5/18/2021

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Welcome and thank you for joining our interim results presentation. I'm joined today by Oliver Tant, our Chief Financial Officer, and Peter Derman, our Investor Relations Director. Lucas Paravicini, our incoming Chief Financial Officer, is also with us. Lucas joined Imperial and the Board on the 1st of May. He will be formally appointed CFO tomorrow and will work with Oliver to ensure a smooth and orderly handover. Before getting into the results, let me hand over to Lukas for a few brief words.

speaker
Lucas Paravicini
Incoming Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Stefan, and good morning, everyone. I'm delighted to be able to join the team this morning and to have this opportunity to introduce myself. Perhaps a little bit of my background. I've spent 20 years in the consumer goods industry, working in a range of senior finance and operational roles in large international companies. I was at Nestle for 22 years and worked across a range of parts of the business in Switzerland and in several Latin American markets. I also spent six years at Fonterra, the world's largest dairy cooperative, and responsible for some well-known leading dairy brands, joining first as a CFO and then becoming chief operating officer of its global consumer and food service business. So I bring a blend of strong financial experience and commercial expertise, and have specific experience of driving significant change programs, including implementing global shared services in large international organizations, all of which should be relevant for Imperium. I'm really pleased to be joining the company at such a great time as we begin to implement the new strategy and drive the changes necessary to strengthen performance and to deliver sustainable shareholder value. I'm eager to get to grips with the business and to a time where we can meet in person. I'm looking forward to establishing a transparent engagement with all investors. Thank you. I'll now hand back to Stefan.

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Lukas. Today, I will start by providing some performance highlights, and then Oliver will take you through the financial results in more detail. I will then give you more colour on how we're implementing the new strategy and some of the operational actions to strengthen performance. I will conclude with our outlook and priorities for 2021 and will look forward to taking your questions after that. I'm pleased with the progress we've made on implementing the new strategy we announced in January. The one thing I'm most encouraged by In these results, it's the progress we've made on stabilizing the aggregate market share performance in our top five priority markets, following several years of consecutive decline. It reflects an improving momentum from an increased focus on collaboration and performance management with these markets, which are all part of the important changes we've made over the past year. In NGP, The actions we have taken over the past year to focus our investments and improve returns have delivered a further reduction in losses. This is about resetting the business and creating a sound foundation so we can make a meaningful contribution to harm reduction over time. It has been a good start to the year as we start to build momentum with growth in net revenue, operating profit and strong cash flow. And I would like to thank all of our people for their great work in ensuring the business continues to move forward in a COVID-19 environment. So I'm pleased with the start of the year and will remain on track to deliver our full year results in line with guidance. As I touched on earlier, our market share in the five priority markets increased modestly by six basis points compared to a 37 basis points decline last in the same period last year. Share gains in the US, UK and Spain were partially offset by share declines in Germany and Australia, which will take time to turn around. We grew net revenue by 3.5% driven by strong pricing in tobacco and better NGP sales against a relatively weak comparator period. The business has performed well in spite of the coronavirus continuing to influence consumer and customer buying patterns. The lack of international travel has impacted our duty-free sales and also affected demand across markets. Oliver will provide more details later. Our gross and operating profit of 8.1% was driven by a better performance in NGP against the period affected by write-downs, and a sharper focus on investment, prioritizing the markets with the best prospects for growth. A stronger performance at Logista also contributed to profit growth. Also, tobacco revenue grew, tobacco profitability was affected by some temporary factors that Oliver will take you through in a moment. The good news is underlying tobacco profitability, excluding these factors, grew almost 5%, reflecting our strategic focus on driving performance from our five most important and most profitable markets. We also delivered another strong cash performance on a 12-month basis with net cash flow of £2.5 billion, supporting our debt reduction priorities. Since unveiling the new strategy in January, I've been focused on implementation and taking actions to improve performance. It will take time to get to where we need to be as a business, but I believe we are making the right choices to create value for our shareholders. A key element of the right choices is the clear market prioritization we've now put in place, and we're beginning to realign investments to support the strategic initiatives in our five priority markets. In NGP, we've taken steps to reset our approach and we're managing operations in a much more measured and disciplined manner. I want to see this part of Imperial flourish to enable us to make a meaningful contribution to harm reduction. Our plans for market trials in heated tobacco and vapour are on track. This means Investing in markets where we believe we can succeed and withdrawing from markets where we don't think we can create shareholder value with our NGP portfolio. Another key priority that has been to assemble the right leadership team with the necessary leadership qualities to deliver the new strategy. The team brings together new capabilities, skills and expertise from outside the industry. and blends them with the existing valuable experience we have in tobacco at the senior executive level, as well as more widely in the business. I'm pleased that alongside our new strategy, we have been able to attract some very high-caliber individuals with blue-chip FMCG experiences like Nestle, Unilever or PepsiCo to the tobacco industry. Beyond this, We're also beginning to implement the organizational changes and adopt the new ways of working we highlighted in the strategy update. I will outline later the changes we're already making to our sales and marketing organization to streamline and simplify our operations. Before I hand over to Oliver for his financial review, this is Oliver's last results presentation from payroll. and I would like to take this opportunity to thank Oliver for his seven and a half years of service to Imperial. On a personal note, I also want to thank him for the very warm welcome he extended to me when I joined the group, and for the help and support he gave me with my induction. I wish you all the best for your retirement. Oliver, over to you.

speaker
Oliver Tant
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks Stefan and good morning everyone. First let me say I'm pleased to be able to report a stronger set of numbers for my last set of financial results. I'd also like to take the opportunity to thank all of you for the interactions we have had during my tenure. And also to say how very much I have enjoyed working with Stefan and the refreshed executive team over the past year. And I wish them and Imperial every success for the future. As Stefan has outlined earlier, Our business is performing well, with growth in revenue and profit, albeit against a weaker comparator period, and with strong continued cash delivery. Total tobacco volumes declined by 3.3%, including a 1.3% reduction from our global duty-free business, as restrictions have continued to affect travel. An inventory reduction in the US contributed a 0.8% decline, following strong wholesaler purchases in March last year. Excluding these impacts, underlying volumes declined by 1.2%, better than the level we've been used to over recent years. Our volume performance benefited from a 30 basis point share gain across our footprint, as well as better market size performances, particularly in Northern Europe. Let's take a closer look at how COVID has continued to influence market size. For example, in Spain, the Canaries and in the duty-free channel, we have continued to suffer from the impact of border closures and reduced travel. In contrast, northern European markets have benefited from higher domestic sales and lower levels of illicit trade. The rate of U.S. market size decline has also slowed from its recent historic trend, where consumer spending has been boosted by stimulus payments. The COVID impact on market size is likely to be less pronounced in the second half as we cycle against comparator already affected by the pandemic. Overall net revenue grew by 3.5% at constant currency. Despite the US wholesaler inventory movements and reduction in duty-free sales, we grew tobacco net revenue by 3.2%. Tobacco price mix of 6.5% benefited from strong pricing, and a return to growth in our US mass market cigar business, which benefited product mix. Geography mix was neutral. Our NGP revenues were up 16% against a weak comparator, which was impacted by destocking of the supply chain. Looking at tobacco price mix in more detail, we have seen continued strong pricing in both Europe and the US. In Europe, positive market mix from sales growth in the higher margin European markets of the UK, Germany, and the Nordics benefited tobacco price mix. Our total net revenue performance, however, was held back by the volume reductions in southern European markets and lower duty free channel sales, which are reported within Europe. U.S. price mix was up by 12.7 percent, driven by two cigarette price increases in the first half, as well as the carryover from last year's pricing. price mix further benefited from an exceptionally strong performance from our mass market cigar business. Revenue performance in AAA benefited from improved pricing in Russia and Saudi. However, it was negatively impacted by adverse market mix as volume declined in the high-margin Australian market, as well as the prior year stock profit of around $40 million, which benefited revenue and profit in that year. The Australian government has announced there will be no 12.5% duty accelerator this year, and thereby limiting the industry's ability to make stock profit this year. This will create a further 50 million headwind to revenue and profit in the second half. We also expect further market size and share declines, which will impact on profitability, although we can absorb these factors within our existing guidance. Adjusted operating profit was up 8.1%. There are three factors in the first half of last year that have affected our operating profit performance. These are the U.S. wholesaler inventory pull of 49 million, the timing of Australia's stock profit, and the NGP write-downs of 95 million. These net out to a 5 million upside. In this half year, we've made progress in reducing our contingent liability as we reached a settlement for U.S. state litigation in Minnesota. This is a good result. Resolving this issue reduces Imperial's overall risk and the slightly higher ongoing costs are manageable. We expect to do the same shortly in Texas and we've made a 42 million per charge for the settlement and we retain our guidance for the full year nonetheless. Outside of these items, our underlying tobacco performance was up 76 million or 4.8%. Underlying NGP operating income improved by 46 million, driven by our more targeted investment approach and cost-cutting. The other key driver of our year-on-year profit performance was distribution, which was supported by better first-half trading, particularly in the pharma category, as well as recognising the reduction in inventory levels held by Lehista. This follows stock increases last year to reinforce supply contingencies because of COVID-19. The premium cigar divestment was a 3% dilution to EPS. Organic EPS performance is up 6.9% at constant currency, benefiting from the higher adjusted operating profit, which was partly offset by increased tax rate as previously guided. We expect the full year adjusted tax rate also to be around 23%. Net cash flow generation remains strong and in line with expectations. However, net cash flow in the first half was impacted by adverse working capital from the unwind of the temporary excise benefit at the end of last year, largely due to La Hista. Our 12-month rolling net cash flow increased by 2.4 billion to 2.5 billion. This reflects working capital improvements driven by excise and VAT timings in La Hista and the U.K., the rebase dividend and the premium cigar divestment proceeds. This net cash flow has been used to accelerate deleverage, supporting progress to the lower end of our target gearing range. As a reminder, we continue to operate a centralised cash pooling arrangement with our entities, including Lehista. Whilst the daily cash balance will fluctuate, over the last 12 months the average Lehista benefit was £2.1 billion. Our 12-month rolling cash conversion of 122% remains high. However, as previously guided, we expect full-year cash conversion to be around 80%. This reflects the unwind of LAHISTA excise and duty deferment benefits bestowed by governments in the second half of last year. As highlighted, net cash flow of 2.5 billion has been used to support a reduction in our adjusted net debt, which at the half year was 10.3 billion. Adjusted net debt to EBITDA was 2.6 times, down from 2.7 times at the end of September, and from 3.5 times at the end of March last year. We remain focused on reducing leverage towards the lower end of our 2 to 2.5 times target range. These are a solid set of results, and the business continues to perform well despite some short-term COVID-related changes to buying patterns. The business benefits from high margins and a strong track record in managing cost inflation, further supported by its ability to take pricing. We are well placed to fund investment in the new strategy, whilst also strengthening the balance sheet and reducing leverage, which will underpin our investment grade rating. The cash fundamentals of the business remain strong, supporting the delivery of attractive and reliable future cash returns. I will now hand you back to Stefan.

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Oliver. It is less than four months since we set out our new strategy. And while it is still early days, we've made some good initial progress on implementation and I'm pleased with the way employees are embracing change. I will cover our progress here and touch on our operational performance before summarizing priorities for the second half and the outlook. As a reminder, our strategy is built around three strategic pillars and three critical enablers. Today, I will give an update on some of the key actions we're taking to deliver the strategy. I will start by outlining our focus and initial progress on the operational levers in tobacco. The tobacco business has the potential to deliver a strong performance and my view of the value creation opportunities in tobacco remain clear. We've also continued to take important steps to reset our NGP investment by focusing on our existing market strongholds and preparing for the market trials later this year. This is about building a successful NGP business supporting our commitment to harm reduction. To support delivery of the new strategy, we also need to make some changes to the way we operate, improve our culture and strengthen our capabilities. And we've made some important early progress in these areas too. So let me start with our combustible tobacco business, where greater focus and better execution creates the greatest opportunity for value creation over the next five years. From a tobacco market perspective, at our Capital Markets Day event in January, we outlined our detailed plans with clear operational levers for each of our five priority markets, the USA, Germany, UK, Australia and Spain. These markets deliver most of our profit and will therefore receive the highest level of focus and support. Or so it is early days, I am encouraged we've begun to stabilize the aggregated market share performance in these markets, with six basis points of share growth driven by three of the five markets. This follows several years of serial decline and a 37 basis point for last year. I should stress this has been driven only to a limited extent by investments in the strategies as this is only just getting underway. It is primarily a reflection of the increased focus combined with changes we've made to our performance management approach, especially targeted towards these five markets. We're now dedicating a greater focus from the executive team through detailed performance reviews meetings with the five management teams, informed by data and consumer insight. This is creating a faster, more agile business, better able to meet changing consumer needs and market dynamics over time. Of course, market share is only one measure of progress, and we're not necessarily expecting to achieve growth in all five markets each year. Initially, our focus is on arresting the declines, particularly in markets like Germany, as well as achieving a more consistent long-term performance. In the USA, we've continued to build on our recent share growth in cigarettes. This has been achieved by maintaining our share in the premium value segment with Winston & Co., while continuing to grow our share of the deep discounts through Sonoma and Montclair. This reflects the momentum The team have established over the past year and we're looking to build on this with additional investment aligned with the new strategy. Our recruitment of additional salespeople is underway and we've undertaken a detailed assessment of our Salesforce coverage by geography and by store, which is informing how our salespeople will be deployed. We've also started designing the new technology and sales tools required to improve the effectiveness of our field force and have begun to work on longer-term brand equity initiatives to revitalize the performance of our focus US brands. I look forward to sharing details on this in the future. We have a great portfolio of mass market cigars and we've achieved an excellent set of results with volumes up around 60% against a relatively weak prior year period affected by supply shortages. Growth has been driven primarily by the fast-growing natural leaf segment. We have invested to improve the sustainability of leaf supply and to improve quality, particularly in the natural leaf wrappers. Backwood is a good example of what can be achieved through great execution and a tried and tested engagement program, which has enhanced equity and awareness with the target consumer. It shows what can be possible in this industry. We also identified a gap in the natural leaf segment and launched Dutch Leaf in the period to extend our presence across the price ladder. These initiatives have delivered strong share gains in backward and Dutch, helping us become the number two in mass market cigars compared with being number four a year ago. With further opportunities for growth as we extend the geographic reach and engage with consumers once life events become more commonplace. Overall, a very encouraging performance and I believe we are well placed for further growth in the mass market cigar segment. The recent proposals to ban menthol cigarettes and flavoured cigars are likely to take several years to implement. We do not believe the science or evidence supports a ban, but we will engage with the FDA in what we expect to be a lengthy, multi-stage process. While the German and Australian market remains highly profitable for us, we have lost market share in both over the period. In Germany, we've lost share for the last 10 years, and it will take time for our initiatives to take effect. Also, encouragingly, the rate of decline reduced in the last six months. Our focus is implementing our market strategy, and we've begun by recruiting additional salespeople as our fields force is under-indexed versus peers. This is part of a broader initiative optimize our Salesforce coverage to ensure we have the right representation across sales channels and geographies while strengthening our key account management capabilities. Working on the brand equities initiatives has started and we look forward to updating you on progress in due course. In the meantime, we've launched a new Duo Pack for John Player Special to meet consumer demand for different formats. and we've raised awareness through a campaign to celebrate the 50th anniversary of JPS. We're confident that as we invest behind the operational levers, our share performance will improve over time. Also, I'm expecting German share will still record a decline at the full year. In Australia, we deliberately prioritise financial delivery. and put through price increases early in the year, also this impacted on-air market share. It is a market affected by downtraining, with strong growth in the fifth price tier at the bottom of the market. Parker & Simpson has grown well in this price segment, but has been more than offset by share declines with JPS. With launch crash-ball formats to meet consumer demand shifts, and our Riverstone brand, has grown share in the fine-cut segment. Work is underway on our operational levers, but, like Germany, it will take time for these to take effect. We achieved better share performance in the UK and Spain, which have both been supported by a focus on local jewel brands. This is an important change in strategy, where we are now focusing on these local brands which have been neglected in recent years in favour of the international counterparts, contributing to our share losses. In the UK, we're focused on embassy with the launch of embassy signature, coupled with an approach to fill regional gaps in brand presence. This has been supported by leveraging our existing trade incentive programmes, which have been independently recognised as best in class. In Spain, Our shares have been supported by gains with several brands from across the portfolio, including Noble and Fortuna, where we are beginning to leverage their potential. Noble has strong equity in Spain with national coverage, and we've built on this through a successful programme of limited edition packs over the past year, with artwork commissioned from a well-known local artist. We've also invested in new pack formats with Fortuna, which have performed well. On the new strategy, we will increasingly raise our investments in these operational levers to strengthen our tobacco performance and build on this initial good progress. Turning now to NGP, I believe we have an important opportunity to build a successful NGP business over time, one that plays to our strengths and is centred on meeting consumer needs. Our approach will be more measured and disciplined, or so as it should not be interpreted as a lack of conviction in NGP. Quite the reverse. I want to build a business that is better at attracting adult smokers and is therefore successful, enabling Imperial to make a meaningful contribution to harm reduction. We've carefully assessed our market positions the category opportunities, and the effectiveness of our investment, resulting in a better targeting of our investments behind our strongholds in the US and Europe. At our strategy update in January, we set out how we would prioritize investments in certain category market combinations. In VAPOR, we focused investments even more tightly on in line with our strategy on the US and key European markets, where we have already established a strong market position by leveraging our route to market. Our investment has been more targeted in marketing and point of sales activities with a proven track record, enabling us to retain our strong positions in markets such as Germany and Spain. However, in markets like the US, We've also chosen not to participate in some of the more caressive discounting that is common in the sector, causing some share pressure. One of the other notable changes in our approach is our increased focus on performance management and collaboration to drive improved results. This disciplined approach, as well as our negotiations for better trade terms of retailers, have significantly reduced losses, even leading to to some markets becoming profitable on a local basis. However, there are some markets where the business case is hard to justify, and so we have chosen to withdraw from several markets such as Japan and Russia, but we lacked the route-to-market scale to make it work. This is about resetting to create a solid foundation to rebuild a better business. As part of this, we're working on a revised consumer proposition for Blue. We've often focused too much on the product and its features, and we can do better with the brand building and the way we connect with our target consumers. This is a top priority for Andy Dasgupta, who joined us recently in the newly created Chief Consumer Officer position. Our plans are on track today. to test these new propositions with consumers in a targeted geographic area in the US later this year or within the US PMTA rules. In heated tobacco, we have a clear plan to offer consumers greater choice in selected European markets where the category is well established and where we can leverage our existing route to market and local insight. As a result, we've decided to exit from Japan, where we lacked the scale to make a success with POTS. However, we have gained some useful insights from this extended trial. I'm pleased with the progress we're making towards launching the pilot trials of a revised consumer proposition in two European markets later this year. This work is already benefiting from the insight and involvement of Andi, who started getting engaged in this work over the last couple of months, even ahead of joining us. We've chosen markets where there is already good penetration and understanding of the heated category among adult smokers. I look forward to providing more details once the trials are underway. In modern oral, our efforts are focused on Scandinavia and certain markets in Europe, where there's a history of oral nicotine products. Demand for modern oral is increasing rapidly, particularly in Scandinavia. Our overall volumes are up 50% against last year, driven by strong growth in Norway and Austria. To meet growing consumer demand in that category, we have new product launches planned for the second half. In summary, It is still early days on our new MGP's journey. We've made good progress in resetting our investment, and I look forward to updating you as we move forward with the trials later this year. Our new strategy is underpinned by three critical enablers. Putting the consumer at the center of the business, embedding performance-based culture and capabilities, and ensuring our operations are simplified, Having spent time working with our people and observing past behaviours and processes, I'm more convinced than ever that driving change in this area is really critical to the successful execution of our five-year plan. One of the key changes is to place the consumer at the centre of the business and ensure all our key decisions are grounded in consumer insights and data. The voice of the consumer has not been present at the executive level for the last four years. As I mentioned, I'm delighted Andy Descupta has joined us as Chief Consumer Officer at the beginning of May. Andy will lead our focus on consumer by ensuring that we have the right marketing, brand and portfolio management capabilities to support both our tobacco and NGP businesses. He will also oversee the company's strife to bring a far more coordinated approach to how we collect and use consumer insights and data. Andy brings extensive experience in these areas, having held senior roles in significant international consumer goods companies such as Pepsi, Fonterra and GSK. Andy will be accountable for a newly defined innovation programme, making sure we have a pipeline of both combustible and NGP products. The consumer will dictate everything and will be central to our culture. And culture is critical to how we operate and how we will deliver our strategy. We want to create a performance-based culture centered around teamwork, collaboration, and accountabilities. We've already made two important changes to the incentives framework to reinforce these behaviors. First is to create a greater alignment to group objectives. So 80% of the annual bonus is now dependent on group metrics. This is important to create integration and breakdown silos. Second is to change the market share metrics for the bonus to a weighted average, the five priority markets. This will ensure we are growing share in the markets that drive profit and value. We're also changing our L2 matrix to reinforce the delivery of sustainable earnings growth, a strong balance sheet, improving returns on capital, and total shareholder return. I continue to encourage open employee feedback. This year, we've embraced technology and continued to hold town halls and attend manufacturing sites, albeit virtually. We'll be building on these over the next few months with an employee engagement roadshow to work with our people on our new purpose, vision and values. We're simplifying our ways of working and our initial focus has been on the customer and consumer facing areas. We recently announced plans to simplify our sales and marketing organization by reducing the number of market clusters from 13 to 10. Each of our markets will have an organization structure tailored to its strategic role that allocates the resources in line with our market prioritization. This will ensure each market has the right consumer insight and capabilities to deliver on its plan. We've also strengthened the cluster leadership through several key appointments. In NGP, we've unified our operations under the leadership of our new chief consumer officer with a clear category-led structure aligned to the new strategy with new heads for each of the category areas, vapor, heated, and modern oral. Elsewhere, we're progressing design work on the enabling functions to ensure the efficient allocation of resource and service. These are the first steps towards transforming the business and unlocking value for our stakeholders. So to conclude, I believe we've made a good start to the year. The tighter focus on performance management in our priority markets is supporting a stronger operational and financial performance. will begin to step up investments behind the strategy in the second half in line with our plans. Even so, our full-year guidance remains unchanged with low to middle single-digit adjusted operating profit growth at constant currency, excluding the impact of the premium cigar sale. Let me give you some details on the moving parts. It is clear that that COVID continues to impose restrictions across our markets, affecting travel and consumer buying patterns. We expect these restrictions to ease, but the duty-free channel is likely to remain significantly depressed for the rest of the year. Similarly, we've benefited from better volumes in certain markets due to Borger closures. We anticipate a return to more normal decline rates gradually over time. Tobacco revenue in the second half is expected to be affected by mixed headwinds as some of last year's COVID-related benefits unwind in the second half. For example, the UK stock profit and the German VAT benefit. And as Oliver mentioned, there will also be a headwind of around £50 million from lower stock profit in Australia. Despite these headwinds, and increased investments behind our strategy, second half tobacco profitability is anticipated to grow modestly against the same period last year. Our disciplined approach to MGP will support investments behind the new market trials in heated tobacco and vapour, while maintaining investment levels and therefore losses at a similar level to the first half. As previously guided, a higher tax rate will have a circa 2% impact on earnings, with organic adjusted earnings per share expected to be slightly ahead of the prior year at constant currency. Adverse foreign exchange translation is expected to be a headwind of almost 3% on full-year earnings. As you can imagine, we have a full agenda when we're continuing our relentless focus on embedding our new strategy that we started in the first half of the year. In our priority tobacco markets, we're maintaining our rigorous performance management and will implement investment in our key operational levers. In NGP, we plan to begin the trial market launches of our new customer propositions in both vapour and heated tobacco. We will be rolling out the new organisational assignment for sales and marketing and continue to adopt new working practices. our focus on strong cash flow will remain a key priority. From a capital allocation perspective, we're clearly set on the path to do leverage and to strengthen the balance sheet. This will also enable us to deliver the enhanced cash returns to shareholders, which we fully recognise as an important part of the investment proposition. We've made a good start and I'm excited about the future. and truly believe that over time we will deliver a stronger and more consistent performance and unlock long-term value for shareholders. Thank you for joining us today and giving us the opportunity to take you through our results. We now would like to take your questions. I will hand back to the operator to start the Q&A session. Thank you for listening.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press the pound hash key. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Your first question today comes from the line of Gaurav Jain from Barclays. Please go ahead, your line is open.

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Gaurav Jain
Analyst, Barclays

Hi, good morning. Thank you, Stephan and Oliver. I have three questions. One is on the leverage. So clearly you have benefited in 1H because of foreign exchange of almost 700 million pounds, which is on slide 15. So leverage is coming in lower than what we thought. So how does that impact your view on when share repurchases could happen and how are rating agencies looking at your leverage right now?

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Gaurav, good morning. It's Stefan. Number one, we're pleased with the progress we're clearly making on deep leverage, but I'll give it over to Oliver to walk you through the details.

speaker
Oliver Tant
Chief Financial Officer

Yes, thank you, Gaurav. You're right to say, I mean, we're obviously very pleased with the deep leverage progress in the first half, but I think we shouldn't lose track of the fact that part of that's been a consequence of the benefit. what's happened from a currency perspective. So over 25% of the impact on our net debt balance of about $700 million has been because of the strengthening of sterling and the impact that's had in the context of the value of that debt. The underlying level, of course, has also benefited in terms of levels of cash generation from the proceeds that have come from the sale of our premium cigar business, which benefited the period as well. If we look at the underlying momentum, it's very much in line with the trajectory that we set and talked about at the Capital Markets Day earlier on this year. And I think as a group of analysts, one should sort of take comfort in the fact that we're delivering absolutely in line with that expectation. So our expectation around when we get to the position when we hit our target is consistent with where we were earlier on in the year.

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

And I think I would just emphasize that last point from all of us about what you should see now in this half year is the deleverage being delivered that we talked about at the capital market stake.

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Gaurav Jain
Analyst, Barclays

Sure. Thank you. My second question is on Pulse, you know, and the launch which is happening later this year. So now we are seeing some, you know, patent litigation between some of the companies and the sector around heat not burn technology and products. You know, how are you approaching this? those sort of issues and what if they happen? And how would you handle that when you launch Pulse?

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

I think one thing which is good, I mean, one thing which is important to know that our Pulse product in its basic form has been in the marketplace in Japan without any litigation challenges for an extended period of time. So I think... That gives us comfort that, to our best knowledge, our launch in Europe shouldn't be impacted by any litigation on this front.

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Gaurav Jain
Analyst, Barclays

Okay. And, you know, on heat, not burn. So, look, there are tax gaps between cigarettes and heat, not burn products currently everywhere in the world, including in Europe. And in a market like UK, which you are really not prioritizing for your heat, not burn launch, you know, one can argue that that tax difference actually negatively impacts your cigarette business. So do you think that tax gaps are too wide in certain markets and should close?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Sorry, Gaurav, I think I was trying to understand the question. It's about the attractiveness of certain markets for heated tobacco, correct?

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Gaurav Jain
Analyst, Barclays

No, what I'm trying to understand is that in some markets like the UK, these tax gaps between heat not burn products and cigarettes, they actually negatively impact you if consumers keep moving to heat not burn products in the UK where you are not present. So would you be arguing for the closure of these tax gaps over the long term?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Okay, Matt, I got it, sorry. Reality is, I think one of the things, our strategy around our NGP strategy, like with the rest of the industry, is built around the fact that governments across the world will incentivize in their tax regime for consumers to switch over to NGP products. I think there is a level of robustness to the strategy that it doesn't build around some specific exact position of a government to take. So I feel, and to be clear, I think there will continue to be movements around tax rates, around NGP products across the world in the years to come. Yeah. Overall, what we're seeing is the direction is in line with what we expected. And when we formulated in January our strategic plan, we did foresee an increase in tax rates related to NGP products. So we have seen nothing in the last couple of months that would worry us in this context.

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Gaurav Jain
Analyst, Barclays

Well, Bishop, thanks a lot.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. And your next question comes from the line of Adam Spielman from Citi. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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Adam Spielman
Analyst, Citi

Thank you. Three quick questions for me. Just returning to share buybacks, can you just really make it simple for us? When should we expect share buybacks? And also, have the racing agencies put more pressure on you in any way because of the possibility of a mindful buying in the U.S.? That's the first question.

speaker
Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Adam, let me answer it, and Oliver will jump in with more details. In principle, in the Capital Markets Day, I think we outlined very clear what is our capital allocation policy. And I think what you should look at the results today, we are delivering against the deleverage that we promised at this point in time. I think in Oliver's answer to Gaurav, I think one is to think... I would just be mindful about there can always be moving pieces around it. I think, therefore, we do not want to give a forecast when we'll get to that deleverage level that we have targeted. And I hope for your understanding on this one. Yeah. On your second question on the rating agencies, to be clear, we are in constant discussion with the rating agencies. What we have outlined as our strategy is very much in line with the discussions we had them to protect our credit rating in this context.

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Oliver Tant
Chief Financial Officer

I mean, Adam, just to the point about pressure, you'll see that all three rating agencies are now stable outlook. So we've actually improved the position over the past few months or so where we were on negative watch. I think PARP is a result of the uncertainty around our future, given the arrival of a new chief executive and a new strategy. But that has now been addressed in their ratings, and we are on stable outlook on all three rating agencies who formally assess us.

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Adam Spielman
Analyst, Citi

Okay, my second question is talking about innovation and next generation products. I notice that you're very much talking about the need to connect, have more of an emotional connection with consumers. But you don't talk anywhere about product upgrades. And, you know, I'm a little worried that PM and JT and BET, they're investing, and Joule actually, are investing a lot of money, hundreds of millions in uploading their products. And so I'm just wondering, in this category, do you really believe that emotional connection is enough? Because as either of us, I think your products just need to be really substantially better, and that's going to be very expensive.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Sure. I think you're absolutely right. I mean, to be clear, the admission is just an emotional connection. I think being a marketer by training, it's a combination of your product offering with your marketing program and your emotional connection. And to be clear, also your route to market. Where can my consumers buy my product at what price? So it's the whole marketing mix. So I think what we wanted to highlight is that historically we have very much relied on marketing. our product offering carrying our message. And I think with the arrival of Andy and really having a marketeer sit at the top team of Imperial, we want to up-dial the quality of marketing communication with our consumers. But to be clear, product and product innovation will continue to play an important role. The second point I would want to make here, and I think it's an important one to keep in mind, is we are the number four player in the world. Our ambition is not to be the market leader in NGP. And our strategy now really focuses on NGP countries where there is a sizable NGP segment, where consumers are increasingly looking for choices. So in principle, our assessment is we can compete for the market share that we are looking for as part of our strategic plan in these markets with what we have to offer. But to be clear, part of our market tests, the trials that we're planning for NGP, meaning specifically our vaping product in the US and our two European heated tobacco markets, is to validate our proposition.

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Adam Spielman
Analyst, Citi

Okay. And then finally... Okay. Okay. Well, finally, I want to talk about your brand strategy in tobacco. And it seems to me very much focusing on local heritage brands. And in the context of the history of the last 20 years in tobacco, that's a very unusual strategy. The growth has all been in and the move has all been towards international brands. Obviously, you have some strong local heritage brands. But do you think you can continue like that? Isn't this a sort of perpetual strategy that now everybody else is swinging towards international brands and focusing more and more on that? You will be pretty much the sole player who's focusing on local heritage brands. Is that how you see it going forward for many years?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you for the question because I think it allows me to clarify one point. It is a combination of focus on global brands and local brands. The difference is And therefore, we do not drive a strategy that is focused solely on local brands. The strategy is, and this is the strategic change, we have completely neglected local brands in the last couple of years. Our level of investments in local jewels has been negligible. They were excluded from receiving any support from an innovation site, for example, and major marketing spend. And that, we think, is a mistake. If you're really consumer-centric, given the history of our company, we actually have a disproportionate share of strong local jewel brands given our acquisition history. And what the strategy has corrected, instead of giving no money to them and trying to migrate them as hard as possible into global brands, we've put the consumer first and saying, we will continue to absolutely, priority number one is our global brands, but we are now supplementing that with selected bets on local dual brands. And you can see in these set of results, if I may, in the market share performance, two markets in our top five markets have grown share in UK and Spain. A very substantial part of that share growth has been a reinvestment in local brands in Spain, in Noble and in Fortuna, and in the UK into the launch of Embassy. So actually, we can see in this set of results the first green shoots of actually starting to reinvest in some selected local brands. But that is not that we will not invest our global brands. So it's a combination of the two.

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Adam Spielman
Analyst, Citi

Okay, thank you very much. That was my last question.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Adam.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Alicia Forry from Investec. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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Alicia Forry
Analyst, Investec

Oh, hi. Good morning, everyone. Thanks for the question. Two questions. The first one's on Australia. which has, I guess, struggled to turn around as quickly as some of the other markets for the reasons you identified. My question is, do you think that you have the correct pricing architecture for that market longer term? And then secondly, on the U.S., can you talk a bit more about what gives you confidence in the U.S. vapor turnaround after competitors have obviously made a big push there in recent months. Just would appreciate a bit more color on how you think you can regain some of that lost share. Thank you.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Very good question. On pricing architecture Australia, I have the confidence that we have the product lineup and the pricing architecture to compete effectively in the Australian market. And let me explain that better. The share loss you see reported in the half-year results for Australia is primarily driven by our decision to increase prices and pass on duty excise to consumers and to customers. However, some of our competitors have chosen not to do that, and especially at the lowest entry, the fifth price tier in the market, we became uncompetitive. So all our share losses are related to that specific price tier. We have now, in the last couple of months, taken corrective steps and we've very quickly started to recover that share. So I feel quite confident that there's nothing problematic from a consumer perspective behind our brand architecture or pricing objectives. It was a very clear choice that hopefully will fill you with confidence that we're not here buying our shares. We're actually here pricing more than our competitors at the beginning of this fiscal year. So that hopefully gives you some confidence, we have the right product hierarchy, we have the right pricing architecture to actually compete in the Australian marketplace. To your second question about the US on NGP and specifically Blue. We will have our market test in the United States and then in one area of the US where we'll test the whole proposition. which is primarily a reset of our marketing and route-to-market capabilities. So we do believe that with these two key marketing elements being reset, we absolutely have an opportunity to compete in the U.S. market. But I would come back to one point prior. We are the number four or number three player in the U.S. market where you look at it, four in NGP, three in tobacco market. Our ambition doesn't have to be to be number one or number two to make money in this marketplace. So that's an important piece to keep in mind when you look at our ambition. It is linked back to what is the right ambition for this company. And the last point I would make here on NGP is some of the market share movements, when you look very closely at driven by very heavy discounting of devices down to 99 cents. And you have to question yourself, I believe. You will get good initial trial. I think you will see whether consumers stick with the brands once pricing moves up and what kind of loyalty you're buying with deep discounting of devices, which is a technique we as Amperio have not engaged in and have deliberately accepted some market share loss because we're not sure this is good market share.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Patrick Folan from Redburn. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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Patrick Folan
Analyst, Redburn

Hi, yes. Good morning. Two questions, please. First, on Germany, I was hoping to give more detail on what is happening from a portfolio perspective that is causing the current headwinds. Is it more branding focus or a portfolio that needs to be moved towards value formats? And has there been any improvement in East Germany where prices are a bit more competitive, or is that really dependent on your sales improvement that is ongoing.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Patrick, good morning. If you look at it, Germany, I'm very happy about your question. If you look at it, one thing, we still lose share in Germany, very clearly, but we lose less shares than we used to do last year. So we've lost share in Germany for 10 years in a row. So what I take as an encouraging signal, we're slowing the level of decline. Now, it's very clear that's not where we want to be mid-term. but it at least shows some first green shoots that the initial actions are starting to show some benefit. Now, to the specific parts of your question, what we are seeing is our sales efforts are starting to begin to make a difference, but we're at the relatively early stages here. Our brand renovations, reinvestment in brand equity in JPS, and in West and in Gauloise are at the early stages. So the arrival of Andy, who is now deeply involved reviewing the marketing programs, will only start to make a difference over time. Through the question of East Germany, where we historically hold a lower share than in our national market, now one thing that has hurt us with the border closures towards the Czech Republic and Poland because of COVID, the East German market has actually become more important. Therefore, it actually has a negative impact on our overall market share because suddenly East Germany is a higher weighting of the total German share because consumers do not travel into Poland and Czech Republic at this point in time. There, it's primarily about rejigging our sales force. We are building a better coverage of East German outlets, but that is just work in progress. So in summary, you can see the very early signs of our new strategy being put in place in Germany, but it's probably the place where we'll take the longest. When I look at it, the steps we've taken, they are starting to show the results we're looking for, but there is a lot more to come, especially on the brand side.

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Patrick Folan
Analyst, Redburn

Okay, that makes sense. And just with regard, you talked about a Dutch natural leaf brand extension. Considering the current mental situation, does that make sense? Or are the cigars more geared towards pure tobacco flavors, supposed flavors that could be at risk of being banned?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Sure. Good question. The key motivation for us, and I'm very happy about the question, is if you look at it, we have, for a long period of time, a very good position in the mass market cigar segment with backwards. But it's very clear, backwards is a very premium price product. priced at double the typical price of the market. And we have good consumer answerings. The decision, as we're outlining the capital markets today, we really see mass market cigars as a very attractive segment. It's a growing segment in the U.S., but we have only played the premium end. So the decision we have made of really serving all our consumer needs to position a new product offering under the Dutch brand name in the price segment below. So it's meeting a consumer need that we as Imperio haven't served in the past, And the initial success with the quality we can offer has been very strong to consumers. So we haven't linked it really to any potential bans on flavored cigars. It's just us going into a price segment where we as Imperial really haven't played, and the initial reaction has been quite strong.

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Patrick Folan
Analyst, Redburn

Okay. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. As a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question, please press star and 1. Your next question comes from the line of Sanas Subharsan from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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Sanas Subharsan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

Hello. Good morning, Stefan, Oliver team. Two questions from me, please. The first one, you have called out about share gains in combustibles across three of your strategic markets, US, UK, and Spain. Can you perhaps give us more sense about your performance in these markets across the overall nicotine user base, just to calibrate how the movements of NGPs working in these key markets. And then secondly, Stephan, you have announced your intentions a few times today on meaningful harm reduction. Could I press you a bit on what, in your view, is meaningful here, please?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. On total nicotine market shares, happy to look at the top markets. Now, the easy ones are simple. If you look at Spain, for example, I mean, there's a relatively small NGP segment. And actually, we hold the leading market share in vaping, which is the largest category here. So actually, I'm very encouraged when I look at total nicotine share because we shouldn't forget we lost share in Spain for a long period of time. And the refocus on Noble and Fortuna as local jewels complementing our global brands like west and jps actually striving share forward very happy with that um if you go to germany uh reality is here um we are holding our share in the ngp segment behind our vape behind blue in a very good way and i think we need to see what happens with our nicotine with the legislation on this front yeah so overall the challenge in total nicotine in germany is clearly on the tobacco side yeah um dealing with the us Morality is, as you know, when you look at it, the NGP share overall of total nicotine consumption is just progressing as it would have done in the past. And therefore, our U.S. test to get more of our fair share in the vaping segment is the key thing that we're working on. So I see, I feel optimistic. What we're doing behind our new strategy to get to the right share position in the US is absolutely right because we're now starting to grow faster on our tobacco share and at the same time we're addressing with the market trial how do we compete in the vaping segment. And then to round it off, UK, you've seen a very strong performance. Also, our vaping proposition is doing quite well. And the heated tobacco segment tends to be quite small at this point in time. So I think also happy about our total nicotine proposition there. And I'm just trying, Australia, as you will know, there is no legal NGP offer. So we're really talking about the tobacco position there. Yeah. So hopefully that gives you an idea where we are there. Thank you. Can you just remind me of the second question, please?

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Sanas Subharsan
Analyst, Morgan Stanley

No, sure. So what I wanted to understand is your definition of meaningful harm reduction. What does meaningful quantify as?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. I think, to be clear, it would probably be better placed once these market tests have completed. I think what you should definitely read into it, we do believe that We, as one of the large players in our industry, we want to make the right contribution in offering our consumers a harm-reduced product offering. I wouldn't want to put a number at this point in time because we're talking about a market that is still highly volatile, still in development, but it will make a meaningful difference to the harm reduction for our consumers. It will also, over time, hopefully make a meaningful difference to our financial situation as a company. Thank you.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of John Leinster from Society General. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Thank you and good morning. Yeah, three if I can. First one, just on the Salesforce expansion in the U.S. and Germany, is that how it already started within the U.S.? ? Is that going to be something that's really coming into the second half of this year and therefore should start to have an impact next year? Or could you give perhaps a timeline on when you expect the results of that expansion, please?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Absolutely, John. Good morning. You got it. In principle, what's happened in half one, we have primarily prepared. Recruitment has happened. But as you will know, if you want to recruit people in the right way and they are going through training right now, so virtually... These new colleagues will hit the road and customers in the half, too, in U.S. and in Germany. Reality is when they go off to new territory, we shouldn't forget these are customers that we haven't covered with face-to-face interactions. So probably the financial, put it this way, the net revenue impact in the second half is going to be smaller, but it will be an investment in the second half because the salaries of our new colleagues are in there. You will see the benefit from a market share perspective most likely more in fiscal year 22 when they have found the right routes, they've built a relationship with the customers. They have put the right picture of success and shelving out there. So that's how I would see you being able to track the progress we're going to make.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Okay, thanks. Second question. Maybe I misheard you. Did you say your mass market cigars in the U.S. were up 60%, 6-0? No, you haven't misheard us.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

It's actually up 61%. Now, before we get too carried away, I think, just to help you, John, now, number one, The big run in there is backwards. Backwards in half one 2020, so the like-for-like comparison period, we suffered supply chain issues because we really want to make sure the quality of the leaf is correct. And we had seen such an increase. So actually last year, we really struggled with supply. So the plus 61 is logically was helped by that fact that the base was quite low. It's also helped, to be clear, by the launch of Dutch that we touched in one of the questions before, where you have the pipeline filling effect of that as well, as retail partners actually give us extra shelf space and stock the brand. So please do not expect a repeat of that in half two. We still have a positive number. And I think you should probably see the bigger picture is that there's a segment that actually is in growth overall. Awesome volume. We as Imperial have the strongest brand in that segment. We're building out our portfolio. We're getting to a supply chain situation that actually will allow us over time to meet consumer demand. So this should be one of the growth engines of our U.S. business for the years to come. And it's clearly baked into our overall global strategy.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Actually, apologies. The question was actually going to be, I mean, given that level of growth, do you actually have the capacity to maintain that sort of level of that sort of

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

significant growth rate that you've seen or is that something where you'll have to invest quite a lot more in order to maintain that sort of growth we have made the investment and to be clear the leaf supply is kind of independent farmer so this isn't a capex investment from imperial side the manufacturing capabilities we absolutely have yeah so we will be able to actually grow the brands and in the way we have forecasted. The only thing, please, do not expect it to grow 61% year on year. That would be the key thing. But expect to see good, positive growth, hopefully over time, also double-digit growth behind the brand proposition here.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Thanks. And lastly, obviously, you've had a settlement with Minnesota and Texas. Does the provision cover Is that all the outstanding disputes with the U.S. states or is there potentially more to come in terms of that provision for the MSA disputes?

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Oliver Tant
Chief Financial Officer

Well, the answer is it's just covering Texas and Minnesota. We do have litigation with Florida, which is ongoing, but we are extremely confident about our position with Florida, which is why you will see there's no provision in the context of where we sit with that particular litigation. So it doesn't cover everything. but it covers the areas which we thought it was sensible to settle upon based upon where our position is at the moment.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Great. Okay. Thank you very much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. We have one further question, and the question comes from the line of Farhan Baig from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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Farhan Baig
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Morning, guys. Following the trend. Three from me as well, please. Can I start quickly with the mass market cigars business? Stefan, you mentioned it's in volume growth. What do you think is driving that performance? That will be helpful. And just on that, has there been a price increase? I know one of your competitors announced a price increase at the start of the year. Have you also taken a price increase? That's the first question.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Absolutely. Good morning. Number one, why is mass market cigar in growth for us? There are two drivers. The biggest driver is our market share gain. We've gained very significantly market share in that category. That's the number one driver. A smaller effect is that it is, when you look at total nicotine consumption in the U.S., It's actually the one segment that actually is growing nicely as consumers are switching to this product offering in the marketplace. And on the question on price increases, we are the most premium price product in the marketplace with backwards, with double the price of the next competitor. So actually we have not taken some specific pricing on this. So pricing has not been a key driver disproportionately for contributing to the 61% growth.

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Farhan Baig
Analyst, Credit Suisse

Okay, perfect. And then moving on to modern oral or nicotine pouches, could you remind us how big that business is for you guys now? And could you maybe help us with the strategy in modern oral specifically? I know you mentioned you have some market trials in the other two NGP businesses, but what is the strategy here? And what could lead you to potentially changing your view on on taking all nicotine in the US where you would have a very good route to market and then clearly there is a potential benefit from a returns standpoint as well in that market. Thank you.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Just to give you an idea, our model orange nicotine business roughly in these numbers are 15 million pound business. Just to give you a dimension. It's meaningful, but logically it's warped by the EVP business. Now, to be clear, it's a very fair question about the U.S., but I think we should step back and look at it a bit. We have a very strong position in our European markets where the brands are well-established, and there is a consumer habit for that. So you're very right to point out the only market where there is a well-established oral nicotine segment where we're not present is the U.S. Yeah? Absolutely right. But you will know well, to launch a new brand into the U.S., you will have to go through a very lengthy PMTA process unless you are going to buy a competitor in the U.S., which we've chosen not to do. I think there are bigger opportunities for us as a company. But we'll see how this progresses over time. But the $50 million, we think there's a bigger opportunity for Imperial to compete in the much larger vaping sector. Okay.

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Farhan Baig
Analyst, Credit Suisse

And one final question. I think you mentioned this on the slide back. your share in the top five markets was up six basis points, but actually your tobacco share overall was up 30 basis points. What markets are making that difference? And is it you driving that performance or is it an issue of product portfolio? And which markets in particular are driving that would be helpful to understand.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Well, one of the biggest drivers is that our top five markets exactly a year ago, lost us 37 basis points. So actually, the biggest improvement here is actually our core markets. Now, if you look at why are the wider markets still showing better share gains, a couple of markets, which are big volume markets, because we're talking volume share, you're talking markets like Saudi Arabia, you're talking markets like Russia in our portfolios, a couple of markets where we have good market share performance, but if we go back to strategy, these are not markets where we as Imperial make lots of money. So that is one of the things, but I think what is reassuring probably for you is about the focus on the top five markets hasn't slowed down some of the other markets in our market share position. And the other one in this one, just to complete it, our African markets, which we highlighted by the strategy, also had some very good share performance, which is probably of all of them the most important one because they are strategically not within the top five. but not too far behind, which gives us confidence about our strategy in the longer term. Many thanks.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of John Leinster from Societe Generale. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Hi, guys. Back again. Sorry about that. Just a quick question. On the first six months, you mentioned that total market size was down 3.2% and that obviously with COVID sort of unwinding. So what would you expect the market size to be down for the full year, please?

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, it's a tricky one. And just to share that dilemma with you, I think when you look at it, overall market size has been slightly helped by the COVID situation. As COVID kind of starts to unwind, I think we'll see more of a return of volume market declines back to historical levels. But I think the challenge for all of us at this point in time, when you look at our half to being April through September, it's quite tough at this point in time to forecast how much it will start to unwind in these next couple of months, primarily, to be fair, based about travel restrictions, the ability of consumers to return back to their normal consumption patterns. So if you asked me today, I would say you will see a slow return back to normal consumption patterns and therefore normal market decline rates from a volume perspective, but I don't think you will see in half two a complete return to a normal pattern yet. Right.

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John Leinster
Analyst, Société Générale

Okay.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Thank you much.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Jade Dingus from J.B. Morgan. Please go ahead. Your line is open.

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Jade Dingus
Analyst, J.P. Morgan

Hi, guys. Actually, all my questions have been answered, but maybe just one quick one. So, you know, in the U.S., for a while now, we've been seeing some downtrading from kind of the premium discount segment to the deep discount segment. Is this something that you guys would expect to continue? And are you, you know, kind of adjusting for that and planning your strategy around that? So maybe if you can comment on that one.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

I mean, one thing is consumers. I mean, with being more consumer centric as a company, I think it's important. We follow and want to serve our consumers wherever they are. I think one of the things which is exciting for us at Imperial, while we're only the number three player in the US, we do have an attractive offer in the deep discount segment. So one thing I think that distinguishes us in the US is that of all the big players, we're the one with the most complete assortment of brands, going from premium all the way down to deep discount. So the ability to serve our consumers, and you're right, if there is a segment that has in the last couple of years, slightly ahead of the rest of the market. It's that deep discount segment, which we do serve as well as a brand and has helped us on our share development. So that is something I'm very happy with. And when we look at now with Andy arriving as a new chief consumer officer, we're looking about what offer, what brand offer do we have for what price point in the U.S. market. And you will be aware that the deep discount segment in the U.S., despite its name, is still a very attractive segment for industry players like ourselves from a cross-margin perspective.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thanks. Thank you. I will now hand back the call for closing remarks.

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Stefan Bomhard
Chief Executive Officer

Okay. Okay. Sure. I mean, first, thank you for a set of great questions. So hopefully you get a good sense about kind of a good start into the year, good top line performance, really happy, especially being able to stabilize our market share in our top five markets. Looking forward to a good year, but I think it's good to have the first half year under our belt, and I just want to reiterate the guidance that we gave for the full year. And hopefully looking forward to seeing you when we do the full year results face-to-face. None of us are giving up hope on that one.

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Operator
Conference Operator

All right. Take care. Thank you. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect.

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