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spk02: Good afternoon and welcome to the Accuray Second Quarter Fiscal 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press Start Then 2. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ken Mobeck, Vice President of Finance at Accuray. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, Gary, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to Accuray's conference call to review financial results for the second quarter of fiscal year 2021, which ended December 31, 2020. During our call this afternoon, management will review recent corporate developments. Joining us on today's call are Josh Levine, Accuray's President and Chief Executive Officer, Shig Hamamatsu, Accuray's Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, and Suzanne Winter, Accuray's Chief Commercial Officer and Senior Vice President of R&D. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that our call today includes forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those contemplated or implied by these forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause these results to differ materially are set forth in the press release we issued just after the market closed this afternoon, as well as in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The forward-looking statements on this call are based on information available to us as of today's date, and we assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events, except to the extent required by applicable securities laws. Accordingly, you should not put undue reliance on any forward-looking statements. Two housekeeping items for today's call. During the Q&A session, we request that participants limit themselves to two questions and then re-queue with any follow-ups. Second, all references we make to a specific quarter in the prepared remarks are to our fiscal year quarters. For example, statements regarding our second quarter refer to our fiscal second quarter ended December 31, 2020. With that, let me turn the call over to Accuray's President and Chief Executive Officer, Josh Levine.
spk09: Josh? Thanks, Ken, and thanks to everyone joining us on today's call. Accuray's fiscal 2021 second quarter performance continues to reflect the positive momentum our business is making despite the headwinds created by the COVID-19 environment. Highlights from our second quarter performance include the beginning of system revenue conversion related to the China Type A licenses awarded to AccuRay Systems, receiving 510K approval for ClearRT, our helical KVCP imaging on Radizak, and the continued adoption of our latest innovations like Synchrony, real-time motion tracking, and delivery adaptation on Radizak, and our latest generation CyberKnife S7 system. Revenue for the quarter came in at $97.5 million, which included approximately $21 million of China-related system revenue. The bulk of the China-related system revenue recognized in the second quarter represents the beginning of revenue conversion related to Type A licenses awarded to Accurate Systems in the past 18 months, which have an aggregate estimate value of approximately $150 million. While the number of Type A system shipments will vary from quarter to quarter, we currently expect revenue related to the remainder of the Type A licenses will be recognized over the course of the next 18 to 24 months. Regarding the Type B product segment, our China JV continues to make operational progress in advancing the manufacturing validation and qualification process, and we believe we are on track to have our China manufactured Type B product ready for market introduction in approximately 18 months. Gross order volume for the quarter was $75.4 million, which while down globally versus Q2 of the prior fiscal year due to COVID headwinds, was in line with our internal expectations. As we had shared in our first quarter earnings call in October, this was expected, as we highlighted the tough comparisons to the prior year, driven by type A orders in China during Q2 of the prior fiscal year, coupled with COVID-related headwinds in the Americas and EMEA regions during the current fiscal year. Despite those challenges, we saw positive order growth in Japan, where gross orders grew 10% year over year, primarily driven by strong RATASAC demand, as well as new technologies such as synchrony on RADIS Act. On a global basis, approximately 50% of new RADIS Act orders during the quarter included synchrony, which is a significant increase from prior year, and we believe this increase demonstrates that our customers see true clinical value in synchrony's proprietary real-time motion tracking and delivery adaptation capability. With respect to CyberKnife, we saw a 17% unit volume increase year-over-year, driven by S7 orders in the Americas and EMEA regions. From a financial perspective, we continue to see positive momentum in both operating and financial leverage from the cost management and cash preservation decisions we initiated during the initial stages of the COVID pandemic. With the improved operating leverage that we are seeing, we will be increasing our investments in R&D, which will bring the spending run rate back to pre-COVID levels of investment. On the product innovation front during the quarter, we announced that we had received 510K clearance for ClearRT, our helical KVCT imaging platform for the RADISAC system. This regulatory approval paves the way for two important milestones in our phased product launch. First, we can now obtain customer clinical evaluation site feedback and generate case studies demonstrating the impact of ClearRT on treatment-related decision making. Secondly, we look forward to gaining additional global regulatory clearances like CE-MARC and Shonen in Japan in preparation for a broader commercial launch, which we anticipate will take place towards the end of this fiscal year. ClearRT combines the Radizak system's unique tomotherapy helical platform with KVCT imaging capability, providing near-diagnostic quality image resolution, the longest transverse field of view, and best-in-class image acquisition speed that allows clinicians to acquire uniform, high-quality images during the treatment. We expect that ClearRT, combined with our synchrony motion tracking and real-time delivery adaptation on the RADISAC platform, will help to further advance the overall functionality and clinical capabilities of RADISAC and its strategic positioning as a workhorse system. We believe that the significant technology additions we are adding to our current product portfolio are well aligned with CMS's radiation oncology alternative payment model, which is now scheduled to go into effect beginning in January of 2022. Accuray has been a pioneer in high-precision technologies that enable hypo- and ultra-hyperfractionation, and we believe that the innovations we are bringing to the market will be a catalyst for long-term growth and ensure that our delivery platforms maintain their position as a gold standard choice in hyperfractionated SRS and SBRT treatments. And with that, I'll turn the call over to Shig to review our Q2 financial results in greater detail. Shig?
spk10: Thank you, Josh, and good afternoon, everyone. I'll begin with some additional details on our financial performance for the second quarter and then focus on certain highlights for the period. Gross orders for the second quarter were $75.4 million as compared to $98.6 million in the prior year. As we generated double-digit gross order growth in the last two fiscal years due to pent-up demand for China-Taipei system triggered by the initial announcement of Taipei quarter back in October of 2018, we had anticipated that we would be focusing more on converting existing Taipei orders to revenue this fiscal year as a volume of new China orders normalized, which is what we saw occur in the second quarter. In addition, we continue to see some headwinds due to the pandemic, particularly in the U.S. region, which has affected the timing of order placement in the near term. Looking ahead to the third quarter, we expect to see a similar challenging year-over-year comparison for gross orders. The prior year third quarter included $25 million of Type A orders, which is expected to be meaningfully lower in the third quarter of this fiscal year for the same reasons I just stated. We also anticipate our gross order volume in the second half of this fiscal year to be weighted more towards the fourth quarter, although we do anticipate a sequential increase in order volume from the second quarter to third quarter. From a product mix perspective, the Thermotherapy platform accounted for approximately 55% of order unit volume for the quarter, and CyberKnife accounted for the remaining 45%. As just highlighted earlier, we saw a strong innovation-driven order momentum during the second quarter, where we saw a significant year-over-year order growth for both Synchrony on Ratizak as well as CyberKnife S7. Net ages for the quarter were $35 million and included $13 million of age-in activities during the quarter. As expected, we saw a higher-than-normal level of age-outs during the quarter as timing of revenue conversion was impacted by the pandemic in all regions, with the exception of China. However, $13 million of age-ins during the quarter represented the highest-quality age-in activity we've ever reported. Although the depth and extent to which COVID-19 will impact individual markets could vary based on a number of factors, we expect to see a higher than normal level of agents for the second half of this fiscal year due to this pandemic-driven timing disruption. During the second quarter, we had no cancellations and FX and other adjustments totaled approximately $2 million. As a result, On a net basis, we generated $42 million of orders in the second quarter. We ended the second quarter with backlog of $596 million, which is an increase of approximately 11% from December 31st, 2019. Turning now to our income statement, total revenue for the second quarter was $97.5 million, and included a significant year-over-year increase in China's system revenue, which was offset by year-over-year revenue decline in other regions, primarily due to the impact of the pandemic. Product revenue for the quarter was $41.8 million and included $21 million of system revenue to China, of which $18 million were Type A products. From a product mix perspective, CyberKnife accounted for approximately 30% of the quarter's revenue unit volume, while the Tomotherapy platform accounted for the remaining 70%. Service revenue for the quarter was $55.7 million, an increase of 1% from the prior year. Turning now to gross margin, our overall gross margin for the quarter was 41.9%, compared to 38.4% in the prior year. Product gross margin for the quarter was 44.7% compared to 44% in the prior year. The second quarter product gross margin represented a meaningful sequential improvement from the first quarter product gross margin of 41% as we saw a higher mix of CyberKnife units during the quarter. Service gross margin for the quarter was 39.8% compared to 33.9% in the prior year. As a reminder, prior year Q2 service margin included the impact of higher than normal level of service parts consumption. Our operations and service teams have done a great job of normalizing parts consumption in the past four quarters, which contributed to a material year-over-year improvement in service gross margin. Additionally, Q2 service margin benefit from higher upgrade revenue as well as continued benefit from reductions in trouble and other operating costs due to the pandemic. Moving down the income statement, operating expenses for a quarter, or $32.6 million, a decrease of $1.6 million, or 5%, from the prior year. The year-over-year decline in operating expenses was primarily driven by the actions we implemented in response to the pandemic, which included position eliminations, as well as procurement of costs associated with the impact of COVID-19, particularly travel, marketing events, and related expenses. As we look forward to the second half of this fiscal year, we anticipate our quarterly operating expense run rate will start to normalize in the range of $35 to $37 million as we restore certain expenses and continue to invest in our R&D pipeline. In addition, The higher operating expense run rate in the second half of this fiscal year is consistent with the seasonality we have seen in the past fiscal cycles. Operating income for the quarter improved $4.6 million to $8.2 million compared to $3.6 million in the prior year. This represented the fifth consecutive quarter of GAAP operating income generation. and we have generated $27 million of operating income for the trading 12 months period measured from December 31st, 2019. While our operating income benefit partially from cost management actions taken in response to the pandemic, we expect our improved operating leverage will position us well in the post-COVID environment. The operating impact of the China JV for the quarter was an income of $1.1 million. This item is being reported on our income statement as a single line item called gain or loss on equity investment right below our operating income line. As our China joint venture continues to ramp its operational and commercial activities, we expect our share of JV's quarterly income or loss will continue to fluctuate in the near term and we expect our share of JV's operating impact will be a small loss in the second half of this fiscal year. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $13.5 million compared to $7.1 million in the prior year. On a 12-month basis, we have generated $44 million of adjusted EBITDA. The adjustments between GAAP net income and adjusted EBITDA are outlined and quantified in our earnings release issued today. Our cash and short-term restricted cash position improved $7 million from the start of this fiscal year to $116 million as of December 31st, 2020, despite paying down $10 million of term loan as the team continues to focus on managing our working capital. We also generated $15 million of free cash flow in the first half of this fiscal year. As we look ahead to the second half on revenue front, we remain cautious on revenue conversion timing given the current state of the pandemic, although we believe the visibility we are gaining on China-Taipei revenue conversion will soften the potential impact of the pandemic-driven timing disruptions. As we manage the near-term headwinds in revenue conversion, we are continuing to focus on operational efficiency continued investments in innovation, margin expansion, and working capital management. We also focus on inventory and supply chain management as we execute on China type A revenue conversion while maintaining appropriate levels of inventory. With that, we are ready to open up the call for your questions. Operator?
spk02: We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star, then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.
spk11: Our first question comes from Josh Jennings with Cowan. Please go ahead.
spk07: Hi, guys. This is actually Neil on for Josh. Thanks for taking our questions. The first question I had was just, I guess, around ClearRT. You know, now that it's approved, could you maybe just lay out kind of at a high level, you know, what the path forward is towards having, you know, I guess a broader adaptive therapy solution and what the steps would be to get there?
spk04: Sure. Josh, it's Suzanne. Just a little bit about our phased product introduction. We shipped to our clinical site for our phased one part of the introduction. We're getting feedback from our clinical sites. Then we'll go to a broader introduction in Q4, and we hope to follow up with CE Mark and Shonan so that we can address broader markets. ClearRT is really going to be the fundamental difference and backbone of any adaptive therapy. that will be developed in our innovation pipeline. One of the things we've certainly been watching to take a look at existing adaptive therapies that are out there now and still very, well, a good idea and a good first pass at adaptive therapy changes. It still is burdensome from a workflow standpoint and also very resource intensive. You know, from that standpoint, I think we're happy to be a fast follower here and take a look at what we can improve on on the next phase to ensure that it is more clearly adopted, you know, by clinicians.
spk11: Great. Thanks for that.
spk07: Just a second question. Just in terms of the joint venture, you know, Salesforce team and leadership that's currently under CIRC, How is that, I guess, positioned versus the prior distributor Salesforce in terms of offering the current type B offerings for OnRat and Tomo H? Our thought is that that would be a stronger effort versus prior, but just wanted to say to detect that.
spk09: We agree, Neil. So again, we're appreciative that the legacy distributor Tomo and I had done a terrific job looking back over the years of positioning our brands. What CIRC as a joint venture partner really brings us is strategic market access in a pretty powerful way. As you've heard us talk about, they are a market-leading company in medical-ready isotope production and sales, and they've got active customer relationships in, you know, probably 7,000 or 8,000 hospitals across the country. So they are both a manufacturing partner for us in terms of the on-the-ground product being produced on the Type B end in Tangent, but they also are, we think, a very powerful partner in the context of commercial activity, strategic market access, and visibility, if you will, across, you know, more than just the major population centers because kind of the big upside here for us when we think about the Type B product is the opportunity that exists in small to medium-sized facilities out in the provinces, and that's where CIRC has an existing strength in terms of market position, customer relationships. That'll be very valuable in the context of helping us ramp up the Type B product.
spk11: Great, thanks. That's it for me.
spk02: The next question is from Brooks O'Neill with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk03: Good afternoon, everyone, and congratulations on But I think it's a terrific quarter in light of the challenging conditions.
spk09: Thanks, Brooks.
spk03: So I was hoping to just get a little color. Obviously, we see the COVID impact underlying some of the numbers. So if you could just maybe you or Suzanne, Josh, could walk us around the key markets outside of China in terms of what you're seeing right now and then Specifically, I'm curious about the U.S. market and how you see the impact of the push out of the APM till the start of the next year impacting the business in the next 12 months.
spk09: Yeah, Brooks, it's Josh. I'll take those. So COVID, let's just start at home, so to speak, in terms of the Americas region, you know, primarily being U.S. We're in a We're in a different place than we were, let's say, during the summer or the end of the summer when hospitals had been locked down for a period of time, in some cases an extended period of time, and then we're opening back up late summer, I'll call it early fall. We have not seen widespread visibility of lockdowns in the U.S. market yet. you know, similar to that existed last year. So I don't think we're, at least by visible signs, we're not there, you know, where we were last year. With that said, it's, you know, this is a, the intensity of the COVID cases and ICU capacity varies pretty highly from, you know, area to area, you know, or region to region across the country. And, you know, you know, there's that variability, if you will, really kind of makes it difficult to identify in a broad sense, you know, painting an outcome or recovery timelines to, you know, with a single brush, so to speak. I think that if, you know, one thing I can confirm is, you know, cancer patients are being treated. You've heard us say before that, you know, cancer is not taking a vacation. for the coronavirus, and that is still very much the case. And, you know, we have active patient treatment taking place in our installed base throughout the country. And so, you know, there's really, it's a, I think that it's likely that we will continue to see, let's say for the first half of calendar 2021, a, you know, a slowdown and a continued slowdown in terms of timing. or go slow approach from an order activity standpoint. And I'd say what I just described for the Americas region is reasonably similar in the other developed markets. So I would say fairly consistently similar with regards to Western Europe, the Eurozone markets primarily. And, you know, so I'd say the Americas and EMEA are kind of in that same place. We talked in the prepared remarks about order activity in Japan, which is really showing a remarkably robust, I think, trajectory or at least backdrop, again, given an environment where they're seemingly as challenged with the COVID situation as anywhere else geographically. But there are clearly decisions being made there with regards to allocation of resources around capital expenditures, et cetera. So we're encouraged by that. The second part of your question, I believe, Brooks, was around the APM model. And, you know, while we understand the reasons behind the delay in implementation for the APM model until January of 2022, we don't think it affects longer term the overall trajectory or the impact that that decision will have on our business. You've heard us talk about before the fact that, you know, the business is coming based on the reimbursement changes. The business is moving in the direction of hypo-fractionation and ultra-hyper-fractionated treatment delivery. Our portfolio is getting stronger by the quarter, as you've seen the cadence of new innovations that we're launching. And we think we're extremely well-positioned going forward in the context of the environment that the APM implementation will continue to impact in a positive sense relative to its impact on us.
spk03: That's great. That's great, Culler. If I could just ask a second, probably two-part question. I apologize. But can you give us a little more color on the China revenue? You know, how many systems? Kind of what you expect over the next few quarters on the type A side. And I know you mentioned the commentary about joint venture production 12, 18 months out. Do you expect any milestones on the Type B side in the next, say, 12 months?
spk09: Yeah. Okay. So on the quarter, we just reported, we took four orders on the order side from the China JV. They were two Type A and two Type B. On the revenue side in the quarter, we booked nine systems. Seven were Type A orders. two were type B, and of the seven that we, on the revenue side that we booked, I think, I know we had C-CyberKnife and TomoTherapy and Ranizak products, as well as two TomoH devices on the type B side. So, you know, as we've talked before, it's not as if we don't have anything to sell and, you know, respond to the market with regards to type B today. We've got Onrad. We've got Tomo H. Both are active in the qualification universe, if you will, of the Type B approved products. So we're continuing to see some activity there, and I would expect that that will continue, which will be helpful, quite frankly, until we're ready to have our Tangent-produced product coming out of the factory with CIRC in about 18 months.
spk03: Great. Any color of Type B? What do you expect from Type B in terms of orders ramping up or whatever?
spk09: Well, I mean, again, we're taking Type B orders today with our current product offering. So the products that I mentioned before, Tomo H and Ronrad, are active. They're in the approved products list for Type B. The JV and our dealer network there are actively taking and can take orders. for those products, and they are doing so. And as you saw in the quarter, and it's been fairly consistent over the last year or so, or 18 months, we're showing, again, it's admittedly modest unit volume level, but we're not a non-presence, if you will, in Type B today. And we'll continue, I would imagine, Brooks, at that pace, or cadence, if you will, until we have our own product, the China-produced product, available in about 18 months.
spk03: Okay, that's great. Thank you for taking my questions.
spk09: Sure.
spk02: The next question is from Marie Thibault with PTIG. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi. Congrats on the strong quarter. I may start with a follow-on to Brooke's question about the China revenue. Wanted to get a little more insight into China's how you envision the cadence of some of this rolling out? I know you said that there's a total value of $150 million in those orders. How we should think about the lumpiness or not lumpiness of that revenue recognition as well as the second tranche of awards that you also have in hand?
spk10: Hey, Marie. Thanks for the question. I'll take that. Yeah, so again, you know, we're not going to be able to give a specific sort of quarterly cadence, but, you know, as we said earlier, you know, we think it's going to be a rollout of the remaining revenue out of the $150 million we talked about over the course of the next 18 to 24 months. Now, as Josh just mentioned, we shipped $18 million of Type A, which was part of the $21 million we talked about. And so what I could probably say is, is it going to be a big fluctuation from a quarter to quarter in the next few quarters? We're not seeing that necessarily, but again, we do expect that the amount or the revenue number units shift from quarter to quarter varies. So I'll just leave it as that, Marie.
spk01: Okay, clear enough. I appreciate that. And then perhaps we could talk a little bit about the replacement tailwinds. You've certainly been vocal about the older age of your installed base, so I'd love to hear what you're hearing from some of your legacy customers who are thinking about replacements and possible timing on when we may see some of that start to turn in a bigger way.
spk04: Yeah, Marie, we started to see some of the tailwind even this quarter at 26% of our total orders were trade-in, trade-up, and I think we're excited about the response that we're getting with the introduction of ClearRT and And so I think that with Synchrony is providing a really good, you know, rationale for our customers to make the investment to upgrade. So, you know, we only expect as we move forward that, you know, that percentage may increase as well.
spk01: Fantastic. Thank you.
spk11: The next question is from Anthony Patron with Jefferies. Please go ahead.
spk06: Hi. Thanks. We have a couple on China to stay there and then a couple on COVID. I guess I'm going to shift to the spend side, Josh and Shig, just on China and the JV. You mentioned recently at the JPMorgan conference, you want to add up to an additional 100 headcount to the 100 base, get up to 200 by fiscal 23. I'm just wondering what the cadence of adding to the infrastructure is through 2023. Should we expect a bolus near term? or will it be sort of evenly loaded through 2023? And then I'll have two follow-ups.
spk10: Yeah, Anthony, I'll take that question. Thanks for the question. And I think what we see is more of an even, gradual build of that additional headcount at the JV level. And just to remind you, As they get added to JV operations, they don't run through our expenses. It's not going to show up as an accurate P&O expense in COGS or OPEX. Rather, the impact of that for us would be picked up through the 49% equity interest pickup towards the bottom of income statement. So I just want to make that clear. And I guess you have the next question?
spk06: Sure. And again, well, one would be on the headcount ads. I mean, I fully understand that there's ownership in the JV, but funding of the new headcount, maybe just a refresh on how actually the funding will go and how the funding of growth of the JV will trend over those three.
spk10: Yes. At this point, the best way to think about how to fund that at the JV level is that they are self-funded. And so the initial capitalization was completed when we formed the JV effectively. As you recall, our partner provided the cash capital. We provided the in-kind capital. So they are fully capitalized, and they're going to fund additional headcount through their own operations.
spk09: Anthony, we really don't expect any incremental or surprise capital calls. from where we sit today. I mean, again, what Shiv just highlighted, I think, is our strong belief, very confident belief that this is, you know, self-funded on their end. Just to be a little bit more granular, most of, if not the vast majority of all of the commercial operational side of the... Let me back up. Commercial piece of the infrastructure is actually in place today. You know, full... representation, if you will, on the strategic marketing side and sales and marketing side in general. I think the headcount that you'll see added over time now is really more on the operational side with specific emphasis on the manufacturing operation and perhaps some additional regulatory manpower in efforts related to product registration approval and manufacturing qualification. and validation approval. So by functional area, it's really heavily indexed to more of the ops, the manufacturing ops and regulatory piece.
spk06: Okay. And the follow-up here would be, you know, also just, I guess, on the multi-year outlook from a segment basis, you should have material out there suggesting this can sort of approach the 4,000, you know, LINAC opportunity in China, you know, by 2026 when you back out the existing tender, both the 2018 and I guess the prior 2015 tender, you're looking at, you know, almost 2,000 additional units. And so when you sort of think about that multi-year opportunity, where does the confidence come in in that outlook and what is the expectation for a follow-on tender from the 2018 one in terms of timings?
spk09: Well, I mean, I think if you look at traditionally how the central government handles the five-year planning process, the 14th five-year plan is probably in development and active process, if you will, from a development standpoint as we speak. I can't predict when it would be announced, obviously, but we certainly believe that there are, we know that there are on the Type A side at least another, you know, call it in round numbers maybe, you know, 90, 95 additional Type A devices that were identified in the original quota that will probably roll over, very certainly roll over into the next five-year plan if they're not captured in this five-year plan. Although we also know that, as we mentioned in the last earnings release, We believe that applications have already been captured online in the central government's Ministry of Health's electronic application process that would indicate that there's a third batch of type A licenses that applications have been received for and not yet announced, which we believe likely will occur sometime maybe in April, May kind of timeframe. As you were talking about, the big upside here is Type B, and there would be, I think, every bit of the same kind of unit volume quota impact that we saw in the original quota announcement, which was something that had been, in round numbers, ultimately increased to about 1,400 Type B Type B devices in the Type B quota, we would think that at least that many would be represented again in the next five-year plan. So the magnitude of the market opportunity in China is, it can't be overstated. And the fact that we have, we still believe, a very unique strategy in terms of our participation in that market and the value or core segment of the market opportunity there is what gives us, quite frankly, the confidence to feel like we're on the right path.
spk06: With that, I'll leave it there. Thanks.
spk02: Again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. The next question is from Jason Wittes with Northland. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hi, thanks for taking the questions. Just more questions on China. You gave some indication in terms of what the comp was for China revenues the year ago quarter. Could you tell us what the comp is for the upcoming quarter and for the year for China revenues?
spk09: Yeah, I think we referenced orders against the prior year.
spk05: I'm sorry, orders if you could, yeah.
spk10: Yeah, so what I said, I think, Jason, was last year, Q3, just bear with me for a second. I believe last year Q3 had something like $25 million of type A orders last year, Q3. So that'll be a tough comp for us again this year. I mean, just next quarter, excuse me. That was my commentary, I think.
spk05: Could you also add revenues? I mean, you did provide revenues for this quarter, so I'd be curious to know what the revenue contribution was for next quarter and for the year, just so we can kind of track the progress of China, which I think is, at least the way I'm looking, pretty critical to the outlook for, I guess, most of us here.
spk10: Yeah, so, again, I don't think we specifically talk about China revenue contribution in the context of last year Q3, Jason, but the way to think about it is we had a small unit of B units in last year Q2, so we're talking about the most, probably mid-single-digit China revenue last year Q3. Okay.
spk05: And I guess that's kind of the tone for the – if I look at last year, that was the tone, probably the contribution of something in the mid-single digits. Is that the right way to think about it?
spk10: That's the way to think about it because, again, you know, we didn't have a type A revenue as we were waiting for the tender to complete. So we had a small contribution from B units second half of last year. So that's the way to think about it.
spk05: Okay. And then looking at the P&L, I guess you're indicating that OpEx is going to go up in the second half. I assume that's more in the fourth quarter than the third quarter. But I also assume – can we assume that this is going back to sort of post-COVID levels, or is this – there's still going to be – in those numbers that you described, is there still a pretty large COVID impact on those – expected in those numbers?
spk10: Yeah. Thanks for the question, Jason. So – The cadence of Q3 versus Q4, you're correct. You know, I would expect the Q4 to be higher than Q3, which is the seasonality that we always saw in the past fiscal cycles. And I think the way we think about it in a second half run rate, I said $35 to $37 million per quarter. It is more of a normalizing back to what we were pre-COVID. And the best way to think about this, Jason, is that I would compare – our annual run rate to what we had in FY19, which is the full pre-COVID fiscal year, when we incurred $162 million of OPEX for the entire year. I would say when we start to run 35 to 37 second half of this year, and that will probably equate to the annual run rate of something like $144 million, something like that. which implies that we are still operating, even after normalizing coming out of COVID, it was probably still operating about 10% below where we were in terms of OPEX pre-COVID cycle. Yeah.
spk05: Okay. That's helpful. I'll switch gears. And on QueryRT, Josh, I think you got approved. Congratulations. It does seem pretty incremental. But it sounds like it's going to be a controlled launch initially. Is that the way to think about it? And when do we, you know, when does it sort of go fully out to the field, I guess?
spk04: Yeah. So it is a phase launch. And, again, we're in phase one of the launch, which is in ascending to our clinical site. So the installation is going very well. And we're at the point of just getting clinical evidence as well as finalizing final product parameters. And then we'll go to a full launch, which will be in the Q4 timeframe.
spk05: Q4, okay. And are older Red Axic machines upgradable to ClearRT as well? And can you give us an indication of kind of what the price bump is for ClearRT? Okay.
spk04: Yeah, so the ClearRT will be available to the RADxact install base as an upgrade, and it's also available to any tomotherapy customer. There will be an upgrade trade-in, trade-up price to get to the latest version with ClearRT.
spk05: So if I have a current system without ClearRT, it's just an upgrade, right? It's not a replacement?
spk04: Yeah, if you're a RADxact customer, yes, it's an upgrade.
spk05: And do you have an indication of kind of what the ASP is for an upgrade?
spk10: Jason, not yet on ClearRT. So, you know, we're probably in the next few months ramping up on commercial activities, so I think we should be able to talk about that a little bit more then.
spk05: Okay, and then also just related to that, I assume that upgrades aren't going to be available until that Q4 when the full rollout comes through. Is that the right way to think about it? Okay. Last question, just, you know, if I think about, you know, obviously we're very focused on China here. Japan obviously came in very nicely as well. In terms of more established U.S. and European markets, it sounds like the tone is that COVID is still largely impacting both the performance there, but also just kind of visibility for the moment. Is that the right way to think about it?
spk09: Yeah, I would say that that's a fair representation. I think it's important to note, though, Jason, that we're not seeing orders cancel out of the backlog. So we're not We are not, again, if you think about where the market was going back to last summer and even into some places in the early fall, I don't see today in the developed markets, so call it in the U.S. and Western Europe, I don't see that level of, again, there isn't any visible signs of a wall-to-wall lockdown in hospitals today. What's happening is Timelines are pushing out so timelines on projects that are already teed up orders in the backlog You know timing for revenue conversion is pushing out again highly variable from institution institution or region to region But you know, obviously we're we're we're staying close to all those customers and we're we're ready to begin installation and and push the go button on any or all of those projects that customers are, when they give us the sign that they're ready to go, we can react quickly. But I think as you've described it, that would be a good representation in terms of how we're thinking about it relative to impact.
spk05: Okay, thank you. That was very helpful. I'll jump back in queue. Thanks a lot, guys.
spk02: This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Josh Levine for any closing remarks.
spk09: Thank you, Operator. In closing, we're pleased with the progress we see occurring with the business, despite the challenging environment, and we're strongly focused on taking advantage of the anticipated growth catalysts and opportunities we have in front of us. During fiscal third quarter, we have a number of investor conferences that we look forward to participating in, including the BTIG Healthcare Conference in February and the Cowan Healthcare Conference in March. Lastly, We intend to report our fiscal 2021 third quarter results at the end of April. Thanks to everyone listening in to today's call.
spk02: The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect.
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