IPH Limited

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the IPH limited half-year 2026 results presentation. All participants are in a listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you will need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Dr. Andrew Blattman, Managing Director and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you. Good morning and welcome to the IPH results presentation for the half year ended 31 December 2025. My name is Andrew Gladman and I am CEO and Managing Director of IPH. With me today is Brendan York, our CFO. Thank you for joining us for today's presentation and your interest in IPH. Before we get started, I'd like to thank the broader IPH team across all our regions for their efforts and contribution to our results for first half FY26. In terms of how we'll play it today, I'll provide an overview of the operational strategic highlights. Brendan will discuss the financial results in detail. I'll then provide an update on the performance of our three segments, Canada, Asia, Australia and New Zealand, before concluding with a summary of our priorities for the full year. As always, we're very happy to answer your questions at the end. So moving to slide three about IPH, a quick reminder of the continued growth in the diversity and scale of IPH. We have seven brands and over 1,700 employees servicing some 26 IP jurisdictions. We are the number one patent group in Australia, in Canada, Singapore and New Zealand. More recently, we were informed by the Indonesian Patent Office that we are the number one filer in our country, a testament to the strength of our network across the Asian region. And I'm told we're also giving the leaderboard a good scare in the Philippines as well, which is great. I'll talk more about the benefits of our global network and scale shortly. Moving on to slide four and number five in terms of the highlights, IPH delivered a solid result for the first half. Despite the ongoing challenges of lower US patent filings in Australia and New Zealand, group underlying EBITDA increased by 6.6%, with reported net profit up 10.5%. We had a very strong turnaround in our Canadian business with organic revenue growth Acquisition Synergies and Cost Discipline driving an 18.9% increase in like-for-like earnings. For the SEPO issues, SEPO is, for your benefit, is the Canadian Intellectual Property Office, so I will refer you to the SEPO going forward. SEPO issues is somewhat in its half. There has been no meaningful clearance of the workflow backlog caused by the systems upgrade they did in July 2024. Hopefully, we'll see some of that backlog unwind with associated revenue this calendar year. We also had a very pleasing return to growth in our Asian business. Filings ex-Singapore were up 7.3%, continuing the improvement from last year, and that's resulted in a lift in like-for-like revenue and in earnings. IPH remains a highly cash-generative business, and that continued in the first half, with cash conversions remaining above 100%. Combined with our strong balance sheet, this strong cash flow has enabled 11.8% lift in the interim dividends to $0.19 per share. The next slide talks about our scale and diversity. And as I mentioned earlier, IPH is truly a global leader with an extensive network and reach across IP secondary markets. This global scale provides resilience and diversity to our earnings base. as we benefit from our exposure to an increasing number of IP jurisdictions around the world. This diversity also mitigates any periodic fluctuations in filings in certain markets. While the ANZ market has been impacted by the recent decline in US filings, it's important to note that nearly 60% of IPH group earnings now come from outside ANZ. Our strategy has been consistent for a number of years to create the leading IP services group in Secretary IP markets. Our decision to enter the Canadian market in 2022 was absolutely consistent with that strategy. In just over three years, we've built the market-leading IP business in Canada, which now accounts for over a third of our earnings. Just to put that into context, based on our half-year results, Canada's annualised run rate is 323 million revenue, EBITDA of over $83 million with annualized patent filings of over 10,000 patent applications. We have achieved acquisition synergies in line of targets. We're delivering organic growth despite the continued CIPO backlog and we are generating client referrals across the group which delivers revenue across IPH and particularly into our Asian business. That additional scale has enabled the group to manage the current challenges facing our domestic business and ANZ and still deliver improved earnings and dividends to shareholders. But it also provided an enhanced opportunity to deliver further earnings growth as the CPO backlog ultimately unwinds and as we continue to leverage our market-leading position to drive organic growth. Moving on to slide seven. While we have continued to face some market headwinds, including the CPO backlog in Canada and the decline in US economies and ANZ, we are responding directly to these challenges. In Canada, we are focused on leveraging our integrated platform for organic revenue growth and cost discipline is laser-focused and it's delivering earnings improvement. In Asia, we will capitalise on our market-leading network and unique client proposition to build on the recent increase in filings to deliver revenue and earnings growth. That includes business development activities targeting international corporate clients and also seek to continue our success in gathering case transfers which provide future revenue events. In ANZ, given the weakness in US PCTs, our member firms are responding with new business efforts deliberately targeting primary IP markets outside of the US, including Western Europe, Japan, South Korea, and in particular, Chinese incoming filings. At a group level, our focus remains on dropping operational efficiencies by leverage scales. the scaling capability across IPH. We have realigned our cost base in FY25 and operational efficiencies have reduced our corporate costs by $2.5 million in the first half, which contribute to an increased underlying EBITDA margin. We continue to focus on leveraging our global presence to boost client referrals across our network. We have delivered almost 1,200 cumulative client referrals between IPH Canada and our Asian Pacific offices since we first entered the Canadian market in 2022. In fact, in the last 12 months, we've almost doubled the referral volume. In fact, just in the last week, we secured a further 100 patent case transfer in the southeast states of China and Australia from an IPH Canadian firm. Finally, we are further embedding AI into our core operations, whether it be patent drafting and prosecution to the administrative functions, thereby streamlining workflows and reducing costs, We're building on the automation we already have by the AI, which now lets us to automate decisions. And we bring in more advanced agent-based AI who are able to triage instructions, analyze documents, streamline documenting, support lodgements and renewals, giving us more end-to-end automation to address specular effort. So that's an introduction. I'll now hand over to Brendan who will discuss the financial results in more detail.

Thanks, Andrew, and good morning, everyone. Looking first at an overview of the financial results and key metrics, Revenue of $363.9 million was up 6.5%, including an increased three-month incremental revenue from the Breskin Empire acquisition and organic growth in Canada and Asia, partially offset by decline instead. Underlying EBITDA increased 6.6% to $107.1 million, primarily reflecting improved earnings in Canada, including the acquisition impact, growth in Asia, as well as cost discipline across all segments and corporate. As always, there is a foreign exchange element to our underlying results. The group recognised a net foreign exchange loss of $0.2 million compared to a $1.3 million gain in the prior corresponding half. This was primarily driven by the appreciation of the AUD against the USD and other key currencies at 31 December 2025 relative to 30 June 2025. A slide detailing FX impacts is included in the appendix to the investor presentation. Underlying MPAT-A which is underlying NPAT adjusted to exclude the income tax affected non-cash amortisation of acquired intangible assets, increased by 2.6% to $62.6 million. Underlying basic EPSA increased by 3.9% from the prior corresponding half. That reflects the improved financial performance and also the 1.5% decrease in the weighted average number of shares on issue following the share buyback conducted in FY25. Statutory net profit after tax was up 10.5%. driven by increased underlying earnings, a reduction in the non-underlying costs compared to the prior corresponding period, partially offset by the increased effective tax rate. Tax-free basic EPS was up 12.1%. The company continues to generate strong cash flow with a gross operating cash flow to EBITDA conversion ratio of 101%. This has supported an increase in the interim dividend, which was up 11.8% on the prior corresponding half. The interim dividend of 19 cents per share will be paid on the 24th of March. Looking at the financials in a little bit more detail, the 6.5% increase in revenue included the incremental three months contribution in half-way 26 from the Breskina PAR acquisition, which we acquired in September 2024. Improved organic revenue growth in Canada and Asia was partially offset by decline in ANZ. While agency expenses increased, these are offset by increases in the recoverable disbursements, which are included in revenue. The 6.8% increase in employee benefits Expense primarily reflects the impact of the acquisition, while the benefit of the FY25 cost reduction program has offset any inflationary cost increases. Underlying EBITDA was up 6.6% to $107.1 million, reflecting the improved earnings in Canada, including acquisition impact, a return to growth in Asia, a reduction in corporate costs and ongoing cost discipline. The underlying EBITDA margin lifted by 0.1 percentage points, reflecting improved performance in Canada and Asia. the reduction in those corporate costs, however, tempered by the margin reduction in ANZ. The slight increase in depreciation and amortisation relates to the increased expense from the Bereskin & Parr acquisition, offset by property synergies achieved in late 2025. Half-year 26 non-underlying expenses net of income tax impacts were $2.8 million compared to $4.8 million in the prior corresponding period and primarily related to transformation project costs and IT implementation costs. These are also detailed in the appendix. The effective tax rate excluding the income tax impact of non-underlying expenses increased from 20.4 to 26.2. This reflects a normalisation of the underlying effective tax rate post the Canadian acquisition activity. We expect this effective tax rate going forward based on our geographic earnings mix. Onto our balance sheet. IPH maintains a strong balance sheet. Trade and other receivables decreased by 12.1 million from 30 June 2025, representing improved collections and an overall improvement in the receivables ageing profile. The decrease was offset slightly by an increase in contract assets, which is our work in progress, of 6.3 million. The decrease in intangible assets reflects the foreign exchange translation impacts of approximately 19.1 million and amortisation of the acquired intangible relationships and other intangible assets of 26.9 million. The key movement in equity was the foreign currency translation reserve which reduced by $14.1 million from the translation of overseas subsidiaries into AUD which strengthened this period. Onto our cash flow and working capital, the group continues to generate strong cash flows with the cash conversion of 101% and free cash flow up 32% for the half. We maintain a strong focus on working capital management with a $5.9 million reduction in working capital balances. Working capital management will continue to be a focus for the group to unlock further cash. IPH continues to be a capital-like business with capex of just $1.5 million for the first half of the year, which was significantly below the price corresponding period of $6.1 million. Capex for the first half of this year related to leasehold improvements in Asia and including a new Philippines office. Turning now to capital management, net debt at 31 December 2025 was down 6.5% or $27 from 30 June 2025. The leverage ratio at 31 December was 1.8 times, slightly down from the 1.9 times at 30 June 2025 and remains within the company's maximum target ratio of up to two times. In December 2025 the group refinanced $210 million of its syndicated debt facility agreement on improved pricing terms. Maturity dates for all facilities are in FY28 and FY29. The group had a total undrawn financing facilities of $111 million as at 31 December 25. The interim dividend of $0.19 per share, franked 20% at the corporate tax rate, represents a payout ratio of 81% of cash adjusted NPAT. Separately, we have also announced today an on-market buyback program with a maximum capacity of 12.2 million shares. The buyback will commence on 9 March 2026 and remain in place for 12 months. The buyback provides flexibility as part of the group's capital management program and will not impact the company's existing dividend policy. Turning to the segment like-for-like performance, the like-for-like basis eliminates the impact of acquisitions and foreign exchange movements which would create a lot of variability in the IPH reported results. I will not spend too much time on this slide as Andrew will provide further analysis on each of the segments in the next section. Looking at Canada First, this represents a strong turnaround in performance with organic revenue growth assisted by acquisition synergies and cost discipline driving an 18.9% increase in like-for-like underlying EBITDA. Like-for-like revenue and earnings also increased in Asia as this segment returned to growth. As we called out at the AGM in November, the ANZ business continues to be impacted by the decline of the USBCTs being filed with IPH member firms, disproportionately affected by a larger exposure to US applicants relative to the market. Despite the challenges of the lower US filings into the US and at a group level, like-for-like revenue was up 0.7% and with a 3.2% increase in like-for-like underlying EBITDA on an improved like-for-like EBITDA margin of 0.7 percentage points. I'll now hand over to Andrew to discuss the segments in more detail.

Well, thanks, Brendan. In the next few slides, I'll provide an update on our three operating segments. And the first one, slide 16, will be Canada. As Brendan mentioned, we delivered a very strong turnaround in the business, despite no real recovery in the workflow backlog caused by the CBOE systems upgrade. It has to come at some point, and hopefully it's going to be here, but certainly the turnaround was absent any workflow backlog release. As Brendan mentioned, the underlying results for half year 26 included an incremental three-month contribution from Periscope Power compared to the prior corresponding period. And as Brendan also mentioned, like-to-like basis, like-to-like revenue was up 7.3%, reflecting organic growth during the period. As I just mentioned, the SEPA disruption eased somewhat in the first half. Volumes in some office sections remained lower than before the SEPA upgrade, with no meaningful recovery in the workflow backlog. I'll give some more detail on this in the next slide. One of the hallmarks of our success over the last 10 years has been our ability to integrate acquired member firms into our wider network. uplift revenue, deliver cost synergies, and enhance our client offering. The successful integration of Breskin Power is another positive example of this strategy. The synergies we've seen from the Breskin Power acquisition and integration of Smart and Bigger together with ongoing cost discipline delivered an 18.9% uplift in life underlying EBITDA, as Brendan mentioned, a strong result. It's also reflected in significant uplift in the life underlying EBITDA margin in Canada, which is up 2.6 percentage points. Now, the SIPO issues, as you can see on the chart, the SIPO service levels for the current processing and work have stabilised after a period of significant volatility, but as I mentioned earlier, we've not seen any meaningful recovery in the workflow backlog from the issues caused by the launch of the used biologics system in July 24. So this backlog represents significant stored value or delayed revenue And as the backlog clears, we expect the flow of revenue generating activity to move through the pipeline. And as the number one patent filer in Canada, Smart and Bigger, and proportionally our other brand, Rovic, remain well positioned to capture that increased CPO work as the backlog clears. So moving to slide 18, which is our Asia slide, which I'm personally very pleased to see a return to growth in our Asian business for the half. Lifeline underlying revenue was 3.5% ahead of prior corresponding period, with underlying EBITDA at 1.5%. IPAs Asian filings ex-Singapore increased by 7.3% for the half, building on the growth from the prior year, which is starting to yield revenue and earnings up. More specifically, we had double-digit growth in four countries, including a 37% increase in patent filings in Hong Kong. Vietnam was up 21%. Philippines up 26%, that's good momentum in the Philippines because you might recall in the August results we indicated an 82% increase in the second half of 25 and one more country there we don't often hear about, Brunei up 57% off the loan base. In addition, we secured more than 2,200 case transfers into the Asian business including cases registered in renewal phase and in prosecution. These included more than 1,500 trademarks, over 500 patents and 200 designs. Many of these transfers consolidate client portfolios within IPH and of course support further revenue. The overall Singapore patent filing market declined by 8.6% in half year 26, year to date November. There's always a lag in Singapore getting the data, as you might recall, but IPH filings down 13.9% for the same period. One of our largest filers in Singapore and the client that those of you who follow us for a while has a tendency to go up and down a little bit, which is an ongoing client, and significantly reduced filings over the period. And when we normalised for this one client, the market declined by 7.4%, with IPH down 10%. IPH maintained their number one patent market position in half year 26 in Singapore, and as I say, became number one in Indonesia. And I think we're hitting probably up to leaderboard in the Philippines, as I said earlier. And we continue to act for a number of the most significant files in the market. Slide 19 refers to the ANZ segment, and our ANZ business continues to be impacted by the ongoing decline in US PCTs, with IPH member firms disproportionately affected by a larger explosion of US clients rather than the market. As foreshadowed at the AGM, the like-like revenue was 6.1% below the prior corresponding half, with underlying EBITDA down 10.6%. Given the prevailing market conditions, we continue to align our business and market conditions with a focus on right-sizing and ongoing cost discipline, including 1.4% reduction in employee expenses during the half. We secured over 2,700 case transfers during the period, including cases registered in the prosecution, over 2,400 trademarks, initially over 190 patents and over 50 designs, which of course always support future revenue. And pleasingly, we continue to win significant portfolio transfers in the first months of calendar year 2026. In terms of filings, Australian patent market decreased by 12.9% for the half, while IPH filings were down by 5.4%. As we called out at the AGM, the increase in overall market filings included a large proportion of self-filed, and we think AI-generated, provisional patent applications. It's truly these applications which do not represent our client base. The Australian patent market increased by 1.9% for the half, with IPH declining by 4.8% for the same period. This represents an improvement from the filing update we provided at the AGM for the year-to-date October numbers. where IPH filings, again, expose self-filed cases. For July to October, we're down 7.1%, compared to market growth of 3.5% in the first quarter. Notwithstanding the decline in filings for US applicants, US remains the top country of origin for filings, makes up around 30% to 35% of the total market in Australia. Moreover, IPH remains the market leader in Australia with combined market share on a normalised basis of 31.5%. Recently, we've also seen our surround patent filings improve in the last two months of Q2, and this continues into Q3. Moreover, in the last month alone, we've also secured approximately 500 patent case transfer into one of the domestic businesses, a big portfolio win for our ANZ segment. Finally, we've recently seen a slight improvement in the trajectory of US PCT applications. Filings rose in US PCTs, our source market. Filings rose from 4,136 in August before the half thousand in September had reached 4,800 in October last year. This improvement over the period provides some optimism for national phase entry volumes in the coming year. So the priorities for FY26, we continue to build towards our vision of being the leading IP services group in secondary IP markets. Our key priorities in FY26 To support that vision include optimising our network and member firms, targeting organic growth and operational efficiencies. Our focus in Canada is to leverage our integrated platform to drive further growth. We continue to expect improvements in CPO workflow and I would say that the timing remains unclear, but I think it's a calendar year 2026 story. In Asia, we aim to capitalise on our market leading network and unique client proposition. to build on the recent increased filings to deliver revenue and earnings growth. That includes business development activities and targeting international corporate clients entering the Southeast Asian market and focus on maintaining a momentum of ongoing case transfers which provide good future revenue events. Given the ongoing decline of US PCTs to the ANZ market, we have refocused our business development initiatives targeting primary IP markets outside of the US including Western Europe, Japan, South Korea. As I said earlier, also a significant focus on Chinese incoming files. As I mentioned earlier, our patent filing performance relative to the market improved in the second quarter. Across the group, we have realigned our cost base and remain focused on cost discipline to drive further operational efficiency. We are further embedding AI into our core operations to streamline workflows, reduce costs and enhance client services. Of course, underpinning these initiatives is our strong balance sheet with the continued high cash generation. Our focus remains on delivering improved returns to shareholders with a flexible capital management plan, including the share buyback we announced today. In closing, I'd like to again acknowledge the hard work and contribution of all our people across the IPH group. Despite some short-term headwinds, the medium-term fundamentals for this business remain supportive of growth. Many thanks to all of you for continued interest and support. And over to our moderator, where Brendan and I are happy to take some questions.

We will now begin the question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, please press star, then 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star, then 2. Please limit yourself to two questions. And if you are on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. And the first question today will come from Apoorv Deval with Jordan. Please go ahead.

Hey, good morning. I'm Andrew Brandon-Hobble as well. First question is on the like-for-like revenue performance. It looks like in the last two months of the half, ANZ and Canada improved a bit versus the first four months. Could you comment on any specific drivers for that, please?

Yeah, they did improve a little bit. There's no sort of specific driver that's changed. It's just a little bit of improved filing performance and improved revenue. So yeah, we take the good news as it comes. And yeah, we've got good momentum into the second half.

Okay. Into the second half then, let's touch on that. So if we sort of start with ANZ. I mean, you were down 6% for the first half, but improved a little bit into November, December. ANZ is cycling a bit of an easier comparable in the PCP as well. I'm just wondering, versus that minus 6 in the first half, do you think you can kind of pare back that negative a bit and recover a little bit in the second half of 26?

Look, we're going to do our very best, and we hope we can. Obviously, we're not committing to a forecast here, but, yeah, we think the momentum is in a better space in ANZ going forward. As Andrew said, a really nice case transfer win in January. We think there's some more to come. So, yeah, we're peddling really hard to close that gap.

Okay. I'll jump back to the Q&A.

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. And our next question will come from Damon Kloepner with CLSA. Please go ahead.

Hi guys, good morning. Just a couple of questions from me.

Just on your business development efforts in ANZ, is the intention to neutralise exposure to US... Sorry, I'm having a lot of trouble hearing you on your phone there, but look, I think we don't resolve from the US. There's still a segment that generates work coming into Australia, but I think So we've got, in fact, one of our team are in the US as we speak. But what we have also done is broaden the approach, particularly into the Chinese market. We had the MD of one of the other same businesses just came back from China a week ago. He wants to go back in April. I think he had some good traction, which is good. We'll keep him, get his laundry done, and he can go back out again. And so that was certainly a focus. But No, I wouldn't say we're walking away from the USF. That's the biggest market we have but we just have to do more and what we're seeing is some good leverage from our Asian business which is a strong Chinese filing space and we're trying to leverage that as an entry point for the ANZ business.

Okay, thank you. And then just in terms of the self-filed filings in ANZ, is there any opportunity to win work in this space or is it just too low margin and commoditized? How do you see it?

Yeah. Well, you probably could, but I don't think they may pay you a bill. That's the only problem. But we've seen this before. It's not the same issue, but it's reminiscent of what we had a couple of years ago with the innovation patents. that was never our market base or client base rather. We can't say what these things are because they don't get published right in months but based on some of the titles and the nature of the title, we think it's an AI generating type of application. So I'm not sure they're anyone's client at this stage and possibly in the future if they completed applications, there might be some opportunity but I think we're better off broadening our horizons in China and elsewhere.

Okay. Thanks, Andrew.

The next question will come from Dan for Dan with Cathedral Capital. Please go ahead.

Good morning. Just looking at your effect sensitivity of 2.8, that's a bit less than the 3.0 six months ago. What's just... Is that just a mixed... as you sort of mix away or diversify away from U.S. clients? Can you talk us through what's changed there?

Look, it's a pretty small difference, Sam, you know, a couple hundred grand. It's really, it's just as the Canada acquisition embeds into the mix, you get a slight sort of push up towards more on CAD where they'll build their clients in CAD terms. So that's really all it is. Okay.

Is there anything you're remaining sort of passive in terms of how you're managing currency? I'll sort of, with some of your presentation, apologies, just how you're thinking about currency and managing that given where the spot rate is today?

Yeah, obviously it's been a pretty volatile movement even from December to now. We have some forwards in place for USD to AUD to, you know, our exposure, obviously, risks off the USD billings and then the USD receivables that sit on our balance sheet. So we've got some forward cover hedges in place and we'll just follow that policy and, you know, that's probably as much as we can really do. Our model works the way it does and we're not going to change that, but we'll manage the currency through forwards.

Okay. And just from Canada, That was pretty soft, I think, or was pretty patchy through the last six, 12 months from memory. Have you seen a better pipeline in terms of cases in Canada?

Yeah, Canada is probably the space where legal pipeline has more impact. I will say, given that the Breskin business and the Rideout business have a smaller legal component as they came into Spartan Bigger, Our overall exposure of legal revenue is less than what it was when you had SmartBear stand alone. But even notwithstanding that, I think the pipeline is quite healthy in Canada at the moment. Now, you never know until they get to the courthouse, Sam, because these things have a tendency to suffer from worldwide settlements, but nothing is implying settlement yet, and I think the Canadian litigation should be okay this year, but let's just see. It is a variable business.

Okay. And just finally, just on China again, how do you feel about progress there in terms of trying to build share in terms of outbound work across Asia and into other secondary markets?

We're seeing certainly good traction of China into all the businesses. I've asked all the business unions to have a China strategy to execute and they are executing. I guess we probably see the most The most momentum coming into Southeast Asia where we have a large number of Chinese corporates have filed directly with us, probably more than what we see in ANZ and certainly there's some R&D from Chinese corporates done in Canada which we also do quite a bit of original drafting for. That's a lower margin business but it's quite a substantial business. But no, I think every business unit has to have a China focus at the same time. we're also getting good, healthy inflow of work into our own Chinese operations. So whether it be through the network of agents that we have in IPH or corporates coming in, mainly corporates coming in directly into China for us, and also, as I say, our own Canadian business into China, which has been very good for them. That number I gave, the 1,200 cumulative... referrals, business referrals, that's certainly seen great momentum in the last 12 months, probably on the back of the Bereska and Parr acquisition particularly which had a strong domestic client base and I must say that the now smart and bigger leadership team there have been able to segue a lot of that work into into their China offering, which is terrific. Yeah, those referrals have doubled in the last 12 months.

So it's really good momentum.

Right. Thank you. Thanks for taking my questions. Thanks, Dan.

The next question is a follow-up from Apoor Segal with Jordan. Please go ahead.

Hey guys, thanks for taking a few follow-ups from me. I wanted to ask about AI and Damon's question before about the cell filers that have seen a bit of a surge in applications using AI software. Andrew, could you just unpack what kind of risk does that present to the industry? Like if this becomes a bit more of an ongoing trend, does that eat away a bit at that upfront revenue pool? I know that examination works the cream for you guys, but that sort of upfront filing revenue, do you think that comes under a bit of pressure? if self-filing as a trend sort of picks up?

Yeah, fair question, the AP, but I don't think it's a big issue for us is that we're a secondary player. So drafting original applications is part of what we do, of course, but it's a small part of what we do, whether it's AI or the hard echo of the individual, it's still a small part of what we do. The biggest report, I think it's domestic revenue reports proportionally across the group as a whole would be 20%, maybe 22% and that's a combination of trade marks through to litigation for domestic clients but I think for us the AI story for us is certainly the technology underpinning AI which generates more complications to protect the AI technology, particularly out of China now I think 70% of the filings in AI over Chinese applicants in more recent times and how we utilise AI ourselves, whether it's we have three or four offerings at the moment going through the business. And it's so dynamic that you never want to pick and stick too closely because you've just got to see who wins this race. So we've got to be fairly nimble on it, but we're certainly putting a lot of effort into it, whether it's how we streamline our own operating process, how we draft our own patent applications and how we do our own patent prosecution particularly. All of it can be looked through our AI lens and that's probably the most exciting opportunity in the whole business at present.

And actually, on maybe the benefit side, my understanding is some of that upfront kind of drafting sort of work is often done by administrative staff, not necessarily your actual patent attorneys. Does that if you're kind of using more AI and automated sort of software internally, does that present some sort of cost-efficiency opportunity for some of that sort of upfront kind of work?

And are you seeing that... Yeah, look, I will say just on that, the graphing work can't be done by anyone other than patent attorneys or training patent attorneys under the supervision of a qualified attorney. It's just too difficult and it's too risky. So it does involve the professional. It is a labour-intensive process and I've done enough myself over 30 years and it is a tough process. So I think there's certainly an assistance, may I, to get a first draft, maybe even a second draft, but ultimately it's going to come out under the Labour Department. But I think, sure, it's useful in that we can have less labour involved in generating the first draft, But I think the biggest impact, given the fact that we are a secondary market and thereby a receiver of application and patent prosecution process, is how we use AI in receiving instructions, how we use AI to update our database, how we use AI to actually undertake the patent prosecution process. That's where the real value lies for us and that's where our focus is.

Okay, and just one more if I can on AI, just a topic of interest these days. The translation work you've done historically in Asia, just remind me, was that kind of translation work you're doing being disrupted by some of the competing AI products that were coming out in market? And can you just remind me, like, how big was that translation work you're doing in EBITDA terms?

We don't break up, you know, by that in EBITDA terms. It's not... significant proportion of the earnings of the group or revenue to be honest.

We don't have direct translators in the Asian business so we use third party translation across the region. What we do do is have a quality control within each office within Southeast Asia. There's only four countries that have translation in our space. Indonesia, Thailand and Vietnam. And we rely on our internal people to do quality control and check. And of course, there's a margin attached to what they bring to that. So we don't actually do the translation ourselves. I expect AI will have a role in translation. Of course it will. But we're not doing that first phase anyway.

Okay. And if I could have one last question, if I may. I'm just switching quickly to Canada. Just remind me, Andrew, when you bought Smart and Bigger late 2022, I think the partners had sort of four-year minimum term agreements? That's correct.

No, you're correct. You're correct. That's right. So October 26 would be their four-year roll-off term. And look, our managing director there in Smart and Bigger, a chap called Stuart Woody, you may have met, He stays pretty close to that principal group and I expect some will retire given their profiles, but we're also pleased to say a number have asked to continue, which is fantastic. So I don't expect a massive rush out the door in the context of those principals. They enjoy what they do. They're good professionals and Again, we love to have them stay on and I think the indication generally is that there's a last proportion will.

And of those who are deciding to step on, does that sort of come with a bit of a step up in compensation to keep them?

Oh, we don't talk about the indication. It's performance based remuneration now. APF is open for all of us. So the more, the better we perform, the better we get remunerated, which is good for everyone. So that's the nature of the world we live in now.

Okay, very good. Thanks for the time, guys. Appreciate it. Thanks, Arthur.

And this concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Dr. Blackman for any closing remarks.

Well, many thanks, everyone, for your interest and support. I'm pleased to see the result. Canadian story is fantastic. Asia returning to growth. I've had a very soft spot for Asia for a long time, and it's great to see it coming. I was in our Philippines office last week as we opened a new service office there. I was with Kale as we opened a new office because we're getting more people there. Great momentum coming through, and I have high hopes and confidence in the ANZ business will return. So that's where we are. We'll speak during the week, I'm sure. Thank you.

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