American Outdoor Brands, Inc.

Good day, everyone, and welcome to American Outdoor Brands, Inc. Second Quarter Fiscal 2024 Financial Results Conference Call. This call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Liz Sharp, Vice President of Investor Relations, for some information about today's call.

Thank you, and good afternoon. Our comments today may contain predictions, estimates, and other forward-looking statements. Our use of words like anticipate, project, estimate, expect, intend, should, could, indicate, suggest, believe, and other similar expressions is intended to identify those forward-looking statements. Forward-looking statements also include statements regarding our product development, focus, objectives, strategies, and vision, our strategic evolution, our market share and market demand for our products, market and inventory conditions related to our products and in our industry in general, and growth opportunities and trends. Our forward-looking statements represent our current judgment about the future, and they are subject to various risks and uncertainties. Risk factors and other considerations that could cause our actual results to be materially different are described in our securities filings. You can find those documents as well as a replay of this call on our website at AOB.com. Today's call contains time-sensitive information that is accurate only as of this time, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. Our actual results could differ materially from our statements today. I have a few important items to note about our comments on today's call. First, we reference certain non-GAAP financial measures. Our non-GAAP results exclude amortization of acquired intangible assets, stock compensation, shareholder cooperation agreement costs, facility consolidation costs, technology implementation, acquisition costs, other costs, and income tax adjustments. The reconciliations of GAAP financial measures to non-GAAP financial measures, whether they are discussed on today's call, can be found in our filings as well as today's earnings press release, which are posted on our website. Also, when we reference EPS, We are always referencing fully diluted EPS. Joining us on today's call is Brian Murphy, President and CEO, and Andy Fulmer, CFO. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Brian.

Thanks, Liz, and thanks, everyone, for joining us. I'm pleased with our second quarter results, which demonstrated solid performance in sales and capital management, as well as ongoing progress in support of our long-term strategic objectives. We deliver net sales growth of 6.4%, a result that came in ahead of our expectations and that we view favorably given that retailers continue to remain cautious about their inventories and available open to buy dollars in the quarter. Our second quarter sales also reflected long-term growth of more than 21% over our pre-pandemic second quarter of fiscal 2020, including our acquisition of Grilla Grills in fiscal 2022. We delivered year-over-year growth of more than 14% in our outdoor lifestyle category, which consists of products related to hunting, fishing, camping, outdoor cooking, and rugged outdoor activities. On a long-term basis, our outdoor category has grown nearly 40% compared to the pre-pandemic second quarter of fiscal 2020, including the gorilla acquisition. I believe this result reflects the success of our strategy to grow this part of our business. In fact, our outdoor lifestyle category comprised nearly 60% of our total sales in the second quarter. Growth in our outdoor lifestyle category also reflects our strategy to seek out and place our brands where consumers expect to find them, whether online or in-store, as well as our strategy to drive sales through retail expansion opportunities. Accordingly, we were proud to join forces with Academy Sports and Outdoors in the second quarter to bring Academy customers a select lineup of our Meet Your Maker meat processing equipment. Beginning in October, select meat products became available at all 270 stores academy retail locations, and online. We originally launched Meet in 2019 as a new, exclusively, direct-to-consumer brand. Leveraging our Harvester Brand Lane team's existing infrastructure and consumer insights, Meet quickly developed a loyal following of consumers who appreciate its premium, professional-grade equipment quality, its commitment to user education, its industry-leading lifetime warranty, and its authentic personality. Academy is an ideal partner for our initial entry of meat into brick-and-mortar stores, providing us with a great opportunity to introduce this exciting product lineup to a large number of new potential customers. Our shooting sports category saw a slight decline in second quarter net sales compared to the prior year, a result that is consistent with reports from firearm manufacturers citing ongoing heightened channel inventory and reduced consumer demand. Although we don't produce firearms or ammunition, related products in our shooting sports category include solutions for target shooting, aiming, safe storage, cleaning and maintenance, and self-defense. Turning now to channel sales in the second quarter, sales growth in our traditional channel was strong, led by the initial shipments related to the meat launch I just discussed, and supported by strength in the hunting and fishing categories under our BOG and Bubba brands. Net sales in our e-commerce channel also increased year-over-year, driven primarily by sales through our largest online retailer. While promotions with that retailer in the shooting sports category came in higher than we originally anticipated, they were beneficial for two reasons. First, they helped deliver several of our brands into the hands of consumers in this otherwise uncertain consumer environment. And second, they helped to lower channel inventories of our shooting sports products as well. With regard to sell-through, we gather point of sale and channel inventory data from retailers that represent about half of our sales. This quarter's POS data was slightly down overall. Outdoor lifestyle was relatively flat, a result we were pleased with given the current environment. Our shooting sports category posted a year-over-year decline that was driven almost entirely by a drop in aiming solutions, which are primarily the sights and optics that attach to firearms. Sales of those products tend to follow adjusted NICS data more closely. The balance of sales in the shooting sports category performed well relative to the underlying channel trends for the category. POS data also indicates that channel inventory of our products declined slightly in the quarter on a year-over-year basis, with the decline in the shooting sports category partially offset by an increase in the outdoor lifestyle category, consistent with my earlier comments. Before I close out the sales discussion, I want to turn quickly to preliminary Black Friday weekend sales results. And these are direct-to-consumer sales for our Grilla and Meat products. For the four-day period from Black Friday through Cyber Monday, on a combined basis, Grilla and Meat delivered nearly 40% year-over-year growth. Grilla had its largest single sales day ever on Black Friday, and Meat had its largest single sales day ever on Cyber Monday. Again, preliminary, but pretty exciting results. Now, turning to innovation. Innovation is core to who we are and a key element in our long-term growth strategy. We are reshaping enthusiasts' expectations of what it means to deliver in the moments that matter, whether it's gamifying fishing with Bubba's new smart fish scale, defining hunting rest stability with Boggs' Death Grip line, or re-envisioning clay throwers that operate battery-free with Caldwell's Claymore line. As we court consumers who are increasingly discerning, we believe that by introducing a consistent stream of innovative solutions Backed by enthusiast brands, we're able to capture market share and gain new placement. This innovation engine, fueled by our dock and unlock process, generated over 25% of our second quarter net sales. While this time of year is typically quiet for us with regard to new product introductions, our teams are hard at work on a number of new products and extensions that will begin unveiling across several of our shooting sports brands at the upcoming SHOT Show in January. In addition, we're putting the finishing touches on launch plans for a very exciting new product from Grilla you'll hear about soon. While we've introduced several Grilla products and accessories since the acquisition, this upcoming launch represents the first in a lineup of significant new Grilla innovations generated by our dock and unlock process. We've also ported Grilla over to our Salesforce e-commerce platform and launched a brand new website. Visit us at GorillaGrills.com, check out our new Evolve Your Backyard campaign, and then stay tuned for a number of new Gorilla products we'll launch under this campaign in the coming quarters. Lastly, we were honored to receive recognition for our innovative achievements when we were recently named Accessory Manufacturer of the Year by the National Association of Sporting Goods Wholesalers. Our Caldwell brand took home honors as well for Best New Accessory. These awards are a testament to our creative teams under Caldwell and throughout AOB, whose teamwork and talent are at the very core of our success. With that, I'll turn it over to Andy to discuss our financial results.

Thanks, Brian. As Brian mentioned, we are pleased with our results for the second quarter. We delivered net sales growth, we maintained a strong balance sheet, and we continued to return cash to shareholders through our share repurchase program, all while continuing to navigate market challenges stemming from cautious inventory management by retailers and reduced consumer demand. Let me walk you through the details. Net sales for Q2 came in above our expectations at $57.9 million compared to $54.4 million in Q2 last year, an increase of 6.4%. Compared to pre-pandemic Q2 of fiscal 2020, net sales increased by 21.3%, including the acquisition of Grilla. On a category basis, net sales in outdoor lifestyle increased by 14.3% over Q2 last year and included continued strength in our hunting and rugged outdoor products. Conversely, net sales in shooting sports decreased by 3.4% compared to Q2 last year, a result that was entirely driven by a decline in aiming solution products, which are sold to both firearm OEMs and consumers and the sales of which tend to align more closely with adjusted NICs. On a channel basis, traditional sales, which included our retail launch of Meet Your Maker products, increased by 8.7%, while e-commerce net sales increased by 3.3% over Q2 last year. As a reminder, our e-commerce channel includes direct-to-consumer sales from our own websites, as well as sales by online retailers that do not have brick-and-mortar stores. Turning to gross margin, gross margin for Q2 decreased to 45.7% compared to 47.7% in Q2 last year. The decrease was mainly due to increased promotional activity in the current year that Brian mentioned. Although this promotional level was higher than we anticipated, we believe the programs were effective in driving net sales in this uncertain market. Turning to operating expenses, GAAP operating expenses for the quarter were $26.5 million compared to $26.1 million last year. The increase was driven mainly by higher variable selling and distribution costs relating to the net sales increase netted by decreases in IT, insurance, and lower rent due to facility consolidations we completed last year. On a non-GAAP basis, operating expenses in Q2 were up slightly to $22.3 million compared to $21.3 million in Q2 of last year for the reasons that I just listed. Non-GAAP operating expenses exclude intangible amortization, stock compensation, and certain non-recurring expenses as they occur. GAAP EPS was $0.01 for the second quarter compared to $0.03 for the second quarter last year. On a non-GAAP basis, EPS was 25 cents in Q2 this year compared to 29 cents in the prior year. Our Q2 figures are based on our fully diluted share count of approximately 13.3 million shares. For full fiscal 2024, we expect our fully diluted share count will be about 13.5 million shares. Just the EBITDAs for the quarter was $5.2 million compared to $6.4 million last year. Turning now to the balance sheet and cash flow. We continue to maintain a strong balance sheet. We ended the second quarter with cash of $8.4 million and no debt after repurchasing approximately $1.5 million of our common stock. Due to the seasonal nature of our business, our second quarter typically reflects operating cash outflow, which is the result of seasonal increases in both accounts receivable and inventory, and that was the case this quarter. Then in the second half of the year, we typically generate cash from operations as we collect those receivables and lower our inventory levels. We expect this pattern to hold true for our second half of fiscal 2024 as well. Operating cash outflow for the second quarter was $8.4 million, driven mainly by an increase in accounts receivable of approximately $17 million. The higher level of AR resulted from the sequential net sales increase over Q1, as well as the timing of shipments, which were higher toward the end of the quarter. Our inventories grew by $4.2 million in the second quarter. The majority of that increase was driven by our decision to accelerate certain product purchases into Q2 in order to provide safety stock for a vendor change that will yield cost savings beginning in fiscal 2025. The balance of the increase resulted from the need to capitalize a higher level of tariff-related variances in the quarter driven by product mix. We expect inventory to decline sequentially from our current level in Q3 and again in Q4, resulting in inventories just below $100 million by the end of fiscal 2024. We remain debt-free, ending the quarter with no outstanding balance on our $75 million expandable line of credit and total available capital of roughly $100 million. With regard to capital expenditures, we spent a net $745,000 on CapEx for the second quarter, mainly for product tooling and patent costs, as expected. Our expectations for total CapEx spend for fiscal 2024 remain unchanged at between $6 million and $7 million. Included in this range is spending of between $3 million and $4 million for product tooling and maintenance, and a one-time spend of approximately $3 million to purchase assets including warehouse racking, office furniture, and other fixtures when we assume the full lease at our Columbia, Missouri facility on January 1st. Returning capital to shareholders remains a key capital allocation priority. and the strength of our balance sheet has allowed us to return capital to shareholders opportunistically through our share repurchase program. Our prior share repurchase program expired in September, and in Q2, our board of directors approved a new share repurchase program of up to $10 million, effective October 2023 through September 2024. In the second quarter, we repurchased roughly 158,000 shares for $1.5 million, at an average price of $9.46 per share. Now turning to our outlook. Our brands remain strong with consumers, and we continue to believe that fiscal 2024 could deliver full-year net sales growth of up to 3.5%. As I noted earlier, Q2 net sales came in ahead of our expectations, a result that benefited from retailers placing orders earlier in the season than last year. As such, we now expect Q3 to be relatively flat compared to Q3 last year, and we continue to believe Q4 will follow our typical seasonal pattern, delivering net sales that are higher than Q1 of fiscal 2024. Turning to gross margins, we expect to see gross margins come in at between 44% and 45% on a full fiscal 2024 basis. which would imply a slight decline in second half gross margins, as well as a decline in our full year adjusted EBITDA expectations. I'll walk you through those details now. With regard to margins, first, while second quarter sales came in ahead of our expectations and we are maintaining our full year sales outlook, we are opting to invest more in promotions than we had originally planned. as we continue to pursue our share of wallet in the current uncertain consumer spending environment. Second, we are selectively discounting and converting to cash some of our slower moving inventory primarily in shooting sports category. We believe the combination of these two initiatives will help us gain and protect market share while further building and strengthening our balance sheet. Third, Inventory purchases in the first half of the year and predominantly in the second quarter represent both a higher dollar spend as well as a mix of products that skewed towards higher tariffs, as I discussed earlier. Accounting treatment requires that the variances created by the difference between our standard costs and actual costs of purchased inventory, mostly tariffs, be amortized across the third and fourth quarters, and that will impact margins to a degree. And lastly, freight savings that we secured earlier this year are only recognized as the underlying inventory turns over, generally six months down the road. So the benefit of those cost reductions won't be fully recognized until our new fiscal year, which begins May 1st. With regard to OPEX, we believe that overall operating expenses will decline slightly on a gap basis for fiscal 2024, as a result of reductions from facility consolidations, one-time legal and advisory fees, and IT implementation costs, offset by higher selling and distribution costs. On a non-GAAP basis, OPEX will increase slightly, mainly due to the higher selling and distribution costs. And recall here that we have SHOT Show in our third quarter, which adds selling and marketing costs in Q3 that don't occur in Q4. Based on these factors, we expect our adjusted EBITDAs margin for fiscal 2024 to be between 4% and 5.5%. As we enter fiscal 2025 in May, we expect to see the positive impacts on our adjusted EBITDAs of the savings initiatives I've outlined in today's call. With that, I'll hand it back to Brian.

Thank you, Andy. In closing, we're pleased with our second quarter performance. I believe our results demonstrate our ability to manage those elements within our control, delivering growth, innovation, and a loyal customer base for our popular brands while prudently managing our capital to allow us to invest in our long-term growth. We have a number of reasons to be excited about the future. For instance, we're on track to deliver total net sales growth of up to 3.5% this fiscal year in alignment with our initial expectations. POS sales at retail for our outdoor lifestyle brands remain relatively favorable, and channel inventories for our shooting sports brands are significantly lower. We have many innovative, exciting new products in development across multiple brands in shooting sports and outdoor lifestyle that will begin launching in January and will continue launching through calendar 2024 and beyond. We are extending the reach of our legacy D2C brands, such as Meet Your Maker, with strategic retail partners. Our Bubba brand was named the official scale of Major League Fishing earlier this year, and the new MLF season, which we believe will drive tremendous visibility for Bubba, is set to kick off in January 2024. We have taken aggressive, preemptive actions with regard to facility consolidation and space optimization, freight cost reduction, and a vendor change, all of which are designed to generate notable savings in fiscal 25. Business consolidations are now complete, and we have the capacity and resources to grow organically and through acquisition without adding incremental costs. And lastly, the M&A landscape appears to be heating up a bit. At the same time, our balance sheet remains extremely strong, and we have no debt, affording us the ability to freely explore the growing number of acquisition opportunities we see on the horizon. To cap it off, we have a broad portfolio of authentic lifestyle brands, including Caldwell, Grilla, Bubba, and others that continue to resonate with enthusiasts who are passionate about their outdoor activities. We couldn't be more excited about what lies ahead. With that, operator, please open the call for questions from our analysts.

Certainly. To ask a question, you may press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. If you're using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, you may press star, then 2. Today's first question comes from Mark Smith with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. First question for me, just wanted to dig in on adding meat into kind of traditional channels. Any additional insight you can give us on kind of the scale of that, maybe a way of asking this, would you have still had growth in the traditional channel without adding in those meat sales into Academy?

Hey, Mark. It's Brian. The short answer is yes. We still have an increase despite the load in with Meet Your Maker. And all signs to this point are very positive. We're working with Academy to make sure that's a successful launch. Also great to see that our e-commerce sales for the four days we mentioned in our prepared remarks from Black Friday to Cyber Monday saw tremendous, tremendous traction. So all signs are positive at this time. But yes, the underlying trends within traditional were also very positive.

Okay. Then, you know, shooting sports is obviously still a little bit tough. I'm curious if we can just look at October at all. Any call out as we saw Knicks get better? Did you see increased demand as you look at point of sale data for some of your shooting sports products? Or did that not really apply? Was that purely more so just firearms?

Yeah, this is Brian again. So, I would say that, you know, we alluded to aiming solutions, dragging down the overall sales and shooting sports. And that is definitely true. Our, you know, brands like Caldwell, Tipton, Wheeler, Frankfurt Arsenal actually did very well just given the other trends going on in the industry. So very pleased to see that in particular within categories that we've emphasized are good long-term steady categories. So really the difference there, the delta, came on the aiming solution side.

Okay. And then I just wanted to clarify, Andy, the EBITDA's margin guidance that you gave, can you just give that to us again?

Yeah, so the range that we're expecting is between 4% and 5.5%. Okay. Yeah, go ahead.

I was just going to say, and it seems like a lot of that is, you know, the big driver of that is gross profit margin. You're looking for that to be down in the second half, and you walk through some of those reasons.

Yeah, yep, great question. So as I talked about in the prepared remarks, it's really kind of look at it in three pieces. So the majority is related to the investments that we've done in additional promotions and promotions we expect. So you saw a chunk of that in Q2. And really, like Brian talked about in his remarks, it's protecting market share. We believe those are great investments to be relevant with our consumers. Second piece is kind of the higher tariffed products that I talked about, a little bit above our expectations in Q2. And as I talked about actually on the Q1 call, those variances, the way that our accounting works is when those variances are recorded, they amortize off in roughly six months, because we have about six months' worth of inventory. So as those variances came in in Q2, we're expecting those to amortize off in Q4. The final piece is really inbound freight variances. So like tariffs, those are also capitalized in the first half and will amortize off in the second half. One thing I did want to kind of clarify, though, We have seen significant savings in inbound freight since kind of the, I'll call it the craziness of a couple years ago. What the delta relates to is more of a delay in timing of getting down to the expected rates, which we're seeing today, which is great. So it's really just a timing issue of when those get amortized off in the second half of the year, and we expect that'll provide a tailwind going into fiscal 25. In fact, if you look at almost like a pro forma, fiscal 24 pro forma basis on EBITDAs, between those, our current inbound freight rates and also those vendor savings that both Brian and I talked about, that would add almost $3 million to the framework, that 4% to 5.5% that I talked about.

Okay. That's helpful. Thank you. Thanks, Mark.

Thank you. The next question is from Eric Wold with B. Reilly Securities. Please go ahead.

Thank you. Good afternoon, everybody. First off, a couple of questions around the launch of Meet into Academy. Is this exclusive to Academy? For some point in time, you kind of referenced partners in your prepared remarks. Will the product mix broaden over time? Will anything ever be exclusive to retail and then How should we think about pricing at retail versus your DTC? Is it always going to be the same, or what drives the delta there?

Yeah. Eric, it's Brian. So I love the interest around meat, and it was a really good first expansion of the brand, and we have plans to further expand it. And we teased at this for a few quarters, just around wanting to make sure that we had the right partner before we introduced the brand. We saw tremendous growth direct to consumer before beginning to introduce it. There were lots of things we wanted to do before that took place. Obviously, the right partner. For us, merchandising is critical, making sure that the brand can show up in the way that consumers will expect it to show up. And then also, there are some differences between, let's say, the consumers that are shopping on our website, and some of the consumers that are walking into Academy stores. And so we have a slightly, you know, there are some shared products between the two, but we do have some that are positioned more for Academy's customers and for that retail placement. So they're not one for one, and that's intentional, really, because we want this to be a win-win, and so far that's what we're seeing. Over time, I think, you know, again, we want to be careful with the assortment. We have ambitious plans to increase the assortment of meat as we expand that product line over time. And I would expect you to continue to see some version of that showing up at retail, but ultimately complementing what we have online and really being that good partner for retailers. And then your question about pricing. Pricing in general is, I would say, pretty similar when it comes to EBITDA contribution is the way that we look at it because while gross margins might be higher direct to consumer, you obviously have more support costs that go into selling and marketing that product to consumers, and you're also shipping each of those. Whereas with this, you are getting some scale when you sell to the retailer, as you know, slightly lower gross margins, but overall pretty similar EBITDA contribution. So no major delta between the two.

Thank you. Last question. You mentioned that some of the net sales outside the quarter was driven by retailers ordering earlier in the season than you saw last year. What do you think drove that? And does that indicate anything around kind of more opportunity to kind of unlock open-to-buy dollars? And I guess as you talk to the partners, you know, are you getting any sense of optimism about, you know, return to kind of more normalized ordering patterns, or is that just something seasonally this year that should be read into?

Yeah, it's a really good question. So for Brian again here, I think it's a few things. One is you probably saw yourself that you were getting pinged earlier than usual with different promotions that retailers are running to try to draw in consumers and brands are doing the same thing. And I think that the retailers looking around at each other really felt they had to get out ahead of that in anticipation. So we saw more interest from retailers earlier than we typically do to bring out product. That in combination with the fact we've got a stellar analytics team sales ops team that is constantly looking at our inventories in the channel. And while these retailers have undergone a lot of change, sometimes you need to prompt them and say, look, here's where your inventories are at. And it would make sense if you want to hit the timing and based on what everybody else is doing, you know, for you to make this buy. You know, a little bit of FOMO, but it's real. You know, they don't want to miss the mark and they want to make sure We want to make sure they have every opportunity to get the most out of the consumer's wallet. And so it's really those two things. I think just observing what their peers were doing, promotions going out earlier than planned, some retailers having more inventory and wanting to get through that more quickly and seeing this as an opportune time to do that, and everybody kind of playing catch-up from the retailer's standpoint. So it really ramped up very, very quickly in terms of that interest which we were pleased to see, but as a result, it led to, you know, I guess heading out of October, we had more sales than we expected because of those orders.

Perfect. Thank you. Yep. Thanks, Eric.

Thank you. The next question is from Matt Karanda with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. It sounds like maybe we're starting to get a little bit of restocking activity in the traditional channel just based on the POS comments that you made and some of the comments you made in the Q&A here. Just wanted to see if maybe you could unpack for us where we're seeing the best lift in terms of brands for you guys or categories more broadly.

Yeah. Hey, Matt. Brian here. So really, if you look at outdoor lifestyle category versus shooting sports, outdoor lifestyle is is outperforming. 60% of our sales in the quarter came from Outdoor Lifestyle. In particular, the brands and products that have what's new. We alluded to it last quarter. It was our strong belief that as retailers were coming out of this trough and beginning to right-size inventory, seeing potential foot traffic decline, really emphasizing what's new. In fact, Academy had their call earlier today which we obviously listened to, and that was one of the takeaways that I heard was, look, we need to be showing these consumers what's new, getting them into our stores, and really separating ourselves from the pack. You're hearing that pretty consistently across the board, and so our outdoor lifestyle brands have done a really good job of introducing, keeping that continuous pipeline of innovation. So we have seen as part of that as evidence and I didn't say this in the prepared remarks, but when we look at our POS data, it's the higher-priced products, and most of those higher-priced products have come from recent product introductions, and that's where we're seeing some really good traction. So new products at higher ASPs, and I think that helps the retailer obviously make up for some of the lower traffic numbers. And then within shooting sports, pretty solid, I'd say, results from our our marksman brands, you know, Tipton, Wheeler, Frankfurt, Caldwell, but a very similar story there. It's new products, really, really shine bright in the quarter. And then aiming solutions, that just seems like a category right now that, you know, consumers and therefore dealers and retailers are just a little bit shy and kind of investing in a big way there. So it will come back. It always does. But right now, those are some of the takeaways that we have.

Okay, that's really helpful, Brian. Thank you. And then I guess help us square that with the forward look that says, hey, we're likely to get a little bit more promotional over the next couple of quarters. I guess with the newness and the innovation you bring, I would assume that would bring less discounting. So maybe just talk a little bit about sort of the planned promotional strategy that you have. It did sound like, I guess, to be fair, a little bit of it was more shooting sports related, but maybe just unpack it for us so we can understand what the puts and takes are there.

Yeah, Matt, this is Brian. I can start, and then Andy, feel free to chime in. So I think the promotions that occurred in Q2, the way that everything kind of came together in a way, I think retailers were experiencing a little bit of FOMO and making sure that they had their incentives out earlier and therefore placing those orders was it's really, really important, especially in the online channel with our e-commerce retailers, to capture that moment because if you capture that moment correctly, you see a lot of consumer pull-through in this current period of time. It gives you this nice sort of... visibility for the rest of the year, for the most part. So this is a really critical time of the year to make sure that you're front and center in front of the consumer. As they come back, they post reviews, and honestly, you just have relevancy. It's a great billboard for that. So one, wanted to make sure that we were capturing that. So as we look in the second half of the year, will there be promotions? Certainly, there are going to be smart promotions But I think it's going to be a slightly different flavor than what we did here in the second quarter, which was very strategic and really taking advantage of that trail that we're really going after to stay in front of the consumer. So, Andy, anything you want to add on the second half?

No.

Yeah. So I don't see anything else there. I think we'll continue to be vigilant on the shooting sports side, you know, where there are opportunities. But at the same time, we've got great product, great brands. And we all know that will come back, so we just want to be judicious there.

Okay, fair enough. And then just, I know you addressed the meat sell-in a little bit in the Q&A here, but maybe could you guys talk about the status of Grilla? Because I know that was also something that you guys had planned to bring into the Omnichannel community. this year potentially and just wanted to see what the latest update is there on Grilla entering sort of retail partners.

Yeah, Brian again. So that is still our plan. You know, we wanted to lead with meat. That was further along in the process. The other thing with Grilla is, as I alluded to in the prepared remarks, we do have a major new product launch coming in the next year. months here and then in the following quarters we have some additional ones that are truly innovative and fit with this Evolve Your Backyard where people have made significant investments in their backyard and we believe that Grilla has every reason to be there. So we want to make sure that those product launches are done in a timely manner and if possible are done well with the cadence along with retail. We are really finding if we launch a new product direct to consumer, it depends on the product, but if it's a higher price product and it's a little bit more innovative and we do a test run, we did it with like the Frankfurt Arsenal X10 when we did that. I think we may have also done it with the Caldwell Claymore. is we got tremendous feedback. We're able to get complete ownership with our communities. In this case, we've got 25,000, 30,000 Gorilla users on Facebook, for example. And getting their support and buy-in is critical. So running these ahead of time just sets the groundwork. So once those pieces are all put together, you're talking about a really powerful retail expansion strategy. And so we need to make sure those things line up instead of just trying to sell grills into retail. I don't think that's going to be as successful.

Okay, fair enough. Just to clarify, though, that we should expect some form of retail sales for Grilla this year, or we're not ready to commit to that yet?

I think it's fair to assume some retail placement, but... You know, it's going to be more testing than anything else. It's not anything that's going to change the model for this year.

Okay. All right. Got it. Maybe just last one you mentioned, you know, the M&A environment may be kind of unfreezing a bit here as we move into the end of the year and into next year calendar-wise. Maybe just wanted to hear your thoughts, Brian, in terms of what's interesting and Where are valuation expectations resetting to? Have they come down out of the stratosphere? How should we be thinking about sort of categories that you're interested in? And any just kind of early thoughts on sort of timing of any potential acquisitions that could happen over the next year or so?

Yeah. Yeah, things seem to be on fine. And based on what we're hearing from investment bankers is that the first half of next year, first half of 24, we're going to see more activity. There's already more pitch activity going on right now. Along with that, because of just the function of the investment banking fees, you tend to attract larger companies that can pay those fees. So some sizable brands should be coming to market. That's at least what we expect and We're certainly aware of several of them that we expect to come to market. And then we also have our own proprietary pipeline in place, and that's very strong. So we're seeing fewer, you know, last time we spoke, we were seeing more distressed-type deals. Certainly they're out there, but we're beginning to see a return of companies that are able to establish some level of run rate that then they can take and defend as they go out into markets. With regard to valuation, I think it's still a little too soon because there hasn't been enough, you know, just like real estate in a lower market, you don't see as many, not as many data points, right? So it's hard to say exactly where things are shaking out. But I think that debt, you know, the amount of debt a company can put on is a driving factor. I think you have financial buyers versus strategics. Financials are probably a little bit less competitive. when it comes to over-equitizing in a deal, and so that's where I think the debt piece is going to be critical, especially for financial buyers and those that are raising funds. So my expectation is that valuations are coming down, and in the first half of next year, I think we'll see a closer alignment to seller and buyer expectations. I think three months ago there was a, and six months ago there was a much bigger delta, but I think those are beginning to converge.

Okay, very helpful. I'll take the rest of mine offline, guys. Thank you.

Thank you. The next question is a follow-up from Mark Smith with Lake Street. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. I just wanted to follow up on Black Friday a little bit more in depth and kind of two-part here. First, if we just look at traditional... Did you guys participate a little bit more in Black Friday promotions around traditional retail this year versus last year? And maybe if you can break up any impact from that on sales and margin and how that would impact Q2 versus Q3.

Yeah, Mark, this is Andy. I think overall the promotional level at traditional was pretty consistent year over year. We worked with a number of retailers to, in those types of promotions, usually our front end where we'll discount product, sell that product to the retailer, and then that retailer will run it in like a Black Friday ad or a mailer, those types of things. But overall, I think the level was, it might be a little bit above last year, but nothing real notable.

Okay. And the other part is, you know, as we look at Gorilla and Meat that you guys called out, some of the positive results there, you know, can you quantify or call out maybe how much of that was driven by being fairly promotional or heavy discount versus just kind of natural growth in those brands?

Yeah, Mark, you sound like me when I first heard the news. I'm like, that's great, you know, but was it profitable? And so I asked, you know, what, I knew some of the promotions that we were planning to run, but just generally, did we see anything unexpected there? The good news is that, no, we didn't see anything unexpected. We didn't do anything above and beyond what would be, I guess, typical for us in prior years. So it wasn't like, you know, buy a grill, get a trampoline, or something like that. Very reasonable Black Friday, Cyber Monday deals, and overall pleased with the EBITDA contribution we got from those

Excellent. Thank you. Thanks, Mark.

Thank you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to hand the call back to Brian Murphy for closing remarks.

Thank you, Operator. Before we close, I want to let everyone know that we'll be participating in the Roth Conference in Deer Valley on December 14th and 15th. And in January, we'll be attending SHOT Show in Las Vegas. We hope to connect with some of you at these upcoming events. As we head into the holidays, I'd like to give a special thanks to our employees whose loyalty, hard work, and dedication continues to move our company forward on the path towards an exciting long-term future. To those employees and to everyone else who joined us today, we wish you a happy and healthy holiday season, and we look forward to speaking with you again next quarter.

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