to buy at reasonable or higher cap rates in a market like Newfoundland or to build there? I'm just interested in kind of how you're thinking about Atlantic versus the rest of the country.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

So, Matt, you're asking what are the current opportunities for acquisitions in Atlantic Canada?

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Matt Cornack

Yeah, and if that would be of interest. And again... There's this kind of new versus old, build versus buy existing. I mean, jury's out as to what's better, but interested in what your thoughts are from a capital allocation perspective.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Well, I think I'll answer that by saying we continue to look at all our markets across Canada, what kind of level of activity from an acquisition or disposition of other sort of owners of either apartments, or that's all really what we're looking at. So we are keeping a pretty good close eye on transactions and what's available in Atlantic Canada for sure. But right now we're just lookers as opposed to saying that we want to buy something.

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Matt Cornack

That makes sense. And then maybe lastly, just turning back to the operations side of things. Good to see new leasing spreads stabilize. Is that figure net of incentives? I know incentives picked up a little bit, but just trying to understand if that's a net number or if it's a gross number.

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Dale Noseworthy
Chief Financial Officer

That is gross. That is not net, but incentives year over year for many of those units that turned have been pretty consistent. So if we looked at incentives, it would not look very different.

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Matt Cornack

Mark-to-market stable, so presumably even though you're pushing through rents, it seems like you're getting some market rent growth in different segments of the market. Do you have, with your crystal ball, and I understand we're not going to hold you to this, but have a sense as to what the cadence is going to be in terms of trajectory of market rents in Atlantic Canada versus maybe what you'd expect over the next couple of years in Ontario and Alberta?

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

We're all kind of shaking heads thinking we didn't.

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Matt Cornack

I can't really come up with an answer for that one, Matt. Is the hope that while Atlantic Canada maybe is normalizing and mark-to-markets are being achieved, that Ontario and Alberta will be turning in the opposite direction and you'll be pretty stable from here on out? I agree with that. Low to mid-single digits NOI growth. I won't ask you to delve any further into the future.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

I mean, in fairness, some weeks we actually see that in Alberta or Ontario that they turn positive, but consistently month over month, not there yet. But some weeks they do, depending on what is actually being released.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Fair enough. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

As a reminder, if you wish to ask a question, please press star one. You now have a question from Jane Wilkinson with CIBC. Please go ahead.

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Jane Wilkinson

Thank you. Morning, everybody. Phil, maybe just a question more on the supply or potential supply response to all that activity that is going to happen in Atlantic Canada. Consider the market balanced, maybe. How is all this... Is there enough juice for developers or yourself to put new shovels in the ground and build something? I mean, I look at Eventide and maybe it's a little on the higher end, but how do you think that dynamic looks going forward? Are cost pressures coming down or would a spate of construction actually start to push things up and you see an inflationary spiral there and ultimately flows through to rents as well?

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

I think the supply, and this is only really my opinion, is that it's going to get tighter over the next couple years until we get adjustments and more sort of contractors come into this market if the demand is truly there for on the sort of the building out of housing. You know, a lot of the labor is going to be concentrated on the defense, sort of the non-residential side of it. You know, that basically even the hospital, I mean, for the last two years, They've been just pouring the sort of the concrete basement, the underground, and it's really just starting to come out. And then that's when you get all the trades moving in that have to get working there. So I just see that the labor side of it is still very tight in Halifax in particular. The other markets, not so much. And it depends. And there's going to be real opportunities, maybe in a sort of like a Fredericton or or St. John, and then the one market that is undersupplied is St. John's Newfoundland. So that's really what I see. But eventually, once everything starts basically coming together, we're gonna need more housing across Metro here in Halifax. And if you look at and you read the papers, there's already slowdowns in Toronto, Kitchener-Waterloo, maybe not so much in Alberta, but we're going to need some housing in Ontario as well.

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Jane Wilkinson

So they'll, in all likelihood, as history has been, chasing that after the demand comes in, and that's probably going to put some pressures there.

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Killam Apartment REIT Investor Relations
Investor Relations

Okay, that's good, thanks. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

There are no further questions at this time. So I will now turn the call over to Philip Frazier for closing remarks. Please continue.

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Philip Frazier
President and CEO

Once again, thank you for participating and listening to our Q2 conference call today. And we look forward to reporting Q3 financial results on November 4, 2026.

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Operator
Conference Call Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.

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