Ares Capital Corporation

Good afternoon. Welcome to ARIES Capital Corporation's second quarter ended June 30th, 2025 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded on Tuesday, July 29th, 2025. I will now turn the call over to Mr. John Stillmar, a partner on ARIES Public Markets Investor Relations Team.

Great. Thank you very much, and good afternoon, everybody. Let me start with some important reminders. Comments made during the course of this conference call and webcast, as well as the accompanying documents, contain forward-looking statements and are subject to risks and uncertainties. The company's actual results could differ materially from those expressed in such forward-looking statements for any reason, including those listed in its SEC filings. Aries Capital Corporation assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements. Please also note that past performance or market information is not a guarantee of future results. During this conference call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP measures as defined by SEC Regulation G, which include factors such as core earnings for share or core EPS. The company believes that core EPS provides useful information to investors regarding the financial performance because it's one method that the company uses to measure its financial condition and the results of its operations. reconciliation of gap net income per share the most directly comparable gap measure to core eps can be found in the accompanying slide presentation for this call in addition reconciliation of these measures may also be found in our earnings release file this morning on form 8k with the sec certain information discussed in this conference call and the accompanying slide presentation including information related to portfolio companies It's derived from third-party sources and has not been independently verified. And accordingly, the company makes no representation or warranties with respect to this information. The company's second quarter ended June 30th, 2025 earnings presentation can be found on the company's website at www.AriesCapitalCorp.com by clicking on the second quarter 2025 earnings presentation link on the homepage of the investor resources section. Aries Capital Corporation's earnings release and form 10-Q are also available on the company's website. I'd like to now turn the call over to Mr. Court Schnabel, Aries Capital Corporation's chief executive officer. Court?

Thanks, John, and hello, everyone, and thanks for joining our earnings call today. I'm joined by Jim Miller, our president, Jana Markiewicz, our chief operating officer, Scott Lem, our chief financial officer, and other members of the management team who will be available during our Q&A session. Before we begin today's call, I want to take a moment to acknowledge the tragedy that occurred at 3 45 Park Avenue, just a few blocks from our New York office. This senseless act of violence has deeply affected our community and our hearts go out to everyone impacted. We extend our deepest condolences to the families and loved ones of the victims and to our friends and colleagues at Blackstone, KPMG, NFL, rooting and others who work at 345 Park Avenue, as well as the brave NYPD officer who lost his life protecting the building. In times like these, we are reminded of the importance of standing together as a community with compassion, resilience and support for one another. We are keeping all who have been affected in our thoughts. Let me now turn to our second quarter results. I will begin with a few quarterly highlights and we'll follow that with some thoughts on current market conditions. This morning, we reported solid second quarter results, delivering stable core earnings of 50 cents per share, representing an annualized return on equity of 10%, consistent with the prior quarter. Additionally, our net asset value per share increased both sequentially and year over year. The growth in our net asset value per share was supported by earnings in excess of our dividend and robust net investment gains, including strong net realized gains from our equity co-investment portfolio. These results support our position as one of the few BDCs to consistently generate NAV per share growth since our IPO. We are pleased with our profitability and the continued strength of our portfolio, particularly in light of the tariff-related volatility that led to economic uncertainty and reduced investment activity during the second quarter. Let me now discuss what we are seeing in our markets and our positioning. The second quarter began with policy-driven volatility, which temporarily slowed transaction activity, particularly in the liquid loan markets. During the early part of the quarter, we remained active, while traditional market participants retrenched and were not underwriting many new transactions, if any at all. We believe our ability to transact in varying market conditions and provide certainty in uncertain times yet again reinforced our value proposition and allowed us to garner enhanced terms and premium economics. As volatility subsided later in the quarter, the liquid credit markets reopened. Overall financing activity began to rebuild and has returned to a more normalized pace. As we have discussed many times in the past, we benefit from periods of volatility as our broad portfolio of 566 borrowers, extensive market relationships, and strong balance sheet positions us as a valuable partner to many market participants despite reductions in overall M&A volume. We saw this dynamic play out in the second quarter as nearly three-quarters of our gross commitments were from incumbent relationships. We continued to serve as a stabilizing force for our existing portfolio companies who are increasing their borrowings with us and enabling us to take share from other established lenders. For example, across our 10 largest transactions with incumbent borrowers in the second quarter, we more than doubled our previous lending commitments. And in doing so, increased our wallet share with these borrowers, which we view as some of our highest quality opportunities. As our track record illustrates, we believe we can generate attractive risk-adjusted returns and enhance our overall credit quality by supporting the capital needs of our existing portfolio companies. Beyond expanding our commitments with our existing borrowers, we remained proactive with our extensive sponsor relationships and continued to grow our presence among non-sponsored borrowers in our targeted industries. Despite overall declines in reported middle market M&A and transaction activity, we are continuing to review a growing number of opportunities, with the number of transactions we reviewed increasing 20% quarter over quarter. This growing level of opportunities reviewed should support greater investing volumes in the future, and it is particularly notable that June accounted for nearly half of the quarter's transaction activity. This momentum gives us visibility into a potentially more active second half of the year. As we have discussed in the past, we believe we are one of the only direct lenders with a meaningful presence across each of the lower, core, and upper middle markets. More recently, we have been particularly active in the upper end of the market, providing certainty of capital to potential borrowers in the face of market uncertainty. For example, as you have probably seen in media reports, we will serve as the lead left arranger for the largest private credit LBO on record, with the take private of Dun & Bradstreet, which is expected to close in the third quarter. Dun & Bradstreet is a longstanding, high-quality company with strong recurring cash flows, and this transaction clearly demonstrates our scale and leadership position in the market. We believe our ability to be a meaningful capital provider for larger borrowers alongside those in the core and lower middle market remains a notable differentiator for our platform. Importantly, we believe that the breadth of our origination capabilities is one of the key contributors to our long-term credit performance as it enables us to see a broader view of the market opportunity and then be highly selective in choosing where we invest. Shifting now to our existing portfolio, we are continuing to see healthy overall performance as our borrowers' weighted average organic EBITDA growth rates accelerated further into the double digits over the last 12 months. Supported by this underlying growth, borrower leverage levels are below our five-year average, and the portfolio average loan-to-value remains in the low 40% range. We also take comfort in the fact that our portfolio is focused on domestic service-oriented businesses that in our view carry lower policy risk from tariffs and other recently proposed and implemented government policies while we ended the second quarter with a modest uptick in non-accruals these levels still remain well below both our historical average and that the broader bdc peer group we remain highly confident in our ability to manage these idiosyncratic situations as we have an experienced veteran portfolio management and valuation team of approximately 50 dedicated professionals. We believe the deep credit experience of our team and our differentiated strategy of investing across the capital structure is a cornerstone of our track record and supports our generating realized gains well in excess of realized losses on our investments since inception. Specifically in the second quarter, we continued to build on this track record of gains in excess of losses as we exited several of our equity co-investments, realizing a three times multiple of our initial invested capital and generating a gross realized internal rate of return in the mid 20% range. In summary, we demonstrated stability amid significant market uncertainty in the second quarter. As we've seen in past periods of volatility, we believe these environments continue to reinforce our resilient business model and strong competitive positioning. We believe our consistent execution, disciplined approach, and differentiated platform leave us well positioned to navigate evolving market conditions and to capitalize on emerging opportunities. With that, I'll turn the call over to Scott to walk us through our financial results and the continued progress we're making on our strong balance sheet.

Thanks, Court. This morning, we reported gap in income per share of 52 cents for the second quarter of 2025 compared to 36 cents in the prior quarter and 52 cents in the second quarter of 2024. We also reported core earnings per share of $0.50 compared to $0.50 in the prior quarter and $0.61 for the same period a year ago. The stable core earnings are consistent with the general stability we have seen in yields, which for our portfolio essentially remained flat with the prior quarter. Drilling in a bit more into the net realized gains that Court highlighted earlier, we generated $117 million of net realized gains on investments during the second quarter, bringing our cumulative net realized gains on investments since inception to nearly $900 million. Related to certain of these gains, we incurred $44 million of capital gains taxes. As you may have noticed, we now break out these amounts separately in our income statement to make them easier to identify. While we do not typically pay taxes on the annual income we generate, we occasionally incur taxes on certain gross realized gains. even now these taxes are realized equity gains have delivered attractive returns for our investors turning to the balance sheet our total portfolio at fair value at the end of the quarter was 27.9 billion dollars which was up from 27.1 billion dollars at the end of the first quarter and up from 25 billion dollars a year ago shifting to our funding and capital position We have remained active in adding capacity, extending our debt maturities, and reducing our costs. In June, following a recovery in the capital markets from earlier volatility, we issued $750 million of long five-year unsecured notes at our new issue spread to Treasuries of 175 basis points, marking the tightest five-year new issue spread achieved by BDC since the beginning of the second quarter. We also continue to benefit from the deep and strong relationship we have with our banking partners. During the second quarter, we upsized our largest revolving credit facility by $880 million, bringing the total facility size to $5.4 billion, extended the end of the revolving period and the maturity date to April 2029 and April 2030, respectively, and reduced the drawn spread on the facility by more than 20 basis points. subsequent to quarter and we added a new banking partner contributing additional 100 million dollars to this facility with this latest increase we've expanded our revolving credit facility by nearly 1 billion dollars since the first quarter of 2025. this momentum is carried through to our other credit facilities so far in the third quarter we extended and upsized two of our other credit facilities by a combined 400 million dollars and reduce the drawn spreads on each by 20 basis points overall pro forma for this post quarter activity as well as a retainment of our july 2025 notes two weeks ago our liquidity remains very strong totaling nearly 6.5 billion dollars including available cash we believe we are well positioned particularly since we have no debt maturing for the remainder of this year In terms of our leverage, we ended the quarter with a debt-to-upgrade ratio net available cash of 0.98 times, consistent with a quarter ago. We believe our significant amount of dry powder positions as well to continue supporting our existing portfolio company commitments, which remain a significant source of deal flow, as well as investment opportunities in new portfolio companies. Finally, our third quarter 2025 dividend of $0.48 per share is payable on September 30th to stockholders of record on September 15th. ARCC has been paying stable or increasing regular quarterly dividends for 64 consecutive quarters. In terms of our taxable income spillover, we currently estimate we will have $878 million or $1.29 per share available for distribution to stockholders in 2025. In addition to our core earnings continuing to be in excess of our current dividend, as seen by the net realized gains this past quarter and the potential for further net realized gains, we remain optimistic we will further enhance our taxable income spillover. We believe our meaningful taxable income spillover provides further long-term stability for our dividends and is a significant differentiator for us. I will now turn the call over to Jim to walk through our investment activities.

Thank you, Scott. I will now provide some additional details on our investment activity, our portfolio performance, and our positioning. In the second quarter, our team originated over $2.5 billion of new investment commitments, as our longstanding relationships with existing portfolio companies enabled us to remain active during the second quarter, with incumbent borrowers accounting for 74% of our commitments. As Court also mentioned, we believe we are the only direct lender that focuses on the upper, core, and lower middle markets, which in our view, drives differentiated deal flow. By making new commitments to borrowers ranging from under $10 million to over $500 million in EBITDA, we are able to select what we believe are the most compelling credits across a multi-trillion dollar total addressable market in the U.S. The scale and broad market coverage of our investment team, which includes more than 200 investment professionals, supports our ability to invest in attractive risk-adjusted return opportunities across varying market environments. While our gross commitments were lower than the prior quarter, reflecting the reduced market activity through much of the quarter, the decrease was less pronounced than in the liquid loan market, and our net fundings of 644 million were more than double the prior quarter's level. These results contributed to a 3% quarter-over-quarter increase in the overall size of the portfolio at fair value. Our $27.9 billion portfolio at fair value continues to be highly diversified across 566 companies and 25 different industries. This means that any single investment accounts for just 0.2% of the portfolio on average. And our largest investment in any single company, excluding our investments in SDLP and Ivy Hill, is less than 2% of the portfolio. Our emphasis on portfolio diversification mitigates the impact of negative credit events in any one company or industry. On that point, Our portfolio management team is monitoring our portfolio on an ongoing basis for potential impacts from changing domestic and foreign policies and geopolitical shifts among a multitude of other potential risks. With respect to tariffs, as we learn more about our portfolio company's exposures and available mitigants, we feel incrementally better about the risks posed by potentially higher tariffs and our portfolio companies' strategies to address them. The health of our portfolio is reflected in the 13% weighted average LPM EBITDA growth of our portfolio companies, up modestly from 12% last quarter, and broad-based across industries and company sizes. This strength is further supported by the low leverage and strong and stable interest coverage of our portfolio companies. Notably, we see consistently strong performance across company sizes. Companies with EBITDA of less than 100 million and those with greater than 100 million of EBITDA all exhibited double-digit organic EBITDA growth over the last 12 months. Our non-accrual rates continue to be well below historical levels. but did tick up modestly at cost from 1.5% to 2%, and on a fair value basis from 0.9% to 1.2% since last quarter. On a cost basis, these metrics remain below our five-year average and our historical average since the great financial crisis. Relative to other VDCs, Our non-accruals at cost are 180 basis points below the BDC average over the same time frame. Looking ahead, we remain confident in the caliber of our team, health of our portfolio, and strength of our positioning. In the third quarter, we are seeing transaction activity recovering to pre-tariff levels. As a result, our backlog remains healthy. Our total commitments for the third quarter to date through July 24, 2025 were $1.1 billion, and our backlog as of July 24, 2025 stood at $2.6 billion. As a reminder, our backlog contains investments that are subject to approvals and documentation and may not close, or we may sell a portion of these investments post-closing. In closing, We're encouraged by the normalization of transaction activity so far, as well as the consistency of our core earnings in the second quarter, which continues to exceed our 48 cents per share dividend. Our declared third quarter dividend of 48 cents per share marks our 16th consecutive year of stable or increasing regular dividends. We're proud of this track record and remain confident in our ability to sustain a steady dividend, supported by our earnings power and significant undistributed spillover income. As always, we appreciate you joining us today, and we look forward to speaking with you in the future. With that, operator, please open the line for questions.

At this time, if you would like to ask a question, please press the phone. If you would like to withdraw your question, please press star, then two. Please note, as a courtesy to those who may wish to ask a question, please limit yourself to one question and a single follow-on. If you have additional questions, you may re-enter the queue. The investor relations team will be available to address any further questions at the conclusion of today's call. We'll take our first question from Finian O'Shea with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, everyone. Good morning. First question on the activity picking up. Can you talk about any improvement in terms spreads and upfront fees and how might that drive an NOI improvement on the go forward? Thanks.

Yeah, sure, Finn. Thanks for the question. Yeah, look, I'd say although there was some volatility intra-quarter on terms and we saw things improve a bit in the beginning of the quarter, toward the back half of the quarter, spreads kind of tightened back to where they previously were back in the first quarter. So I would just reiterate the theme of stability in overall spreads and terms and total yields in the new investment environment. Obviously, who knows what the future holds. We're certainly in a little bit more of a volatile time. And as we tried to highlight the prepared remarks, volatility can be good for us. So if we see that in the future, then there will be an opportunity for, you know, potentially improved terms. But so far, I would just say we're seeing stability, which, you know, I would say over the last several quarters now, we do seem to have kind of found that that point of stability in terms of spreads now for three to four quarters in a row. And then, yeah, the volume really does seem to be picking up again. The story on volume was a little bit mixed throughout the quarter. First half, a little bit of an air pocket as people were digesting some of the tariff-related news. But, you know, as we mentioned in June, really saw a lot of momentum, and our commitments post-quarter end were very strong.

Very good. Thanks. And for a follow up on the on the off balance sheet, vehicles, SDLP and Ivy Hill, those are a little smaller as a percent, given the growth of ARCC. But seeing if you can hit on the ability or likelihood to to expand those back to historical averages or peaks or wherever you might see fit. Thanks.

Yeah. Yeah, both of those vehicles are strategically important vehicles for us, and I guess I would say I wouldn't be surprised if they grow more from here. Okay, thanks.

We'll go next to Doug Harder with UBS. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thanks. As you think about taking advantage of the pipeline that you talked about or deal activity you talked about, you know, how are you weighing the balance between maybe taking leverage up versus continuing to issue new equity off of the ATM?

Yeah. I think it's a balance, and it's something that we're, you know, obviously always monitoring quarter to quarter. we do think that it is strategic for us to raise capital via the atm program when it's available and obviously this quarter we moderated it a bit relative to prior quarters given the transaction volume was a little bit lower so you know 300 million-ish this quarter via the atm versus four to five hundred million-ish in the prior few quarters Again, you never know where the markets are going to go, and it's crucial for us and our competitive advantage and value proposition to have capital for our existing borrowers and for potential new borrowers in all market environments. And as a reminder, also, when we're raising equity via the ATM program, we're doing that at a premium to book, which, you know, is accreted to NAV as we think good for our shareholders. obviously with the volume being a little bit lighter than we had hoped in this past quarter um we weren't able to get more into leverage but again core earnings at 50 cents a share uh still feels very good and stable and well covering the dividend and so it doesn't really bother us that we are operating around one times leverage in fact it probably just gives us a lot of financial flexibility going forward to take advantage of whatever kind of market environments we encounter. So long answer, but I guess it comes back to what I said in the beginning, which is it's a balance.

Great. I appreciate that. Thank you.

We'll go next to Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hi, guys. On the credit side, if we can, I mean, you added a couple, a few more names to non-accrual, but a couple of those weren't new, right? I mean, PRG and KBS had defaulted before and been restructured, and now they're back. So can you, is it, those are obviously kind of club deals. Is it getting because you've got a really good track record of doing this, but is it getting harder to restructure a club asset correctly the first time? Or is there anything systematic in there? Because it's relatively unusual for you guys to have an asset that gets restructured and then becomes a problem again. Any comment on that?

Yeah, I appreciate the question, Robert, and you're absolutely right. Interestingly, a couple of those names, we added, by the way, you know, a handful of names, a little less than a handful of names to the non-accruals. And yes, a couple of those names had been restructured, so a little bit unusual. But I would say I don't think there's anything to read into there. It's not really about the club nature of those transactions. It's really about the underlying companies. And I guess what I would say about the increase in non-accruals is it's obviously something we're paying close attention to, but I would say that there are really not any underlying trends within these handful of names that we added that we can really discern that would tell us there's you know, any pockets of the economy that are showing certain weakness relative to other pockets. Obviously, we're always looking for those kinds of trends in our portfolio. And when we see a little bit of a tick up like this, it gets our attention. But they're really just idiosyncratic factors that are affecting each. So, I don't know that I'd read too much into it. The non-accrual number can bounce around a bit quarter to quarter and has, you know, back over the last, you know, many quarters. And on an absolute basis, it's still at a pretty low level and below our historical averages and the industry averages. So it's not really something that's giving us a lot of concern at this point, but certainly we're paying close attention to it.

Got it. Got it. Thank you. And then one more, if I can, not technically a follow-up. On Ivy Hill, you injected some more crapple into Ivy Hill this quarter. Is that part of just kind of the long-term growth plan, or was that opportunistic given – the volatility in the liquid loan markets that obviously we saw in Q2?

Yeah, good question. It is just part of the long-term growth plan, normal course. We did take a little bit of a pause on selling assets, you know, for a few quarters prior to this one, but for that reason, we felt like it was the right time to sell some more assets. Again, part of our policy, normal course, IHAMS is strategic. vehicle and they have demand for assets and it felt like a good time to sell some assets down. So really nothing, nothing specifically opportunistic about the fact that we did this quarter versus prior quarter. Got it. Thank you.

We'll go next to Aaron Saganovich with Truist. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Thanks. You mentioned that in the activity that you're seeing recently has been a little bit more skewed to the upper middle market, which makes sense given the volatility. But as you talk about the activity in the pipeline looking pretty strong for the second half, are you seeing that broaden out into the core and lower middle market as well?

Yeah. Sorry about that. Yes, we are seeing it broaden out. for sure across all different types and sizes of companies. Again, one of our, I think, big advantages is the broad origination, and you'll see us move around a bit based on the opportunities that we're finding in the market, and it's interesting. 2022 and 2023, we moved up market significantly when there was dislocation. Then we kind of broadened back out. And you look at the average EBITDA of our new borrowers that we'll bring into the portfolio, that's kind of come down through 2024. We moved a little bit more down market this quarter. The average EBITDA kicked back up again a little bit. But if you look at the pipeline and the post-quarter end commitments, it is more broad-based, which, again, is another signed to us that suggests there, you know, should be some nice momentum going into the second half of the year.

Got it. And I just want to follow up on the leverage question. I certainly understand and appreciate, you know, balancing the equity issuance, et cetera. The leverage, you know, it's not at an extremely low level, but it is lower than what typical peers would have. You know, is there a, you know, is there a specific reason that you're, you know, at that level, just the broader volatility in the global economy? You know, just curious as to what would give you a little bit more confidence to raise that up a little bit. And I'm not saying a lot, just, you know, one or two, something like that.

David Morgan No, I understand. I understand. Look, it's, yeah, we have our stated range of 0.9 to 1.25. And so it's, you know, a little bit toward the lower bound of that range. You know, I think we feel great about the fact that we're well covering the dividend and delivering nice, stable results while keeping that leverage level toward the lower end of the range because I think it does, as you pointed out in the question, give us a lot of flexibility going forward to capitalize if, there is a pickup in transaction activity or more volatility that might provide an opportunity to take advantage of better terms in the market um so uh actually i can kind of like the fact that we're operating with this amount of flexibility and it's just another lever that we would have uh to you know help earnings um to the extent that we need it but we don't really We don't really need it right now, and I think it puts us in a nice spot. So, you know, obviously transaction volume was a little bit slow. It's not like we are managing the business to this leverage level. It just kind of happens to be where we're ending up, and we kind of quite like it.

Okay. All right. Thank you.

We'll go next to Casey Alexander with CompassPoint. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hi. I appreciate your commentary about spreads. I'm sorry, I must be failing my piano lessons. I appreciate your commentary about spreads. I'm wondering, you're getting a little bit better pipeline fill, is it your view that you know, a real and dynamic increase in deal activity would help push spreads out to a little bit more attractive levels? Or is there just so much capacity out there that it's really hard for spreads to make much of a move? Matt Lowrie Yeah, look, the laws of supply and demand would suggest that if more deal flow comes into the market, you know, spreads should widen modestly. I guess I would say I don't think we're unhappy with where spreads are. You have to look at total yields, and with base rates being where they are now, and then you combine upfronts, fees, and spreads, we're earning high single digits on lower levered first and senior assets, unit tranches, and low double digits on, low to mid double digits even on junior debt assets. And so the course of history, those are pretty good total absolute returns. Historically, it's been the case that, you know, Spreads move around if, you know, if base rates come down, spreads widen. Base rates go up, spreads can tighten. They kind of move against each other, and that creates some balance. So I guess I would just, you know, again, say we're not, we feel like this is a good investing environment. And also, if you look at leverage levels that exist in our current portfolio and where we're investing new assets, they've been very stable over the last several quarters. And, you know, not anywhere near, uh the high end of our historical range of where we're investing in new leverage levels so on a risk adjusted return basis we feel pretty good um but yes uh certainly you know we're hopeful that more transaction activity you know could could lead to some spread widening um but you know hard to hard to predict uh thanks for that uh just a maintenance question And I'm sorry if I missed this. I had a couple of distractions. But a pretty good jump in dividend income quarter over quarter. Was there any one time in that? Or was that just based upon growth of the vehicles?

David Lamont Wilson Yeah, it speaks to the question. It's a mix. I mean, we definitely had a little bit of increases from the recurring portion of the portfolio, but there also was a non-recurring portion as well, which, you know, does tend to happen on occasion. That's what drove that.

Male Speaker 1 Do you have, you know, about how much was that non-recurring? Male Speaker 2 About $10 million of it. Male Speaker 1 Okay, great. Thank you. We're just coming off of our equity co-investment portfolio. Every now and then, you know, we get dividends on those equity co-investments.

All right. Thank you.

We'll go next to Kenneth Lee with RBC Capital Markets. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. As you look across your pipeline of potential originations there, and it sounds like you've been seeing a lot more of the upper end of the segment more recently, how do the relative pricing and returns for the smaller scale or more core segments middle-market segment compared to the upper? Are you seeing more attractive returns in any particular segment? I just want to get a little bit more color around that. Thanks.

Male Speaker 3 Yeah. It's not just spread and yield. It's also leverage levels. You know, and I would say, you know, it's a spectrum, right? As you get into smaller companies, leverage levels are generally a bit lower and spreads are generally a bit wider. I don't want to get too specific on terms because it is a range and don't want to mislead in any way, but maybe generally would say you're seeing probably 50 basis points, if not more, incremental yield. on sort of smaller-sized companies versus larger-sized companies. But again, the leverage levels can also be several turns lower, turns of EBITDA lower than what we're seeing in comparable large-cap companies. So, that's kind of how I'd try to answer the question.

Male Speaker 1 Okay. Very helpful there. And just one quick follow-up, if I may. In terms of the equity co-investments, the exits, I presume they were not driven by ARIES Capital. They were not discretionary. I just want to double-check that. And to the extent that they have any visibility, is there any potential outlook for further equity realizations, or is it primarily driven by the sponsors? Thanks.

definitely primarily driven by the sponsors. Not a lot of control that we have. We're not, obviously, in the control equity business. So, they are a little bit sporadic. But if you look over a long period of time, obviously, that's been a huge differentiator for us in our strategy of building that diversified portfolio so that we can offset our losses with gains. In terms of looking forward, comment or get really too much forward-looking guidance around what to expect going forward sorry sorry for that okay gotcha very helpful there thanks again we'll go next to Melissa Waddell with JP Morgan your light is open please go ahead

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. Just to follow up on a couple of things, I wanted to go back to the comments made about the impact of tariffs on portfolio companies. Are you still estimating a roughly mid-single-digit exposure across the portfolio to companies that could be impacted by tariffs sort of before any mitigating factors?

Yeah, glad you asked. Melissa, it's actually, you know, I think we're feeling better this quarter than we were last quarter. So we spent a lot of time. If you remember last quarter, it was all fresh and we were kind of reacting pretty quickly. But we spent a lot of time through the quarter speaking to all of our impacted portfolio companies, understanding their ability to mitigate the tariffs via pricing actions or moving manufacturing or other measures and I think our portfolio companies feel quite good about being able to pass through pricing. People are starting also to look into moving manufacturing, although that hasn't really started yet in any material way. I think people are still waiting to see where the final tariff rates shake out. But the visibility these companies have into the mitigating actions feel pretty good. And I guess I should also mention there have been some new tariffs that have come out, obviously, and there's a lot of change still going on, but in some of these specific sectors with steel and whatnot. And we've looked into our portfolios, and we really don't have a lot of exposure to those types of sectors and materials. We're investing in mainly service-oriented businesses. So we're happy to say that actually the high-risk names, In our portfolio, we think now are a low single-digit percentage of the portfolio relative to the mid-single-digit that we talked about last quarter.

Okay. Thanks for that update. And then just to clarify, it sounds like some of the price increases are happening already?

Starting to a little bit. Obviously, the tariffs, you know, there was a pause on a lot of the tariffs and the of them are just starting to flow through now but um i think what we found is that our companies have reached out to their customers and had discussions about pending price increases and are feeling relatively good about the responses they're getting um so you know i don't know if it's actually like broad-based actions that have been pushed through yet um but you know kind of just starting now got it thank you

And my last question, I wanted to follow up on the capital injection or the additional investment into IHAM. I also noted that one of the comments in the deck about exited investments post-quarter end included a sizable amount in the subordinated loan, the IHAM. So I'm just curious how we reconcile those two, the flows into Ivy Hill this quarter and then apparently out of the subloan in 3Q.

Yeah, so we do have a, Just as a reminder, we have a subordinate loan with Ivy Hill that sometimes uses effectively as a working capital line for Ivy Hill. And so we use that to put capital in there, and then they were able to send some of the proceeds back to us post-quarter end.

Okay, got it. Thank you.

Yeah, is that clear? I mean, it's similar to equity, just more recycled. It allows us to recycle.

Yep, makes sense. And as a reminder, if you'd like to ask a question today, you may do so by pressing star 1. We'll go next to Sean Paul Adams with B. Reilly Securities. Your line is open. Please go ahead.

Hey, guys. Good afternoon. Touching back on Ivy Hill, it seemed there was a slight shift in the gross commitments portion for first-ling loans, which I'm guessing is largely a reflection of So, it was just an allocation rebalancing. But when you are looking at the balance of Ivy Hill, will there be more of a long-term shift in the target asset classes to balance the growth targets, or a change in the target for first lien?

No, Ivy Hill has a first lien investment strategy, and that will continue to be the focus. the primary thrust of their strategy. We really don't anticipate any strategic changes.

Got it. Thank you.

This concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Court Schnabel for any closing remarks.

No closing remarks. Thanks, everybody, for joining, and we'll talk to you next quarter.

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