8/28/2025

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the NCIL Industry Limited 2025 Half Year Results. All participants are in listen-only mode. There will be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you wish to ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. I would now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Justin Werner, Managing Director. Please go ahead.

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Justin Werner
Managing Director

Thank you and thank you everyone for your attendance at the Nickel Industries 2025 half year results presentation. If I could just ask the moderator to move to the next slide please. We continue to play a leading role in responsible and sustainable mining. At the Hang Jaya mine over 22.6 million work hours have been registered since our last LTI, which was over five years ago in November of 2021. Cross-group operations, 12-month lost-time injury frequency rates, LTFI, at the end of June was 0.05, no lost-time injuries, and that was against 4.6 million man-hours work. For the 12 months to 30 June 2025, there were 18.6 million work hours registered with just one single LTI occurring. On the sustainability front, Continued strong progress continues to be made. The establishment of the Nickel Industries Foundation, which allows us to get even more embedded in Indonesia in social and economic development projects. And these projects are focused on education, health, environment and economic empowerment. We took a maiden intake for our first 10 university scholarship recipients and they're performing very well at the university. and achieving excellent results. Finally, we established one of only in Indonesia for nickel mining, a conservation and biodiversity area within our Hang Jaya mining concession, which will be used as an area to protect, promote and study endemic flora and fauna species. If we could just move to the next slide, please. First half of 2025, adjusted EBITDA of US $159.3 million, slightly above the first half of 2024, which was $155.7 million and profit after tax of $25.5 million. That was an 80% increase on the $14 million that was recorded in the first half of 2024. In terms of production, over 62,000 tonnes of nickel in NPI was produced and over 4,000 tonnes of nickel in MHP. Our RKEF EBITDA, US $78.3 million, and I'll talk a little bit later on about RKEF EBITDA performance. The Hang Jaya mine has really been a standout, particularly for the first half of this year. Mine production in excess of 11.5 million wet metric tonnes. Mine adjusted EBITDA of US$70.3 million, which is a significant improvement on the first half of 2024 as the mine continues to ramp up. And we continue to focus on expanding our mine production with an increased RKAB from 9 to 19 million tonnes, which is progressing well. And we already have approval for a feasibility study. Approval of the environmental study is in the final stages and imminent. And then that will allow us to further increase the RKAB at the Heng Jaya mine where we're making very strong margins. And finally, the mine also continues to be a leader in responsible mining. Awarded our third consecutive green proper rating. And over the next year or two, we'll be striving to achieve the coveted gold status. On other corporate matters, we continue to develop the world-class Sampala project with a lot of drilling. Over 160,000 metres of drilling has been undertaken. We feel very strongly that that has the potential to host in excess of a billion people. wet metric tonnes which at today's margin of sort of $10 to $11 you can start to appreciate the size and scale of that sand parlour project. A lot of work is already being completed in terms of haul roads, feasibility studies and so we look forward to bringing that into production next year. Very strong progress being made at the EMC HPAL. The cathode plant has been completed. The sulphate plant, we're looking at completion around October of November and then finally the MHP plant towards the end of this year and we will look to target production probably early in 2026 and we are looking at options of, again, commissioning the cathode plant sometime in October and November just to bring that slightly forward ahead of schedule. If we could just move to the next slide please. You can see the key metrics in the table here and I'll just touch on a few of them. Gross $114.8 million up 19%, operating profit $98.7 million up 12%, profit after tax up 81%. What we had was we had lower EBITDA from our RKF operations and that was despite an improving NPI price predominantly driven by higher costs and those costs are related to shortages of oil and significant premiums being paid for raw. I think what it's highlighting is those companies with integrated operations such as ONI, which has integrated oil supply, integrated power, are performing much better than those that don't. But that's been the driver behind the decrease in RKEF EBITDA. But pleasingly, that's been more than made up for with very strong performance from our Angiomine. So adjusted EBITDA has gone up 76% from $39.9 to $70.3 million. This type of economics bodes very well for the development of the Sampala project given very low capital base but currently very strong margins and then finally pleasingly we're seeing increased EBITDA from our 10% ownership in the HNC HPEL and that again bodes very well for the commissioning of ENC towards the end of this year. If you could just go to the next slide please. In terms of the balance sheet You can see there total liabilities has come down slightly and that is due to some of our debt is now amortising and so we are focused on a refinancing of our debt stack as we do have bank and bond debt that is starting to amortise, the bond starting in October. and the bank debt has already commenced. The focus of that refinancing will be to extend the tenner and lower the cost of money so that we can optimise the current debt stack. In relation to that, we deferred our remaining payments for EMC of US $126.5 million to 1st of January and a further $126.5 to the 1st of April. That will allow us to benefit from two or three further quarters of production in EBITDA, but also gives us breathing space in terms of, as I mentioned, hopefully refinancing that debt stack and to remove a lot of that amortisation and just to push out the tenants. We could just go to the next slide please. This is just an adjusted EBITDA to profit reconciliation and you can see the impact there on FX losses, interest expense depreciation and amortisation but really the bottom line is the net profit after tax. which as I mentioned earlier is up almost 80% from $14 million in the first half of last year to $25.5 million for the first half of this year. If we could just move to the next slide please. We had slightly lower production from our NPI operations this year. That was as a result of maintenance that's been undertaken. We had to realign some kilns after heavy rainfall and flooding and there was also some maintenance undertaken across two of the power plants. The big driver in RKEF EBITDA has been that increase in cash costs that you can see there. That's gone from $9,716 to $10,000. and that's been driven by higher oil prices where we're seeing premiums up to $25 above the market price. Pleasingly, we have seen an increase in the NPI price which has gone from $11,290 to $11,350 and continues to be on a slight upward trend. That increase in costs is what's led to a lower adjusted EBITDA and lower EBITDA per tonne margins, which were down from 1,677 the prior year to 1,251. If we could just go to the next slide, please. HBAL operations continue to perform very well for the first half of 2025. Production was again above the first half of 2024 and HNC is now consistently operating at well above nameplate capacity. Cash costs have remained relatively stable. There has been a slight increase from $7,155 to $7,538. But the EBITDA tonne per margin is sitting around greater than $5,900 a tonne. If you're looking at that HNC table, those numbers are 4,562 but remembering that this is HNC to Syncreation the marketing company, there's a further margin of about 1,400 a tonne from Syncreation the marketing company to the end buyer. So margins have remained stable which we see as a positive. And you can see first half of 2024, combined EBITDA between HNC and SYNCreation of 22.6. First half of 2025, that's up 20% to 27.7, so 27.1. So again, bodes very well for ENC margins. Margins are holding up strongly in the HPAL space. If we could just move to the next slide, please. This is where I think we've seen the most pleasing improvement. We've seen adjusted EBITDA go from US$39.9 million in the first half of 2024 to US$70.3 million in the first half of 2025. That's up 76% and we're confident in being able to double and take these production numbers to the 19 million tonne RKAB that we're targeting. Pleasingly, we have seen a reduction in costs and that's probably being more driven by the larger number of volumes that are being sold and mined. So Hing Chai Mine remains a strong, consistent port performer within the portfolio. If we could just go to the next slide. Finally our E&C project update. As I mentioned Cathode plant is now complete. We are potentially looking at commissioning that in October or November of this year. We did decide to defer it from the original date of July just given the timing of the commercial sales licence which we would expect to receive in around January or early Q1. You can see from the photos there that all of the key equipment is pretty much fabricated and erected and so it will be an exciting milestone towards the end of this year when we start to commission the ENC project. a robust first half performance despite a number of challenges and continued soft nickel price. We're seeing very good results out of the Hang Jaya mine and we're looking to double that production. We obviously have the development of Sampala progressing very well where we would expect to see similar numbers. RKEF is holding steady despite slight increase in costs and one of the aims of SAMPALA will be to bring self-sufficiency to our IMIP RKEFs, which should see a significant improvement in their EBITDA per tonne margins. And pleasingly, as I said, the margins at HNC HPAL are holding up around 6,000 a tonne. which bodes very well for first production out of ENC and is showing that significant EBITDA per ton improvement over RKEFs where our better RKEFs were looking at sort of 1700 to 2000 versus 6,000 to 7,000 from our HPAL operations. With that, I'm happy to hand over to questions.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. If you wish to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you wish to cancel your request, please press star then two. If you are on a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before you ask your question. The first question is from Adam Baker with Macquarie. Please go ahead.

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Adam Baker
Analyst, Macquarie

Hi, Justin. Morning. Thanks for the presentation. Just maybe a question on the balance sheet, if I could. And just focusing in on that debt refinancing, you know, I noticed in the slide pack you mentioned potential refinancing in the 4Q or the 1Q next year, noting that you've got cash-in-cash reserves, $145 million, $228 million of current borrowings, and then the $253 million of the ENC HPAL acquisition payments over the next seven months. I'm just wondering if you could talk us through what other levers have you got left that you could pull other than potential debt refinancing that you flagged?

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Justin Werner
Managing Director

Thanks Adam. I'll let Chris do it.

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Chris
Chief Financial Officer

I can take that. Thanks Adam. Adam, we've actually just entered into a commitment letter with two financial institutions for a US $100 million loan facility that will support our near-term working capital requirements and we expect to finalise the long-form binding facility agreement in the coming weeks. In parallel with that, it is correct that we are actively evaluating a range of alternative debt funding options to optimise the capital structure. As Justin mentioned earlier, these will enhance the company's credit profile, improve our liquidity through the refinancing of the existing senior unsecured notes and all the bank facilities. And as Justin mentioned, we're focusing on extending the debt tenner, optimising the AMALT schedule or removing AMALT schedule, particularly out of the bond, and reducing our funding costs where possible. Other levers, obviously there's a big lever in there being the ANC CapEx payments. We will continue to have discussions with Shanghai Decent. No formal discussions have been had yet regarding pushing those payments back if they were actually required. The reason we haven't had formal discussions is we don't believe they're required based on how we're looking at our debt refinancing. If it did come to fruition that we needed it, we believe that Shanghai Decent still remains very supportive to the company, as they've shown throughout, I guess, our entire list of history.

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Adam Baker
Analyst, Macquarie

That's great. Thanks for that. And maybe just secondly on the dividend, you know, notice that you've withdrawn that. Is that just a case of, you know, prudent balance sheet management or how should we be thinking about... How should we think about how you guys think about the dividend moving forward?

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Chris
Chief Financial Officer

I think you answered it yourself, Adam. It's prudent balance sheet management. Whilst we're looking to continue to keep the balance sheet strong and refinance, I don't think it's a sensible thing to be paying out money right now. Great. Thanks, Justin and Chris.

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Jack Whelan
Analyst, Citi

Thanks, Adam. Thanks, Adam.

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Operator
Conference Operator

The next question is from Jack Whelan with Citi. Please go ahead.

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Jack Whelan
Analyst, Citi

Hi. Morning, Justin and Chris. So two from me this morning. First one, do you have an update on the expected 110 mil of VAT refunds, and do you have confidence in that coming in, and how should we think about the timing?

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Chris
Chief Financial Officer

Yeah, Justin, I'll take that as well. Thanks for the question, Jack. We don't have any update on timing. I think I've said on our last call we're expecting it within the next 6 to 12 months and that's still the case. We are in dialogue with the Indonesian government from time to time and this is just their normal process as you would have seen with other projects. It just takes a while to get that through back from the government but we are very confident that it will come in within that timeframe.

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Jack Whelan
Analyst, Citi

Cool. Thanks. and I see you're awaiting final environmental study approval to get the arc hub for the Heng Jaya mine to go to 19 million tonnes per annum. What's the timing expectation for this and also Sampala getting to 6 million tonnes per annum?

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Justin Werner
Managing Director

Yeah, timing on the RKAB is by the end of September and timing for an RKAB at Sampala for 6 million is also end of this year. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Once again, if you wish to ask a question, please press star then 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Your next question is from David Coates with Bell Potter Securities. Please go ahead.

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David Coates
Analyst, Bell Potter Securities

Great. Thank you. Thanks, Justin and Chris, for your time this morning and the presentation. Just wondering if you can give us a bit more background into the factors going into whether or not to commission the cathode plant at the EMC HPAL.

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Justin Werner
Managing Director

Yeah, thanks Dave. We did bring the construction forward to July of this year. And the intention was that we would start commissioning them. Although, you know, we're understanding that, you know, and this is something that we've done in the past with RKEFs, that the sales licence actually doesn't come until, you know, full physical completion of the whole plant. So it was our intention just to start to produce cathode and stockpile it in readiness for the IUI. Just given the draw on working capital and the requirement to purchase MHP, which MHP at the moment, the payabilities are actually very high. And so it's really the draw on working capital, the high cost of MHP. We've just decided to delay that slightly. And again, it comes down to making sure we keep the balance sheet in strong shape. We don't want to be drawing down working capital and then holding on to finished stock that we can't sell for a number of months.

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David Coates
Analyst, Bell Potter Securities

Understood. But have you brought it forward from January to October now? Sorry.

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Justin Werner
Managing Director

We are looking at October, November. Cool. Okay. Thanks, Justin. Cheers. Thanks, Ab.

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Operator
Conference Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'll now hand the call back over to Mr. Werner for closing remarks.

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Justin Werner
Managing Director

Yeah, thanks, everyone. I think, you know, despite continued nickel price challenges, companies performed very well, you know, delivered a stronger EBITDA than the previous year, seeing very strong growth in the mining sector and, you know, We expect further growth there with an imminent release of an RKAB. That requires no capex for that increase in mine sales. And then we have E&C commissioning just over the horizon where margins remain strong around $7,000 a tonne. So that's it. Thank you everyone.

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Operator
Conference Operator

This does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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