Wizz Air Holdings Plc

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Wizz Air's Q1 results. Just a reminder, this presentation is being broadcast live on the webcast. When it concludes, we will turn to Q&A. We will take questions from the room first, followed by those online. When it does come to questions, please wait for the microphone to come around and state your name before you pose your question. And just remember, the microphone is there for the people online. It won't amplify your voice. And with that, I will hand over to Joseph Baradie and Jan Malin.

Thank you. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for coming and listening. Sorry, how can I move this?

Just say next slide.

Okay. All right. So we are reporting the first quarter of financial year 25. As a matter of fact, I think we are reporting very strong underlying trends. But at the same time, those trends have been tainted by certain hiccups affecting the performance of the business from a financial standpoint. So with regard to profitability, profitability was impacted by two major factors on the negative side. The FX, which is a very volatile movement on the business. Sometimes we gain, sometimes we lose. This time we lost, and that was an impact of 27 million. This is not a real P&L. This is more like... and overhang from the balance sheet. And secondly, we had a one-off wet lease cost of roughly around 40 million euros, which will not be reoccurring going forward. This is a temporary measure due to temporary issues. So we will elaborate on those. Actually, unlike some of our competitors, we have experienced a more robust revenue environment. Our unit revenue actually was up over 3%. That generated more cash for the business and started improving our leverage ratio. And now it is below 4. I mean, this is, of course, a continuous improvement coming through growth and profitability in the future. The single biggest issue to the business remains the GTF exposure. And as you can imagine, that is not just the one of costs associated with the engine management, but also some structural impacts, at least temporary structural impacts affect the performance of the business. We are operating All the aircraft we are operating under gauged aircraft versus the original plan, and that all affect unit cost performance negatively. I talked about the wet lease issue. I mean, indeed, it is temporary. We are planning on phasing out all the wet leases at the end of the summer period. Now, maybe just for you to appreciate the issue here. So at the time we decided to take that list was based on two considerations. One, a strategic one. we said that we would not be accepting a significant capacity decline and with that handing over markets to our competitors in peak summer and also that would have affected a significant number of consumers who have already made their bookings in the summer period. So we wanted to protect the consumer on the one side and we wanted to protect our competitive positions and those were strategic issues to be put on the table. At the same time, coinciding with that, we were getting projections from Brett and Whitney that actually the number of grounded aircraft may be around 55 going into the into the peak summer which would have created significant capacity gaps and we would have not been able to uphold capacity flat year on a year so that was kind of a an emergency reaction to the issues we were foreseeing at that point in time. In the meantime, the situation has improved. So Brett and Whitney has found ways of redeeming engines quicker than what they anticipated at that time. And as you see in the numbers, actually, we've got 46 aircraft grounded at the end of the period, peaking to 47 in the summer months. And basically that made us decide to phase out the Wettleys aircraft. But don't think that this was like an unconsidered decision or anything like that. Of course, we saw the negative impacts coming through the financial side, but we saw that the issue was strategically very important to be tackled as opposed to just leaving a position wide open to the market and to our competitors. With regard to the GATF matters, we were trying to work out some more insights for you to understand the mechanism of compensation and how that mechanism relates to the actual cost of the business. So the very cost of the GATF issues are indeed compensated by Brett and Whitney, but the consequential damage is not fully compensated by Brett and Whitney. And there are a number of factors that shall be considered as consequential damage. I mean, for example, the fleet mix, the fleet age, the gauge of the fleet, the impact on capital costs. I mean, you simply just think about it that we have a lot of brand new aircraft on the ground and we are flying a lot of board aircraft i mean that makes a profoundly negative impact um with regard to sustainability uh we are um recognized as world leader uh with uh with that regard uh and now for the fourth consecutive year we were awarded for being the most sustainable locust airline could you please move to the next slide Actually, the quarter was very strong in terms of underpinning operational performance. You remember, we have been discussing this for some time that most of the structural cost issues arose from some of the hiccups in operations and some of the the KPIs not met through operations. We have put actions in place and we have invested significantly into improving the operational metrics and you can see actually operational metrics improved substantially. So if you look at aircraft utilization, which we consider as one of the most fundamental issues of the USEC business model. This is now up to standards, a significant improvement. We operated the fleet on average for 12 hours, 48 minutes, and that compares to 12 hours, seven minutes a year before. And now, as said, we are back to standards. We are looking at 12 and a half hours as the target for the whole year. And we are not really yo-yoing capacity and utilization that much for various reasons. So this is a huge improvement, a significant one and strategically critical to underpin the performance of the business over the long run. On-time performance has also been improving. As a matter of fact, completion rate of Wizz Air was the best or one of the best in the whole of the industry. So we were topping the league with that regard and also our on-time performance improved substantially during the period. And again, completion rate and on-time performance are the underpinning factors for customer satisfaction, for EC261 compensation matters. And these are the factors that take care of some of the complexities arising from suboptimal operations. So all in, actually, we did a very good job to enhance the operational metrics of the airline. Now, looking at the flip side of the equation, and this is more down to the Brett and Whitney issues, the gauge has come down from 225 seats to 219 seats. I mean, that's a significant erosion and a significant impact on unit cost. And I mean, you can see this is one of the consequential damage areas of the groundings. that the operation of the airline changes as a result of not being able to fly brand new aircraft as they are grounded. Again, I would consider these factors as temporary, not one-off, but temporary. Once we are over the cycle, this is going to get corrected because all the aircraft extensions are in place for two to three years to really bridge this period. And once we regain the aircraft from the ground, and we continue to take new aircraft deliveries, this metric will re-emerge very quickly to the normalities. And as said, our carbon footprint remains very impressive in the industry, being by far the lowest amongst peers. And that is, of course, well recognized. And this is all despite the fact that we are operating smaller aircraft on average and and an older aircraft uh than previously uh planned so we are going to talk about the um the yield environment and the revenue environment but in my mind um we delivered uh fairly well on revenue but the context has changed where your competitor drops first In the last two weeks prior to departure, obviously, we are not immune from that. I mean, we are an actor of the market, but we are not the market. So competitive activities affect the performance of the business. But in our own right, actually, we delivered strong revenue performance. And that doesn't mean that we are perfect and there is no more ways to improve it. But within the context, I think we were fine. Underlying terms, I've seen the operational KPIs, which are the determining factors for long-term cost structure. They have improved tremendously and back in standard, so we are now back in pre-COVID levels. But because of the issues, the actual financial performance got tainted quite significantly. So our conclusion is that cost is the focus of the business and we need to do everything to make sure that whatever we are losing on the cost side because of the issues we deal with, we offset with other measures what we are going to do. to talk about those. And with that, I would hand that over to Jan.

Thank you, Joseph. So switching over to the next slide on revenue, I'm going to I'm going to point out the key elements of the goods and the bads and give you a bit more context on that. So in terms of revenue, despite slightly lower capacity, we had higher revenue in nominal terms as well as on a unit revenue basis. So 3.1% higher unit revenue in a period, April, May, June, that is still not the peak season. That was broken down in terms of the $1.259 billion revenue was broken down, $702 million in ticket revenue and $557 in ancillary revenue. Ticket revenue was up 2% year-on-year, and ancillary was up 1.7% year-on-year. So ancillary, I think, is one to point out that is coming back on track after Q4 last year where we saw some challenges on ancillary performance. In terms of EBITDA, we're pretty happy to point out 16% higher EBITDA year on year. I'll talk about depreciation on the next slide. Obviously, that was higher, as you can see, bringing EBIT down year on year, and then, of course, net profit down year on year. It's important to quantify the impact of the two elements that impacted net profit for Q1. One is the effect swing of 27 million. It was a timing issue at the end of June when we took a snapshot of the exchange rate that is largely corrected itself since then. But as Joe says, we are at the mercy of that and we're looking at ways to mitigate the impact of that because as the business grows going forward and as the fleet grows going forward, the impact of that will become more amplified unless we start to intervene. um on top of that we had wet lease costs as discussed uh at the time we had information that implied that we had a need for that um we've learned a lot about how to park aircraft and now we're learning how to unpark aircraft and when the total grounding projection from pratt changes and we end up with engines back sooner it's a bit more complicated than just changing a cell in a spreadsheet and assuming that you can activate aircraft. From Pratt's perspective, when an engine is returned, their compensation obligations are largely over. And so we lose the compensation, but at the same time, there's a gap in the period of time that it takes for us to start putting that aircraft back into production. You have to hang the engines on the aircraft, you have to do the maintenance required to take an aircraft out of preservation and back into operation. You need to make sure that you have crews available and you have a network and you have sails to support that. And so there's inefficiencies there that we're working on addressing. And so that all factors into the overall cost pressure that we see in Q1 and gives us a lot of areas to tackle as we further focus our efforts on cost eradication. But if you add the 27 million swing on FX and the 40 million or 39 million from wet lease costs to the reported profit of one, we end up with a number that would have exceeded Q1's profit last year. So it's a disappointment, of course, in terms of the unnecessary costs that we incurred. in q1 um at the same time when we signed these wet lease contracts we were entering the summer period there was a lot more confidence in the revenue environment going into the summer and wet lease aircraft were in high demand and so we we were um we made the decision to to to contract for both the summer period as well as for uh periods into q3 and q4 for these wet lease aircraft And now we're trying to get out of those. We're trying to find commercial ways to exit those contracts. There's a team working on it actively. We're optimistic that although at least aircraft will be gone by the third quarter, but there will be costs in Q2 and Q3. And that impacts the guidance adjustment that we'll talk about later on. In terms of hedging, we are 65% hedged on both fuel and the FX portion of fuel for F26 and 19% hedged for F27 for both. For fuel, F25's collar is 854 to 791. and F26, it's 843 to 736. And for FX, both F25 and F26, it's 108 and 112. So our fuel and FX fuel hedging portion of the hedging policy is in line with policy. We're pleased with where we are and we're seeing plenty of appetite from our counterparties to provide credit for us. So that's reassuring. In terms of our overall demand in the business, it's looking in line with where things were last year. So load factors are lined up with where they were this time last year. And then going forward into Q2, we'll obviously be announcing our Q1, sorry, our July numbers tomorrow, our traffic numbers. But in terms of Q2, so we're looking at August, September, and October being in line with last year, roughly 75, 74% for August booked, September being 38% booked, and October around 18% booked. So that's where things were last year at the same time. If we could go to the next slide, please. So this is the name of the game here in terms of cost. So we guided last quarter to be up high single digits in terms of X fuel cask. And we ended up at 272. You can see that at the bottom. I would argue that it is appropriate to make an adjusted ex-fuel cask number and adjusting out the 40 million that I mentioned earlier in wet lease costs. You can see that on the left, we've broken out the other costs line into its constituent parts, and you can see that there's 13 cents of short-term wet lease costs in there. So if 272 versus Q1 last year was 8% up, 259, which is the difference between the 272 and the 13, is 3% up. So in terms of ex-fuel cask, we're up 3% year on year on an adjusted basis. Now, It's important to look at this slide in totality and not individually, because first of all, we did say that we're going to be higher costs in the business for a number of factors. One is there are inflationary pressures. Second, there are PRAT related costs. And third, there's the capacity growth that's not coming. Fuel we talked about. There's an older average age fleet, less efficient aircraft. The wet lease aircraft are 180 seats in general versus our A321 aircraft. leading aircraft of 239 seats. So despite lower fuel prices, we're seeing higher fuel cost. Staff cost was one thing we called out last quarter. We are aware and deliberately holding additional staff available for the growth that's meant to return next year. So there's going to be inefficiency there on staff. I'll come back to maintenance and depreciation in a second and focus on airport and handling. That's important in that when you sign airport deals, those deals are very much tied to targets, volume targets. They all want to see passenger growth. uh they incentivize us to bring passenger growth and when uh our growth stalls we don't get the benefits uh that we have we're expecting and that's driving cost into that line the prep arrangements that we have are largely meant to address the cost of parking aircraft as joseph said um not necessarily the consequential effects so the direct cost of parking aircraft maintenance of course is going to be higher You're going to see more engine swaps. You're going to see more maintenance related issues. On top of that, the supply chain is stressed. And so we're seeing challenges around maintenance. So that's one element. And then the other element that the compensation is meant to offset is on the aircraft ownership, which flows through the depreciation line in our P&L. And a number of things have happened there. So we have aircraft on the ground, but we have been adding aircraft. We have 226 aircraft total in the fleet right now. Those aircraft are more expensive aircraft. The A321neo is a high performing, expensive asset. And on top of that, we invested consciously last year and in this quarter in spare engines, building up the spare engine bank to help us deal with not just resilience today, but long term resilience down the road. And so that depreciation line is under pressure from the groundings as well as from the overall evolution of the business. But if you look at the increase in maintenance and depreciation, 0.26 cents on depreciation and 0.09 cents in maintenance that's 0.35 cents in total and compared to the compensation on the far left 0.31 you can see the compensation largely offsets the increase in cost and maintenance and depreciation allowing for a little bit of gap for the growth of the overall business so um so that's how i would i would i would i would ask you to conceptualize the overall cost structure there's certainly work to be done things like wet lease costs um um you know are unacceptable and and and that's why we're working to get rid of them um and and overall you know there is cost pressure within the business but that's what we want to focus on and as joe says regardless of what the revenue environment is if we have the lowest cost then we should be able to compete under any circumstances and that's why we're putting so much attention on cost next slide please Overall, in terms of financial performance, we had 1.8 billion at the end of the quarter. That balance is now closer to two. So it's developing nicely. Our EBITDA to free cash flow conversion is in line with prior periods, despite not having the growth that we saw last summer. Overall working capital is in line with where things were last year's quarter, Q1. I know there were a lot of questions around that at the Q4, and that related to the timing of the Pratt & Whitney compensation activating. And you can see there's a progression in net debt down. So we're at 3.7 at this point. We're still targeting to bring that number down to two or below. To some extent, it depends on the overall... fleet financing structures that we are applying and the mix between operating leases and aircraft ownership type structures, whether it's the JOLCO or the finance lease, but that's the direction of travel. And it depends largely on the overall timing of the assets that we get, whether they're aircraft or engines. And so we continue to manage that carefully to bring our balance sheet into a robust shape for long term. So with that, I'll pass it back over to some of the GTF-related highlights, Joe.

Thanks, Jan. So with regard to the GTF, this is to provide you an update and evolution of the management process here. So we ended up with 46 cycles up to the ground at the end of the reporting period. And we are expecting that number to peak at 47 in September. We think this is going to be the peak. As we stand right now, today, it's 45 aircraft. Now, creating the context to the number. So as said, back in the days, when we were looking at wet lease as a solution to bridging the capacity gap. At that time, the prediction was 55 aircraft. So actually things have moved, but things are moving on a continuous basis. I mean, we are in touch with Pratt & Whitney every day and we are reviewing the process and the developments depend on a lot of issues. Availability of shops, availability of labor, availability of parts, industrial processes because they are the producers of the parts, how many other engines are queuing, etc. So it's a very complicated process, very difficult to model and whatever you model that keeps changing. But this is our best view at this point in time, but this is not a graved in stone. This can change up or down, but this is what we think today we're going to be ending up with. We are still assuming a 300 day over the lunch in turnaround time. Now clearly what we are seeing is that Pratt has been able to identify some quick turn opportunities. Quick turn means that we get the engine into the shop. It takes probably 50 to 60 days to get through the air to shop visit and we can put the engine back on the airplane. The problem with that is that obviously that's a reduced scope of activities, but you will reach the next cycle of maintenance on the engine fairly quickly. So it's quick today, but it's going to be quick also to go to the second shop visit. So overall, when you look at it over a period of time, like, I don't know, three, four years, you are not really saving anything in terms of time. You are just shifting the balance from one place to another. But we think that this is still a better solution given the situation where we are uh to today we have been loading uh operations with a lot of spare engines so um by the end of summer we will have 56 of those spare engines so just imagine the magnitude of the issue we still have 46 47 aircraft on the ground notwithstanding that 56 engines are consumed in supporting the process so you take i don't know 47 twice uh so that's nearly 100 engines on the board that another 50 spare engines so we have actually 150 engines uh being non-operational as we uh as we speak against the fleet of 220 aircraft in total so the issue is is is substantial as we have said uh and uh management of the of the issue requires significant uh focus and uh and resources on all sides of the uh of the equation but we think we are on top of this uh we're seeing that uh we are able to create better and better views for the future with more clarity. Nevertheless, everything remains subject to change. With regard to negotiations, we are negotiating on induction times, induction slots, turnaround times, but we are not totally in control of these issues as well as the extension of the compensation scheme going into next year. As you know, we have an agreement in place until the end of this year, but we are in in the process of extending a compensation scheme beyond that period, of course. And I don't think there is an issue here. So you should not be making false assumptions that as of the 1st of January, 2025, there is nothing coming from Bretton Whitney. There will be compensation schemes coming, but it is just yet not finalized. Could we please move to the next slide? Thank you. So this is the fleet plan. And I need to caveat this fleet plan because obviously the first thing that jumps out is that the fleet is going to grow from 229 seats from the end of the current financial year to the end of the next financial year. So which is, you know, jumping to 300 aircraft constituting around 35% growth. That's not going to happen. But this is the contractual numbers uh these are the contextual numbers what we can present to you um but we know that due to the airbus delivery delays actually the uh uh the fleet count is shifting so we are expecting uh something between 30 to 35 aircraft uh in the fiscal 26 estimate uh not being delivered uh so fiscal 26 end of fiscal 26 is expected to be uh 200 and something between 260 and 270. so the fleet growth for the next financial year is expected to be around 20 even sub 20 percent um But we are at the moment just presenting what is contractual, not what is totally realistic. But again, this is a moving target. I mean, you see that Airbus keeps making announcements on a fairly continuous basis. commenting their ability or inability to deliver aircraft on time. But please, despite the 300 contextual commitment, expect roughly around 260-270 aircraft to be in the fleet by the end of the next financial year. As said, we are getting rid of the batteries aircraft at the end of summer. So that should really be considered as one-off. And with regard to the XLR, current confirmation from the manufacturer is that we would start receiving the XLRs in calendar year 2025. And in that year, we expect to receive eight of those units. And we will, of course, make commercial announcements with regard to the deployment of those aircraft. Next slide, please. So that brings me to the guidance. Unfortunately, we have to process all these issues that we are seeing, whether this is one-off or short-term, temporary, structural, but we are now guiding on net profit of 350 to 450 million euros. on the basis of flat capacities throughout the year, flat in the first quarter, flat in the second quarter. With regard to the revenue performance, I think we take note of the revenue softness in the marketplace, also what our competitors observe, because we are not immune from their realities either, notwithstanding that we think we are doing better on revenue than most of our competitors. We are maintaining the 92% load factor guidance and we see ROSC to be at around mid-single digit year on year going through the financial year. On the cost side of the business, fuel costs, we maintain guidance being flat year on year. On ex-fuel costs, as guided previously, we are maintaining the high single digit guidance. The significant issues on the cost side is that we have discussed that the other significant issue, of course, is the relevant related matters that are largely offset through a compensation scheme. But there are some detrimental impacts on on other lines of the API or the or the operational or financial metrics. We are clearly seeing a very weak ATC performance. We would have hoped that by this summer ATC would be in a better place. Let me just give you one example. So if you look at our markets, the backbone of our markets is Central and Eastern Europe, especially kind of the corridor of Romania and Hungary. given the war in Ukraine, Ukrainian airspace is closed, traffic is redirected, and basically all that traffic is put through the Romanian-Hungarian corridor. And then you look at it from an ATC perspective, markets have recovered, both Hungary and... and Romania are up and above pre-COVID capacity levels. And on top of that, they are getting all these redirected traffic, predominantly overflying the airspace. And they are not even at pre-COVID capacity levels with regard to air traffic controllers. So they have huge shortages of labor capacity as a result, our slot restrictions are through the roof. So if we just look at Budapest, Budapest slot restrictions are twice as small as what it was last year. So it's bad. And with that regard, I mean, again, somewhat we are disproportionately affected. And obviously ATC issues affect operational performance, affect customer satisfaction, affect EC261 compensations, some of the crew issues like the aircraft left out of base, that triggers higher crew costs. So there are lots of consequential damage areas with that regard. And we took all these into account with the new forecast. And I think that concludes our presentation. So questions please.

yeah so good morning sir how are you guys from jp morgan um two questions if i can the first one just in terms of this timing mismatch on cost you know flying the expensive wet leases getting the engines back in maybe a bit quicker into the fleet is this a mismatch which is just going to continue until the wet leases completely exit the fleet so presumably until the end of q3 And then second one, you know, the close in bookings weakness. Obviously, the market has got a little bit softer. Airlines are dropping their fares. Do you think, you know, best guess this is a temporary issue and it may right size itself over the next one or two quarters, or maybe we're in for a bit more of a difficult pricing reset over the next two to three years? Thanks a lot.

Yeah, let me let me take David. So with regard to the batteries, detrimental impact. We are looking at phasing out wet lease operations completely at the end of October. So this is really covering capacity for summer, but end of October it's over now. We have some contractual issues. We will have to sort out with the leasing providers because the original plan was to operate five wet lease aircrafts throughout the entire financial year and three on top of that only for summer. So summer is easy. Contract expires and the aircraft goes. But the five aircraft we have the moment a legal obligation um or some kind of a legal commitment which we need to manage ourselves out of that so there might be some uh kind of uh dragging um issues uh but in terms of the operation of batley's aircraft that is not going to be one after the first of november so that's going to be out um but with regard to uh to the booking trends i think the issue what we are seeing is that The question is not only down to the airline sector. So you look at reports in the United States, in Europe, across consumer goods and service industries, it's a fairly clear trend. So all consumer affected businesses are pretty much reporting market softness. And I think this is the result of inflationary pressure really catching up with the consumer finally. So people are simply contained on their spending capacity. I mean, some people might have decided to kind of get loaned against that gap, but I think there is a limit to it. And that now feeds through the the demand side of the business in principle this should be good news to us because what we have experienced is that under distressed circumstances like this from a consumer angle actually low-cost airlines benefit from from the situation it might cost some yield but strategically we certainly benefit from that because this is the time really when Consumers migrate from high-cost carriers to low-cost carriers. So we are very keen on taking our fair share in the development and capture the marketplace. So I would say that strategically this is a good thing for Wizz Air, but it may come at a cost, obviously, in form of yield.

Nice. Alex Owen from Bernstein, two from me as well, please. Also on the fares, how does, are you able to share any color on the impact of Ryanair's pricing on your fares? Have they developed differently in markets where you overlap and where you do not overlap with Ryanair, either on a route or an airport basis? second on the fleet so you told us to expect about 260 to 270 planes at fy 2026 what does this imply for fy 27 you're 348 in the fleet plan if you then restore some of the gtf planes of service we're talking maybe about a hundred more active aircraft year over year which feels like quite significant growth how should we think about you're really planning for and to be expecting yeah um let me start with the uh the fleet fleet issue um

the issue we have uh here with regard to transparency is that we are not interested in taking actions ourselves to create credit because every airbus delay is subject to compensation so actually we are a lot better off uh you know with airbus coming to us saying that we are delaying the aircraft because then they will have to pay uh compensation so we have to run this kind of duality that there is a realistic scenario, which is not totally transparent. We kind of know what it is, but it is not totally transparent versus the contractual scenario, which is the economic interest of the business. I think what we are seeing, this 30 to 35 act of structural delay, that's going to flow through. I mean, we are not seeing anything that would suggest that all of a sudden Airbus found the magic to get back on track. I think this is an issue that will be prolonged three years, four years, five years, maybe 10 years, I don't know. But it's a long-term issue. So I would almost say that the 30-35 known today is just going to flow through every year in front of us and it's not going to stop at the end of fiscal 27. Even based on the news what we are getting, actually it has a scope to become even 40-50, whatever. So there might be more delays to come. So I don't think I would worry at all about kind of a hype of capacity coming to this. It just kind of smooths itself out. So basically what it means is that today we have an order stream in place. We deliver this until 2028. 2028 will become 2029 or 2030. And with regard to the Ryanair issue on fares, so what we are seeing is that Ryanair tends to drop fares in a big way in the last period of the booking curve, two weeks prior to departure kind of time. And this is a fairly unprecedented action. And of course, while we are overlapping, that affects us, that affects our ability to uh to price uh but having said all of that I think we are more diversified than just competing with Ryanair everywhere so we have our unique uh markets and we are also probably better diversified in terms of geographical footprint uh having more robust interest in in in Central East Europe you know what we see is that Western Europe is more saturated with uh with that regard and also we have sparkling demand in uh India in in the Middle East um so I would say that you know some to to some extent we are definitely affected by Ryanair uh Ryanair's pricing practices but in a way we also have you our own unique uh approach to the uh to to to the market and that's why basically what the guidance reflects is is a moderation of the offside uh on the on the yield environment we assume more to come throughout the financial year, but seeing what is happening to our competitors, we moderated that expectation. And that's what flows through the number three.

Thanks. First one is a bit of a follow up on that, just in terms of Ryanair dropping fares in the last two weeks. Do you see at all them doing that more aggressively on the routes that they're overlapping with you, or you think that's more a broad based action across their whole network? The second question is on the sale and lease back gains that we're seeing at the moment. I'm just wondering how much of this, if any, is you basically pulling forward gains that perhaps might have been done two years out, i.e. if you're getting an engine in now, do the sale and lease back? Should we expect basically lower gains over the next kind of two to three years? And a final question, if I may. Obviously, a bit more cost pressure in this quarter than I think you were anticipating beforehand. The wet leases look like there'll be still a bit of a drag in Q2 and Q3. As a result, I'm just wondering why maintain the guidance? Is there not a bit of a risk that it's a bit higher than previously expected? Thanks.

let me take right now and please stay here everyone so uh i i don't say i don't think there is a significant difference um between uh overlapping capacity and non-competing capacity uh when it comes to the ns pricing uh they must have but i mean you need to talk to those guys uh they must have issues across the board so maybe they are growing too much relative to the size and the demand environment uh but they are trying to tackle so uh but we are not necessarily seeing specific combative actions, I think they have a broader issue.

Okay, and on the sale-leaseback gains, we talked about this at Q4 too, where we had a large activity of engine sale-leaseback gains. The purpose of doing that was to invest into the future of our fleet, right? The engines that we buy today and that we use today will be available for the aircraft today and the aircraft 10 years from now. So it's important for us to focus on the resilience We had an opportunity to bring forward deliveries of engines as part of what we were able to source on the market, as well as from our negotiating power with Pratt. And we took that opportunity because we felt that it was giving us the opportunity to keep more aircraft in the sky. The financing structure that we apply predominantly is the sale leaseback. That comes with a gain. If it means we get it sooner, then so be it. But it's not the reason why we're doing it. We're doing it to make sure that we have a resilient operation and that we have engines to operate our fleet. Q4 was heavily weighted towards engines. Q1 had a certain amount of engines. That profile will now drop off. The engines that we've been able to source, we sourced. And while, of course, we'll look at opportunities to bring in more engines, we have a lot of engines right now in our portfolio. And we need to see how the overall unwinding of the situation develops versus continuing to deploy capital into engines. So, yes, it's a nice feature that there are gains, but that's not the reason why we're doing it. We're doing it to invest both in the near term and in the long term success of the business. In terms of cost pressure and why maintaining the guidance, I would say that the guidance bring down was adjusted to some extent to the revenue that Joseph mentioned, but also from these wet lease costs. The wet lease costs 40 million in the first quarter. I would say that the 500 to 600 from last quarter could have been brought to 400 to 500 just with wet lease costs alone. And then you see some other stuff bringing it down to 350 to 450. Why maintain guidance? Because probably ex-fuel cask high single digit was on the low end of the high single digit range, and now you can think that it's going to be on the higher end of the high single digit range. But at the end of the day, as we've evidenced last year in Q4, we do have the ability to intervene and and and do things to bring cost down and we uh have eight months left to go in the year and we want to make sure that we maintain that cost discipline because ultimately that gives us the ability to compete in the revenue environment regardless of what happens with revenue and so we are in the business of cost and that's why we're in the business of setting that guidance that way

Yes, Rory Cullinane from RBC. Just a follow up on that question. Clearly in Q4, you'll face a much tougher prior year comp for Kars, given the timing of the gains and the compensation. Does that mean we should expect quite modest Kars increases in Q2 and Q3? And then secondly, you know, you have some uncertainty about when engines will return going forward. How can you sort of manage that and prevent some of the issues we've seen this quarter?

Well, I mean, with regard to engines, I think we are in a better place going into the kind of post-summer period. I mean, summer is very tricky from an airline standpoint because this is the time to make pretty much all the profit. of the year, and this is the time when you are most vulnerable to failures from a consumer standpoint. This is the time when people travel for very specific purposes. I think if we are seeing any variation to the assumptions on our engines, simply we will adjust capacity. If we are getting more engines back, then we will increased capacity if we are losing more engines than assumed at the moment. We are simply just going to cut capacity, but we are not going to default on on batteries or anything like that. I think batteries needs to be very specifically against the summer issue uh and summer is the time when you don't want to hand the markets over to your competitors and you don't want to screw all those uh customers who have already made the bookings uh so you have to protect that period and and i mean you can call it the way you want we call it strategic defense and be seeing that is a very strong rational to uh to do that but the same logic does not necessarily apply going into the op period in the interview period i think i think your ability to move capacity around according to the issues. What you try to manage is a lot greater in that period, and this is what we are going to do.

Yeah, Rory, you're right. On the Q4 comp, it's going to be a very challenging one considering the XFL CAS delivery that we did in Q4 F24. We're not breaking it down by quarter. We're setting the guidance for the year at high single-digit XFL CAS. There are a number of initiatives underway that give us confidence that we'll deliver that, but I'm not commenting exactly on what we're going to do in which quarter. You know, we were 8.2% with the wet lease costs. Those wet lease costs will fall away in Q3. We won't have them in Q4. That'll help. But that's the number that we're signing up to, and that's the number we're planning on delivering.

I was interested to note that routes served was down 5%. I think when we last heard from you, the plan was to reduce frequencies rather than necessarily routes. And I think you talked about protecting markets. Maybe just let me know what I'm missing there or whether those routes may not come back in again. The second one on Philia 26, I think you've talked about 20% growth. Obviously, you've got Airbus delays. Is that still the right number? And given the Airbus delays, is Wizz 500 dead? And the third one, just for clarification, Jan, you said last time that the 500 to 600 might have gone to Ford 500 just with wet leases. Did you not know you were doing any wet leases when we last heard from you? Thanks.

Okay, so with regard to the routes, simply dominantly we are using frequency management, capacity management as a primary vehicle to address the overall issues what we are trying to manage here. But that doesn't mean that we would be not churning routes for financial purposes. I think you should take it as a good news. Well, historically, we used to get credit from you for doing that, that we are very disciplined. And if something doesn't work, actually, you praise the financial discipline what we apply. So please keep doing it. I mean, I think churning routes is a good news because we are not... kind of rationalizing um structure loss making activities uh you know on the basis of any kind of other considerations than profitability so simply we look at roads and and we look at the financial merit uh of the uh of the decision making and and and and we all have to recognize that you know profiles and assumptions may change considerably uh so if i take the united kingdom uh one of the the huge profound changes arising from brexit is that basically that created a totally different profile of migration uh to the uh to the country and and and we have to adjust for that uh we have to adjust for that because simply your traveling public is changing uh and certain flows uh might not work out the same uh the same way Of course, when you look at the Israeli situation, you know, what we are seeing, for example, is that the Israelis are back into that travel pattern. So for the Israeli, what is happening in Israel at the moment is pretty much business as usual. But it is not so much for the leisure travelers who would have been visited Israel. So I think those people are still uncertain about the security situation there and they would not be prepared to take the risk. So you have to take all these issues into account and take action. So churning is based on financial performance, based on profitability, and I think it is a good thing.

Okay. In terms of F26, James, yeah. So we had said previously 20% growth with a risk of coming in maybe 15 to 20. That's still consistent for F26 and manageable. I wouldn't say WIS 500 is dead. We've got 317 aircraft yet to be delivered on order. We're in engine negotiations with Pratt and CFM. That ties into the overall compensation conversation. And so under no circumstances is WIS 500 dead. In terms of the wet lease timing and when that... Sorry, just on the WIS 500.

I see what is happening to WIS 500 is that 2030 is going to become 2032. because the delivery program is shifting due to Airbus' delay. I think we also have to be mindful of the issues about the Pratt & Whitney engine grounding scores to the business. You cannot just jump 40% one year in terms of capacity deployment and growth and trying to tackle consumer demand or stimulate demand for that. So there is going to be some moderation versus the original plan, but it's probably a shift of two years.

So in terms of the wet lease timing, it was happening while we were discussing the Q4 results in terms of the analysis and the negotiation. We made certain assumptions in terms of the incremental compensation that would be generated by the fact that our We had this profile of 55 aircraft grounded versus something sub-50. We also made some assumptions as to what would happen with regards to capacity constraints and the revenue benefit that would come from that. Those assumptions turned out to be wrong. And at the end of the day, the wet lease program ended up simply just delivering cost with very few, if any, benefits. And so that's why we emphasize the one-off nature of these and the non-structural nature of these.

Hi, it's Andrew Lopp from Barclays. This is going to be a daft question, I know. You're talking about having 56 spare engines for the summer. You're short of aeroplanes. Why do you not take some of those spare engines and hang them on a plane and fly? I mean, how do you decide what the right number of spare engines to have, you know, sitting in a warehouse? Because otherwise some nasty cynical people might think that you're getting a lot of spare engines in, sale and lease backing them and getting the gains from those sale and lease backs. In terms of the wet lease, you talk about having five aircraft contracted through the end of the year but you want to get rid of the winter. But if I'm a wet lease operator you know there's super strong demand for the summer there's not strong demand for the winter why am i going to let you off that that contract how are you not going to end up having to pay for them all um i see in the context of what leverage might you have and then third question would be on the trading of with abu dhabi i see there's quite a large uh negative uh line in the minorities which would seem to suggest that with abu dhabi is doing uh very badly given the size of it and obviously given geopolitics that's not necessarily astonishing but uh how does always abu dhabi go through these uh tricky geopolitical times all right so let's start with the uh with the spare engines well i mean we don't have one single spare engine on the uh on the ground i mean all spare engines are being used for

backing up the operation so effectively so if you take i don't know let's say 46 aircraft on the ground so that implies 92 engines uh we have 56 spare engines so this is 148 spare engines those 148 spare engines in total are in the queue to get inspected or in the shop for being inspected so we don't have a single one spared I mean, we call it a spare engine, but they are not spares. They are all used for supporting the operation. So not one spare engine on the ground. Then the next question is at least I think the leverage that we have here is that we have such a relationship with these operators. So we can we can we can leverage that with regard to to visit Abu Dhabi. We are moderating growth. I mean, essentially, we stopped deploying aircraft in Abu Dhabi to make sure that we don't put pressure on the business and let just maturity go through and improve, as a result, the financial performance of the business. So we still think that the The merits of the investment in Abu Dhabi are intact, but we just need to make sure that we not just manage growth, but we also manage financial performance. And by moderating growth, essentially stopping a fleet growth will significantly affect the move on the financial metrics.

It's Conroy Gaynor here from Bloomberg Intelligence. So just looking at your RASC guidance, it seems that you're, for 2H, if we make some reasonable assumptions about the current quarter, it seems you may still be leaving high single digit on the table. I know visibility is low for 2H, but perhaps is that a period where you'd still expect significant outperformance versus peers because you had perhaps left some on the table in previous years? And then the second one, Jan, I believe you mentioned earlier there's a lag between when you stop receiving the Pratt & Whitney compensation and then when the aircraft actually comes back into service. Are you able to quantify that lag and is there much variation on a case-by-case basis?

I think on the ROSC issue, maybe the best way to think about it is a few things. One is when you look at what we have done relative to our competitors, not just taking the snapshot of today, but kind of looking at it over the years, we have been pushing Rusk a lot less than our competitors. So we didn't put the business through such an inflationary way as most of our competitors. So that's one differentiating factor. The second differentiating factor is that there is a lot more maturity, but we are able to gain from the post-COVID investments. You remember, we jumped up coming out of COVID 60%. There is a maturity curve, three years, four years, whatever it is. So we will continue to benefit from that maturity. The third element is, and this is a short-term view, that if you look at our competitors, they grow like 10% capacity and we are growing no capacity. I mean, that gives us a short-term advantage. So we think we ought to outperform uh competitors on the base of these three uh factors but we moderated our expectations with uh we were we were modeling more uh to get out of the uh the revenue environment and uh actually what we're seeing uh now uh the realities are seeing how the market is uh is is reacting and again this is not specific to ryanair or not even to the airline business i would say that we are seeing a a trend across consumer goods and services that essentially there is a ceiling to how much you can price against consumer demand.

And in terms of the un-parking exercise, the issue really comes when you get these quick-turn engines, which we aren't able to immediately identify and alerts us and then accelerates the process. We haven't accelerated the turnaround time for, say, standard engines. It's still roughly 300 days is what we're working towards. And with that, that gives us time to plan. It gives us time to figure out where that aircraft is going to go back into service, what the crew situation looks like, allows us to train up for the crews and things like that. So we can minimize the impact, this lag between the aircraft arriving and the compensation ceasing and the aircraft getting back into service. The issue was specifically in the learnings with regards to the first wave that also happened to be the quick turn wave which which put further pressure on the overall process so we're working on managing that and that's something that's part of the overall discussion with Pratt so how to optimize that when we negotiated the deal back in November most of us were thinking about how do we park and where do we park and what do we do about parking now we're now we have the ability to take all the learnings that we've accumulated thus far including how we deal with this lag and apply that towards the next round of negotiations

Morning, it's Jamie Robotham from Deutsche Bank. A couple of boring financial ones. Obviously on slide five, very helpful to see the net other broken out. The 91 million of supplier compensation. Any reason not to think about that as a sensible run rate for the next two quarters? um secondly slide six helpful to see quarterly free cash flow um could you just clarify your free cash flow definition if i tot up fiscal 24 i get about 1.2 billion i think it must be unlevered or pre-leases or something because it looks quite high um and finally on top of the atc issues were you materially affected by the it outage the crowd strike situation earlier this month thanks

Okay, so the $91 million in terms of compensation is a mixed basket. It includes Pratt & Whitney as well as other suppliers, Airbus is in there, as well as other tier one suppliers that cause contractual issues with regards to us effectively accessing our assets. So, I would not say that it's 91 times 4. I would scale that down somewhere between 250 to 300 level for this year. On the definition of free cash flow, we have it in our alternative performance measures definition. It's the same one that we've used. It is a one that's been agreed with our auditors. I don't have it in this RNS, but I can point it to you later on unless, Mark, you have that, but it is a specific free cash flow one that has been aligned with IFRS, and it's certainly in the annual report if you want to look at it for the free cash flow. And then in terms of the IT outage, CrowdStrike, so Wiz was not directly impacted by CrowdStrike. We don't use that vendor, so it didn't have a direct impact on us, but Indirectly, we were impacted through our bookings provider, which was the same provider as many airlines and certainly low-cost airlines use. We had a certain amount of direct compensation or welfare costs that we had to incur. I would say that's in the low millions in that category. And in terms of revenue loss, we obviously lost about 12 hours worth of revenue sales. We caught up with more than half of that over the weekend. There were some other impacts, but I would say that it would be in net somewhere around, say, 10 to 15 million of total impact. We are obviously looking at ways to remedy that and to claw that back from our vendors. And in terms of EC261 impact, so Friday we know was completely, so compensation related, we were protected. Most of Saturday was protected. And then Sunday started to see EC261 costs come back as what happened over the weekend was a combination of weather and air traffic control then got overloaded. And that then meant that we were having to shoulder the burden there. Thanks.

Good morning. Dudley Shanley from GoodBuddy. Just one question, which is on costs. If we think about costs over the next few years, the wet leases will obviously wash out. But I think you mentioned kind of ceiling to what customers are willing to pay. Is there more you can do on costs over the next few years to protect yourself?

Yeah. So I think what we are we are having on hand here um is is a few categories so one is the one ops that's that leaves that's going to be over so i think if you kind of model out the business over the next i don't know two three five years but whatever whatever it is uh that's not a factor uh into it i mean that was a decision made at a certain time assuming certain issues and strategic considerations as well as technical considerations, but it's not an issue for the long run. Even I would say that many of the cost issues that we are saying are temporary in nature. So if you think about this, in order to protect capacity, it was not only the Vetley's line, but also it was the extension of existing aircraft. And mainly that extension implied the extension of A320 CO aircraft. almost 20% more fuel burn, 180 seats versus the new much improved fuel burn and 239 seats. But that line is also temporary because we created kind of a two to three year capacity bridge. So if you really look at capacity structurally over the longer run beyond, let's say, two years or three years, that will wash itself as well. But this issue will stay with us in the form of somewhat older fleet than originally intended and somewhat lower gauge than originally intended with all the cost impact, unit cost on cost. So then you have crew costs, and crew cost carries some level of unproductivity as we speak, because we have to wind down capacity and we have to ramp capacity back up once we start receiving the engines back and we continue to take new aircraft deliveries. I think the crew cost is probably a one year issue, maybe an 18 months, two year issue at max, but it will moderate itself. So once we are gaining productivity, predictability and transparency, then we can a lot better manage and set ourselves for for recruitments and retentions and all those issues. Where we think we should do better, and it has not much to do with the current issues, is better aligning network decisions with airport costs. This is where we have been going a little loose, because one part of the organization was chasing revenue? How do you get ROSCAN revenue easier? Do you go to a high cost environment where demand is prepared to pay more? So London Heathrow is going to pay you more than London Luton. But there's a huge difference on the cost side as well. So I think we should be more disciplined with this regard. And we are taking actions to make sure that this is happening. But I would say that most of the cost issues that we are seeing actually are either one-off or temporary in nature. But temporary means one year, two years, or even three years to some extent. So airport network decision alignment is one area, but what we control and we should improve and we should do better. I think the other area where we can do better is now we are regaining all the fundamental KPIs for operational efficiency in terms of utilization. I think utilization is by far the most important one because this is your ability to spread fixed cost in the system. But also I think we are much improving the quality of operations in terms of cancellation rate being one of the lowest in the industry and improving on-time performance. We still think we have design issues to address. that effectively creates more efficiency and more resilience for operations. So if I want to put it very simple, today, when we break down, we are resilient now because we have the resources, we have the crew, we have the aircraft, we have everything, but resilience is costing us a lot of money. And we think there is a smarter way of designing the airline, the operating model, to make sure that we are resilient but not at the same cost what we are paying today. So I would say the priorities are the two major improvement areas. Of course, we will continue to chase revenue to an extent we can, and we apply all sorts of AI vehicles, et cetera, to make sure that we learn the market and we adopt those learnings as quickly as possible. But these are the areas which I think are within our control. So really look at it like three buckets if you wish. One-offs, they will go away very quickly. temporary one to three years and kind of what we can really own and control. And these are the three buckets that we are focused on.

We'll now go to the online questions.

And we'll go to Othmane Brisha at Bank of America. Would you like to unmute yourself? Osman, would you like to unmute yourself? Okay, so we'll go to... Hello, can you hear me now?

Yes, we can, thank you. Yeah, first question is about the closing bookings besides the competitor behaviour. Would you want to highlight any specific country in East or West Europe where you see more softness? on Rask. And second question is on Italy. Do you have any interest on ETA slots? And how do you see the competitive landscape in Italy changing? Thank you.

Okay, but it is very straightforward. We have been following all this integration process, the merger process with some interest. We're seeing that the slot remedies at Linata are insufficient. And it doesn't really create competition in the marketplace. It doesn't really create operational efficiency. So we are not interested. So we are not going to pursue anything in Italy. With that regard, we will continue to grow the business organically. We think we have sufficiently open capacity available to us at Malta, Rome, Fiumicino and the regional airport. So we are on that strategy. So we are not going to... to do much initially with regard to the data remedies. In terms of bookings beyond what we are seeing, we don't really detect anything in particular market by market.

Thank you very much. And one more for fiscal 26. How should we think about normalized cask?

Well, certainly no, but at least I think you should start seeing some improvements in terms of gauge, in terms of fleet age as we are gaining the engines. So I think that would be for the benefit of the business. um little improvements on crew um but still we would be in the face of ramping back up so it wouldn't uh be the full productivity coming through that uh that line uh certainly we would be better aligned between network decisions and airport costs uh to make sure that uh network decisions actually drive airport costs down and not uh and and not up so i would say it would be a significantly improved versus the current financial year, but it wouldn't be the best what you can imagine.

Thank you.

And we'll go to Satish Sivakumar from Citi. Satish, do you want to unmute yourself?

Yes, yeah, thank you. I got two questions here. So on the disruption cost, could you help us understand like what was the level of disruption cost last year? And also in Q1, because if I look at the year-to-date or even quarter-to-date trends, except for the last week or so, the overall trends have been better than last year across the industry, as well as even for Wizz Air. So any color on why do you think it would be a big impact this year as things actually got better versus last year? And then in terms of ancillary performance, have you seen any pullback from consumers on ancillary products? Is there any specifically any product-wise that is impacting? And also any color on, say, VISA UK versus VISA Central and Eastern Europe in terms of the ancillary performance would be helpful. Thank you.

Hey, Satish. So in terms of disruption costs, I think it's fair to say that Q1 F24 was strongly disappointing. coming out of the previous summer where we had the worst performance and then the commitment to make a lot of investments to improve that. Q1 did not deliver. So you're seeing a disproportionately high Q1 F24 versus Q1 F25. Q1 F25, as you can see from the operational metrics, was good. And so you'd expect there to be lower disruption. I think there'll be some pressure in Q2. around disruption as we talk about all the challenges, weather, ATC, that have been facing many of us, including, of course, this cloud strike disruption. So I think Q1 was a strong quarter for disruption, Q1 F25, and certainly versus F24. Q2, we'll see some of that strength weekend. but we're still targeting and delivering on our operational KPIs so that we'll be able to keep that cost line under control. In terms of ancillary performance pullback, Well, we do tend to reflect on the relationship between ticket and ancillary. And there is an element of cannibalization that happens if you try to price ancillary too high. And so we are aware of that and manage that. We're not seeing necessarily pullback in any one particular product. We're consistently coming up with new concepts and putting them through business cases and into practice. But we don't comment on particular markets, whether it's UK versus our Hungarian operation or our Malta operation. So we wouldn't be able to give you any insight as to how that's looking, one market versus the other.

Thank you. Just going back to the disruption cost. So Q2 disruption cost would be higher than last year. Is that what you kind of expect as things stand today?

Well, we have one month of reported figures in the bank, and it's too early to say, Satish.

Okay. Yeah, thanks, Ian. Thank you.

And we'll go to Neil Glynn at Air Control Tower. Neil, hopefully you can unmute yourself. I'm going to read out his question. I was hoping that he'd be able to ask it himself. Oh, Neil, go ahead.

Oh, hi there. Thank you very much. Just a question on your growth plans. As growth again comes into sight in FY26, Following on from what does seem like a particularly weak Wizz Air Abu Dhabi performance, can you give us some sense as to your appetite to establish bases further afield while the core business is suffering such disruption? And also, if you could provide any colour on your thinking on the need for a proof of concept at Wizz Air Abu Dhabi before you do go bigger outside of Europe eventually. Thanks.

Yeah, so I think with regard to growth, you should continue to see Bizair as an airline focused on Central and Eastern Europe. And this is what we have been saying consistently. We think Central and Eastern Europe for Bizair is bread and butter and will continue to be bread and butter. So when it comes to growth, I mean, this is our primary market to look at for growth. We also said that we would be kind of opening windows towards the west and towards the east. Towards the west, it's a very select market investment. So this is down to really three markets. As we speak, UK through with UK, Italy and Austria through with Malta. And we have no plans to to push the footprint beyond this we want to make sure that we follow through these investments they they all three are doing fine um you know strategically financially etc so we just want to make sure that we stay relevant to the market and we take all the opportunities arising to uh uh arising in the market for the benefit of the business of course in a financially responsible way then you look at uh go east uh and this is what we said that this is discretionary This is subject to the regulatory framework, geopolitics, etc. Now we are seeing that the Abu Dhabi circumstances are somewhat weaker than than before we've seen that is still significant consumer demand but at the same time geopolitics have been also making an impact on the on the marketplace but our way of kind of managing that history is through capacity planning so now we are not really moving capacity into Abu Dhabi, waiting for maturity to happen. And once financial performance stabilizes, then we're going to be going again. And this is very classic, I would say, of Wiesel. So you see very strong financial performance. You follow that through with growth and capacity. You see some weakness in financial performance. You hold the lines until financials improve and you go again. And this is exactly what we are doing as we speak.

And we'll now go to Vladimir Skirapat from Tricon. Would you like to unmute yourself? Go ahead. We can't hear you. Do you want to unmute yourself or otherwise? Great. Yes, we can.

Yes. Hi. Two for me, please. First, on your risk dynamic by month in 2Q25, if you could share, please. So we have July behind us. And what do you see in the current bookings for August and September? Second, on FY26 growth, where do you plan to deploy the capacity you will be adding to the market? Will it be mostly the existing roads or new roads? And why? Thanks.

Okay, let me take the second one. First, with regard to growth, as I said, in terms of market focus, it's going to be Central and Eastern Europe. And in terms of way of growing capacity. I think a lot of it will be through capacity increase. So we are just going to be adding frequencies. There is always scope for joining the dots, opening new routes across existing airport portfolio. And we want to stay innovative and pioneering by also bringing new markets to the franchise. But overwhelmingly, this is going to be sent to Eastern Europe and it's going to be frequency increases.

Okay. And then in terms of the second quarter, I gave you earlier the current loads that are booked for August, September, October. So you had that from earlier. And then in terms of RASC, I would say that July will end up being flattish. August is up in line with guidance and September is up as well and still building.

Thanks.

And we'll go to Alex Patterson at Peel Hunt. Do you want to unmute yourself, Alex? Go ahead.

Yeah, morning, everybody. Hi, Anne. Is it possible that you could just repeat what those forward booking levels were? Because I didn't get them. And also, just a comment. on the level of demand by sort of segment. So obviously the migratory patterns have changed a bit. Are your BFR volumes, you know, how are they relative to where they were, business volumes, that kind of thing? Is there any sort of material difference, any area particularly lagging where you'd expect it to be? Thank you.

Yeah. So August, September, October, respectively, 74%, 38%, 18%. That's a snapshot as of last few days. In terms of our level of demand by segment, I mean, we used to be very little in terms of leisure, almost no business, mostly VFR. We've given you the breakdown before. We are seeing more leisure, certainly as markets in our Central and Eastern Europe um look to to uh to to to travel further west um and south uh so a lot of flows uh between you know eastern europe and um and and and spain for example and italy to and from eastern europe as well uh but um but nothing that's causing any concerns of anything, I would say that it's probably giving us more confidence that the propensity to travel is increasing. And that's why, as Joseph said, we continue to focus on our bread and butter maybe the export of labor is becoming less of an issue and more the export or more the penetration of travel is becoming simply the more new normal in those markets. And so that's why, you know, I would say the Saudi push and other AOC pushes are less immediate while we have opportunities in our home turf that we can pursue. Thank you.

And we'll take the last question from Stephen Furlong at Davey. Stephen, do you want to unmute yourself? Or type star six.

Stephen I think that we'll have to come back to you separately we'll go to we will take one final question from oh Stephen go ahead okay yeah sorry um yeah um I mean it just kind of cut it another way in terms of a question I think Neil asked um before when you talked about WIS 500 um and obviously I know it's delayed maybe two years because of the aircraft delays but You're kind of conceptually, Joseph, it was like maybe half of it was central and Eastern Europe, 125 aircraft go west, 125 go east. Is that how you still think of it or is it kind of moved around in terms of the boxes? And just the second question, I just want to ask just generally more wider question about the supply chain and issues dealing with the suppliers because it's kind of like it's their issues personally But they're actually almost, if you look at the value creation of some of those companies, they're actually almost doing well out of it at the expense of their customers, if you get me. So just your general thoughts about that as you talk to and renegotiate things. Thank you.

So with regard to this 500, yes, there might be a timing implication, but I don't think structurally we have lost any merits with that regard. So we feel that now the model is increasingly coming back to where it needs to be and execution has been improving. Now, of course, I mean, just look at life from our perspective. I mean, I don't think you have seen anyone in Europe dealing with the level of issues arising from the war in Ukraine, the level of issues coming out of the Middle East and the impact of the Brett and Whitney situation. Everyone has been having some kind of supply chain issues, some sorts of geopolitics, maybe not the direct impact, but the indirect impact of creeping cost, etc., but we have been disproportionately affected and we have reinstated the model, still somewhat tainted, but clearly I think we understand where the issues are and what we need to do to address those issues. So we feel very comfortable in the spirit of WIS 500 and our ability to deliver WIS 500. Now, with regard to the very specifics of how we're going to be delivering it across regions, I mean, when we said 250, 125, 125, That has always been meant to be indicative, but don't take it like a Bible. I mean, this is not a Bible. I think what it really tries to say is that, you know, focus will remain on Central and Eastern Europe with some developments in Western Europe and going East. But whether the 125 go East is going to be 125 or 75, I don't know. I mean, this is a long way to go. A lot of these issues are discretionary. Things can change and we shall see. But the commitment that we have is is to deliver shareholder value. And shareholder value may be delivered through profitability and growth. And this is our commitment. We will keep updating our own views based on the evolving realities. So certainly, we believe that our core focus on central Israel, we remain unchanged. There is no indication why we should be divert away from that view. But whether the splits, the numbers will come out exactly the same as these numbers, I don't know. I mean, we will continue to update ourselves and educate ourselves and we're going to be learning from the markets. With regard to supply chain, I think the supply chain has become a big deal for this industry for a number of reasons. First, I think that the duopoly game in many of the areas has kind of reached its limit, especially vis-a-vis the regulator. The regulator is taking a different stance, is applying more scrutiny. So this kind of a cosy duopolistic relationship is over. I mean, you certainly see that in the Boeing case, but I would even think that this has a lot bigger implications that will slow down innovation technological development but simply because uh if a regulatory process took three years in the past maybe it will take 10 years in the uh in the future just because of the enhanced scrutiny uh in the in the system i also think that uh to some extent this is uh in response to cutting corners in developing technologies. I mean, you see the Pratt and Wheaton issue, but I would say some of the Boeing issues, this is coming from the times 10 years ago when the two OEMs were competing on Max versus Neo and they were very quick to market corners were caught here and there. And that technology prematurely is now hitting the market. I mean, I would say that if I look at the Platt and Whitney matters, I mean, most of these issues should have been avoided, could have been avoided should that have been more scrutiny applied and kind of a slower process, more testing, et cetera. So I don't think that the supply chain issues are hiccups. I think they are a lot more a changing phenomenon that is going to affect us. So if I go back to the Airbus issues, whether the delays of aircraft deliveries are just hiccups, no, I don't think so. I think this is really shifting things structurally and we should be expecting with that regard new environment less innovation less technological developments more push and scrutiny on execution um and i think that will slow things so getting access to new aircraft for example is going to be mission impossible if you don't have an aircraft order on hand you are not going to have an aircraft order on hand in the foreseeable future and us in the next window being open is like 2030 but this is like six or seven years down the line so we think that actually we have a huge strategic advantage of having 300 aircraft on order uh that will differentiate us versus the rest of the industry and we've run out of time so back to you in the room Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for coming. Thank you for listening and being active with your questions. Have a good day. Thank you.