5/7/2025

speaker
Tom [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

as well. So, absolutely, I think you should be thinking about two main factors, you know, new patient starts and active patients, because it's going to be the active patients that we believe that we can continue to grow over time that are really going to be meaningful for the ongoing revenue uptick for this brand into the long term.

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Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Thanks. Do you want to touch on oppositioning versus the new Salina product? Sure.

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Liz [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

I'll start out with the fact that, I mean, we're delighted for the PWS community to see that there is now a first therapy available for them. That said, I think we see this as an area of significant high unmet need and complex patients who are dealing with a number of different challenges. It's the kind of space where we think that it's likely that there is going to be absolutely room for multiple agents that are used with different MOAs, with different benefit-risk profiles that physicians can use according to the patient that's in front of them. I don't know if there's anything you want to add here, Tom?

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Tom [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Well, the only thing I would add is we know that the Prada Willie population, you know, they have very complex and distinct needs, and we actually believe that there's going to be an opportunity for more than one product to play here. And I think with therapeutic areas like this, you know, the notion of combination therapy could also be something that plays out into the future as well. So, you know, a pretty substantial patient population here in the US, plenty of opportunity for more than one player to play, and we will be ready to launch the day to be positive.

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Liz [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Yeah, and we do spend a lot of time, of course, talking to caregivers, advocacy organizations, and we hear pretty robustly that, again, they are delighted that there is something available for their family members now, and they absolutely think that there needs to be continued therapies and the ability to treat an individual patient for their individual circumstances.

speaker
David [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Thanks, guys. Hopefully that answers the question, David. Yes, thank you.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sean Lehman with Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.

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Katherine
Investor Relations Representative (acting for Sean, Morgan Stanley)

Hi. Good afternoon. This is Katherine on for Sean. Thank you so much for taking our question. Just one from us on your earlier pipeline. For ACP 711, you announced the successful completion of the Phase 1 MAD cohorts earlier this year. We're just curious if you can provide any color in what you observed here, and if you have an update on the status of that study. Thank you.

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Liz [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Yes. Yeah, so I think what I'd share there is, you know, consistent with what we put out at the time. We were pleased with the safety and tolerability profile we were seeing in that study. There are some interesting pieces on the biomarker side that we'll be sharing at R&D Day, so please feel free to come in and look for that. Status-wise, we're continuing forward with additional explorations that we think are necessary to get us lined up for the Phase 2 that we're planning to start in 2026. So continue good progress there.

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David [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Thanks, Katherine.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tazeen Ahmad with B of A Securities. Your line is now open.

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Tazeen Ahmad
Analyst, BofA Securities

Hi. Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. For tracenotide in EU, can you maybe, Katherine, give us a sense on in what ways the launch could be different from the trajectory that Debut has seen in the US? I know you bring a lot of experience from launching products outside of the US. What kind of, you know, I guess, attention to specifics should we be paying as we think about how to model out European launches for your drugs and how we think about Debut in general?

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Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Yeah, thanks, Tazeen. So let me start with the European overall population being larger than the US. So we are, but that is sort of in line with country size. So there's no specific country that has more or less patients. So as you know, Germany being the largest country in the EU, we will launch first into Germany. As you know, there's a period of free pricing, and then after that, we start to negotiate with AMNOG. And then beyond that, we'll look at each of the countries and start those negotiations with the national payers. Yes, both Tom and I have our experience at launching in Europe. We also have now put in place a really great team who have a lot of rare experience in Europe, and we're building up our dossiers, we're building up our value story, and we're ready to start those discussions with the authorities as soon as we get that regulatory approval. I think to your point about learning from the US launch, you know, as with all global launches, the launch country, which generally tends to be the US, is the one where we can learn a lot. And I think we have learned about the importance of working with families and the importance of making sure that we really are sharing the titration strategies that have been put in place here. So there's a lot of work going on right now with the KOL communities, with the advocacy groups. You know, we had a big bolus of patients in the US that came out the gate pretty strong. We're also getting a lot of inquiries from patients in the European Union, and that's why we put in place our name patient program and managed access program for those physicians that want to access triphenotide in the countries where it is legally allowed. Those processes will be in place. We don't expect sort of the same sort of massive bolus of patient dynamic, but each country is going to be slightly different depending on how many of their patients are on those managed access programs. So we feel very confident that we understand what we're doing. We understand how to get our product into the markets. And we're also investing appropriately. We're not investing all over the place. We're being very strategic about where we build our teams, about where we put our people, and we will take into account any future administration directives that affect that too. So, you know, we're very conscious about it, but also very excited and mostly excited by the advocacy groups who are very, very interested in accessing triphenotide for the

speaker
David [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

South one. So thanks, Tazine, for the question.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Gregory Renza with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

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Anishanth
Analyst, RBC Capital Markets (on behalf of Greg)

Hi, Catherine and team, it's Anishanth for Greg. Congrats on the progress this quarter and thanks for taking our questions. Firstly, as a follow on to David's previous question, what unique aspects of your commercial engine or priorities within the target market do you believe you'll be able to leverage to rise above competitors in the PWS market with both with respect to Salino and other therapies in development? And secondly, obviously, there's a lot of concern across the sector on macro and policy exposure for companies. I know you commented on inventory already, but maybe if you could just share some thoughts around where debut new plazard might be impacted along their respective supply chains and how you're navigating that. Thanks so much.

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Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Great. Thanks, Anisha. Quite a few different subsets of questions there. So let me start by just giving you an overview of my thoughts around the commercial engine. I'll ask Tom to add and then we'll throw it to Mark to talk about supply chain and tariffs. So just in terms of commercial engine, you know, we have a very strong team now, both in NeuroPsych and in Rare, who understand the subtleties of launching within a rare space. And we've learned a lot through the debut launch. So we feel very well prepared as a company to work within the Prado Willie community. We have strong associations with them already. We have our teams out there right now. And as Liz has already outlined, we feel very strongly that the community is asking for as many options as possible for their patients. These are complicated, complex patients. And we'll see over time the need, I believe, for more than one therapy option for sure. So we feel very confident in our ability to go out there and compete, but also offer patients choices, which we believe are very important. Tom, is there anything you'd bring from that, your previous experience in Rare? Yeah,

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Tom [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

I mean, I would say that clearly we have already launched a rare product in very recent history, the debut. I think we've learned a great deal as we've gone through that launch. And as Catherine mentioned, I think both Catherine and I have had the privilege of launching products in other rare spaces. And I think being able to continue to kind of build that muscle, make sure that we're pulling through the experiences that we have and really making sure that as the 101 data reads out, that we're able to leverage the product profile in an appropriate way as quickly as possible, taking all of the learnings that we already have, but also thinking about some of the kind of unique aspects that we bring as Acadia, you know, with a true kind of focus on the patient and on patient advocacy. I think we will have a significant leg up in making sure that we can be highly competitive, even as a fast follow.

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Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Mike, do you want to talk about our supply chain? On the

speaker
Mark [Last Name Unknown]
Executive (Supply Chain & Commercial Strategy)

supply chain, obviously, we're monitoring all the events of the day as it relates potentially to tariffs that may come forth for the industry. I think as our supply chain set up today, you know, our API for both products is manufactured outside the US. The debut has drug product manufacturing in Canada and the US. The drug product manufacturing for Neoplas is all in the US. I think what we've done thus far, you know, in recent months, as I mentioned on the call, was, you know, onshore as much inventory as possible. Due to investments that the company had made previously in advance of a potential DRP approval, the company did make investments in inventory or supply for advanced rent, which is why we have the supply. All of that's on, you know, in the United States today and can last us into the mid to late 2030s. And we don't own any manufacturing sites, so we don't have any infrastructure that's set up with our supply. Like everybody, we look at our supply chain to make sure we have assurances of supply redundancy, high quality suppliers, appropriate price. You know, if there are tariffs, you know, that's one cost that will be considered in the overall supply chain. But from a manufacturing standpoint, you know, time and investment can change everything. So nothing's permanent, but nothing changes overnight. I think we feel very comfortable in the position that we are today with our inventories and we'll keep the supply chain as is until there's an appropriate reason, whatever that may be, to change it. We can do that in the future.

speaker
Katherine
Investor Relations Representative (acting for Sean, Morgan Stanley)

Thank

speaker
Mark [Last Name Unknown]
Executive (Supply Chain & Commercial Strategy)

you.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Our next question comes from the line of Yatin Tineha with Guggenheim. Your line is now open.

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Yatin Tineha
Analyst, Guggenheim

Hey, guys, thank you for taking my question. Question on the Prader-Wheeler study. Are you able to talk about the powering of the study and the size of the study? It's pretty robust. What effect size are you powered for? What is the minimum delta you are able to achieve? Thank you.

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Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Last list to talk about the effect size and the power in for our study.

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Liz [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Yes, I think probably the most important thing to orient here is that we have a study that is substantially larger than the prior study where there was nominal significance, but, you know, where if 3.2 had been run by itself, we would have anticipated having a significant p-value. So that is a check in our column. As far as we think about the specifics of the powering that underlies this, we actually looked at a number of different potential powering scenarios to make sure that we were adequately covered for a few possibilities. The one that is most obviously disclosed is a slight increase in terms of the delta between placebo and active, and that's reflective of the fact that we have a slightly longer time point in this trial than we did in the prior study. But I think broadly consistent expectations with what we've seen historically and a number of different scenarios that get us with strong 80 plus percent powering.

speaker
David [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Thanks, Liz. Thanks for the question.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joel Deedee with Baird. Your line is now open.

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Joel Deedee
Analyst, Baird

Hi, thanks for taking the question. It's a little bit of a math question on Bayview and the ability to find new patients starts faster than patients discontinue. I guess it's in the context of getting close to a thousand patients on therapy in a quarter now and then a discontinuation or persistency rate at 12 months of about 50 percent. So putting those numbers together, I guess the question is, would that mean to expect about 500 patients dropping off over the course of a year? And then, so how realistic is it to be able to find 500 plus patients of new starts to be able to replace that?

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Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Let me try and reorient the math a bit. And if I get convoluted, somebody can help simplify. But you're right in terms of the patients actively shipped in the quarter 954. Now, of those patients, 65 percent of them just above actually have been on therapy for more than a year. So it's important to understand that within that 954, there are different cohorts of patients start times, but more than 65 have been on the product for over a year. We continue to see strong persistency beyond a year. So we're not seeing sort of a sudden drop off beyond that either. So it's really a cohort question, if I may, in terms of the math job and in terms of new starts added every quarter and the expected time that that patient stays on therapy. Again, we've given you the 12 months, if you like, persistency rate. However, we are seeing patients stay on therapy for much longer than that. So that's sort of maybe a way to think about it. Mark or Tom, if I may. I mean, we

speaker
Mark [Last Name Unknown]
Executive (Supply Chain & Commercial Strategy)

talked about 12 months. That's the first 12 months of therapy. It's not each 12 months of therapy. So the rate of the persistency rates are very high kind of after the curve is like plateauing after as you get out in time. So it's really in that first 12 months that we keep more than 50 percent of our patients. And then beyond that time, it's a very high rate of persistency.

speaker
Unknown Speaker
Unknown

So as

speaker
Mark [Last Name Unknown]
Executive (Supply Chain & Commercial Strategy)

Catherine mentioned, we have that stable base of patients that are on therapy more than 12 months, 65 percent of our current patients. And so then we're adding patients on top of that. And that's how the patient count grows over time.

speaker
Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Maybe I'll just give you one statistic that gives you maybe a sort of, you know, as we went through 2024, we started sort of with 870 or so patients shipped per quarter and now we're at 954. So again, they don't drop off at the end of the year. They continue to they continue to stay on therapy. Hoping that that helps you out, Joel, if you need some more follow up, I'm happy to do that too.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Sumat Kulkarni with Kanakor Genuity. Your line is now open.

speaker
Sumat Kulkarni
Analyst, Kanakor Genuity

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking your questions. I have two quick ones. Given post trial briefing is done on the PIMAV incident, two case. Could you remind us of your latest assumptions on when you might expect generic competition on the new plaza? And second, on profanity, do you expect to start recognizing European revenue from France via the paid early access program that country allows? And how important might that type of initiative be to give you a good sense of how the product might launch in the rest of Europe?

speaker
Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

OK, I'm going to ask Mark to update you on your plaza and then I'll take the front question.

speaker
Mark [Last Name Unknown]
Executive (Supply Chain & Commercial Strategy)

Yes, so I'm on on PILVANCER and IP remain kind of in the view that we have bookends, right? The short end of the bookend would be October 2030. The long end of the bookend is February 2038. Really nothing has changed with our reasoning behind that, as we've been talking over the last month and year, whatever the time frame would be. Really the only update since the last time we've talked publicly is that oral arguments for appeal on our composition of matters now scheduled for June 6th of this year.

speaker
Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

In terms of France, I'll start and Tom can add color. I think you're referring to the ATU program in France, which has now got a different acronym that's currently escaping me. But essentially it's the early access program where the French government pays a product. We're putting in place mechanisms for that program to be activated in France for debut. There are a number of regulatory and legal considerations we need to put in place before that action, but that's actively going on right now. As you know, once you then get reimbursement through the Transparency Commission, those patients switch over to paid product from the French government. And that's our current plan. Again, we have to understand what the French situation is nearer to the time, but we are planning for the ATU to be activated this year. And we're planning for those patients to transition over to commercial product once those negotiations have completed. Tom, did I miss anything on your... No, I think

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Tom [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

as it relates to France, that's entirely true. I mean, the other thing I would say is obviously Germany, we will be having a managed access program there as well. And actually, Germany, if you recall, will be out the gates pretty significantly ahead of where we are in France. So I think if you want to kind of have a good kind of barometer as to what's going to be happening in Europe, the German launch will be the one to watch. Because we do anticipate having patients enrolled in that early access program. As a reminder, on day one, once we have a European approval, they will be able to be switched over to commercial drug with free drug pricing as well. So more to come, but that's how we expect to see things playing out.

speaker
David [Last Name Unknown]
Executive

Hopefully that answers the question. Take the next one.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Malcolm Hoffman with BMO Capital Markets. Your line is now open.

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Malcolm Hoffman
Analyst, BMO Capital Markets

Hi, Malcolm for Evan from BMO. I wanted to touch on New Plaza Grossinet. I believe you said Grossinet for the quarter was roughly 24% and the guide suggests a range for the year of 22 and a half to 25 and a half. Can you just talk through what pushes and pulls you expect can move this Grossinet one side or another of the guide? Thank you.

speaker
Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Yeah, let Mark take the Grossinet question.

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Mark [Last Name Unknown]
Executive (Supply Chain & Commercial Strategy)

Yeah, I think, you know, right now, we're, you know, at least the first quarter is kind of right in the middle of our guidance. It really is just patient mix, which we don't control. It's just the payers for our patient base can change over time and that can influence quarterly fluctuations and what the Grossinet is on the year. The other thing does is that influences it is if we take any pricing action. We took, we had, you know, a small modest price increase at the beginning of the year. We don't foreshadow when we may or may not take pricing action. We price our medicines to value and we just announced that when and if we do it over time.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you. I'm showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to Catherine Owen Adams for closing remarks.

speaker
Catherine Owen Adams
Executive

Thanks everybody for your questions this quarter. We look forward to continuing to deliver on our commitments to our patients and updating you on our progress next quarter. Thanks again for your questions.

speaker
Moderator
Conference Call Moderator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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