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Perseus Mining Limited
10/22/2024
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Welcome, everybody, to Perseus Mining's webinar to discuss our September 24 quarter report. I'm joined on the call once again today by our CFO, Leanne LeBrun. Welcome, Leanne. Both Leanne and I will be available to answer any questions that you may have later in the call. Now, as usual, the agenda for today's webinar is that firstly, I'll provide an overview of what Perseus has achieved operationally during the quarter with some help from Leanne, and then following a brief summation by me, we'll have a Q&A session to dive into any specific matters that have not been addressed earlier on. For those of you who are listening to the call on your computer, I've shared my screen and you should be able to track the presentation visually. I'll try to keep the presentation as brief as possible. All the details that you'll need to understand what we've achieved this quarter are fully documented in the market release. published earlier today, but I will highlight just a couple of points if I may. So as the title of our quarterly report says, our team at Purchase has continued to deliver very consistently strong gold production, free cash flows and growth, resulting in a growing cash and bullion balance that amounted to 643 million US dollars or Australian 960 million at the end of the month. During the quarter, we've advanced both our CMA underground mine development at Yayori and the Niyanzaga Gold Project in Tanzania, where our final investment decision on developing our next mine will be taken shortly. Both of these projects will enhance our ability to continue to produce results such as those delivered this quarter for many years to come. So without further ado, let's take a close look at the scoreboard and see in some detail just what I'm talking about. So moving beyond those cautionary statements, so for the quarter, we delivered 121,290 ounces, which was slightly up on the previous quarter. The all-insight cost was $1,201 an ounce, which was up $28 an ounce on the previous quarter. I should say that in that period of time, the gold prices moved up quite a bit and a significant portion of that 28% per ounce rise can be attributed to an increase in royalties that have been paid as a result of the higher gold price. The average sale price for the quarter was $2,249, as I said, up quite a bit on the previous quarter. Our cash margin across the group is a little over US$1,000 per ounce, also up on the previous quarter. National cash flow, US$127 million US dollars. leaving us, as I said earlier, a cash and bullion balance of $643 million at the end of September, which was $56 million more than what we had at the end of June. And that was a, you know, notwithstanding the fact that during the quarter we did make some investments as well. So what we've done is we've ensured our capability of being in a position to continue to fund growth and capital returns for shareholders. Now, you know, all three loans, continue to perform fairly consistently across the group, despite the occasional operating challenge. The temporary rise in all in-site cost was expected and was flagged last quarter, but we do expect that this will fall back as Yori gets its mining in order, which it has done this quarter. The gold prices, obviously, you can see from that chart, continue to rise steadily during the quarter, and I notice it's up again this morning. It's very nice. steadily expanding that cash margin, the all-important cash margin that's contributed to the overall cash and bullion balance. And I am pleased to say that the strong operating performance that we saw in the quarter has continued into the current quarter. In fact, it's actually even stronger so far to date in the month of October, which is very pleasing. Now, looking at the individual mines, Yeah, you already produced 47% of our production, so that's a little down on its normal contribution. And as I said, at $1,226 an ounce, it was up quite a bit on the previous quarter. And we did flag that as being something that would happen as the mining contractor worked to recover the shortfall in their performance in previous periods. Now, I'm happy to say that that has happened and they're no longer in default. and that we will return to normal mining volumes over the coming quarter. And accordingly, we expect that the oil and site costs will drift down to significantly lower levels than where we are right now. Notwithstanding all this, the cash margin at $998 an ounce was fairly healthy, and we generated 56 million of national cash flow from Yayoi during the quarter. The one statistic that did stand out that does warrant some comment is the reconciliation that we got from the block model to the mill this quarter, which was unusual relative to where we have been in the past. And I'd just like to address that point before anyone asks questions about it. This quarter production came mainly from the CMA oil body, which over time has been a very reliable producer and has previously reconciled very well. The ore body consistently reconciles with the slightly higher tons, slightly lower grade than predicted by the resource estimate. And I suspect that as much as anything, that's a function of the modeling technique that we've been using, the multiple indicator kriging. But overall, if you look at the reconciliation on the life of the reserve today, it's been about 120% on tons, 92% on grade. 110% on contained gold. So that's been a good thing. The recent lower grade reconciliation is expected to be temporary. We anticipate that we'll get back to historic levels next quarter as mining moves to more consistent areas of the ore body. You know, quite often what does happen when you get on the fringes of the ore body, it does get a little bit loose. But historically, the CMA has shown very strong reconciliation. And as I say, we do expect to get back on track on that one fairly quickly. Now, if we turn to Etican, it produced about 40% of the production this quarter. Very good performance from Etican, I have to say, right across the board. The all-inside cost of $1,000 an ounce, $1,021, was pretty much the same as last June. Now, that's a fairly commendable performance when you consider that's an all-inside cost, straight cash out the door. And the cash margin of $1,276 per ounce gave a fairly healthy cash flow of about $61 million for the quarter. Reconciliation at that mine has been pretty good. They're about 8% negative on tons, 6% positive on grade, so 2% negative on contained ounces. And that's very, very acceptable. The biggest challenge we have going forward there is finalising access to the NKSUO deposit that we want to bring into the mine plan fairly shortly. We are having some challenges on finalising that access, and if we are unable to solve that in the foreseeable future, then that could impact production next year. But we've got a fair bit of work to do there, but that is something that is taking quite a bit of focus at the moment. Susingi had a very disrupted quarter. something like 1,645 metres of rain this financial year to date. So very, very wet. And we've had rain in the past, but this quarter it also not only affected mining, but also the transport of oil from the remote satellite deposits back to the main processing facility. 17,066 ounces were produced during the quarter, which was down slightly on the June quarter. The production costs there remained elevated, as we've seen in the past, $16.21 per ounce. The net margin was $569 an ounce and generated about $10 million of free cash flow in the quarter. The reconciliation there was pretty reasonable, actually, all things considered. And looking to the future there, the Bagway exploitation permit was finally signed by the president, and that has put us in a good position to to look at construction, et cetera, in preparation for ultimately moving the mining activities from the Fimiase deposits down to Baguio next year sometime. So all in all, we're in pretty good shape in terms of the guidance that we've given to the market for this current half year, 220,000 to 260,000 ounces. My thinking is that we will end up in the upper half of that at least. And in terms of the cost guidance that we gave 12.30 to 13.30, based on the costs for this quarter, we're actually below the bottom end of that range. So I do think that come the end of this half year, we will be in very good shape relative to the guidance we've given to the market and once again, be able to say that we've done what we said we were going to do. Now, looking at the financial position, I'd just like to ask Leanne to perhaps explain to you a few things here, which I think are quite important in terms of being able to reconcile the costs that we're reporting with some of our peers in the industry.
Thanks, Geoff. As you're all aware, we've traditionally reported an all-in-stock cost, which is a pure cash number. That's why we've had quite a lot of queries around our alignment with the all-in-standing costs that are set up by the World Gold Council. So we've popped this graph into just to give everybody an indication of what that would look like. And so for persons with all inside costs, as Jeff has mentioned, it was $1,201. All in sustaining costs in line with the World Gold Council is calculated on gold sold versus we've calculated on gold produced. We also have to go through inventory movements, which align with international financial reporting standards, and what those relate to is during the period, mining and build-up of stockpiles, particularly at the Yare mine part, which would result in a credit and gets taken to the balance sheet. We've then also brought in our corporate admin costs, which results in an all-in sustaining cost for the overall group of 1,040. And importantly, we've also captured in the core fee, which as we have done over the last couple of quarters, is related to the fact that both all-inside costs and all-in-sustaining costs do carry in them an amount of 5.8 million US dollars in relating to waste stripping. And this went put into the income state and gets capped at last to the balance sheet. So we're hoping that this will help people in forecasting our profits. that have come out in our December financials. Moving on to the cash flow and the balance sheet. To me, what we put this table in, just to give everyone a sense of where our cash has gone and been generated during the period. As Jeff mentioned, we had cash and bullion on the balance sheet of $643 million with zero debt. And this was a $56 million increase in our cash and bullion keepings. Mentioning there that operating margin was $97 million. We continue to make contributions to the government with tax payments in our host countries of $16 million. And then also we have what I've called our non-controlled interest payment, which is further contributions to the government in relation to dividends declared out of our operations. And the operating cash flow contributed was 33% from the IRA, 56% from EDECAN, and 11% from CISIMI.
Okay, thanks, Leanne. Now, the relevance of that cash and bullion balance at the end of the period is very important, actually, because in front of us, we do have some work to be done in the short future. The first of these is the CMA underground development that we've been talking about for some time. The final investment decision has been moved from October to November, so there's nothing too much about that. The critical activities that we've been involved in during the quarter is recruiting the underground mining team. We've got a lot of people on our staff who are experienced in underground mining, but we did need to bring in a number of specialists for the task and we have been working through that. The other key activity has been locking down the mining services contract and we are very near to finalising that and selecting a preferred contractor very, very imminently and enabling that contractor to get on with mobilising for next year. Now, the fact that we've delayed that by a month has no impact whatsoever on the mobilisation time, we believe, and we should be moving on. The things that we've also been working on, we are waiting still to see the underground mining legislation. This is the first underground mine in Cote d'Ivoire. We've been told that it will be released in November this year, but failing that, a ministerial order will be issued to enable us to move on to the next step. So that's important. And during the quarter, the environmental impact people have asked for us to update our ESIA for the Aori site to take into account the fact that we're going to be mining from underground. It actually doesn't have too much impact at all, Nevertheless, they do need to have that document. So we are working on that at the present time. Now, what it looks like in terms of the overall schedule, let's say looking at making that final investment decision now in November, we are working on upgrading facilities on the site and that'll continue. And we will see the mobilization of the contractor March, April next year. And we'll see some work start on the portals in July. and then push on to first production shortly thereafter and commercial production in 27, which is more or less an accounting definition, but as we'll be getting into mineralisation right from the get-go on the mine. The other area that we'll be spending money in the future is on the Nyanzaga mine development project, where we're fairly busy at the moment working concurrently on five work streams. So the first of these is the implementation of the resettlement action plan, and we've awarded two contracts to Tanzanian builders to build the first 220 of these houses. An additional contract for another 11 will be awarded later this quarter. Construction work has started. 23 homes are under construction. We are focusing very much on foundation works in the area at the moment to try and get ahead of the wet season, which will be coming along soon enough. We've also been working on early works, building up construction capability, et cetera, et cetera. So a lot of work going on around the construction camp, building facilities, et cetera, calling tenders for various services that we're going to need as we go forward, and also getting prepared to build the Ngoma bypass road. That's a small village not far from where we are, and we want to make sure that our construction traffic doesn't disturb people in that area. So we're going to build a diversion road and we're currently compensating people for that land corridor. The other thing we're doing is we've made a couple of contracts for drilling. We've done about 8,000 meters so far doing resource confirmation, but also geotechnical and hydrological drilling, doing some sterilization on the site to ensure that We don't put facilities in the wrong place, et cetera, et cetera. So that work is going on and the data from that is being fed into a range of feasibility studies of different areas of the business going forward. The key area of the front end engineering and design is well underway with Lycopodium, optimising the engineering and the capital cost estimates. We have decided on an optimum size mill. It's going to be a 5 million tonne per annum operation. We've got quite a bit of data coming through on the capital budget. The first pass capital budget will be available for us to review in November. As I say, we've been working on the plant sizing and done a 3D model, which we're going through. I'll show you a picture of that in a minute. The other piece of really important work is discussions with the Office of the Treasury Registrar of the TR and the Tanzanian Investment Centre on clarifying some aspects of the existing framework agreement and mining legislation and regulations. This is important as we want to be starting this exercise with a clear understanding of the regulatory framework that we're operating under. Now, in terms of the schedule going forward, you can see we've ticked off a few items so far, a few more to come. A lot of work going on. The basic aim is to is to take that investment decision in early January and immediately award contracts, et cetera, and get underway with site works later that month. We had been saying December, but it's just a matter of availability of people as much as anything, and then we'll get underway. And then the aim is to pour first gold in January 27. So that's a schedule that we're working furiously to ensure that we keep to and to get this first project underway in Tanzania. Just a couple of photos to illustrate the work. As I say, we've been working at foundations in a lot of areas. We are about to see a wet season come upon us and we want to make sure that we can continue construction all the way through that without any interruption. And as I say, we've also been doing quite a lot of work in the feed area, coming up with 3D designs for the plant, et cetera, et cetera, to be able to be able to plan activities a little bit more carefully. So everything's moving forward and it's looking pretty strong. Now, the other thing that we did during the quarter, which people will be aware of, is that we made a few changes to some equity investments that we hold. Early in the piece, we announced that we had acquired a 13.8% strategic interest in predictive and we'd acquired a further 3.45%. through some cash-settled equity swaps. As people know, Predictive is an emerging mineral development company, exploration and development company. It's a key assets bank and project in Guinea. And they've reported through their feasibility work a fairly healthy gold resource and reserve, 3.5 million ounces is their reported number. And that certainly is something that's of interest to us. Now, also, during the quarter, we sold our... 9.6% interest in Gold Explorer and Aspiring Developer Montage. They have a property in Cote d'Ivoire. And we were able to release about $45 million of cash from that investment. This was something of a surplus asset that we acquired when we took over Orca Gold a couple of years ago. We were able then to apply those proceeds to topping up our interest in Predictive. And by the end of the quarter, we held a 19.9% interest in that company. Now, at this stage, we have no intention of making a further bid right now. The task for us is to really understand the nature of the project that they have and the regulatory regime, et cetera, et cetera. And if we get comfortable with that work, then something may happen beyond that point. But we will have to see. There's a fair bit of work to be done before we get too carried away on that front. We've been continuing our other exploration work and studies around the various operations. As we've always said, organic growth near the existing infrastructure is the best and most productive work that we can do. Up at Maya Sand, we've also been continuing to explore on the tenement. The disturbance in the country there is nowhere near resolution as far as we are aware, so we're just keeping our head down and expanding the non-mineral resource until we can see what direction things are going in. So that's all productive and useful work. We're also doing quite a bit of work, as I mentioned, at Nianzaga, trying to put ourselves into a position to really understand that ore body before we get too far down the track. I said at the outset, we do take our responsibilities to our host countries. pretty seriously, our host communities and to our people. Our safety performance across the group has been really good, actually, down slightly in terms of TRIFA on a previous period. And our lost time injury frequency rate is stable at 0.15. And those are results that are very credible, I think, in company. Our community contributions continue to remain high for the countries where we are operating. around $150 million, which is a significant sum, about 60% of revenue going through the economies of our host countries. We buy quite a lot of our materials locally. We employ locally. Something like 95% of our employees come from the countries where we operate. And as reflects the culture of those countries, our ratio of females to males is relatively low by Western standards, but nevertheless, we do... work in that particular area. And environmentally, I mean, there's been no major issues. We work at keeping our greenhouse gas emissions, et cetera, under control and turning in a reasonable performance on that front. Now, one thing I did want to just point out before closing, I guess, is as well as we've done over time, and certainly our share price has reflected that, we are still carrying what people call an African discount relative to our Australian peers and also, in fact, to some of our African peers. I mean, the investment metrics are still extremely attractive at these levels. We're running on a price-to-earnings ratio of about 7 on EV to cash flow of about 5, which is fairly modest. But I think the important numbers that one really should focus on is The fact that we operate in cash flow per ounce is about $819 US, which is a fairly significant sum of money and has led to the cash balances that I referred to earlier, which is about 64 cents a share. Now, the point is that what a lot of investors are looking for, of course, is is stability in the companies they invest in and, you know, wanting to be able to know that things are going to remain stable. Certainly these metrics here indicate that that is the case. So before we open up to questions, let me just say that, you know, I did say at the start that we had a strong quarter on all fronts, including production, cost, cash flow, et cetera, et cetera, and that certainly is the case. I also mentioned that our policing leaders work has been conducted in a safe manner and ahead of our targets, our safety targets, and materially better than many of our peers around the world, notwithstanding the fact that our business is conducted in so-called lesser developed countries on the African continent. Now, as a company, we continue to generate material benefits for our stakeholders, including host governments, communities, employees, providers of goods and services, and very importantly, our investors. In doing this, we are consistently achieving the stated mission of the company. Now, looking forward, our production and cost guidance for the six months to December is predicting another solid performance. And after about 61% of the six-month period, it's pretty clear that we're on track to deliver as for production and cost guidance, if not beat it in the case of costs. And once again, do what we said we're going to do. Our group's financial fortunes are certainly strong. and assisted greatly by the gold price, I have to say, particularly noticing this morning at around $2,750 US an ounce is a fairly healthy price. But through effective cost management, our cash balance continues to remain very strong, nearly $1 billion Australian, enabling us to pay significant sums of money in tax and charges to our host countries to continue to fund organic growth and return cash to our shareholders. Now, speaking of our capital management strategy, as well as declaring a final dividend in August that brought the total dividend to the year to $0.05 a share or 2% yield based on the share price at the end of June. We've also embarked on a maiden share buyback of up to 100 million Australian of our stock. So far, the volumes of stock purchased have not been overly large. However, once we get out of the various blackout periods associated with reporting reports like this one today, we will be able to buy more stock provided that our pricing targets are met. Now, going forward, in terms of future cash management, we do need to bear in mind the fact that we will need to fund the development of the INSAGA project from the start of 2025, and we currently estimate that that cost is going to be in the order of $450 million to $500 million. However, as you've seen from today's report, we are continuing to generate strong cash flows every day, so we will have plenty of capacity for that and further initiatives, whether this is in Guinea or Sudan or any of the other countries where we're invested. The concept of maintaining a diversified asset portfolio is very important to us here at Perseus. We believe that through engaging in multiple operations in multiple countries, we're able to remove a lot of the volatility that comes with operating on the African continent. And importantly, what this means that as an investor, if you hold shares in Perseus, you can be reasonably confident that when you wake up in the morning, no matter what has occurred overnight or elsewhere in the world, your investment in Perseus will remain solid and in good hands. Now, finally, in conclusion, I do once again want to acknowledge the wonderful contributions that have been made by all the men and women that make up my colleagues on the Perseus board management and operating teams in what is now the five countries in which we operate, including Australia, where we're headquartered. In recent months, we've had a few additions and changes to our board and management team to cater for the growth in activities that we're undertaking. Change is always accompanied by a little uncertainty and discomfort, but it does seem that we're taking these changes in our stride and moving forward very strongly. And there's no doubt that as a team, our people are strongly supported by their families and continue to do an outstanding job. And I sincerely thank all of you. And I know that many of our employees do listen to these calls on behalf of all shareholders for all your efforts in helping us to continue to deliver on our promises. Now, at this point, I'd also like to acknowledge the contribution made to purchase by one of our directors, Dr. David Ransom, who sadly passed away during the quarter. We invited Dave to join the board of Perseus as a non-executive independent director in 2019. In his time with Perseus, Dave's intelligence and knowledge became widely known throughout our company and he was deeply respected by all who had contact with him. But more than that, he was greatly appreciated as a very humble, kind and wise person who, when he talked, people listened. He made a significant contribution to Perseus, especially in his much-loved field of geology and exploration, where he kept our teams honest with incisive and intelligent questioning of their work and ideas, and his judgment in these areas was second to none. It was with great reluctance that we accepted Dave's resignation as the director in July this year, as his health took a turn for the worse, but it was with profound sadness and shock that we learned of his passing just a short time later. Dave is a true gentleman and deeply loved and respected by all who knew him and had the opportunity to become his friend. Thanks very much for your attention today. This brings my presentation to a close and we're happy to take any questions that you might have. Thank you.
Thank you, Geoff. Your first question comes from Richard Knight at Baron Joey. Please go ahead, Richard.
Hello, Richard.
Unmute yourself there, Richard.
Apologies. There we go. Hi, Geoffrey. Thanks for the call. Just a quick one around EDICAN and the Nkusu satellite deposit. Can you give us a bit more colour around what the critical path is in terms of finalising those negotiations with the farmers? And, you know, what's the risk to potential 2025 projects production if we can't come up with a solution in the next six months?
Well, the critical part is that we need to convince all of the farmers in the area to accept compensation from us and allow us to move in. Now, most of the farmers have agreed to it. I think there's something like 27 or so that are still not enthused by it. However, having said that, 20 of them have allowed us to conduct the surveys and to work through the compensation, and I think the remaining seven and other three or four are in direct dialogue with us. So we are making progress. How long it's going to take to settle remains to be seen. I can't put a date on it because it'll happen when it happens, but you can be sure that we're certainly working on it. We would like to get it done as soon as practical. you know, the other ore bodies, the AG and Fetish Pits, they start to run out of ore after the first quarter of next year. So clearly time is of the essence, but we do have other sources of ore on the property. They're not as attractive as egg pursuer, I might add, but nevertheless, you know, we weren't stopping operations, but it could impact our production in that period of time. What's that, the June quarter of next year, if we don't get our thoughts together clearly. But this is an issue that it's not unheard of in any part of the world. I mean, in Australia, when you're looking to open up a mine and resume farms, people, particularly when they've held the farms in their family for many generations, are not always enthusiastic. So we just need to go through the process. be reasonable with people and explain to them what we're doing, and we'll be fine. I mean, we do have the full support of the government, I might add, the Minerals Commission, the EPA, the Cocoa Board, most of these guys being cocoa farmers. They're all supportive of what we're doing, and it's just a case of being able to work it through with our host community.
Okay, thanks. Thank you. Your next question comes from Andrew Bowler at Macquarie. Please go ahead, Andrew.
G'day, Jeff and Leanne. Thanks for your answer. I think you covered off on my question. Thanks as well from Richard's question. But also, I appreciate the extra colour and inventory movements. Is that something you plan on disclosing with every quarterly now?
Sorry, I just broke up a little there. What did you say, please?
The question is the inventory movements. I appreciate the extra colour. Is that something you plan on reporting going forward?
Yeah, I mean, we have actually traditionally put the numbers into the text within the course leads, but it became evident that people weren't ready to figure that out. So, yeah, what we'll do is continue to provide that information more boldly so that people can use that to reconsult for the financial statements. Obviously, CABA is not audited, but you'll be able to have an all-in type cost and an all-in standing cost and then the waste numbers picked up through the core thing.
No worries. Thanks for that. Thank you. Your next question comes from David Radcliffe at Global Mining Research. Please go ahead, David.
Good morning Geoff and Leanne. So my first question is just on going back to Atacan. Obviously costs running well under guidance there. And from your comments before, it doesn't sound like there's a big upcoming this quarter. So just trying to understand why was the guidance set so high? Was it the fact that you expected to be stripping a lot more?
The guidance costs you mean? Yes. Yes, I think that's probably fair to say. We thought that we would be stripping at NKSUO at this stage of the game. So that does feed into those costs, yeah.
Thanks. And then just quickly on Yuri, obviously grades below expectations sounds like that was primarily driven by the reconciliation at the moment. So maybe can you give us a bit of an idea of the grade profile for the financial year and maybe within that a bit more of a colour about when you expect to move out of the material that's not reconciling well.
Yeah, no, look, I think there's a couple of things that did influence this. Certainly the reconciliation was one, but also, too, we did have some Look, we were well behind on our waste stripping and we needed to get through that pretty well. Now, I think in July we did have some suboptimal blasting practices in CMA South and there was a significant throw in the upper flitches there. And what we've done since then is we've focus very heavily on our drill and blast practices, including, I might say, using some software. I shouldn't give them a plug, but I will, All Pro. We actually implemented this at Etican and got fantastic results over there. And we've been slowly, we've introduced it to Yayori and the take-up was a bit slower than we really wanted. But it's certainly been in there now and we expect that that dilution will bring it back. The grade control in August sort of was bringing up more high-grade tons, as it were, but at a slightly lower reserve grade than the reserve model, which was predicting like 2.15, 2.2 grams a ton. Sorry, actually, the reserve was 2.8, and we were getting about 2 grams a ton. So, you know, that was sort of as a result of being at that southern end, which I said is a bit flakier than... in the main part of the ore body. So there are a couple of localised issues. There is the issue of just general reconciliation, making sure that we understand what is driving that temporary situation. We do expect to be pretty much back on track. And in fact, if I look at the data for October, we are actually running slightly ahead of our our budgeted grade at this particular point. So I'm not too concerned about getting back on track as we go forward. Okay, brilliant. Thank you. I'll pass it on.
Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. So I'll now hand back to Jeff for closing remarks.
Okay. Well, thanks very much. There's not too much more to be said. It's been another strong quarter and the company is continuing to move forward as we expected that it would. And we continue to look forward to future success and to the ongoing support of all of our shareholders and other stakeholders. Thanks very much for participating in the call.
Goodbye.