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8/7/2024
Hi, good morning, everybody. Nice to see so many of you here in person. I know it's a busy time, very, very busy day. And also welcome to anybody who's watching online. For those of you who don't know, I'm Gavin Slark. I'm the CEO, joined today by Ian Ashton, who is our CFO. We're going to follow now what I think you'll recognize as a well-trodden path for this morning, a very brief overview from myself, the detail on the financial results from Ian, a little bit of a business overview from myself after Ian's finished, and that should leave us time at the end for some reasonable Q&A. So in terms of the overview for the first half of this year, you don't need me to tell you how challenging the markets have been in which we operate. But we are reporting this morning revenue of 1.3 billion with an operating profit of 11.7 million pounds. Primarily, our larger markets have been the weakest when you look at UK, France and Germany. But we do believe in many of those markets using data that's available to us that we have delivered a robust sales performance relative to the markets in which we operate. We have seen Poland and Ireland showing some growth. They are a little bit further through the cycle for us. And although you might think that Ireland and Poland are relatively small businesses in terms of the SIG group, which they are, but they still account for almost 20% of our profit in the first half of this year. We have maintained a very disciplined approach in terms of costs and in terms of cash management during the first half of this year. And Ian will talk a little bit more later about the £24 million of cost savings in the first half of this year compared to the first half of last year, which is a very significant impact on the overall performance of the group. And again, Ian will talk more later about our robust liquidity of over £190 million. In terms of actions for operational improvement, we are still investing in the future of the business and we're still making improvements in what we do. We have commenced more e-commerce development in Germany and in France. We're also taking a lot of actions in terms of margin and in terms of product mix. A lot of that related to private label, a lot of it related to what we're doing in trade counter areas, particularly in the UK roofing business. and also making sure that we are positioned well for when the markets do turn. Construction and construction products are very cyclical markets. We're very conscious that the markets will turn, and a lot of the actions that we're taking is about making sure that we're in the best possible position for when those markets do turn, and constantly looking at measures regarding productivity, regarding margins, and regarding costs to make sure that we are absolutely in the box seats going forward. In terms of the detail of the numbers, I'll pass you across now to Ian.
Thanks, Gavin. Morning, everybody. Hope you're all well. So... I'll start with key financial metrics. In H1, we made good progress in what were difficult markets, as noted by Gavin. Group sales were down 7% over the prior year on a like-for-like basis, a resilient result given the further softening in market demand we did see over the period. Gross margin was down by 90 basis points on H1-23, primarily from pricing pressures in the current market. Those lower sales and gross margin were partially mitigated by very robust management of operating costs, and this led to an underlying operating profit of £12 million. After finance costs, that resulted in an underlying loss before tax of £7 million. And I'll look in more detail in a moment the key elements within all of those numbers. Below underlying profit, other items were £5 million for the period, comprising mostly restructuring charges of £3 million, along with the normal amortisation of acquisition intangibles, which was one. And I'll expand on the restructuring in a few minutes. Free cash outflow of £22 million predominantly reflects the usual seasonality of the business, with working capital rising from a year-end low to a mid-year peak. Net debt did not move much over the last 12 months, very marginally up, as you can see, a positive metric in what has been a tough market backdrop over that time. Leverage has, as expected, risen due to the lower profit. And of course, I'll cover cash and the balance sheet as well in more detail in a few minutes. On the next slide. So revenue, this slide shows the key movements within the group revenue number on the left. On the right, the trends on volume and price over recent quarters. The 50 million lower volume represents a three to 4% year over year decline, reflecting the softer markets we've mentioned. Price deflation impact of 46 million reflects a 3% decline from a combination of some modest remaining purchase price deflation and sales pricing pressures. Looking at the recent quarterly trends in volume and price on the right, in short, the rate of volume decline, the green line on here that we saw last year has moderated from Q423 due to the comparators, but was still negative year over year in H124. We expect that rate of year over year volume decline to moderate further in H2, i.e. to very low single digits to flat due to the lapping of increasingly weak comparators. Similarly on pricing, the dark blue line on here, we were seeing the remaining positive tailwinds from input price inflation in Q3 and into Q4 last year, and pricing has since crossed over into a headwind. This is partly net deflation on input costs in our product mix, with some deflation on commodities, notably steel, slightly outweighing modest and now much more normal levels of price increases in certain of our more core products. And then in addition in H1, we've of course seen some selling price pressure in the current market. Overall, we expect that pricing line to continue to shift upwards in the second half to very low single-digit declines in H2. The grey bars reflect the absolute level of average daily sales over the quarters, i.e. stripping out the effects of shifting comparators. You can see that in Q2, we were up near the levels of the second half of last year, and broadly speaking, we expect those absolute daily sales numbers to continue into H2. So the revenue by business, all of our markets, with the exception of Poland and Ireland, as Gavin mentioned, were down year on year due to the prolonged softness in demand we've mentioned. We do believe, as Gavin said, we're continuing to take share in the vast majority of our markets. One point to note on this table is that we don't adjust our like-for-like numbers for branch closures or openings. UK interiors numbers do include the impact of a small number of closures of underperforming or strategically poorly located branches, which drove about 3% of the total decline in that business in the period. The impact in H1 was mainly from two that closed around the turn of the year, with a couple of more recent closures not really affecting H1, but they will affect H2 slightly. The net 11% decline in that business reflects the difficult backdrop in the UK and in those interiors and market segments in particular. We remain confident the team are making robust decisions in trading off volume and price in the more commoditized elements of the product offering. You can see that UK demand across all three businesses remained weak, but UK roofing in particular has strong momentum at the moment and is performing very well against the market. In France, both businesses are trading well, again, in a difficult market. And again, we have a lot of confidence in our teams there, and that they're making the right decisions and trade-offs. Same goes for Germany, which at a 3% decline is, in our view, clearly outperforming the German market by some margin. Poland and Ireland are back to growth, still early, but these two markets are further ahead in the cycle than the others, and our businesses are seeing the benefit. So the profit bridge, this shows the year-over-year drivers of H1 operating profit. The first two red bars just show the gross profit impact of those sales movements that I've just talked about, and combined, they're obviously the primary driver. The other factors are the movements on gross margin percentage and movements within operating costs. So a 90 bps dip in gross margin to 24.7% drove the 13 million impact shown here. This does reflect the continuing pricing pressure across most markets, which is inevitable in this demand environment. And we do remain satisfied with how the businesses are handling that and the trade-offs involved and making sure that we emerge from this low point in the cycle well-placed to grow gross margin in the future. Moving across, the 7 million inflation within our operating costs was back towards more normal levels based on historical averages after the more extreme increases we saw in 22 and 23. Employee costs are around half of the total OPEX and rose around 3 to 4%, which accounts for 80% of that 7 million. And finally, as Gavin mentioned, we've made an underlying saving of £24 million on OPEX versus the prior year, a material number. And I'll touch on that in greater detail on the next slide. So overall, we delivered £12 million of profit in H1. And overall, I'd just say on this slide, you can see clearly the drop-through impact that lower revenue has in our business model. with a branch network-oriented cost base that's primarily people, branch estate costs and fleet. And of course that leverage works the other way too, and will do so when volumes recover, but benefiting a more efficient and effective business than we had a couple of years ago. So on efficiency and productivity, some more detail on those OPEX actions I mentioned. So restructuring on the left-hand side, we talked at the 23 full-year results of delivering £10 million of permanent annualised savings through actions taken to that point. That's all well on track and delivering the benefits as expected, and we've since initiated additional initiatives. In H1, we identified a further £5 million of annualised savings through headcount reductions, and branch restructuring, which will bring the cumulative annualised benefit to £15 million, as shown on the left-hand side. The P&L benefit from this was roughly £6 million in H1 over prior year, with another £6 million to come in H2, with very round numbers, £2 million having already benefited H2 23, and the small remaining balance to benefit 25. The cost to deliver that £15 million is around £12 to £13 million, with £6 million of cash spent to date, of which about half was in H124, the other half at the back end of last year. Of the balance yet to be incurred, most will be spent in H2 of this year and a small amount left into 2025. Around £1 million of the total cost is non-cash. And Gavin will give a bit more colour on some more of the specifics behind this in a few minutes. Looking to the right-hand side of this slide, that restructuring, i.e. the savings requiring one-off spend to deliver them, has been just one element of our cost-saving initiatives. As I've mentioned already, and as you can see on the right-hand side here, before inflation of around 7 million, we took 24 million out of our reported operating costs compared to H1 last year. And there's four elements within that. Firstly, the restructuring just mentioned, roughly 6 million year-over-year. Secondly, reduced headcount through managing the natural churn we always have in the business, i.e. delaying or cancelling the replacement of levers. Thirdly, other OPEX initiatives, notably more disciplined management of our delivery fleet, primarily in the UK and Germany. And finally, and probably the least impactful on OPEX, the lower volumes that we've seen. So on to cash. In the appendix, we've included the usual slide showing the details of the cash flow and net debt. This slide here focuses on the key drivers of free cash flow starting at EBITDA. In short, we reported a 22 million outflow in free cash or 3 million operating cash before interest and tax. The first and largest item on here, lease payments on our fleet and estate was largely stable. It will grow slightly over time with the business, as we've said before, not least with inflation, but it's a relatively stable number. CapEx at 8 million was in line with normal trends of recent years. In working capital, the usual H1, H2 seasonality drove that 8 million cash outflow, but that seasonality impact was mitigated by solid management of the key working capital levers. And in fact, as you can see, working capital has dropped steadily as a percentage of sales over the last couple of years. 4 million of cash exceptions in the period relates primarily to the restructuring actions that I just mentioned. And then after operating cash, we have interest and tax. Of that 19 million shown there, £18 million was interest, roughly 40% of which relates to our bond and the rest to leases. Cash tax was negligible in the half and will be more H2 weighted. And I'll cover the forward view of those numbers in the technical guidance. Just turning to the balance sheet. A reminder of our financing position and debt profile. In short, we have good liquidity and funding at good rates with maturity dates in 2026. Looking at the left-hand side, liquidity is healthy at £191 million. The RCF of £90 million was undrawn at the period end, as you can see, and remains undrawn today. Gross cash was around £100 million. In the middle of the slide, net debt finished the half at a fairly similar level to H123. Our reported leverage increased in H1 due to the lower EBITDA, as we'd expect, to 4.3 times. And on the right, just to recap the terms of our current financing arrangements, in short, we have 5.25% fixed rate debt via our bond until late 26, and the RCF terms are as shown here. Of course, we are and will be working through the options for optimal refinancing over the next six to 12 months, and we'll advise on that once we have something concrete to report. Finally, technical guidance on product costs. We've seen slight deflation in aggregate over H1, as I mentioned, and if anything, we'd expect that impact to decrease in H2. OPEX inflation will, as always, remain a factor, but we expect this to remain at the more normal levels we saw in H1. compared to those elevated levels we saw over the last couple of years. CapEx, we're now guided to a slightly lower number for 24 as we manage the more discretionary aspects of this. I should add that the lower end of that updated range is pretty similar to our run rate of recent years. Interest is unchanged at around 40 million for the year. On tax, as reported previously, we have tax assets in the UK and Benelux, and as such, we don't expect to pay corporation tax there for some time. We do have tax liabilities in our other operating companies. Given this mix and the fact we don't yet recognise the UK tax assets from an accounting perspective, our underlying effective tax rate, as I think you know, is distorted and not very meaningful. It's more helpful, I think, to guide to a P&L number, which I expect to be in mid to high single digit millions of pounds for this year. Our cash tax for 2024 will be lower than I guided in March, now in the 11 to 13 million range shown here, and all bar about a million of that will be paid in H2, just due to the way the phasing works this year, notably in Germany. And as I've mentioned before, the German payments this year include an element of catch-up of the last couple of years in line with local regulations. That concludes my update. In summary, while the tough markets continue, the business is managing through these headwinds well. We're taking the actions that will help both the short and longer term and really keeping a focus on just improving and strengthening the business. And with that, I'll hand it back to Gavin.
Brilliant. Thanks, Ian. Appreciate that. Just very briefly, actually, just on that photograph we've got there, you can see one of our colleagues in France working with a product called Irondale. Irondale is actually one of our private labels that we have within the trade counter area in France. I'll just touch a little bit more on private labeling in just a moment. It's a really important part of our story going forward and certainly in terms of managing margins. This slide, many of you will recognize it's a bit of an old favorite, but really it's just to show that geographic breakdown of the operating profit across the group. you'll see even in the first half of this year, 40% of the profit being driven from France, almost 30% from the UK, just under 15% in Germany. But you'll see there that important contribution from Ireland and from Poland, where the markets are definitely improving. Again, just a reminder, in France, we trade under two brands, La Riviere being our roofing business and Leet being the interiors business. Whereas in the UK, we actually trade as SIG Interiors, SIG Roofing, And then we have a number of brands within the specialist markets division, a couple of which I'll touch on within the next few slides. In terms of the overall revenue performance, I think it's just helpful to look here, hopefully trying to give you just an at-a-glance view of where the revenue sits across the group. And you'll see there from a revenue perspective, the UK interiors business is still the largest business that we have within the group. One of the things I think that's really interesting about the different dimensions that we have, even within the UK. So if you look at UK interiors at 250 million of revenue, that is from 30 locations across the UK. Whereas if you look at UK roofing. at 180 million of revenue. That's from over 100 locations, so very, very different business dynamics. 55% of the interiors business is non-residential, whereas in the roofing business, 85% of what we do there is into the residential market, and about 40% of that is into new builds. So even within the UK, you'll see there's quite different dynamics that affect different parts of the overall group. If you look at the UK roofing business, which is one of the better performers this year, what's also quite interesting there is, by value, about a third of the revenue in that business is collected by the customers at a branch level, which obviously gives us the ability to work much harder in terms of trade counter areas. how we can merchandise those trade counters, how we can impact the margin with higher margin pickup lines. And actually the work that we've done on the trade counters in that business over the past 18 months really starting to pay off because those collections from the trade counters in UK roofing are actually 10% higher in the first half this year than they were in the first half last year. And again, you'll see from that slide, just very briefly there, just the fact that Poland and Ireland both into positive territory compared to the first half of 2023. If you look at the operating margins and profit, again, I think it's quite interesting. If you look at the two businesses at the top of the chart there, being France Roofing and UK Roofing, both of those in hot competition as to who would be the biggest profit earner in the group within the first half of the year, but both at 4.9 million. But interesting that our two largest profit makers are both of our roofing businesses in those core larger markets. I think what's also interesting there is we've left there the target margins that we laid out at the capital markets event last year. So you can see the direction of travel that we're hoping to take over the medium term and still very much holding on to those targets and the overall 5% operating margin target. that we have for the group. To be clear, to get to that 5% margin target, we will need volume recovery in the market. But as Ian mentioned earlier, the operational gearing within the group is actually very strong. So as we start to see volume coming back, we should see a disproportionate benefit to the operating profit line once those volumes start to recover. At the Capital Markets event, we did launch our GEMS strategy, so Grow, Execute, Modernize, and Specialize, and really just trying to give you some ideas here of some of the work that we have been doing and some of the progress that we have been making in some of these areas. I think if you look at Grow, when we talked about Grow at the Capital Markets event, what we actually spoke about was growth in excess of the market rates. And particularly in Germany and in the UK roofing market, we've made really good progress there relative to the markets. In terms of the execution and managing the cost base and looking at restructuring, as Ian mentioned earlier on, some quite significant OPEC savings compared to the first half of 2023. The overall headcount is around 250 lower than it was during the first half of last year. That is impacted by some branch closures. Some of that, sadly, through redundancy programs, and some of that is through the non-refilling and non-backfilling of vacancies through natural churn. In terms of modernization, I'm going to talk a little bit more about that later on, but really focusing on the use of technology and our omnichannel development as we go through the business. And then in specialization, one of the things that we're really keen to grow and to develop is that UK specialist markets business, which you'll notice from the previous slide, is also one of the higher margin businesses that we see going forward. But also in the first half of this year, significant progress in our solar offerings in both the French and the UK roofing business, and where we see roofing contractors really getting involved now in the installation of solar. In terms of longer term sort of opportunities for us, the housing shortage across Europe really impacts in every one of our major markets. And we continue to look at the decarbonization of the built environment, the fact that we do have an aging housing stock in the UK and in different European territories, and also what is being driven by legislation in terms of building safety and building performance in terms of decarbonization. And very broadly, if you look at those two circles on the right-hand side, what you'll see there is our business is broadly split, 50% residential, 50% non-residential, and again, a broad split of 50-50 between new build and RMI. And we see that spread of business and those long-term drivers within our market as being core strengths of SIG going forward. If you look at what we termed undergrow and the way that our businesses are performing ahead of the market, just a few examples there of some of the work that we have been doing to make sure that we are developing and putting ourselves in the right position going forward. Again, particularly Germany and UK roofing. I appreciate some of those pictures and panels on the right-hand side are quite difficult to read just looking at the screen there. But one of the examples that we have got there is an app-based solar calculator for our roofing contractor customers, which really starts to make it very easy for them to work out how many panels and what kind of installation they would need on certain buildings. And we do use interactive Google Maps on that system as well. to use. Also you'll see there where it says coming soon to Bamber Bridge, we have a new branch in Bamber Bridge which actually opened just this week. So still investing in the future, still making sure that the infrastructure in the business is right going forward. And I am very confident now that we've really seen a cultural shift away from just volume at any cost, but really carefully managing that trade-off between volume and between price, and making sure that we're not just chasing volume at any price, but really trying to manage where we are in terms of volume, where we are in terms of margin, and putting us in a better position going forward. In terms of the execution of the plan, one of the things that we have seen there is obviously the cost savings as we've gone through. And what we have done is we've tried to make sure that we've taken the cost out with the least possible impact in terms of face-to-face with our customers. So we have reduced the central corporate team. We have really focused on the central overheads in the individual businesses and tried to look at the non-replacement of levers before really getting into significant redundancy programs. You'll notice from the right-hand side there that we have got branch closures that we have seen in the first half of this year. We anticipate closing two or three more during the second half of this year, bringing us to around about 10 branch closures in total. And those branch closures do impact in the UK, in France, and in Germany. But these are branches where we've gone through with the geographic management teams and looking at branches that have either been significantly and perennially underperforming or strategically don't quite fit and we can overlay them with other nearby branches. But we are constantly looking opportunities for cost efficiency and for productivity. And it's not a case of looking at the results for the first half of this year and believing that we've reached the end point. Every time you assess where you've got to, you go again and you look for consistent improvement in the execution of the plan. In terms of modernization, those of you who followed SIG for the past few years will remember that we've spoken quite openly about our omnichannel process within the Polish business, where we've seen significant improvements in the Polish business on the back of that. That omnichannel system within the Polish business generally gives us a higher share of wallet of who the customers are using it. and also gives us a higher penetration of private label products. So a very, very well proven system. During the first half of this year, supported by the team that launched the process in Poland, we've now successfully piloted that system in Germany. And during the second half of this year, we'll see that full rollout of the German system. In conjunction at the same time as that, we've been working on getting the pilot ready for the French omnichannel process. As we fully launch Germany during the second half, we'll be doing the pilot during the second half in France and having that ready for its full launch in Q1 of 2025. Now, moving on from Poland to Germany to France, as you can imagine, that process gets more and more efficient every time we move on to a new business. So a significant point of modernization and a significant point of investing for our future business going forward. In terms of specialization, we do see the long-term opportunity here driven by some regulatory factors. And irrespective of which country you're in, almost every government that we see now talking across our European markets is talking about that long-term undersupply of housing stock, which irrespective of how different governments address it, has to be positive for the construction market and therefore by default positive for businesses like ourselves that operate within the construction product sector. One of the things that you'll see on the right-hand side there opposite the UK piece there is the 60 products that we've got under development. Now, just to be clear, these are within our businesses that primarily operate in manufacturing and fabrication of specialist product, which in the medium term we see as a much better long-term margin opportunity. So if you look at these specialist products, and I appreciate some of these businesses I'm going to name now, I'm sure you probably won't have heard of, but it will give you something to Google later on. But if you look at fire-stopping solutions, we have a couple of businesses that really specialize in fire-stopping solutions. So we have a business called Mayplas, which is in the north. We have a business called AIM, which is based down by Gatwick. And they are developing specialist fire-stopping products specifically to be used in the new build market. Similarly, we have an acoustics business, which is called CMS Danskin. And in CMS, we're developing to work alongside new building regulations, but specifically for new build acoustic products there as well. So even though that new build market has been a little bit softer in the UK, we're constantly working on that new product development to make sure that when that market does pick up, we've got those higher margin opportunities going forward. In terms of the French business, I'm sure everyone appreciates that the French political situation is somewhat complex as we stand here today. The positive for us is that all of the parties involved in France, again, recognize the undersupply of housing. as being a really important factor for them going forward. We have put a new dedicated solar warehouse very near our office in Angers to make sure that we can support the solar business in France, which again is really important for us. And we're also working with some suppliers of some quite innovative products. So for instance, one of the things that we're working on in France at the moment is an insulation product that is actually made from recycled plastic bottles. So really trying to push those sustainability credentials with our customer base and making sure that we're right at the cutting edge of that product development as they continue to move forward. But overall, in terms of specialization, we do see that specialization in a number of our businesses as being a core strength going forward. So in terms of looking at the results and the summary and the outlook, I think in terms of the first half of 2024, as we mentioned earlier, a very sustained market weakness, certainly not the market position we would have anticipated if you would have asked us 12 months ago, but in our larger markets of the UK, France, and Germany, very difficult operating environment. And that margin certainly being impacted by volume decline in the market, but partially being offset by the cost actions that we're taking and really disciplined management in terms of cost and in terms of cash. In terms of the full year for 2024, we're not changing our guidance at all. Underlying operating profit when we guided the market a few weeks ago to between 20 and 30 million pounds of underlying operating profit. We're not changing that guidance. That is very much where we see the business going. And certainly in the short to medium term, we anticipate our focus being very much on managing margins and managing costs across the business to make sure that we're coping as well as we possibly can with that softer market demand. In the medium to longer term, still very much we see that 5% margin target as being really important for us. And as Ian mentioned earlier on, that operational gearing that we've seen had a detrimental impact in the business over the past few months, we see that as a positive going forward. Operational gearing always works both ways, and we should see disproportionate benefit from that as the markets start to recover. And also, of course, we see as we go forward that significant opportunity for generating shareholder value, but also for creating a great environment for our colleagues to work in. Because everything that we can do that we talk about today, it's the 7,000 colleagues across the group that deliver that on a daily basis. That concludes our presentation. It does leave us plenty of time for Q&A. We're going to start with Q&A within the room. If you have a question, what I'd like you to do is to raise your hand. We'll bring a handheld microphone to you, which obviously we need for the webcast. Once you've got the microphone, if you can give us your name and the organization that you represent, then ask your question, and then we shall move on to any questions that we may have online at the end of the session. But I think as he's been really keen and tried to get his hand up three times already, we'll go with Ainsley down on the front row to start with. Thank you.
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