Ares Capital Corporation

Good morning. Welcome to Aries Capital Corporation's second quarter, June 30, 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Tuesday, July 25, 2023. I will now turn the call over to Mr. John Stillmar, Managing Director of Aries Investor Relations.

Thank you very much. Let me start with some important reminders. Comments made during the course of this conference call and webcast, as well as the accompanying documents, contain forward-looking statements and are subject to risks and uncertainty. The company's actual results could differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements for any reason, including those listed in its SEC filing. Barry's Capital Corporation assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Please also note that past performance or market information is not a guarantee of future results. During this conference call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP measures as defined by SEC Regulation G, such as core earnings per share or core EPS. The company believes that core EPS provides useful information to investors regarding financial performance because it is one method the company uses to measure its financial condition and results of operation. A reconciliation of GAAP net income per share, the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure to core EPS, can be found in the accompanying slide presentation for this call. In addition, the reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings release filed this morning with the SEC on Form 8K. Certain information discussed in this conference call and the accompanying slide presentation, including information relating to portfolio companies, was derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. And accordingly, the company makes no such representations or warranties with respect to this information. The company's second quarter end of June 30th, 2023 earnings presentation can be found on the company's website at www.ariescapitalcorp.com by clicking on the second quarter 2023 earnings presentation link on the homepage of the investor resources section of our website. Aries Capital Corporation's earnings release and Form 10-Q are also available on the company's website. I'll now turn the call over to Mr. Kip DeVere, Aries Capital Corporation's Chief Executive Officer. Kip?

Thanks, John. Hello everyone and thanks for joining our earnings call today. I'm here with our co-presidents Mitch Goldstein and Court Schnabel, our chief financial officer Penny Roll, our chief operating officer Jana Markowitz, and other members of the management team. I'd like to start by highlighting our second quarter results and I'll follow that with some thoughts on the economic environment and the current market. This morning we reported strong second quarter results. Our core earnings per share of 58 cents increased 26% year over year, primarily driven by the benefit of higher interest rates on new and existing investments. Our gap earnings per share for the quarter were 61 cents, driven by our strong core earnings and a modest increase in the overall value of our investment portfolio. These results led to another quarter of sequential growth in our net asset value per share to $18.58. We are pleased with these results, and we think it's important to put them into context of what we're seeing in the broader credit markets. Over the past two decades, direct lenders have demonstrated their ability to be a stable source of capital, supporting the growth of U.S. companies, even when bank and syndicated capital markets are volatile and hard to access. More recently, this trend has accelerated, and direct lenders such as Aries have stepped in to fill the void. Although second quarter transaction activity remained slower than recent history, it picked up compared to the first quarter and the firming tone of the capital markets is an important step towards greater M&A deal activity. Importantly, we are seeing direct lenders gain significant share as 85% of new issue LBO financing in the U.S. was completed by direct lenders. In less volatile markets, this percentage would typically be lower, and transactions, particularly the large deals, would be more heavily weighted towards the broadly syndicated bank loan and high yield markets. Direct lending also continues to be increasingly active away from the LBL market, as direct lenders completed one and a half times as many non-buyout financings as the broadly syndicated market during the second quarter, according to data by LCD. As it relates to our business, the number of deals we reviewed in the second quarter increased 20% over the first quarter. This includes certain incumbent portfolio companies seeking incremental financing opportunities, which provides us with a steady source of differentiated originations. Overall, we're sourcing many compelling transactions, and we're cautiously optimistic that a recent pickup inactivity will translate into a higher level of closed transactions. During the second quarter, Market pricing and terms continue to be highly attractive as it relates to our new deals. Breds on our new loans are well above historical averages, leverage levels are lower, and equity contributions are higher. Similar to the existing portfolio, most of our new investments are floating rate deals that benefit from higher base rates. Market data provided by LCB underscores our view that the current vintage of buyout transactions has the highest level of equity support of any time in history. At the same time, the risk-adjusted returns in our lending business are historically very attractive, as spread per unit of leverage, which measures returns relative to risk, are 15% better than the 10-year average. We believe the current vintage ranks as one of the best for our lending business in the past 10 years. Within this attractive and growing market, we continue to enhance our leading market position. We believe our large and long tenured US direct lending team of 170 investment professionals delivers a compelling brand in the market. And this provides us with many intangible benefits, particularly in sourcing. Given the impact of our participation and the value we add in transactions, we believe we sometimes get more looks on new opportunities and have an ability to negotiate preferred terms with our counterparties. In recent periods, we've taken additional steps to further support our sourcing and credit advantages. Expanding on our extensive sponsor and non-sponsor coverage over the past five to 10 years, we've continued to develop a significant amount of industry expertise, specifically in software and technology, specialty healthcare, financial services, infrastructure and power, and sports, media, and entertainment, to name a few. More recently, we formalized these industry specializations, creating eight dedicated industry teams that enhance the significant sponsor and non-sponsored coverage that we enjoy today. We believe that formalizing these teams has further contributed to the strength of our process and our risk management capabilities and made us an even more compelling partner for sponsors and for portfolio companies. Despite companies dealing with higher borrowing costs, we believe corporate fundamentals remain solid, perhaps stronger than we would have expected. Our portfolio companies continue to perform well, and we see no evidence of what many believe is an imminent recession. Credit quality has been stable, and inflationary pressures have begun to show some easing. Our weighted average portfolio grade is flat quarter over quarter, and slightly better than our 15-year average. Our non-accruals at cost decreased slightly, and remain well below our own and BDC averages over the past 15 years. Despite the constructive view that we maintain on the economy and the portfolio, we are paying particular attention to the cash flows at our portfolio companies. EBITDA continues to grow nicely, as Court will describe, and our portfolio interest coverage ratio remain relatively stable quarter over quarter. While some market participants are calculating interest coverage ratio tests using actual interest expense over the past 12 months, which we don't necessarily think is particularly relevant, we calculate the ratio using pro forma annual interest expense using market rates at quarter end. If we instead did the calculation using the actual interest expense over the past 12 months, our portfolio interest coverage ratio would have been 30% higher for the second quarter, approximately 2.1 times. The loan-to-value in our portfolio continues to be conservative, and at quarter end, we estimate it to be around 43%. There's significant invested capital and value beneath us in most capital structures, a lot of it supplied by large and well-established private equity firms with whom we have great relationships and do repeat business. We continue to believe that a lot of the focus should and will be on the behavior of our partners who own the equity in these businesses. And we would expect solutions for companies needing assistance to come from a partnership approach between lenders and these partners if history is any indication. So as a result of these dynamics and the company's overall performance, feel confident about the results we were able to deliver for the second quarter and our competitive positioning going forward. With that, let me turn the call over to Penny to provide more details on our results and our strong balance sheet position.

Thanks, Kip. For the second quarter of 2023, we had core earnings per share of 58 cents compared to 57 cents in the prior quarter and 46 cents in the second quarter of 2022. We continue to see the benefits of higher base rates on our predominantly floating rate portfolio in the second quarter of 2023 as our interest and dividend income increased both from the prior quarter and the second quarter of the prior year. Our income was bolstered by higher capital structuring fees as compared to the prior quarter despite a generally continued slower origination environment in the quarter. On a GAAP basis, we reported GAAP net income per share of $0.61 for the second quarter of 2023 compared to $0.52 in the prior quarter and $0.22 in the second quarter of 2022. Our higher GAAP net income per share in the second quarter of 2023 benefited from modestly higher portfolio values during the quarter. Our stockholders' equity ended the quarter at nearly $10.4 billion, or $18.58 per share, which is an approximate 1% increase in NAV per share over the prior quarter. Our annualized return on equity this quarter was greater than 12.5%. whether one measures this on a core or a gap basis. This strong level of profitability further builds upon our long-term track record of a 12% gap-based annual return on NAV since inception. Our total portfolio at fair value at the end of the quarter was $21.5 billion, up from $21.1 billion at the end of the first quarter, reflecting net fundings from the portfolio. The weighted average yield on our debt and other income producing securities at amortized cost was 12.2% at June 30, 2023, which increased from 12% at March 31, 2023, and 9.5% at June 30, 2022. The weighted average yield on total investments at amortized cost was 11%, which increased from 10.8% at March 31, 2023, and 8.7% at June 30, 2022. The yields on our portfolio reflect the continued increases in interest rates. Shifting to our capitalization and liquidity, we ended the second quarter with a debt to equity ratio net of available cash of 1.07 times as compared to 1.09 times a quarter ago. Our liquidity position remains strong with approximately $4.7 billion of total available liquidity, including available cash. We believe our significant amount of dry powder positions us well to continue to support our existing portfolio commitments, to remain active in the current investing environment, and to have no refinancing risk with respect to next year's term debt maturities. We declared a third quarter 2023 dividend of 48 cents per share, which marks the 56th consecutive quarter of steady or increasing dividends. This dividend is payable on September 29, 2023 to stockholders of record on September 15, 2023 and is consistent with our second quarter 2023 dividend. With that, I would like to turn the call over to Court to walk through our investment activities for the quarter.

Thanks, Penny. I'm now going to spend a few minutes providing more details on our investment activity and our portfolio performance and positioning for the second quarter. I will then conclude with an update on our post-quarter end activity backlog and pipeline. In the second quarter, we originated $1.2 billion of new investments across 46 different transactions as broader middle market sponsors and businesses continued to value Aries as a consistent and reliable source of capital. Underscoring the breadth of our market coverage, the EBITDA of the portfolio companies we financed during the quarter ranged from below $20 million to over $1 billion, and we were the lead arranger on 77% of the transactions we closed in the second quarter. We believe that our ability to lead transactions is an important benefit of our scale, providing us greater control over capital structures, pricing, and documentation, and longer term, better tools to drive successful credit outcomes. We continue to find compelling value in today's market. This is demonstrated by the first lien investments we originated in the quarter, which had a weighted average yield in excess of 11.5%, but leverage of only 4.5 times debt to EBITDA. Underscoring Kip's earlier point about the historically attractive relative value we are able to achieve on our new investments, The weighted average LTV of our second quarter commitments, including our junior capital investments, was below 40%. We also believe the breadth and quality of our incumbent portfolio provides differentiated access to attractive new investment opportunities. We continue to invest in what we believe are our strongest portfolio companies, as over 70% of our transactions during the quarter were to existing borrowers. many of whom are executing tuck-in acquisitions or seeking growth capital and have elected to grow with us as their financing provider of choice. Our portfolio continues to perform well, and we are seeing a lot of stability within our credit metrics. We believe this is largely due to our defensively positioned portfolio in market-leading companies with high free cash flow in resilient industries. In the second quarter, the weighted average annual EBITDA growth rate of our portfolio companies was a healthy 7%, in line with historical levels, and the weighted average portfolio grade of our borrowers at cost was stable with last quarter at 3.1. As we have discussed in the past, we are carefully monitoring the impacts of inflation. While our portfolio companies are not immune, The percentage of the portfolio that we estimate to be highly impacted by inflation risk has improved modestly and is now at the lower end of our 5 to 10 percent range as we are seeing some improvements from supply chain pressures. All of these factors resulted in our non-accrual rates continuing to be well below historical levels. Our non-accruals at fair value improved modestly from 1.3 percent last quarter to 1.1 percent this quarter. while our non-accrual rate at cost also improved from 2.3% last quarter to 2.1% this quarter and remains well below our 3% 15-year historical average and the KBW BDC average of 3.8% for the most recent 15-year period available. Looking forward, we remain confident about the performance of our portfolio, in part due to our disciplined approach to risk management and portfolio diversification which reduces the single name risk in the portfolio. Our 21.5 billion portfolio at fair value is diversified across 475 different companies and 25 different industries. This means that any single investment accounts for just 0.2% of the portfolio on average. And our largest investment in any single company, excluding SDLP and Ivy Hill, is just 2% of the portfolio. We believe we have the greatest level of portfolio diversification of any publicly traded BDC. In addition to the benefits of diversification in our portfolio, there is a meaningful amount of enterprise value beneath us. The weighted average LTV of our portfolio is 43% inclusive of our second lien and subordinated investments. On average, these junior capital investments are in meaningfully larger companies, in defensive industries, and with significant equity capital supporting our positions. At quarter end, our entire junior capital portfolio had a weighted average EBITDA in excess of $400 million and a weighted average LTV of less than 50%. Our compelling junior capital track record, which includes annualized loss rates of less than 20 basis points over our nearly 20-year history supports our continued strategy of seeking attractive risk-adjusted returns through selective deployment into this asset class. Finally, I will provide a brief update on our post-quarter-end investment activity and pipeline. From July 1st through July 19th, 2023, we made new investment commitments totaling $211 million, of which $119 million were funded. We exited or were repaid on $118 million of investment commitments. As of July 19th, our backlog and pipeline stood at roughly $470 million. Our backlog and pipeline contain investments that are subject to approvals and documentation and may not close, or we may sell a portion of these investments post-closing. I will now turn the call back over to Kip for some closing remarks.

Thanks a lot, Court. In closing, we believe that our portfolio continues to demonstrate strong overall performance, and we are well positioned to navigate any potential future economic challenges. We believe our many long-term competitive investing advantages, the strength of our balance sheet, and the defensive positioning of our portfolio should allow us to deliver differentiated performance and attractive risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders. We are hopeful that activity will pick up as volatility subsides, and as market participants have a more certain outlook on the direction of interest rates and the economy. And we stand ready to capitalize on this highly attractive new investing climate. For Aries Capital, we believe that this is a good time to focus on our diversified portfolio and our sourcing, underwriting, credit, and portfolio management strengths with a view to delivering strong financial results and a significant level of core earnings from our diversified portfolio. As always, we appreciate you all joining us today. We're happy to open the line now for questions.

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press star, then 1 on your touchtone phone. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then 2. Please note, as a courtesy to those who may wish to ask a question, please limit yourself to one question and a single follow-on. If you have additional questions, you may re-enter the queue. The Investor Relations team will be available to address any further questions at the conclusion of today's call. Our first question comes from the line of Melissa Weddle with JP Morgan. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions today. Wanted to touch on actually some of the activity that you disclosed in the press release for this court for 3Q to date. Noted that I think it was 49% in preferred and fixed rate deals so far in 3Q, which was down, I think, a decent amount from 2Q levels in terms of fixed rate allocation. I was hoping you could just elaborate on that and what you're seeing.

Thanks for the question, Melissa. Nothing that for me jumped off the page, Penny, on your quarter looking at it. It's one, frankly, single fixed rate large preferred investment that skews the mix on a pretty small denominator.

Yeah, the other thing to add maybe to that would be on some of these preferred investments, we actually are able to get warrants and equity upside kickers as well, so the fixed rate component doesn't capture the totality of the return.

Understood. Just as a strategy going forward with the uncertainty, the rate environment, Is your willingness to allocate more fixed rate deals sort of increasing and are you more amenable to requests from borrowers for that? Thank you.

Not really. I think just to follow on, I think this is just literally a single circumstance of one negotiated deal with one particular company.

Our next question comes from the line of Finian Oshia with Wells Fargo Securities. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, everyone. Good morning. Can you talk about the change at Varagon and what that might mean near or long term for the STLP?

To be honest, not in a lot of detail, and that news is pretty new. We're excited. And then I think our partners at Baragon are feeling good about having a large institution, you know, to partner with. My guess is that, you know, Mann Group is going to want to run Baragon the way it's been run and continue to grow it. I'd expect that that relationship with them would be unchanged. But since the news is new, I don't really have any confirmation beyond that, Ben.

Great. Perfectly understandable. Thank you. And just a follow up for Does ARIES BDC receive or is it interested in allocation from the ARIES alternative credit line?

From that business? For sure. I mean, as we say all the time, we think we're real beneficiaries at the BDC of the rest of our credit platform here. What we've typically excluded has been what we're doing in Europe for the most part. We really run that standalone. But everything else that we're doing, you know, in U.S. credit benefits the BDC and alternative credit for sure can be part of that.

Very good. Thanks so much.

You're welcome.

Our next question comes from Aaron Singinovich with Citi. Please proceed with your question.

Thanks. It sounds like structures and leverage levels are attractive here. Are you seeing any kind of opening up yet of sponsors' willingness to invest? And what do you think the timeframe will be till you start to see deal activity start to increase?

That's probably the hardest one, Aaron. And if you actually ask the senior folks here, I think you'd get a range of different responses, you know, in terms of optimism, pessimism, you know, whatever it may be. I'd probably sit somewhere in the middle. I mean, look, we've seen the pipeline pick up a little bit. You know, specifically, we actually saw the number of deals that we review increase each month during the second quarter, if that's any indication it's picking up a little bit. But as I said in the prepared remarks, I think different folks have a very different view, or at least there's not consensus perhaps around the direction of the economy or the trajectory for rates. You know, are they going to stay higher for longer. They're going to be rate cuts this year, which I don't think we see on the table anymore early into next year if the economy weakens. So look, I mean, anecdotally, we're starting to see things pick up, but it's the middle of the summer. It's a really difficult time to gauge that.

Fair, fair answer. The other question I have is just in terms of funding. You always had a nice balance between secured and unsecured funding. How are you thinking about funding going forward? You don't really have anything on the unsecured side, I guess, coming due until next year.

I'll turn it to Penny, but I think the answer is we don't really have a change in our view of how we're going to do things. But Penny, you should pile on to that general comment if you'd like to.

Yeah. I would just say, look, I think it's more of the same. We have a view of having a very solid balance sheet liability structure that shows ladder maturities and a nice mix of secured and unsecured for the 24 maturities they're effectively resolved at this point we have 4.7 billion dollars of liquidity available we've done a lot to grow the capacity that we have and therefore i think you know there's no refinancing risk going into next year but we're going to continue to look at the markets and as we've done in the past be as opportunistic as we can about thinking about how to access those markets to continue to fill out our ladder of maturities over time.

Our next question comes from the line of Ryan Lynch with KBW. Please proceed with your question.

Hey, good morning. Following up on the previous question on kind of market activity, I was just curious Obviously, there's been a big decline in kind of LBO sponsor activity recently. And I know you said that you're starting to see a little bit of pickup in activity, but those are obviously coming off very low levels, very low base. And so my question is, do you think you can see a significant pickup in an LBO sponsor activity in base rates? stabilize, you know, around these levels are a little bit higher. Is that enough to, to really get sponsors interested just to have that sort of clarity? Or do you think you actually have to have the fed cutting base rates, um, so that the cost of capital is actually cheaper, uh, for some of these deals?

Yeah. I mean, again, I, I'm not sure, and that's a hard question. Appreciate the question that Ryan, I mean, I think if, um, seller expectations for where they hope to sell companies to sponsors go down. The current level of rates is probably fine. And then the counterpoint is decreases in rates in 2024, perhaps and beyond, I think should, you know, loosen activity levels up and make it a bit busier. But we're seeing folks try to put capital structures together, you know, with the current base rates, right? And again, activity is going up. from here, but yeah, the cost of debt is much, much higher. And you just have to factor that into the model in terms of how you think about buying something right now. And I think that's why everything's sort of slow, right? You're in a period of just feeling things out.

Yeah, I don't think it's an unwillingness on the part of sponsors to invest. I think it's just the uncertainty creating a difficult environment to transact between buyers and sellers. So I, I, I do think that the more certainty there is the higher, the likelihood that we're going to see a pickup in, in transaction activity.

Okay. Uh, understood. Uh, and then, you know, it feels like the economy has been much more resilient than, than people were expecting. Certainly when their predictions, you know, six and nine months ago of recession occurring in 2023. But while the overall economy seems to be pretty resilient, I would assume that there are certain sectors that are maybe, you know, you guys, whether it's your own portfolio or broadly speaking, are seeing particular weakness. Are there any sectors that you are more concerned of or maybe feeling more weakness in what would otherwise be considered more of a, you know, a more resilient economy?

You know, not really, Ryan. I mean, as you know, and many others probably on the call know, we try to position the portfolio defensively in terms of industry mix. So I think the places where you're likely to see, you know, real spikes and defaults are places where we try to have very little or no exposure. You know, I too agree with your comment that the economy is actually performing materially better than I might have expected you have 12 months ago if you had asked me in terms of where we'd be in the summer of 23 so you know I don't know if the soft landing you know it is is really in the cards obviously the newspapers seem to imply that there's a chance of that now but look for the back half of the year borrowers just I said that's in the prepared remarks have less cash flow right there D leveraging less quickly And we need to be focused on every company in every industry to make sure that we're doing what we need to do from a risk management perspective. But when we look across our industry mix, there's no one particular place where we feel more concerned rather than in the aggregate. Okay. Thanks, Kip. I appreciate your time today.

Sure. Thanks.

Our next question comes from the line of Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets. Pleased to proceed with your question.

Hi, good morning. Thanks for taking my question. Just in terms of any potential future capital raising needs, wondering if utilization of the ATM equity program is still the preferred method here, or would you be open to any sort of block transaction? Thanks.

I mean, I think the simple answer to that is we felt like we've been able to grow the company, you know, modestly through the ATM program and the creative cost effective ways. So we'll probably stick to that as the primary source of, you know, where we go from here. You know, the leverage level isn't a very reasonable level at the end of this quarter. So we feel confident that we have dry powder enough to take advantage of what we think is a compelling environment. So for now, I think the ATM program is going to prove to be sufficient.

Got you. Very helpful there. And that's all I had. Thanks again. Sure. Thanks for the question.

Our next question comes from the line of Casey Alexander with CompassPoint. Please proceed with your question.

Yeah, thank you. So, given your comments about the economy performing better than you would expect, can you give us some color on the pace of amendments and modifications in the portfolio, and are you actually doing less of that than you also might have expected at this point in time?

Yeah, I mean, it's less than certainly it was, although there's still some activity there, Casey. I'd call it sort of middle of the road, right? It's not very active, but certainly it's part of the discussion that we're having with owners of all these companies today that again may not be meeting plan, may not have as much cash flow as they expected, but I call it just ordinary course.

Okay, thank you. And secondly, did Penny mention how much spillover there is on a per share basis?

I did not. It was the same as last quarter. So if you look at what we estimate to be carrying forward from 2022 into 23, it's stable at $650 million or $1.19 a share.

Terrific. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thanks for the questions, Casey.

Our next question comes from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Please proceed with your question.

Hi, and thanks for taking the question. Your comments obviously have reduced cash flow, et cetera, and that's across the portfolio, but EBITDA is still growing, et cetera, and interest coverage in aggregate is pretty good. Can you give us color on how much of the portfolio will or does have interest coverage below 1 at peak SOFA, call it 550? And then related to that, For those that are stressed, how what what's the the step up rate, so to speak, from the sponsors in terms of stepping up and providing incremental capital for that proportion of the portfolio?

Yeah, I mean, where we always direct people on that, Robert, thinking about companies that have, you know, probably insufficient or less than we'd like cash flow really points you to the mix of ones and twos in the portfolios, which, again, is our Underperformers, you know, material and underperformers are the ones and twos are, you know, kind of what I think of as the watch list. So, you know, that number adds up to, you know, well less than 10% today. I'm sorry to follow. I was just stumbling through some paper here.

What proportion for those businesses are the sponsors stepping up, you know, 100% incidence rate or 90 already? how would the negotiations come? Are they coming through and supporting those businesses or are you having to do more of that?

I mean, I think, I think they have generally, and if you look at, um, you know, the pick percentage of our portfolio, it's a kind of a, you know, it's a three year low at this point. So the playbook during COVID where we actually provided relief and paying cash interest is not really part of the playbook today. I would say that we've seen good sponsorship support in situations that have required it, but the way it's progressing, just to maybe try to give you all a little bit more color, is even if a company has a longer-term problem with the capital structure where interest payments perhaps look too high with the base rate being this much higher, In most of those circumstances, they still have significant cash on the balance sheet. They have access to undrawn revolving credit facilities, which they can use. So there are a handful of interim tools before a sponsor probably needs to step up and support a company, I would say, that is performing with more capital. And I think that's another reason why activity levels are low. I think you see a lot of private equity firms that are really focused on what's going on in the existing portfolio and Um, thinking about how to deal with that as much as they're struggling to, you know, do new deals. So hopefully that gives you a little bit of color.

Yeah. To underscore the first point Kit made though, and to answer your question spot on, we're not seeing, when it gets to the point where the company does need liquidity, we're seeing no change in sponsor behavior in terms of their willingness to support. those companies, and we spent a lot of time in the prepared remarks talking about the loan-to-values, but given the loan-to-values in our portfolio on a go-forward basis, we certainly would expect to see the same thing.

Got it. Got it. Thank you. Then one sort of follow-up. Ivy Hill has been a tremendously successful business for you. It's now 10% of the portfolio if we look at the equity. Is there, I think we've talked about this on Parkour, is there still room to grow that or is 10% of the portfolio kind of the cap for the size of that business?

Yeah, I mean, we don't really have a cap particularly on things that have been that successful. I have acknowledged in a different setting, so I'll acknowledge it now, that having a 10% exposure to a single name, even though we don't really think about it as a single name because there are a host of underlying funds and cash flows that deliver the return is probably you know near the upper limit at least for me personally um so i wouldn't expect it to grow materially from here got it thank you our next question comes from the line of mark hughes with truist securities please proceed with your question thank you good morning the uh non-accruals uh improved this quarter after stepping up for a bit for a quarter or two was there anything

Common to that improvement, was it one-off? You talked about inflationary pressure easing. Was that a driver, perhaps?

I mean, really, Mark, when you go through it with a little more detail, really what happened is we resolved one of the non-accruals through a restructuring of a specific portfolio company. So removing that non-accrual is what actually just from a math point of view took the number down. Obviously, with that, I'll say just to be clear,

know we didn't see other companies you know added in a material way right so but but the decrease was really the result of one significant restructuring that we did at a portfolio company understood and then um with the uh potential for deal activity to pick up if interest rates improve do you do you see uh maybe some pause as the the uh

expectation is for interest rates to decline further and then the question is when do you transact how does it work at this point in the interest rate cycle i mean i think it's very hard to tell again i i think if you have stability in rates it makes it easier back to one of the earlier questions for buyers to at least understand you know what their maximum cost of debt financing may be when you set up you know a model to do a transaction obviously more compelling for transaction activity would be a decline in rates, right, where you actually had the expectation for cuts to start coming through. But your guess is as good as mine as to when that actually happens, if at all. So I think we kind of are where we are for the time being.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Our next question comes from the line of Bryce Rowe with B. Reilly. Please proceed with your question.

Great. Thanks. Good morning. Thanks for taking the question here. Maybe first one is around balance sheet leverage. You all delevered a bit in the first quarter and maybe even a little bit more here in the second quarter. Can you talk about kind of your view on maybe relevering or maintaining at these levels? Just kind of curious where your comfort level is at this point.

Yeah, thanks for the question. I mean, it's the same answer, I think, as it's been in the past, maybe with a modest footnote. You know, we tend to run kind of between one and one and a quarter times. The leverage helps drive earnings a little bit. But again, just as a reminder, the BDCs are really not particularly leveraged companies, right? So going from 1.05 to 1.17 times doesn't have a huge impact. We, I think, at this point in the cycle, though, would like to have a lot of liquidity, both to pursue new investing and also to make sure that we can, you know, invest in portfolio companies to the extent we want to or need to. So I think it's really just driven quarter to quarter by how active we are and what the repayment, you know, calendar looks like. That's hard to predict, but we feel comfortable with where it is today. If it went up a little bit, that would be fine. If it went down a little bit, that would be fine. So, you know, the earnings are more than supporting the dividend and we felt good about the trajectory here. So, We don't feel any need to lever back up in the way that you referred to it. We're happy with where we are today.

Okay. That's helpful. Maybe a follow-up to those comments, Kip. No view of imminent recession based on your prepared remarks. Obviously, dividend coverage is extremely strong here, 20% plus. At what point do you kind of take it up another notch in terms of dividend increases? I mean, obviously, you've seen some great dividend increases over the last year, but with that view of no eminent recession, how are you thinking about dividend levels, given that level of dividend coverage?

I think the discussion that we had when we raised the dividend, obviously, was the earnings are well in excess of even the raised dividend level. What's prudent, right? And the discussion was much more about the direction of interest rates than it was about portfolio credit quality, right? So if we pulled a couple of the different levers that could allow us to have a higher dividend or a lower dividend, the one that's the most impactful would be a significant decrease in base rates. You'd have to model non-accruals up a lot to have it have any real impact on how we thought about the dividend today.

That's helpful. Appreciate the answers.

Sure. Thanks for the question.

Our next question comes from the line of Eric Zwick with Holy Group. Please proceed with your question.

Thank you. Good morning, all. I wanted to start, I guess, just first with a follow-up to something I inquired about last quarter. So in terms of your new commitments, 92% head floors this quarter. I'm curious if... borrowers accepting of your, you know, maybe request to move that floor up a little bit from kind of the 1% level that you've been operating for a while, or is that still kind of the average floor rate?

We've been trying, and we haven't had a lot of luck.

Okay, fair enough. And then my second question is, you know, maybe similar to some prior questions, but maybe just thinking about it a slightly different way. So looking at new commitments in the quarter, you know, up noticeably from 1Q, but still running, you know, well below the level that we've seen in prior years. So I'm curious, you know, how much of that is just a reflection of the market and slower deal activity versus maybe caution on your part, just given that there's still uncertain economic environment at this point.

I mean, we wish there was more activity. You know, we're not particularly cautious. You know, I think we're thoughtful about the existing portfolio, but we would love a busier environment. The reality is they're You know, not a lot of opportunistic recaps getting done because people have pretty, you know, good balance sheets in place. What's really going to drive a pickup from here is just going to be more M&A activity. And as we've mentioned, you know, we've got the benefit of having a large, diverse portfolio that contributes to a lot of follow-on capital opportunities for us. But yeah, to be materially busier, we just need the M&A environment to pick up.

You know, of course, the counter, the flip side of that is that the repayment activity is also lower than historical level. So we're getting more duration on our existing loans. So it's, you know, it's not all bad. It all sort of balances out. Yeah, that's a good point.

That makes sense. Thanks for taking my questions today. Yep, you're welcome.

And our next question comes from the line of John Rowan with Jannie. Please proceed with your question.

Good morning. Hey, John. So just to talk a little bit about the interest coverage and specifically kind of the ones and twos, and I appreciate, you know, the information you gave and how it's calculated, and particularly, you know, the loan-to-value rates, which, you know, would seem to be compelling for sponsors to step up and, you know, and help a struggling investment. But I'm curious, is there a difference in kind of the LTVs across the portfolio relative to what would be in the ones and twos? I'm just trying to gauge, you know... if that same, you know, reason to step up and support a company is the same in the ones and twos as it is for the rest of the portfolio?

Yeah, no, I think, but it's not, right? The LTVs are going to be much higher than the underperformers.

Yeah, we're marking the equity value to market every quarter. And so as there's underperformance, we're marking the equity value down. You know, there still might be

significant cash equity there which would incentivize support but obviously sponsors are going to evaluate performance of the company and with lower performance might be harder for them to support okay and then just what kind of housekeeping question obviously non accruals came down you did restructure one large loan is that what drove the realized loss in the quarter yes primarily okay all right thank you yep you're welcome thanks for the question

And this concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Kip DeVere for any closing remarks.

I just thank everybody for participating and the good questions. And I hope everyone enjoys the rest of the summer. We'll be in touch soon. Thanks.

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