4/28/2025

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Good afternoon, everybody. Thank you for joining us once again. We have the quality webinar presentation from Metro Mining to be presented by CEO and Managing Director, Mr. Simon Wensley, and the Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Nathan Quinlan. He'll be walking us through the finer points. of the quarter just passed and milestones hit and the outlook for the coming weeks and months ahead. We'll have time for Q&A at the end and I remind you this webinar will be recorded and available for playback later on. I hand it over to you Simon.

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

Thanks Peter and good afternoon to everybody. Thanks again for joining us and for your interest in So I might just share the release from this morning so that we can do a brief run through and we'll leave plenty of time for questions afterwards. Sorry, so... Okay. Can you see that, Peter? Yes, that's coming through. Yeah, great. Okay, well, look, this was released on the ASX this morning, and obviously calendar first quarter of each year is, from a production point of view, a slow quarter or a low quarter. Obviously, there are lots of other activity going on, and we'll talk through that. But so... The course has started, as you might remember. We did have a vessel ready to load at the end of December going into January. Unfortunately, the monsoon season had set in and a window did not present itself to be able to load that vessel. So we negotiated to defer with the owners and the customer to defer that vessel until the restart of operations. And that, of course, affected our I guess receipts and Nathan's going to touch through the financials in a little bit but what it did mean though is that we had a significant amount of stock on the ground that had been already mined a lot of it had already been screened and some of it was even loaded on barges ready to go so I guess that gave us some confidence to restart a little bit earlier than we have in the past so our earliest ever commencement of official operations on the 11th of March. And even though it was still, we've had a very significant wet season. I was just looking at the numbers yesterday and we've had, you know, three metres of rain in about three months and higher than certainly the last couple of years. You know, we had that stock on the ground and that gave us some confidence to restart. Now, unfortunately, just about a week after restart, we had to evacuate most of the site and put the equipment into tie-down position and mobilise the marine equipment onto cyclone moorings because of a tropical cyclone. So that passed just to the south of us and there was effectively, other than a bit more no real impact at the site, but we did have some pretty large waves out front of the operation in the offshore area, up to six to seven metre waves, and so that did cause some impact on the channel. But we're in a much better position. Those of you who've been with us for a while might recall we did have some issues with that last year but we took some precautions at the end of last year to widen that channel and that allowed us to maybe lessen the impact of that this time around and we already had the bed levelling assets on site for the surveyor and the contract tugs supplemented by Metro and TSA tugs. So we've been going hard at restoring that. And we were able to restart, even with a restricted channel, we were able to restart barging a couple of days after the cyclone had passed through. So all in all, we produced, sorry, we shipped about 100,000 tons in the month of March. That is a record for March. And again, even with the cyclone, you know, we talked about a strategy to safely, you know, and, you know, in a way that is environmentally responsible to manage pushing in on that wet season to ship, you know, four, five, 600,000 tons, if we can, weather permitting, So we've just been able to take a bit of a step forward, even though the cyclone came in this year. And I think, you know, the ability for us to manage that cyclone safely, get everybody off, get everybody back on and get barging within a few days was really well managed by a combination of our team and the contractor team. So, look, a very good, I guess – you know, implementation of our crisis management processes. Look, I think the other part, obviously, then, was the maintenance. We do a lot of our annual maintenance in this wet season, so both on site, as we normally do, so mobile equipment, fixed plant, camp, et cetera, all get as much attention as they can, and we've sort of... probably spent a bit more money on that this year, just trying to get everything up to standard and be ready for what is going to be a very big year for us. And the other part of that which has been well-flagged was the departure of our offshore floating terminal, so Ikamba left in January to go to Indonesia and was laid up in a dry dock in Batam, just near Singapore, for some quite significant maintenance and upgrade programs as well as the statutory docking. We brought that forward a year because of some concerns over the slew bearing in one of the cranes, but we've also now completed a whole bunch of other maintenance work from, you know, sort of upgrading the boom loader, from the upgrading some of the hoppers and electrical systems and indeed upgrading the accommodation block and where people bed down overnight and some of the facilities there. So a lot of focus there. That's pretty much gone to plan. And we then took the opportunity to bunker with the fuel concerns, took the opportunity to We'd already always planned to do some of that, but we've effectively filled her up in Singapore to bring her back here to give us a little bit of buffer. So she cleared all of the inbound biosecurity and customs in Darwin and she's on her way back. She's got a few headwinds at the moment. She normally would travel at five to six knots. She's got some headwinds at the moment, so only doing about three, but still a rival currently around the 30th of April, possibly into the 1st of May, so we'll look at weather permitting, and at this point, you know, we're still very much on for our guidance, 6.6 to 7.1. So, I'll just touch a bit more on the market, and then I'll just sort of hand over to Nathan just to talk a bit about finances, and I think obviously it had a lot of inbound questions on the impact of the hostilities in the Middle East and you can see the impact of that on the aluminium sector. Now, I went into a bit of detail on this at the AGM last week, so if you're interested, please do. log in to the website and have a look at the video of the presentation of the AGM. But effectively there's about 6 million tons of smelting in the Middle East, 6 million tons per annum of smelting, you know, in and around the Emirates and Oman, Saudi, etc. So it is a pretty big, pretty strong, outside China it's probably the largest production area for aluminium metal. And so we've already seen three smelters being affected by the war. And prices were already on the march anyway in aluminium because of a deficit coming into this year of roughly 2 million tonnes. And this could create another annualised deficit of maybe another 2 or 3 million tonnes. And at the AGM last week, I did flag, well, look, I mean, if that occurred, then prices would go up. you know, at least to 4,000, maybe higher. And I think that what we may see here, and we're already seeing a little bit, is that the cap on smelting capacity in China is probably likely to be breached, and we can see that on a monthly basis in the last few months that China's been producing roughly annualized 46 to 47 million tons of aluminium, which obviously is good for demand for alumina. I mean, alumina is oversupplied, and you can see Prices have been relatively weak in aluminum since the spike that occurred at the end of 2024 coming into 2025. So we're still seeing, you know, prices, pretty weak prices with a lot of the aluminum, sorry, aluminum refineries around the world struggling to make money. So there needs to be a shakeout for sure. This has been coming for a while and you've got some of these older refineries, particularly inland China, that are sort of hanging on by their fingernails at the moment. And, you know, I think that this year they'll need to be a bit of a shake out there. That will affect bauxite demand, but a lot of it is based on, a lot of that refining capacity is based on domestic bauxite. So we'll probably see a bit more of Chinese domestic bauxite coming out. with those domestic alumina plants probably curtailing temporarily or closing permanently. We've seen a bit of an uptick in alumina. I think that's mainly just due to, I guess, reactions from the hostilities in the Middle East to do with freight and fuel, etc. I don't think it's a fundamental change in the supply-demand balance. Look, with respect to bauxite, Similarly to Illumina, we've seen sort of oversupply at the back half of last year into the first quarter of 2026. And we saw prices sort of drop to just about $60 a tonne for Guinea and below in the low 50s for the Australian benchmark. I mean, that's as low as they've been there and you can see certainly for the Australian benchmark that's as low as they've been since the beginning of 24 and in the case of Guinea since the beginning of 23 so we did see though some I guess reaction some elasticity reaction there we saw some declarations in February from a couple of producers in Guinea saying that they couldn't make money at that level and we're going to look at curtailing So I think, you know, what we've been talking about over the last year or two from a cost curve perspective, that the costs of the marginal supply in Guinea around about that sort of $65 per ton, I mean, I think that's been borne out in now. We've got proof of concept there. Again, in the AGM presentation, I've updated the cost curve, the cost curve analysis that we received from CM Group in a slide there and you'll see an outlook where we see that cost, that marginal cost out of Guinea probably rising up about $70 per tonne over the next few years. So I think long run the structure of the supply in Hawke's side is running in our favour and in terms of costs and of course at the same time Metro with our expansion is heading down the other way towards, you know, more towards that 30 US dollars per ton. Now, unfortunately for us, I mean, the results of the Middle East crisis from a bulk site perspective, you know, there's really little impact in terms of the supply-demand balance. There is some bulk site consumed, you know, obviously in the Middle East, but not that much about, you know, or like sort of five, six million tonnes in a market of, you know, over 250 in the Asia-Pacific, Middle East area. So it's not a huge amount. So that's not going to really affect either the supply or the demand for both sides. We have seen freight rates, though, rise considerably. And the freight from... Guinea, for example, has risen from around about 26, 27 US dollars per dry ton equivalent before the Middle East war to around about 36 to 37 US dollars per ton now. And so that will flow, obviously, into the cost of delivery and therefore the cost, you know, the total cost of delivery for Guinea Guinea and other West African bauxite into China. At the moment, though, there's still a fair amount of stock of bauxite on the ground in China, particularly based from the oversupply that's occurred in the last sort of six to nine months. So the situation is very different from the end of 24 when just some small changes in the market caused some quite hefty spikes, as you can see, there on the chart, the situation now is that we've got a fair bit more stock in the supply chain. And so this fuel or, you know, the freight shock, if you like, the freight price shock has really not yet been fully reflected. We have seen the price jump up. It was about $68 per tonne for Guinea, you know, at the end of the quarter coming into April. So we've not seen a full reflection of that freight change being passed on and that's because buyers, you know, are really sort of less, you know, sort of not yet concerned that they have to enough, that they have to sort of take all of that cost on board in buying the book site. But I think, you know, it does mean that I think we've hit the bottom. we are going to see prices move up. And I think the other element here is that if those prices can't be passed, sorry, if the costs for freight can't be passed on through price, that will just see the net FOB net back in Guinea drop even further than it was in February. And the Guinea government, which has, taken over some of the leases that it cancelled, you know, last year. It's now a producer of bauxite. It's going to be looking at its bottom line and it's not going to be making any money. So we have seen declarations from the Guinea government about setting quotas and we see that, I mean, the rumour is that they're looking to do it relatively quickly. The The number of 150 million tonnes has been mentioned, that's probably about a 50 million tonne reduction out of Guinea and that would of course obviously cause significant supply reduction in the market. I mean they're effectively like the OPEC of the bauxite world now and they'll be targeting a certain price and I've heard a mention of $90 to $100 a tonne for Guinea bauxite. Look, we'll see how that plays out. You know, I think that there's definitely a direction here and certainly I'd be expecting in the second half of the year for sure that we're going to see some higher prices in the bauxite market. So I might stop there and then Nathan, I'll just pass over to you to have just a quick run through the financials. Yeah, sure thing.

speaker
Nathan Quinlan
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Simon. I just wanted to touch on the financial position at the end of the quarter. So you'll recall from a cash position, we ended the year just shy of around $60 million, which goes very, very, very close to that net cash amount. I think we fell short by about $1 or $2 million. But that essentially end-of-year cash balance was really important to us for a couple of reasons, but essentially being able to make the right value decisions, particularly around shipping activities and so you'll see in terms of our net cash and operating activities, you'll recall in the previous period we had extended our season much further into January than what we did in the season just past by about two weeks and the product of that was the bronze stock of around 165,000 tonnes essentially got carried through to the start of the year and And what that meant for us is with a strong cash position and a strong balance sheet, it's effectively allowing us to not necessarily chase tonnes towards the end of the year where that weather gets a little bit more changeable and the incremental cost of that loading is certainly more expensive and not guaranteed a success in terms of finishing up the vessel. So really important to be in that position to essentially be able to make a good value decision around probability of completing those shipments and then essentially be able to carry that wrong stockpile forward into the start of the year, which has then allowed us to effectively underwrite the beginning of the season. And like Simon said, have that confidence to start as early as we ever have, knowing that with that stockpile on hand, even if we did get the rain that we did that interferes with the mining production side of things, is that we have the confidence of, as we did in this particular quarter, a meaningful result So even if you fall short of exactly what it was you intended, you still had a record march even in spite of a tropical cyclone. So that certainly, I think, very much vindicated that particular approach around ensuring that from a production perspective that we do allow ourselves that confidence of an early start, knowing that if we do commit and we bring and remobilise our force back on site, that we do so with the confidence of having stock on hand so that if we do see an extension of the wet season like we did this year where it was particularly rainy and, you know, caused some flooding in our pits, that we can still do something meaningful. So I think that's been very much indicated as the approach. It'll be something we want to keep exploring even further, like Simon mentioned of, you know, even starting to challenge, you know, much higher sort of stockpile levels. So I think... So that's been good. In terms of debt, we've been able to pay down debt during this quarter and be able to maintain that amortisation profile, which is fantastic. As you might recall, we did do a restructure of that Navarre Senior Facility just at the end of February there, where a significant proportion of that facility was deferred from 2026 into 2027. So that was, I think, a reasonable and prudent thing to do, just to manage short-term leverage in and of itself. But also what it did was provide us with that flexibility to actually implement our capital management policy, which we've done in the form of this buyback that we announced. So that buyback, now with the share consolidation otherwise executed and a couple of the recent headwinds in terms of the tropical cyclone, we're now in that position to be able to move forward with that 12-month program. In terms of FX exposure, so we've spoken about this a little bit before, but we're in a reasonably good position at the moment with $165 million of our net USD exposure hedged at the moment at a realised rate of $0.64. So well in the money relative to current price or current rate. That represents probably about 75% of our exposure for the year. So we're well-placed at the moment and won't necessarily be looking to rush in to open any further positions, particularly with where the USD rate is at the moment. But obviously very closely tracking an inflated crude price. So until we see that crude oil price start to settle down and then hopefully the USD follow, we'd be looking to probably stay out of the market for a little while. Thanks, Simon.

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

Yeah, thanks, Nathan. Yeah, and I'm sure there'll be, you know, I guess sort of confronting it head on, you know, questions about the buyback. And I think, you know, as we announced that at the end of February, that's, you know, when the hostilities in the Middle East, you know, took off, you know, that was quickly followed by, I guess, the realisation, you know, within weeks that the Straits of Hormuz would be, would be held hostage here and, you know, creating this sort of, you know, fuel crisis. And I think, you know, with the cyclone there and with, you know, waiting to understand how Ecumba, you know, was faring on its maintenance program and return to its back, you know, I think we've thought it prudent just to pause and delay the implementation of that. I mean, I think the nature of that buyback is still exactly, you know, the objective is still there. I mean, we still feel the company is significantly undervalued and, you know, we'll be embarking on that at the right time. But certainly, you know, now that when it comes back and we're ready to go, I think that is the opportunity for us to start that program. So, yeah, look, just a kind of, I guess, as we've tried to do since over the last number of years is to be prudent and pragmatic and risk-aware around these positions and making decisions in the full nature about what's going on in the external environment. Okay, look, I might pause there. There's obviously more in the report around operations, around ESG, around expiration, et cetera. So I encourage you to sort of have a good look at that, some excellent stuff going on inside the company as well. So please take your time to read through the whole thing. But, look, Peter, happy to take some questions.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Yes, and there's always one about the incumbent. It's a fascination for the ship, which I know you love as well. The question here is, is there likely to be no need for incumbent to leave for any wet season maintenance in the next few years?

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

Yeah, the current expectation and plan is that we now have about five years with her on station here. Look, I mean, we have to keep a really strong eye on some of the corner critical parts of her operation, the two cranes, the boom loader, etc. being probably the three largest pieces of kit that we need some help in working with. You can bring large cranes to to the site to help, but that's often more expensive than towing her to a shipyard. There are closer shipyards in PNG, etc., if we needed to do some urgent stuff, but right now the full expectation is we don't need to go for another five years, but we'll be monitoring all of those aspects, and there are kind of I guess, hybrid alternatives to her having to go as far as Batam to get the, and that was a combination of, I think, both cost and schedule and quality from the shipyard. So we were looking at a number of different factors when we chose that option. And, of course, having the ability to load with the floating crane and with the gear vessels that's allowed us to still get going even with the cumbers absences.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Thank you. Next question is, the report notes that the March ship loading was disrupted by tropical cyclone Narelle, with related customer seats delayed. Can you give us a sense of April to date progress? How many vessels have been loaded and departed, and roughly what level of customer seats have landed in the month so far?

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

Nathan, do you want to... I mean, look, we normally... I'll let Nathan sort of get a bit more specific, but At the end of each month we publish a bit of a short summary of the previous month. We're not far away from that at the moment. So we'll give you sort of full disclosure on what's being loaded and that's not just about vessels that have departed but the amount we've actually mined and shipped. So usually within three or four days at the end of the month we'll put something out that covers that. We didn't actually have a ship leave during I think the 1st of April we actually, the first vessel departed. But Nathan, do you want to add any more colour to that?

speaker
Nathan Quinlan
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, sure thing, sure thing. So particularly the first of the cat-sized vessels was the one that was probably the most delayed. Like Simon said, it will come out with a really good production update. very shortly as the month closes out, but otherwise from a customer receipts perspective, you know, very normal collection activity just in terms of, you know, as most of you know, we'll collect on letters of credit so as soon as those vessels are completed loading, we're more or less able to turn that into cash and liquidity. So the impact of March has otherwise been addressed in April and we're in a sort of normal collection routine now.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

There's a question here regarding outstanding receivables from Q1, but are there any that we're yet to see, or is the low cash on hand just reflective of the delayed sailing of a number of vessels?

speaker
Nathan Quinlan
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, certainly impact on the delay from the cyclone. There was a modest amount of receivables, very similar to sort of year-over-year, around a couple of mil. But I think from a cash balance perspective, you know, like I mentioned, you know, the value was really in being able to start as early as we did. But even as importantly as, you know, and obviously we track and forecast these things, you know, also being in a position to be able to fully execute the work season maintenance program, including a lot of optimizations that, we were able to perform on the encumber. So not having to necessarily make sort of value-impacting decisions or things like that to try and manage sort of cash balance. So we've been able to sort of get maximum value out of our year-end cash position.

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

I think we've been able to prepay some fuel as well during this period and And, you know, the cost of the program has been higher than maybe we initially had thought, but that's been more about extra scope than it has been about anything else. So we've just taken the opportunity to do things that we think we need to do to make sure we're as ready as we can be for, you know, for what is going to be a big year.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Perhaps this is silly related. Nathan, could you please provide some clarity on the expected reduction in FOB pricing from quarter 1.25 to quarter 2.26? Is the FOB price you received referenced on a realised price or index basis? The impression of this questioner was that the reduction in legacy contracts would offset the decline in the box-up price.

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

I might start that, Peter. So look, I think the pricing falls that we saw up to the end of February were probably larger than we might have hoped, sort of sitting in December, January, when we were sort of looking at the market. So the price continued to fall, you know, continuously right the way through until, until the end of February. So, and I think the, you know, I guess the impact of that is that, you know, we round about that end of February, that's when we are pricing, you know, end of February, beginning of March, that's when we are pricing the Q2 sort of numbers. So, you know, you can see there from when we priced, obviously, Q4, you know, round about September time when we had, you know, guinea price was sort of above 75 and we're pricing, you know, sort of our Q2 numbers when the guinea price is close to 60. So it's sort of been quite a significant fall in price over that period. So I think at the time we'd been hoping that as as the questioner alluded to, that the legacy pricing removal would offset that. But it's not been quite that way. So, yeah, look, we tried to represent in that number a price received rather than an index basis. So looking, you know, we obviously have all of our Q2 customers priced. So this still depends on on the sales mix, which cargos, you know, the end of June cargos, you know, we run a schedule about 20, 21 days. And so the precise number of cargos to the customer are not yet fully understood. And there'll be a little bit of a trade-off. It also represents... some higher freight costs in this quarter because of the Cumber not being around so we've used a number of geared vessels in April and so their freight is significantly higher than a Cape size vessel and we've been obviously making the trade off, we're still making money out of those out of those cargoes, but the margin is just reduced. So on a like for like basis, we're seeing a number of moving parts for that FOB net back price to be guided as to what we have.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Um, demurrage. Simon, or Regan, is there any impact from demurrage or cost impacts for quarter one that it's worth discussing?

speaker
Nathan Quinlan
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, I hope you can answer that, Simon. There'll be a marginal amount. I think, you know, the most sort of important implication for us, particularly with Tropical Cyclone Narelle, was that their harbour master actually closed the port for a period of time, which is an important element. essentially as a protection for us on demurrage, similar to sort of a force majeure type condition within those standard charter party contracts. So we're afforded a good deal of protection there on a number of those. And the other impact for us is, Simon just mentioned the gear vessels as well. We were pretty conservative in some of the loading rates. that we were expecting out of those gears at the start of the year and so what that essentially means is with the more conservative loading rates under those freight contracts is that you essentially bear the higher cost of that freight upfront within the freight invoicing itself and then reduce the risk of demurrage. So for the most part we would expect the cost of those vessels to have been realised.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Thanks, Nathan. And Simon, that concludes our questions here. So any final comments or something for the forward-looking activities for the company and the shareholders?

speaker
Simon Wensley
CEO & Managing Director

Yeah, so look, I think, you know, we... 2026 has always been our, you know, target for the 7 million tonne demonstration. That is still firmly on the cards for us. We're obviously now seeing, you know, at the end of April, much more stable weather conditions. Ecamba will be, you know, back within a few days and operating pretty soon thereafter. So, look, you know, it's all about to start to ramp up. You know, the sweet spot of the year is sort of normally... August, September, October, you know, November, that's when we have the best tides, the best weather, et cetera. So, you know, that's always our strongest point. But we know we need to get off to a good start and that's what we're planning. I think the operating changes we've made, you know, are bearing fruit and we've got a really good, I think, sort of integrated planning process now that's starting to bear down and the execution – on-site, very focused, a lot of cost-saving ideas coming through as well as the productivity stuff that we've been driving. So a stable environment now from May onwards is what we're after and that will enable us to use the foundation of what we've done in Q1 in April to hit those targets. So that's absolutely what we're planning and you know, if we can do that, our costs will be, you know, we're looking for that, heading towards that $30 a ton US. Look, fuel is about 10% of our cost, roughly, so about $3 a ton last year. I mean, we've hedged the fuel for most of our freight is already hedged as part of our contract, so, you know, we won't be seeing escalation that we touched on for Guinea and even some of our Australian competitors may see, you know, fuel escalation in their, in their costs. But most of our freight, you know, 80, 80 to 85% of our freight's already, already covered. And so, but, but our site, our site-based fuel is not hedged. So, so we'll, you know, we may see a dollar, a dollar or two in costs from, depending on, on how, how it goes for the rest of the year with this, with this sort of, Middle Eastern hostilities and, you know, but I think most of us are thinking that even if the war was to stop tomorrow, it's still going to take, you know, several months for the fuel systems to reorganise themselves. But, you know, we're well supplied at the moment, working very closely with our suppliers. We've got as expected stock on the ground for that and so, you know, that's how we're That's how we are thus far. So, look, in pretty good shape.

speaker
Peter
Moderator / Investor Relations

Tremendous. Thank you very much, Simon. Thank you, Nathan. And thank you for everybody joining us here today. The recording of this will be available once we've loaded it and distributed the link. And we look forward to seeing you again next time. Thank you. Thank you.

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