Sandfire Resources Limited

Thank you for standing by and welcome to the Sandfire Resources September 2022 quarterly results call. All participants are in listen-only mode. There'll be a presentation followed by a question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, you'll need to press the star key followed by the number one on your telephone keypad. I'd now like to hand the conference over to Mr. Ben Crowley, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Good morning, good afternoon everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our quarterly presentation for the September 22 quarter. With us today in the room we have Jason Grace, our Acting CEO, Matt Fitzgerald, our Chief Financial Officer, Richard Holmes, Executive for Growth, and David Wilson, Head of Technical Services. Jason will take us through some of the operational highlights today. Matt will, as usual, cover off on the finance. So with that, I will hand over to Jason.

Thanks, Ben, and welcome to today's webcast. Over the last year, SANFIRE's execution of our strategy has delivered an excellent portfolio of high-quality operating mines, development and exploration projects. And we've transitioned from being a truly single operation WA miner to being a genuine international copper producer. Our values of honesty, respect, collaboration, accountability and performance are key to Samphire's culture and they guide our activities across every part of the business. When we consider that Samphire is one of the largest copper-focused miners listed on the ASX, That there is an inevitable increase in demand for copper in the future, driven by the global energy transition. That we have a dominant presence in four mineral provinces that have excellent organic and inorganic growth opportunities. That Samphire has proven capability as an explorer, developer and operator of copper mines. And on the back of the MATS acquisition, and the recently approved expansion of Mateo to a 5.2 million tonne per annum capacity, Samphire now has a firm production growth pathway over the next three years to over 110,000 tonnes of copper and over 80,000 tonnes of zinc production per annum. In my mind, Samphire represents an excellent investment opportunity and for our people it will be an exciting company to be part of over the next few years. If we now move to the September quarter highlights at a company level, consolidated copper production totaled just over 28,000 tonnes with zinc at 19,500 tonnes for the period. The Mateo copper mine development continues to be on track and construction is now well advanced. The Mateo 5.2 million tonne per annum expansion feasibility study was also completed during the quarter and the SAFIRE board green-lighted the approval for the development of the project. As mentioned in the last slide, this key step has now positioned Samphire to become a 10 million tonne per annum operator with firm production growth pathway for both copper and zinc over the next three years. Looking now at key company results for the quarter, sales revenue totaled $214.7 million with operations EBITDA at $87 million, a group EBITDA of $64.8 million and an EBITDA margin of 40%. As touched on in the last slide, consolidated copper production totaled just over 28,000 tonnes with zinc at 19,500 tonnes for the period. C1 costs for the group were $1.73 per pound of payable copper and cash holdings for the company were just over $190 million after making $215.5 million in scheduled payments for the MATSA and corporate debt facilities. And examining in more detail at group metal production for Q1, performance was in line or exceeded the company's expectations, noting that copper was a balance of marginally lower than expected production from Matza, offset by higher production from De Grasse, mostly as a result of higher grades from Monty during the period. Zinc production exceeded plan as a result of continued reduction in stoke dilution and minor changes to the mine plan at Matza, and gold, silver and lead production was generally in line with plan. Given this good start to the year and SANFAR now extending all processing operations at Degrossa to include transitional and low-grade ore stockpiles, which I'll cover in more detail in the Degrossa section, we have now lifted copper production guidance from 81,000 to 89,000 tonnes to 83,000 to 91,000 tonnes and increased gold production from 10,000 to 12,000 ounces to now 12,000 to 14,000 ounces. Previously stated zinc, lead and silver guidance is maintained for the full year.

Moving to cash flow and as we flagged in the financials call around a month ago, the balance sheet is transitioning during financial 23 as we build a brand new operation in Botswana with Mateo pay debt and deleverage the balance sheet and the De Grassa operations, albeit with processing extensions. So we started the quarter at the end of the financial year at $463 million, just under $100 million of combined cash flows from the two operations, being De Grassa and MATSA at this stage. The QP adjustments, as we talked about previously, with the reducing copper price coming off the back end, largely coming off the back end of last financial year. The debt repayments, as Jason mentioned, $118 million first debt repayment successfully completed at MATSA and then we reduced our corporate facility by $150 million Australian dollars or $98 million US for $215 million in total. As we said, as the balance sheet transitions, we're also investing in growth and we spent in cash flow terms, $50 million in the Botswana project as it gets closer and closer to production early in the June quarter of next year, of 23. Another $25 million at Matza on predominantly mine development as we work towards accessing new areas, which will also lead into rising copper and zinc production into the next few quarters. And also another $10 million in terms of Degrassa and our project at Black Butte in the US and Montana, so for $85 million in total. So we finished the quarter around $190 million US in terms of cash flow as we continue that balance sheet transition. The Mateo facility was pleasingly executed during the quarter and we, for $140 US million, which is the base of our $3.2 million base case development at Mateo, and we've pleasingly also drawn down the first $55 million drawdown under that facility early in the month of October, so just after the end of this quarter. So it's not in those cash balances that I mentioned previously. There's also considering, as we've flagged previously, around a target facility $180 million to $200 million total debt facility, combination of debt facilities, including working capital and any further development facilities to incorporate A4, and we'll continue to consider those over the coming quarters as we come into first production, as I said, early in the June quarter of 2023, and then move up to that 5.2 million tonne rate after that first commissioning. In terms of hedge book, Just stating the numbers there, 20,000 tonnes at 9,300 in terms of copper, 25% above current spot. And in total, our remaining hedge book is 55,000 tonnes, around 9,100 per tonne of copper. On the zinc side, 22,000 tonnes remaining for the financial year at around 3,000, around current spot, within 5% of current spot. And in terms of the total hedge book, 64,000 tonnes of zinc per... at around 2,800 US per tonne, and that hedging extends out until January 2025.

Okay, if we now move on to operations review and outlook, and starting with our HSEC snapshot, the Samphire Group TRIFR closed out the quarter at four, which is slightly up from 3.8 as at the end of the June quarter. This was mainly a result of a slight increase in the number of low potential injuries at MATSA, And I know the team there continue to work very hard on elimination of all injuries. Given the background of the ramp down of production at De Grasse, the team there have continued to operate safely and managed to improve overall safety performance throughout the quarter. And finally, as a highlight, Samphire was very proud to release the 2022 sustainability report on the 14th of October to provide an update on the progress we have made on our ESG goals in the areas of our people, water, climate change, biodiversity and business integrity. If we now look out to the full year, as mentioned before at a group level we are providing updated guidance that includes an increase in copper and gold production guidance with zinc, lead and silver guidance being maintained for the full year. Group C1 guidance has increased to US$1.72 per pound for the year, which is predominantly due to the impact of higher energy prices in Spain. For capital, we are maintaining mine development, sustaining, exploration and studies capital guidance. And Mateo development capital has increased in line with the previously announced approval of the 5.2 million tonne per annum Mateo expansion project. Finally, MATSA and DeGrasse DNA are forecast to be $250 million and $16 million respectively. Looking now at group production throughout the full year, we're also providing a quarter by quarter outlook for metal production. You'll note from this slide that copper production peaks in the first quarter. This trend is driven by the run of mine production at DeGrasse only occurring over the first four months of the year. followed by processing of lower-grade stockpiles through to January 2023. Gold production throughout the year follows the same path and also for the same reasons. Zinc production has a different trend, with lower production expected in Q1 and Q2 than stepping up over the following two quarters. The main reason for this is the progression of the mine plan at Matza and in particular the mine plan at Aguas Canitas. Drilling down into the production guidance at an asset level, and I won't go through all of the numbers here, as it will be covered in more detail later in the presentation. You will note that for copper, zinc, lead and silver, MATSA is either the main or sole contributor, with FY23 being the first full year of production under Sandfire's ownership. Degrassi continues to be a significant contributor to copper and gold production, despite only having four months of run of mine production, followed by three months of stockpile processing. And Matteo is also forecast to commence copper and silver production late in the financial year. And now moving on to MATSA operations. With the formal integration of MATSA into SANFIRE now completed, we're moving into the next stage, which is to get the best out of MATSA and ultimately establish a solid base for a multi-decade operation. To deliver this, we will continue to improve safety performance through development of the right culture and fit for purpose systems. We will continue recent improvements made in mine productivity to stabilise and reliably deliver a 4.7 million tonne per annum production rate. We'll also use our technical knowledge and skills to extend mine life through execution of an expanded in and near mine resource extension drilling program. and undertake technical studies to convert mineral resources to ore reserves. And finally, we will establish a pipeline of new ore sources through investment in regional exploration. Looking now at the September quarter, on-balance MATSA production for the period was good, with copper production closing out the quarter marginally below plan, with close to 13,750 tonnes of copper production and zinc production at 19,500 tonnes for the period. Metal sales were slightly lower than production due simply to the timing of sales and this delivered an operations EBITDA of US$39.7 million with a good EBITDA margin of 33%. Since acquisition, MATSA has continued to deliver reliable mine production with performance in the September quarter achieving an annualised rate of approximately 4.5 million tonnes across all three mines. This performance is primarily due to improved short-term planning approaches and optimisation of stoke designs and stoke turnaround. And during the quarter, this improvement was partially offset by lower backfilling rates at Magdalena. Overall mine copper grades were in line with expectations with zinc and lead grades slightly above plan. Increased zinc grades are a result of continued reduction in stope dilution and slight changes to the timing of production sequence at Magdalena providing a focus on polymetallic ores and delaying the extraction of copper stopes until later in the year. Ore processing for the June quarter was below mine production rates and achieved an annualised processing rate of 4.3 million tonnes per annum. This rate was impacted by an unplanned maintenance event on Line 3, which was to repair leaks in the deep cone thickener during July. It is noted that this work was planned later in the year, and particularly Q4, and we do expect increased mill availability during that period. Looking now at the full year... full year, production guidance for MATSA remains unchanged at 60,000 to 65,000 tonnes of copper, 78,000 to 83,000 tonnes of zinc, 6,000 to 10,000 tonnes of lead and 2 to 3 million ounces of silver. Noting the complexity associated with the production of both copper ore and polymetallic ore across the mining operation, we have included a breakdown of production tonnes and grade for each of the three underground mines. Looking at production through the year, it is expected that overall copper production will have an increasing trend quarter on quarter. Zinc is a similar story where we will start the year at a lower production rate and then step up in the December quarter to maintain an annualized zinc production rate of approximately 85,000 tons per annum. This trend in zinc production is again driven by mine grade and in particular mine production at Aguas Tanitas. transitioning from a high to low tonnage rate from the stockwork ore body early in the year. And this ramp down in stockwork ore production is progressively replaced by increasing production from massive sulphide ore from the down-fung western extension of the main Aguastinez ore body.

Moving into MATSA operating costs, you can see on this slide five quarters of actual operating costs and three forecast quarters. Just pointing out some of the impacts there, you'll see in the treatment and refining charges increasing in the back half of the year, which is in line with the increased production that Jason just spoke through. In terms of mining and processing, the main driver is power, so we'll move on to the next slide and look at that in a little more detail. Actual power prices in the quarter were €270 per megawatt hour, which is very much at the upper end of the range we guided in the previous quarter. Electricity is running at 21% of our C1 cost before byproduct credits for that quarter. In Spain, the gas price cap mechanism remains in place, and that is keeping some downward pressure on prices. That's still scheduled to run through till May next year. What we have included this quarter is some indication of the forward curves. So the latest forward curves are indicating an electricity price for the coming quarter of between 260 to 270 euro per megawatt hour. That's inclusive of the gas cap mechanism compensation payment. In terms of addressing these cost challenges, the solar farm at the Sotiela and Magrira site is progressing. Our main focus is obviously on the new supply contract. Our spot contract expires in December this year. We're continuing to engage with the market. We've now incorporated the proposed second solar farm in that scope and in the future potentially other generation sources. Proposals will come in this quarter ahead of the expiry of that contract so that we can lock onto a new arrangement in the new year.

So bringing all of that together in terms of Matt's unit costs, as we can see here, we're around 10% above our operating budget cost levels in the first quarter. As much as we guide for a full year number, individual quarters can range in our internal numbers between $1.50 and $2.00 each individual quarter. So at $2.20 this quarter, we're around 10% above what our internal numbers were telling us in terms of our projections. Obviously moves around with copper production, zinc production and grade, and also baseline costs and development impacts as well as those energy prices as Dave talked about. So Q1 headline $2.19, as we said, impacted certainly by power. Moving into the guidance numbers, as we know, as we've seen, we have, based on the mine schedule, increasing production of copper, and that will positively impact the headline C1, as well as our forward look in terms of energy prices. So we see for the full year gross C1 of around $3.20 per pound and net C1 after by-product credits around $1.78. 20,000 tonnes of zinc in the quarter. Midpoint of guidance for zinc is around 80. So at this stage, expect that by-product credit to be similar, as you can see, between Q1 and full-year guidance for 2023. Similar number in terms of by-product credit.

Thanks, Matt. The 100,000 metre underground drilling program ends in the quarter with a combination of info drilling, so trying to increase our confidence in the resource classifications and ultimately move those into the reserves. The exploration focused really on the down plunge and the extensions of known deposits. We've seen some great collaboration from the technical teams on site, so the exploration team working hand-in-hand with mine geology and all supported by the Perth technical team. This is a real fresh approach for the asset and has resulted in a a series of new ideas and new targets to be tested. I expect we'll be in a position to update the market later this year with the results from some of these programs. Moving on to regional exploration, we're pretty active. We've got four drill rigs working on exploration targets. We're focused on the northern portion of our tenement holding, and these are all within tracking distance of our central processing plant. Technically, in the last quarter, we've had a focus on analyzing historical geophysical data, both seismic and EM, We've been applying some new processing techniques to the seismic data, and we've been able to produce a much clearer and cleaner data set. And so this reprocessed 2D seismic data has already advanced our understanding of the structure, which is going to feed back into our targeting model. We've been working with the EM data, and we're applying our experience and technology that's been developed at DeGrusa over many years to the historical airborne and the ground EM data sets. So this is still a work in progress, but we're getting a much better handle on the quality of the data collection, the subsequent interpretations, and obviously the targets that fall out of this.

Moving now to De Grosser operations. And if we start by looking at the September quarter, against the backdrop of mining industry labor shortages in Western Australia and the rapidly approaching end of mine life, De Grosser operations continue to deliver safe and reliable production throughout the period. On the other hand, operating cost pressures related to goable inflation have continued to impact Degrossa C1 costs in the quarter. Mining at the Monty underground mine was completed on schedule in September and for the Degrossa underground mine, mining operations were completed earlier this month. As we have approached the end of mine life, Expense mining operating costs increased as capitalised development activity reduced in the last year of operations. And also, following the completion of a positive feasibility study that included a full-scale plant trial, SANFIRE will commence the DeGrasse Processing Extension Project, which is based on processing transitional ore stockpiles and low-grade mineralised waste stockpiles remaining on site at the end of the current operations. This process will utilise the existing degressive flotation plant with minimal circuit changes and adopting a simplistic approach to treat whole stockpiles with oxide-specific reagents. The processing plant is expected to continue operating now until January 2023, treating approximately 310,000 tonnes of ore at an average grade of around 1%. Due to the transitional mineralogy and grade of this ore, recovery is targeted to be around 70% for copper and 40% for gold. And this is expected to deliver approximately 2,000 tons of copper and 2,000 ounces of gold contained within around 10,000 tons of concentrate at an average grade of 22% copper and 5 grams per tonne. Plant scale trials on processing of additional oxide copper stockpiles have also commenced and are scheduled to be completed in October. The results of these trials may support further extension of processing at Degrasse beyond January 2023. Looking now at Degrasse production for the September quarter, as mentioned before, the site team has again delivered strong results in line with the mine plan and exceeding expectations. Copper production was above plan at 14,309 tonnes and gold production was 8,215 ounces for the period. Metal sales volumes were lower than production as a result of timing of shipments and this delivered an operations EBITDA of 47.3 million with a strong EBITDA margin of 50%. Now looking forward to the full year and as touched on previously, On the back of the processing extension project, we have increased production guidance at De Grasse to 19 to 21,000 tonnes of copper, 12 to 14,000 ounces of gold and approximately 100,000 ounces of silver.

So looking at De Grasse unit costs for the first quarter, $1.34, moving to an estimated $1.54 for the full year guidance in terms of running through to those January dates that Jason was talking about in terms of the extension of low-grade processing stockpiles. And our guidance in terms of OPEX guidance, both here and in Appendix 4, includes that processing extension.

Australia is certainly in a transition year from an exploration perspective. The Degrusa DEEP's program is almost complete. And while a number of targets returned indications of the right geological environment for the MS deposits, unfortunately, no significant mineralization has been identified. In light of this, we're slowly unwinding our large tenement position through a combination of withdrawal from JVs and divestment of 100% owned ground. Also during the quarter, we made the decision to exit our New South Wales tenure, as we consider it more prospective for gold than for copper, and the divestment process is currently underway. Finally, we have a new large exploration project under application in the Northern Territory. We consider this prospective for sediment-hosted copper, and we'll be applying the experience that we've generated out of the Kalahari Copper Belt to this exciting project.

We now move on to the development of the Mateo copper mine in Botswana. Firstly, as a quick update on the development of the 3.2 million tonne per annum project, construction continues to proceed on schedule with first production expected early in the June quarter of 2023. Construction activities are now well advanced with first ore mined from the T3 open pit to stockpiles and the sag mill and primary crusher installation is now in progress. In addition to this, Sandfire has now achieved another important milestone in the company's plan to establish a major new long-term copper mining hub in the Kalahari Copper Belt through the completion of the definitive feasibility study for the 5.2 million tonne per annum Mateo expansion project. This project includes the development of the A4 open pit mine and delivers outstanding project economics, including a pre-tax MPV of $548 million and an IRR of 29%. And finally, as mentioned earlier, Sanfire was also very pleased to announce during the quarter that the US $140 million Mateo project finance facility has been finalised and the funds required to take us through to the production are now fully secured. If we look in more detail at the 5.2 million tonne per annum DFS, Completion of this work has confirmed a very strong business case for the development of the A4 deposit as part of an expanded 5.2 million tonne per annum Mateo production hub. And this is underpinned by a combined ore reserve for both the A4 deposit and T3 deposits of 49.6 million tonnes at 1% copper and 14 grams per tonne silver for close to 500,000 tonnes of contained copper and over 21 million ounces of contained silver. As mentioned before, the project delivers very robust economics over a 10-year mine life, which is scheduled to produce a total of 440,000 tonnes of copper and 18.4 million ounces of silver, and an average all-in sustaining cost of US$1.79 per pound. The total development capital for the expansion project is estimated to be 397 million, and this includes development costs for the A4 mine infrastructure, and the 5.2 million tonne per annum plant expansion of US 47.9 million. And subject to the award, the contract award timing, site construction activities for the process plant expansion are scheduled to commence in the March quarter of this financial year with increased plant throughput at a 5.2 million tonne per annum rate expected to commence in the March quarter of financial year 2024. As part of the DFS, The life of mine plans for both the T3 open pit and the A4 open pit have been integrated and optimised for a combined ore production rate of 5.2 million tonnes per annum. This yields a peak annual copper production of approximately 55,000 tonnes and maintains around 50,000 tonnes per annum production rate over a six year period. Subject to the approval of the environmental and social impact assessment and granting of the mining license for A4 by the Botswana government, pre-strip mining at A4 is anticipated to commence by the March quarter of FY24. Looking now at the DFS key outcomes, as mentioned before, the project's economics are very robust and it withstood the significant increases currently seen in input pricing for mining costs, diesel supply, reagents, grinding media and labour. As some of these numbers have been covered before, I won't go through all of them, but I will touch on the estimated operating costs with C1 cash costs over the life of mine and on a payable basis is estimated to be US$1.47 per pound of copper and restating the estimated all-in sustaining cost of US$1.79 per pound over the life of mine. If we now look at the expanded mine layout, in completing the DFS, Samphire has been able to leverage off the work currently underway for the development and construction of the 3.2 million tonne per annum project, as well as the prior work completed on the 3.2 million tonne per annum feasibility study. Mine facilities for the expanded project include surface mining operations, infrastructure at the A4 deposit, expansion of the processing plant and supporting infrastructure. which we'll cover in a bit more detail in a moment. New infrastructure for A4 includes a light vehicle access road linking the open pit mine to the already constructed access road for Mateo, a dual lane heavy vehicle haul road to be constructed directly from A4 to the Mateo processing plant, workshops, fuel facilities, crib and office facilities, along with electrical and water supplies. If we now draw down on the processing plant, as you can see, the expansion to 5.2 million tonnes per annum will be a very simple process with the addition of a 4.5 megawatt ball mill being the only major piece of infrastructure required. The reason for this simplicity and overall efficiency is due to SAMPHIRE's discovery and drill out of the A4 deposit during the period when the Mateo definitive feasibility study was being completed. This allowed us to design the processing plant exactly for this outcome, which was to be readily scalable to 5.2 million tonnes per annum. Looking now at the Mateo development timeline, work throughout the September quarter has continued to proceed according to the project plan, with some of the key development areas including all of the structural concrete works and ROMPAD earthworks are now fully completed. The 132 kV transmission line is now effectively completed. Placement of the bulk mine waste for the tailing storage facility walls is now completed and the HDPE lining of the TSF Zone 1 is now progressing well. HV substation and switching stations are now almost complete with commissioning planning well advanced. And the primary crusher structure is well advanced and crusher install has commenced. And finally, the contract for concentrate transport logistics has also been awarded. You will note that we've included the timeline for the 5.2 million tonne per annum expansion project with work on approval of the environmental and social impact assessment progressing to the stage. where Botswana's Department of Environmental Affairs has recently approved the environmental scoping document and the terms of reference, now allowing the full ESIA to be submitted in the coming weeks. And finally, looking at construction and development capital, the total development capital for Mateo is now estimated at US$397.4 million, This includes $47.9 million for the future development costs for the A4 infrastructure and the 5.2 million tonne per annum plant expansion. And please note that the $71.9 million shown here includes $24 million of pre-approved capital. Life and mine capital is estimated to be US $499 million as at the 31st of July 2022. The company had invested a total of $185.4 million of the total $397.4 million of development capital. You will also note that FY23 Q1 expenditure is now shown lower than previous estimates. This is due to the timing of some non-critical infrastructure and earthworks which are forecast to be undertaken in Q2 and this will not have an impact on the overall project timeline.

This is a great result from our exploration program around the Mateo hub. Having exploration success within the site of the head frame is always very pleasing. So copper mineralization at the A1 prospect has been identified over 1.8 kilometers of strike. We're drilling on approximately 200 meter space lines. So we've got really good handle on geological continuity. We've completed 35 holes so far and have results for 25. So we still think there's some good news to come. The A1 prospect is open along strike to the northeast and up and down dip. So we believe there are a number of ways we can expand this mineralization. Geologically, the A1 prospect has a very similar setting to T3 and A4. We're seeing the whole suite of copper minerals, including boronite, chalcocite, and chalcopyrite, hosted within quartz carbonate veins, as well as copper sulfides along the bedding planes. If we step back a little bit and look at the larger picture, We think there's probably another 4Ks of the dome to explore, and we infer that has a very similar geological setting. So we're pretty excited about pushing that exploration program up to the northeast. So the next steps of the prospect will include stepping out along Strike and drill testing that structure, testing the deeper NPF contact. That was the original MOD resources target, and it's known to host large, lower-grade deposits. And then finally, we'll run the A1 prospect as we know it now through our gating process, which is a bunch of internal technical studies, really to determine the next steps and make sure that we can get maximum value from this.

Okay, thanks, Richard. Look, in closing, and with reference to the slide here, I'm not going to go through all of these points, but I would like to reinforce some of my points from the start, which is to remind everyone that On the back of the MATSA acquisition and the recent approval by the board for the development of Mateo to a 5.2 million tonne per annum capacity, Sandfire now has a firm production growth pathway over the next three years to over 110,000 tonnes of copper and 80,000 tonnes of zinc production per annum. And in my mind, Sandfire represents an excellent investment opportunity for all. Thanks. I'll throw that open for questions.

Thank you. If you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. If you'd like to cancel that request, please press star 2. If you're on a speakerphone, please pick up the handset to ask your question. Your first question comes from Matt Green from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead.

Hey all, thanks for taking my question. First one is on Matt, sir. You mentioned you're focusing on polymetallic over the next few quarters with copper coming in later in the year. This has changed a fair bit, and I guess we can see that with the quarterly profile you provided. I'm just keen to know what drove this decision.

Yeah, thanks, Matt. Look, from our point of view, one of the things that we do in terms of mine planning for all their mine designs and our schedule, we actually We do all of our work to optimize on value, which is a net smelter return basis. So that's a combined value of all of the elements there that we can sell to gain basically revenue from matzo production. So if you look at it at the moment, we continue to optimize those mine plans as we go through and react to not only doing that as well as trying to maximize or manage costs. And in doing so, we have resulted in, particularly in Magdalena, where we are pushing through in some of the more polymetallic stoves at the moment, which has meant that it has slightly deferred some of our more copper-dominant stoves, and that's shifted around some of our copper production within the year.

Okay. So this is more a case of focusing on the low-cost polymetallic just to keep the mill full. Are those copper stoves developed just in case of bringing it in later in the year, or are you behind schedule developments in the copper areas?

No, we're not behind in development on those areas. It really is just a point of optimising and reacting to conditions and also making sure that we're getting the best outcome for the company. And particularly if you look at it, when you compare our... production for Q1 on value, the value of the additional zinc production that we got actually more than offset what we had planned in terms of copper production for the quarter.

OK, that makes sense. And then just on the cost guidance at MATSA, if I look at your previous presentation versus the one today, back in the appendix, costs have changed both on an absolute and unit basis. I see you've changed your C1 metal price assumptions, but also mining processing has changed. So is this just driven by power? And I guess on a go-forward basis, should we now be expecting cost guidance to change with every quarter?

Yeah, Matt, we do run a quarterly, you know, re-forecasting, as Jason talked about, if mine schedules and things can change as well. We also look at the cost impact of those. So we are conscious of having a look at our full year guidance and just making sure that those Well, not only those actuals are reflected as we go through, but also what we consider in some of those underground cost areas and also our assumptions on things like power and, as you said, by-product pricing. So as a general rule, yes, if they move, we expect it to update them. If they're materially consistent with what we've had before, we'd probably leave them alone.

OK, and then last one on that. What's the split currently of your euro versus US dollar costs?

It is a tricky one to put together in terms of how we look at it. We look at, at this stage, about 70% Euro and about 30% US. Okay, thanks.

And look, just lastly, on Matteo, the CapEx spend profiles changed as you've highlighted the non-critical work there. Was this a decision largely just due to the timing around the project finance facility? Or are you seeing any other challenges there we should be aware of? And I guess we're now heading into a peak spend quarter. Are there any other areas you may look to defer?

Yeah, as Jason went through, they're not really deferrals in that sense. They're quarter on quarter, so they can literally be month on month and almost week on week, some of these timings. It was high if you look back into the fourth quarter. So in hindsight, some of it was probably a little bit forward of the first quarter of 2023 and came into the back end of last year. And a certain portion has also gone into, has been of those non-critical areas has gone into Q2 of the year. But we can categorically say not in reaction to anything in terms of financing or anything else, purely project schedule driven.

Okay, that's great. And sorry, look, I'm going to squeeze one more in. The corporate facilities, you said in the past that was a bullet, but you've only partially paid it down. What's changed there? And I guess when's that balance due?

Yes, we've paid down from 200 Aussie down to 50 Aussie on our corporate facility. Its current headline repayable date is 30 December 2022. That's great.

Thanks very much.

Okay. Thank you. Your next question comes from Rahul Anand from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.

Hi, Jason, Matt and team. Thanks for the opportunity. Look, I just wanted to carry on the balance sheet perhaps where Matt left. Can we get a revisit of the facilities that are available to you? Do they add up to that $220 million or is there any other potential financing that you can have? I mean, I'm just focused on sort of how commodity prices are currently. You're building a couple of projects and, you know, the cash draw is significant. What are the flexibility issues? do you have available to you in terms of protecting that balance sheet through this period?

Yeah, thanks, Raoul. Really, we're going through that balance sheet transition. So we're more concentrating mainly on, particularly around the MATSA and the corporate facility in terms of the scheduled repayments and deleveraging in that sense. As you also know, of course, we are leveraging in terms of Mateo effectively at the same time. So as we repay down existing operating assets or can facilities connected to those we're leveraging up on the new asset in terms of of botswana um in terms of botswana's strategy we're at 140 us now with society general and ned bank and we'll look at around something like a 40 to 60 million dollar facility into the back end of next year there's no material other facilities that we have in mind um and but that is sort of the next the next step for us um in terms of the mateo leveraging it would certainly be around mateo And that would, we would see, be around mid-calendar year of next year, particularly as that A4 expenditure starts to kick off and as we start to do pre-strip at A4 and those sorts of activities and early construction and planning while we're commissioning at the 3.2 million tonne rate.

Okay, so is there any other corporate facilities that you might have available to subsequently help in case of cash draw, perhaps?

We're concentrating on the facilities that we have against the existing assets and also our new construction at Mattaya.

Okay, perfect. All right, and coming back to perhaps Matt's costs very quickly, you provided a fair bit of detail in terms of changing the profiling, the polymetallic ore, et cetera. You're obviously running significantly higher than what your full year updated guidance is at this point in time. Is it purely production that's going to get you to within that range or are there other levers you're looking to pull over the next three quarters to sort of get you back and within that guidance range that you provided today?

So production will certainly have an impact. So in terms of headline C1, copper will have an impact, of course, as it rises. The zinc being high. Zinc production at the second half of the year will have a higher by-product credit. In terms of probably what we concentrate more on is the gross side of gross OPEX. And as Dave touched on that, that is largely driven and some of the reductions that is driven by our view on energy prices coming into the second half of next year. Having said that, we've also got TCRCs which expect to go up in terms of headline operating costs with zinc production going up. So that's a good story in terms of OPEX increases.

Okay, final one from me. Degrisa, you're doing some work, you know, looking into that oxide stockpiles there going into June 2023. I guess you provided when we're going to hear about it, but is there any sort of understanding you can provide in terms of the cost differentials between the sulfides and the oxides in terms of treatments and, you know, the challenges that might come through with that?

Well, look, from an operating point of view, the costs are largely the same. Obviously, we don't incur underground mining costs, and that's just replaced by simply just stockpile reclaim, which is very, very low cost. So the bulk of the costs are really in the processing plant, and overall, it's pretty much the same. Reagents are slightly up, but overall, I think it's not material.

Okay, so what are the critical items, I guess, that'll help you determine whether the oxides can be processed? I mean, what test work do you have left over? Any sort of colour you can provide on that?

Yeah, so there's a number of things. So we are testing the performance of an oxide reagent that's specifically for this style of mineralogy. We haven't used that before. We've done lab-scale trials and that showed success. We're also, given that there's a high amount of clays in this type of ore as well, just look at basically our materials handling around conveyors, crushers, right, the grinding circuit and particularly the concentrate filtration. And we're looking at proof of concept of that at a lab scale and then also just confirming those recoveries and then concentrate characteristics there as well. But From our point of view, we're well advanced on that and we're quite optimistic.

Perfect. That's all from me. Thank you very much.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Ben Lyons from Jarden. Please go ahead.

Good afternoon all. First question on the MATSA PPA, if I may please. Great detail in that slide in the deck. We're also aware that one of the other larger power consumers in the region has actually signed a reasonably attractive long-term PPA recently, well below spot prices and indeed well below, well less than half of those forward curve projections that you've put on that chart there. Just wondering if there's any further colour you can give in terms of any other large consumers in the region that are signing up these long-term PPAs, any indicative pricing around those agreements? Thanks.

Yeah, look, we're also staying pretty connected to what's happening in the region, so I think we're aware of the similar deals that you're talking of. Look, as you can see, some of the participants that are signing PPAs are getting reasonably attractive terms, at least in regards to what's happened in the last sort of 12 months to 18 months in prices. I guess we're keeping an eye on that plus what the historical trends have been and just trying to make sure we balance that out. Look, given where we're at with the proposals coming in from the various parties, we're probably too early to start giving concrete numbers as to where the prices will go, but hopefully We're certainly very optimistic and hopeful that we see a trend similar to what you've experienced with that other operator.

Okay. Thanks, Jason. And maybe just back to the bigger overall picture, the new slide in the deck with the three-year guidance showing the overall metal production increase I think is really helpful, really highlights the organic growth profile within the business. Just sort of stripping out a couple of those numbers, just looking at fiscal 24 and the copper production number there, and assuming that about 60,000 tonnes of that comes from MATSA, it really implies 40,000 tonnes coming out of bots. And going through the numbers, it looks like you're assuming a pretty rapid ramp up at that 3.2 million tonne processing rate. I'm aware that there's the tie-in of the 5.2 at some point during the fiscal year. but obviously you don't have access to the second ore body until later in the mine plan. So maybe you can just elaborate on the material movements ahead of the mill expansion, just to ensure that you've got greater comfort around that 40,000 tonnes issue of copper that should come out over fiscal 24. Thank you.

Yeah, Ben, look, you've picked it up quite well. If you look at it, We expect to be commissioning in the next quarter and in production certainly in Q4 this year. So we are forecasting almost going pretty much to full production rate at the 3.2 million tonne per annum capacity in the new financial year. If you look at it when we transition to the 5.2, we've almost designed this mine to make it as simple as possible to cut over to the 5.2 million tonne per annum rate. So We actually had these designs in play going back to, when was that? That was late 19, early 20, after the discovery of A4. So we actually incorporated all of this expansion designs in the initial feasibility study. So it's been well thought through and well executed. And we've actually upsized pretty much all the flotation circuit, con sheds. There's only minor additions there around filtration that needs to be done. So there really is minimal impact in terms of overall production rate when we do that cutover. If we look at the A4 pre-strip, and I kind of touched on it in there as well, the ESIA is critical path and approval of that, that is mainly to make sure that we are able to commence mine production as quickly as possible. Now in that as well, we've allowed ourselves a bit of extra time. So if you talk to the Botswana government, Once the ESIA final document has been submitted, their target timeline for approval is six weeks. Now, we're not counting on that. And if you look particularly at that timeline slide, we've got roughly about nine to 12 months before we need to start mining and the ability to do that. So we think we've given ourselves ample opportunity to get through that approval process, commence mining and get the pre-strip under control. And then the other controlling factor in there as well is if we look at the T3 mine plan over the next two to three years, we do build up lower grade stock levels quite quickly. And we have the capacity to actually bring that in during that period straight after the 5.2 million tonne per annum upgrade. And in fact, that integrated schedule actually does already draw down some of those stockpiles until we can get into continuous ore feed. out of A4, which is more or so around FY25.

Okay, great. That's very reassuring. Thanks very much, Jason.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Khan Pekka of the Royal Bank of Canada. Please go ahead.

Hi, Jason, Matt and team. Two questions for me, if that's okay. Just on the Deagressa closure costs of $70 million, Can you please provide timing given the planned processing of stockpiles? Also, it's quite a large amount. Maybe, I mean, previously you talked about it including working cap tax and a few other costs in there. Maybe if you could give a breakdown of that and if there's any contingencies incorporated in this. Thanks. Let's circle back with the second question.

Yeah, sure. Thanks, Colin. So in terms of DeGrasse, it's a... relatively spread out process and certainly more spread even now with the processing extension. We have already commenced during September and October and even possibly some of it back into August in terms of some of those closure payments in terms of staffing levels as you'd expect. We've also got, as you've noted, we have our tax payments about 30 million US coming up over the next couple of months. The working capital unwind of DeGrasse, as I said, is slowed somewhat by the processing extension and also assisted by the additional 2,000 tonnes of copper, 2,000 ounces of gold into that guidance. So it's really a process that sort of, if you start in August and in January, February, there's a significant portion of that across September, October and into November that we've already started in terms of the quarter we just reported. and having a few more of those payments come out during certainly October this month and then also into next month as well.

Just on that, how much of the $70 million has already been spent? In that waterfall chart, does that get allocated to the operating cash flow?

Yeah, it is in operating cash flow, correct. So it does all sort of net out at the back end of the grass. The grass is a tricky one to follow in terms of operating cash flow at the back end of the operation because it does get the the delay in terms of credit to clear out. So we're about 20, 25 million into our closure obligation.

Thank you, very helpful. And then the second question is on MATSA. Mining production guidance is maintained at 4.7 for the year. I think 4.5 was the run rate this quarter. Magdalena throughput appears to be soft. I mean, the confidence around this being resolved and sort of increasing mine production quarter and quarter and where would it come from?

Yeah, you're absolutely right. So if you look at it, one of our key constraints, particularly at Magdalena, is basically the line that carries paste underground. So it is constrained for us at the moment. That's designed at the moment that it'll do a maximum capacity around about that 2 to 2.2 million tonnes per annum rate. And as you can imagine, that line is not 100% utilized. So what we need to do is lift that instantaneous capacity up to above our target run rate. We have capital built into the plan for that and that work is underway at the moment and that will backstop the second half of the year as well. The other thing that we're doing at the moment, as you can understand with mining operations, typically you have a number of stoping areas in play or available for mining. And what we are doing at the moment is just increased our development rates into this budget that will give us more options around stoping at Magdalena in particular to make sure that we've got better opportunity to maintain production rates. So short answer, we've got some shorter term things that we need to manage, but the outlook is that we're very confident we'll get up to that 4.7 rate.

Just to add, there's also some room built in there in terms of guidance is based on processing at 4.6.

So that would sort of suggest an exit run rate for the year of about 5 million tonnes? Is that fair?

Not quite that high, no. I wouldn't go that high. Overall, like Matt said, we're at 4.6 at this stage. We are working towards and we're... We are actively working to make sure that we get the 4.7 total for the year, but we've got a bit more work to do, particularly at not just Magdalena, but some potential benefits there at Saltiel and also Aguas Tanitas.

Cool. Thank you, Aaron, very much. I appreciate it.

Thank you. Once again, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Your next question comes from Lyndon Fagan of JP Morgan. Please go ahead.

Thanks guys. I'm wondering if you can talk to zinc recoveries just appear to be coming in a bit lower than what was originally guided to?

Yeah, thanks, Lyndon. Dave Wilson here. Yes, we have seen the first quarter that zinc recovery is down a little. We're working through with the site team on exactly that. As you could imagine, particularly in the polymetallic ore where the zinc comes from, the ratio of zinc to copper and other metals can have an impact on the overall performance. So we're seeing that improve so far at the start of this quarter, which is encouraging. And we're also doing a program with some, you know, really going back to basics and understanding the full potential of recovery upside across MATSA as well. So we think that over time that will deliver. It's certainly something that we've also keeping a close eye on and making sure that we understand how to get that back to where it needs to be.

And have you got a range for us to sort of think about using over the next few years?

In terms of improvement or...

Just what we should be putting in our models?

Yeah look I think it's what we've got in guidance is our number at the moment and we're continuing to look at if we can improve that and if we can we'll adjust our guidance accordingly.

Sorry what was the number in guidance if I missed that?

523 guidance is 75% coverage.

Okay thanks for that. And I guess I just wanted to revisit the balance sheet. So I'm wondering if you can talk to where you, you know, some really detailed guidance, which is appreciated in the PAC. Assuming everything played out, where would you expect net debt to peak out at for Sandfire? And I suppose the follow-on is, can you please remind us of any covenants that sit around those facilities?

Yeah, thanks, Lyndon. We don't really look at it in terms of net debt timing. What makes it tricky is, of course, is we're deleveraging and repaying debt quite aggressively at MATSA, as you know, taking the corporate facility down while drawing the Mateo facility up and then also looking at the timing of an additional working capital slash A4 facility in terms of Mateo. So a net debt in terms of peak and at a point in time is quite tricky during this 12 months, as you'd understand, I'm sure. having those different facilities moving around. Our financing structure is project debt-related, so they're ring-fenced projects, largely Mateo is the new one, and also at MATSA. They have standard cash flow tests, backward-looking, forward-looking project life-type tests, as you'd expect.

And are any of those in the public domain or are they unavailable in terms of what those tests are?

They're traditional projects, cash flow, as I say, quarterly backward-looking, rolling backward-looking and forward-looking project ratios, DSCR, LLCR. So they're sort of standard project finance-related covenants, but no, they're not particularly in a public sense, no.

Okay. Thanks a lot, guys.

Thank you. Your next question comes from Peter O'Connor from Shore and Partners. Please go ahead.

Chase, just back on Degrussa. Small question, but what's the prize? Is it delaying rehab? Is it getting cash for the rehab? 2,000 tonnes, why? Or is there something bigger out there that you're maintaining optionality for?

No, look, it is about cash. It generates cash, and particularly some of the work we're doing on some of the high-grade oxide stockpiles that we haven't built in yet, that's definitely about cash. Now, there is a benefit that it does defer care and maintenance costs, but that is truly secondary.

Okay, and second question to maybe chase yourself on that, just power costs in Spain, and just more a bit of a 101 question. So I just got off a call with another company which has got an asset in Spain. and asking the same sort of questions about energy costs going forward. And the forward curve they talked about was very similar to the one you've got in your pack. But they indicated the level of gas price, which is obviously fairly instantaneous on a daily basis, and that's come down to a level of about €30 per megawatt. And I'm just wondering, the correlation between gas price into Spain and electricity price, because the numbers I've heard on the two different calls I've had are very different.

Yeah, thanks, Peter. Look, I'm not 100% sure of the other data you're looking at, clearly. The numbers we've put in our pack are from the market operator, the OMI group, and then from our incumbent supplier, their estimate of what the gas cap compensation charge is to all users on top of that for that period. To be honest, to answer your question, I probably need to understand a bit closer what the other data is you're looking at.

Let me put to you that the last two quarters, the price of gas into Spain has been pretty much the same as the Spanish daily power price you've got on your chart. Yet the spot price today for gas is about €30. And I'm just wondering, does the Spanish daily power price come down to meet that? Does it take days? Does it take weeks? Does it take months? Does it take quarters? Or is... What leads, what lags, and how close is that correlation between gas and electricity? When are you going to get the benefit of a much lower gas price? How quickly?

Yeah, look, we understand it moves quite quickly. Obviously, we're looking here at numbers. Our actuals are backward-looking numbers. We are seeing that, particularly those high spikes in August. We're certainly not seeing that at the moment. We are seeing the current spot has reduced probably below what those forward curve numbers are right now. So, yes, we think it's fairly quick.

So those forward curve data points, when did you run that? Is that a week ago?

About a week ago.

It precipitously formed last week. So if you updated it overnight, we should expect a fairly sharp decline in power prices?

Yeah. It depends a bit on what the forecast is for that gas compensation charge, which is less transparent than the forward curve that you can get online. That's the way the mechanism works is that the Spanish government are capping gas prices, but then they're charging consumers a fee to help fund that program. So that's been probably since the gas cap program. came into place in April, May of this year, it has worked as expected, but probably the bit that's been not quite as expected is they originally forecast a gas cap price of somewhere between €50 and €70, and that's probably hit peaks of €150 and trending closer to €100. So that's probably been where the difference is, I'm guessing.

So we should expect you to get lower energy costs this quarter, but it may not be quite as low as the current gas price is suggesting?

Yeah, that's right. It'll depend on that compensation charge. OK, thanks.

Thank you. As there are no further questions at this time, I'll now like to hand the conference back over to Mr. Jason Grace, Acting CEO, for any closing remarks.

All right. Look, thank you to everyone on the call today. It's been very good. And certainly from a Sandfire point of view, as I touched on before, we're very much looking to the future and looking towards certainly a great three years ahead where we do transition and become a much larger company. metal producer during that time.

Thanks again That does conclude our conference for today. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect