Arm Holdings plc

Thank you and welcome to our first quarter fiscal 27 earnings call. On the call are Rene Haas, Arms Chief Executive Officer and Jason Child, Arms Chief Financial Officer. Today's call contains forward-looking information about the company and its financial results. While these statements represent our best current judgment, our business is subjected to many risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. Important risk factors that may affect our business and future financial results are described in our annual report on Form 20F filed with the SEC. Arm assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements. We will also refer to non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of these non-GAAP financial measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures can be found in our shareholder letter. As can a discussion of certain projected non-GAAP financial measures that we are not able to reconcile without unreasonable efforts and supplemental financial information. Our earnings material are available at investors.arm.com and with that I'll turn the call over to Rene.

Thank you Ian and welcome everyone. Arm delivered a record first quarter and a strong start to fiscal 2027. Our results reflect growing demand for the Arm Compute platform as AI expands across cloud infrastructure, edge devices, and the physical world. Revenue reached $1.29 billion, up 22% year over year, driven by record first quarter licensing and royalty revenue. Royalty revenue grew 22% to $715 million. Licensing revenue grew 23% to $574 million, and non-GAAP EPS increased 29% to 45 cents above the high end of our guidance. AI is changing where and how compute happens. We're seeing that in the data center where the transition to ARM continues to accelerate. And we're seeing it beyond the data center as AI expands into PCs, smartphones and physical AI applications. Across each of these markets, customers are increasingly standardizing on the ARM compute platform. These trends are the driving demand for the ARM AGI CPU. We introduced the ARM AGI CPU in March to give customers another way to deploy the ARM compute platform. Since that time, we've made significant progress. Initial product has now been delivered to multiple customers, and we have secured the manufacturing capacity needed to support the $1 billion opportunity we outlined last quarter across fiscal 2027 and fiscal 2028. Demand now exceeds $2 billion as we continue to add new customers, including multiple customers in the US and China, while the overall value of our pipeline has continued to strengthen. We're also working closely with our manufacturing and supply chain partners to expand capacity. Our confidence in achieving upside to our $1 billion opportunity for the ArmAGI CPU business has increased in the past 90 days. This momentum is part of a much broader shift already taking place across their NeoVerse business. Data center royalties more than doubled year over year once again as adoption of Arm NeoVerse continues to expand. The pace at which Arm is becoming the CPU foundation for AI infrastructure is accelerating. Arm NeoVerse shipments have now surpassed 1.5 billion cores with most recent 500 million shipping in just the last nine months. where the first one billion took six years. The world's leading AI infrastructure providers continue to validate that trend. NVIDIA has now brought VERA into production. Built on ARM, VERA delivers up to 50% higher CPU performance and two times greater energy efficiency than comparable x86 systems and will serve as the CPU foundation for NVIDIA's next generation AI infrastructure. Google has stated that its ARM-based Axion CPU is a core component of its AI infrastructure strategy and the host CPU for its latest TPU AI systems. AWS announced plans to deploy tens of millions of Graviton 5 cores to power authentic AI workloads. Microsoft expanded Azure Cobalt 200 virtual machines built on ARM Neoverse CSS. Additionally, Qualcomm has also announced plans to enter the AI data center CPU market with ARM-based Dragonfly C1000. Each of these companies is approaching AI infrastructure differently, but they're all moving the same direction. ARM-based CPUs are becoming central to next generation AI infrastructure. IDC reported that spending on ARM-based accelerated server platforms has nearly doubled in the past two quarters and has now surpassed x86 platforms. We're witnessing both the rapid expansion of AI infrastructure and ARM's growing role within it. Our opportunity extends well beyond the data center. As AI moves into production, customers are increasingly focused on the economics of deploying AI at scale. Whether AI runs across the cloud, the edge or ultimately the physical world, Efficient compute is becoming just as important as model capability. Bringing AI closer to where data is created improves performance, reduces latency, enhances privacy, and lowers infrastructure costs. This is where ARM has always differentiated itself. The result is a new generation of computing devices spanning into two distinct categories. Efficient AI PCs designed for mobility and more powerful agentic systems capable of running sophisticated models locally. NVIDIA introduced RTX Spark, the first agentic PC built on ARM's compute subsystems, enabling sophisticated AI agents and larger AI models which can run locally. For on-the-go AI PCs, those same OEMs continue expanding the Windows on ARM ecosystem with new Snapdragon-powered AI PCs, While Google's continued investment in AI-enabled Chromebooks is broadening access to on-device AI. As AI drives the transition to the next generation of personal computing, arms opportunity continues to grow across an expanding range of AI-enabled devices. The same economics extends to the physical world. Vehicles, robots, industrial systems, and autonomous machines increasingly rely on efficient, secure, and real-time ARM-based compute to sense, reason and act autonomously. NVIDIA recently expanded its physical AI platform with Cosmos 3 and the Isaac Groot humanoid robotics platform powered by Justin Thor, which combines an ARM-based CPU with NVIDIA Blackwell GPU. ARM's software ecosystem continues to expand and now supports more than 22 million developers worldwide. During the quarter, ARM introduced Performix with support from Microsoft, MongoDB, Redis, and SAP, helping developers and AI agents analyze and optimize workloads running on ARM-based infrastructure. We also expanded our AI developer tools, including the ARM MCP server, which has surpassed 10,000 Docker downloads and integrates ARM's expertise into leading AI developer environments. From cloud infrastructure to PCs and physical AI, developers can build on the same ARM architecture and software ecosystem. Customers can deploy ARM through IP, compute subsystems or silicon, depending on what best fits your business. But in every case, they're building on the same ARM compute platform, software ecosystem and developer community. As AI becomes part of every cloud, every device and every sector, The industry is increasingly converging on a common compute platform. We believe that convergence will define the next decade of computing. AI is changing where and how compute happens, and ARM is at the center of it. With that, I'll turn it over to Jason.

Thank you, Rene. We have started fiscal year 27 with another strong quarter, delivering the highest first quarter revenue in our history. Total revenue grew 22% year-on-year to $1.29 billion. Royalty revenue grew 22% year-on-year to $715 million, also our highest ever figure for Q1. Once again, the largest driver of royalty growth was Cloud AI. Data center royalty revenue continues to more than double year-on-year, reflecting our sustained momentum across the market. This is being driven by the continued ramp of ARM-based server chips at all the major hyperscalers, alongside increasing deployments of data center networking chips, particularly DPUs and SmartNICs where Arm technology is deployed in nearly all leading products. Edge AI royalty revenue continues to grow despite a soft end market in smartphones. We continue to benefit from higher royalty rates as Arm B9 and compute subsystems continue to increase their penetration into smartphones, tablets, and other consumer electronic devices. These drivers more than offset the decline in smartphone sales due to higher memory prices. Physical AI also made a strong contribution to royalty growth, supported by the continued secular expansion of ADAS and autonomous systems built on ARM technology. Turning now to licensing. License and other revenue was $574 million of 23% year on year, also a record for Q1. Growth was driven by strong demand for next-generation architectures and deeper strategic engagements with key customers. This quarter, we signed multiple high-value agreements as existing customers renewed long-term licenses. Some of the world's largest hyperscalers, automotive and robotics companies, and handset OEMs all secured access to Arm's future roadmap for their next generation of products. Of the $574 million of license revenue, Our agreement with SoftBank for technology licensing and design services contributed $193 million. We expect a quarterly run rate for the rest of the year to be around $200 million. As always, licensing revenue varies quarter to quarter due to timing and size of high value deals. So we continue to focus on annualized contract value, or ACV, as a key indicator of the underlying licensing trend. ACV grew 13% year on year, maintaining strong momentum. This continues to be above our long-term expectations for license revenue growth. As Rene mentioned, customer demand for ARM AGI CPU remains very strong. In this quarter, even more customers have wanted to place orders with us. We've secured the manufacturing capacity needed to support the initial $1 billion opportunity, and we have made progress to secure additional supplies, as well as optimizing our customer mix and commercial terms. Our confidence in achieving more than $1 billion has increased in the past 90 days. We will provide an update at our Q3 results, which is when we will have better visibility of Q4 27 and fiscal 28. Turning to operating expenses and profits. Non-GAAP operating expense was $733 million of 18% year on year due to the ongoing R&D investment. This was about $27 million below our guidance due to timing as our spending plan for the year remains largely unchanged. We are expanding our engineering teams to support increasing customer demand while advancing the technologies that will underpin future growth, including next generation architectures, compute subsystems, and the R&D AGICP product family. Non-GAAP operating income was $531 million, resulting in a non-GAAP operating margin of about 41% of 200 basis points year-on-year. Non-GAAP EPS was 45 cents, driven by both higher revenue and slightly lower optics than expected. More importantly, even at these elevated levels of investment, we generated free cash flow of $665 million a quarter and $1.4 billion over the trailing 12 months, giving us the flexibility to continue to invest long-term growth. Turning now to guidance. For Q2, we expect revenue of $1.38 billion, plus or minus $50 million. At the midpoint, this represents revenue growth of about 22% year on year. We expect license and other revenue to be up about 30% year on year, and royalty revenue to be up in the low teens year on year. We expect our non-GAAP operating expense to be approximately $780 million, and our non-GAAP EPS to be $0.47, plus or minus $0.04. Looking ahead, we continue to see strong customer demand across our business. Combined with the expansion of our technology portfolio and deepening strategic customer relationships, this gives us confidence in our long-term growth outlook. With that, I'll turn the call back to the operator for Q&A.

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Yeah, thanks for taking the questions. Maybe just first, can you give us a little bit more detail on just the confidence that's increased in terms of the upside to the $1 billion for AGI revenue? Is there any clarity you can provide us Is it a better way for supply customers getting access to memory? Any help there?

Yeah, I'll take that question. I think in general, it's all of the above. If I look back to the call we had 90 days ago, we had committed to supply of a billion dollars. We talked about demand pipeline of $2 billion, and we were working to secure supply for that delta between one and two. 90 days later the demand picture has even gotten better as Jason mentioned north of two billion dollars but our ability to secure that supply for the north of one billion dollars our confidence has increased in the last 90 days and i would say it's across all of those areas making a chip is complex relative to supply chain you have wafers you have substrates you have test capacity you have memory and all of those areas Our confidence level and being able to secure the supply necessary has gotten better. And that's the commentary we're getting at this time.

And maybe just as a follow up to that, I mean, you know, on top of the extra above billion dollars of AGI revenue that you now think you can do, how do we think about the gross margin structure relative to kind of what you were thinking about for the original billion dollars?

Yeah, no change at this time. We said that, I think last quarter, we said there was probably going to be somewhere in the high 30% range, maybe low 40s for the first generation for really in Q4 of this year, as well as for next year. As over the next couple of years, we do expect to get to 50%, but that's going to basically just And I think that's going to entail us actually bringing more of some of the work that maybe Inesic has helped us with the past and bring some of that work in-house. So that'll probably take a couple years. Those are initial expectations, so no real change from last quarter. Obviously, you know, with some of the price increases and things that have happened, How to digest those and what needs to affect our pricing. So those are some of the things that we're going to work through. And as I said in my prepared remarks, we'll provide a much more detailed update for both the revenue and margin profile before we go into Q4. So we'll do that at the end of Q3. Thank you.

Thank you. We will now take the next question. And the question comes from the line of Sebastian Nagy from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Thank you and good afternoon. My question is on the smartphone market. Because of the much higher memory cost, handset OEMs are absorbing meaningfully more BOM inflation. They're starting to raise prices. I think given that smartphone royalties remain a significant portion of your overall royalty base, Can you maybe just talk a little bit about what you're seeing in terms of unit demand and mix and how this impacts your royalty revenue outlook for the fiscal year?

Yeah, so I think the first part of the question, I'll let Jason talk about some of the details around the numbers. Generally speaking, we have been somewhat isolated from the negative growth of the smartphone market because of the fact that we have moved the vast majority of the customers to v9. In some cases, and in some cases the second version of CSS. And what that's all contributed to has been an increase in royalty growth. So whereas the smartphone market has been going, projected to be down by some level of double digits, we are projecting a double digit growth in royalty in the smartphone market. Vis-a-vis exactly how that translates to the forward guidance and forecast, I'll let Jason go in some more color.

Yeah, I think, you know, There's obviously others that are reporting this week and key partners that we'll learn more from. But when we look at our forecast, we mostly try to look at the industry projections across the entire industry. IGC is, of course, one of the things that we look at. And then, of course, we update for partner mix where we have slightly different royalties based on whether it's CSS or B9 or B8 or et cetera. So when we add all that together, we have seen You know, some, some incremental slowdowns versus what was expected at the beginning of the year. And I think the new piece was initially the expectation was just going to affect the lower end of the market. And now we are seeing, you know, all parts of the market, even some upper and mid tier being affected. And so that's, that's maybe an incremental incremental for us. So as a result, I would say, I think going into the year, we probably thought we were, I think we said last quarter that we're expecting somewhere around 20% year-on-year for the next few years in royalties, including this year. Right now, if I had to guess, that's probably somewhere closer to the high teens right now, but hard to say until we learn more about the next couple of quarters. I'd say right now, you know we do think royalties will come down a bit uh in this next quarter we got into uh kind of the the low to mid teams um for q2 and uh we'll give you a better update next quarter um but i think the one thing i would make sure you don't lose sight of is the good news is the over performance that we've been seeing in cloud ai uh continues to help offset that and so while there is weakness on the smartphone side the over performance on the cloud AI business continues to accelerate. And that's the piece that gives us confidence in full year and next year's numbers. But again, we'll give you more updates over the next couple quarters.

Great. Okay. That's very helpful. I appreciate all the color.

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Hi, everybody. Thanks for taking my question. You highlighted maybe a little bit of upside to the demand profile for the next two years, 2 billion plus, I think to paraphrase. but what about the demand pipeline for the out years fiscal year 29 through 31 and I assume you know the 15 billion in projected AGI revenue expected for 31 contemplates all the supply chain related headwinds that's a that's a supply served revenue correct?

Yeah I'll let Jason comment further in terms of any forward looking comments he wants to make but I'll say what is What has changed since March is that, to your point, clearly supply is an issue across a number of different factors. The outlook that we gave at that time was based upon our view of the supply picture. On the flip side, we did say at that event that the CPU TAM we thought was about $100 billion in those outer years. Going back, you may recall that prior to that, most folks were talking about a number around 50 to 60. So when we talked about the $100 billion number in March, there was some surprise around it, and there was a lot of back and forth in terms of justifying that number. Since that time, a number of my peers have talked about numbers quite a bit bigger than that, in some cases up to $200 billion. I think all of that is really being driven by the increase of overall compute capacity, which will be inference-based. And all of that inference-based compute is going to largely be running agentic workloads. And the agentic workloads are essentially capacity constrained in terms of throughput by the number of CPUs you have. So as inference demand goes up, which it clearly is, and as agentic demand goes up as it clearly is, that means an increase in CPU demand. We're not changing the numbers at all, but there are a lot of indicators that the numbers that we talked about back in March relative to our view of the TAM may have been conservative. Jason, do you want to add anything to that?

Yeah, I think in general, as Rene said, yeah, the TAM back when we did the event, when we took it up to $100 billion, we said $100 billion plus. Obviously, it's gone up to I think now the most recent estimate is $220 billion, depending on from a variety of sources. So I think our expectation is if you flow through the same kind of market share that we were expecting at 100, could it be much higher if in fact the market's at 200 plus? Well, certainly it could be. The constraints over the next couple of years, so let's say for us, FY27 or calendar 26 or FY28, which is I guess calendar 27, supply chain is pretty tight. And so we're You know, maybe there's an upside to get to this 2 billion or 2 billion plus and we'll provide updates on that and over the next couple of quarters. But to go beyond that, the supply chain is going to loosen or at least expand quite a bit as we get it into calendar 28 and 29 or for us, FY 29 and 30. Right now, if you look at waiver capacity and memory capacity, you know you probably know as well as I do I think there's estimates that the capacity is going up somewhere between 70 to 100 depending on your assumptions on wafer and some of the different partners that can help there and even more so on the memory side so our expectations are you know there's certainly this potential to beat the number that we give it externally certainly internally we do have higher targets but but until we start to see the supply chain capacity come online, we're mostly focused on just trying to get to the $2 billion number next year and we'll provide updates of course later as we learn more.

Thank you. Our next question today comes from the line of Tom O'Malley from Barclays. Please go ahead.

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Last week AMD hosted an analyst day and talked about a $220 billion attainment by the end of the decade and kind of underneath that the largest contributor was agentic AI that kind of laid out traditional CPU, they laid out head nodes and then agentic applications. So I was curious when you look at your silicon business longer term where do you see that fitting in is that going to cover all three of those sub buckets in your early wins and your early pipeline is there one way that that's leaning or another just would like to get a flavor of what you foresee for that silicon business yeah and I'm sorry could you could you repeat those three categories so I make sure I've got the definitions right yeah traditional server and then you have head nodes and then you have a Gentech application

Got it. Yeah, our Arm AGI CPU is going to play in all three. When we talked about the customers that we had signed up back at the Arm Everywhere event, we had folks like Cerebrus and OpenAI, which were largely around head node type applications. We also talked about Meta and Cloudflare, which are around agentic applications, but also general purpose server. We've also just talked about OCI Oracle. So the ARM AGICPU is a very good fit for all of those to be quite candid, which is why we are very, very optimistic about the demand and We did talk about quite a number of customers that day and we were very specific about inside the cloud, the agentic workloads. It's a pretty broad term because the agents are running through the head node, but they're also running through the general purpose racks that sit inside the data center. So short answer is those three categories that you defined as described earlier, the RMA GI CPU is a great fit for all three and we have customers in all three.

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Vivek Arya from Bank of America. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my question. I had a near and a long-term question on your AGI CPU. Near term, I'm very curious, what is preventing ARM from securing supply for just one more billion? I mean, it's a $50 billion supply. and a number of foundries who can make it. So I'm just curious what is preventing ARM from getting that extra billion a year from now. And then longer term, Rene, when I look at the three players that have ARM-based CPUs in AI, whether it's NVIDIA or Amazon or Google, they each have their proprietary accelerators also, which are often co-designed with the CPU. So don't you think that restricts So let's take both parts of that question, Jason, you can add on.

I'm glad you think a billion dollars is not a big number. There are a lot of folks just trying to secure extra supply up to $50 million. It is a very, very tight market across everything. Whether it's memory, whether it's test equipment, whether it's substrates, whether it's TSMC wafers, it's a very, very, very tight world. I think even my compatriots who are in the CPU business for a living and have their own fabs have not been able to supply the demand. So we are more optimistic than we were 90 days ago, which is great. Demand has increased, but we feel better about the supply side. On the proprietary accelerators, if I understood your question correctly, a couple of proof points that that is an area that we can certainly play in. First off, at Google, they have used Axion as an interface into their TPUs away from x86. So clearly there's a space for ARM to exist with custom accelerators. If your question was around the ARM AGI CPU specifically, There has been some announcements made by NVIDIA about NVLink Fusion. And it's a very interesting platform approach where they're offering a mix and match where you could take a Vero CPU and plug it into a proprietary accelerator, or you could take a CPU made by someone else in the ARM family and connect it into a Ruben accelerator. So we don't have anything to announce around that today. But there are absolutely paths for ARM to connect to custom accelerators, whether it's through a self-hosted design done internally and or connecting to something like Ambient Lake Fusion.

Thank you. So our next question today comes from the line of BJ Rakesh from Mizuho. Please go ahead.

Yeah, hey, Rene and Jason. Good to hear you guys got some capacity on the agentic AI CPU side. I was wondering when you look at your agentic AI CPUs, are they mostly in the 128 core? I know core count is important. So are you looking at when do you expect the next 192 or 256 core CPUs coming out and if any color on the ASIC side as well? And for Jason, do you expect to start breaking out the silicon side of revenues, the CPU side? Because that seems to be becoming bigger and bigger, I guess. Thanks.

Yeah, so thank you for the question. On the product side, nothing to tell you specifically today about the roadmap and where we're going with that. So the ARM HCI CPU today is a 128 core-based design. instances in the market using ARM that are better or actually greater number of cores and that's Graviton5 which is 192 cores certainly the direction of travel is more cores and the reason for that is for running agentic workloads more cores is a better outcome because the software overhead is simpler you can run virtual machines or virtual jobs on single cores and they're going to be much more efficient in terms of throughput. So while I don't have anything to talk about today in terms of the roadmap and the core count, it's not a stretch to think that the next generation designs are going to have more and more cores because that's clearly the direction of travel. I'll let Jason comment on the second part of the question.

Yeah, on the revenue breakout, well, first, as soon as we start shipping, which will be at the end of this year, that's the first milestone. And then once it becomes at least 10% of revenue, we'll break it out separately as a third line. Thank you. Your next question today comes from the line of Charles Xu from Needham and Company. Please go ahead. Hi. Thanks for taking my question.

Jason I think if I hear correctly you are talking about maybe royalty revenue growth this year instead of 20 percent probably going to be high teens because of all the things happening in the smartphone incremental weakness etc. Anything we should be looking at at the moment let's say on the licensing side that can can show up with a little bit upside to offset the incremental weakness on the royalty side. And maybe on that topic, what's the early view? Maybe FYE 29, which is largely CY 28. And do you think a 20% royalty is still a good number? And I want to get some thoughts there. Thank you.

yeah in terms of guidance for Q2 we you know we did uh lower i think maybe what we what our expectations were a couple quarters ago we didn't guide to it but i think our expectations were they were going to be a little higher um and so we're now guiding to 13 royalty growth in q2 but then we also increased our license growth so overall on a combined basis we're actually ahead of where we'd expect it to be i would expect similar trends for the rest of the year and that is any Thank you for joining us today. you know some of our partners like Google with their Axian as it's growing with all the the new TPU deployments certainly Amazon and then certainly with Vera at NVIDIA, Amazon with Graviton and then you know we have other hyperscalers that are also exceeding their their plans so and and increasing their their trajectory and their velocity so so there is certainly some some possible upsides on royalties throughout the year but if I had to say right now I would not expect there to be weakness across the overall business. It just might be some weakness in the smartphone side of the business. And we'll just have to wait and see how the Cloud AI business, you know, if it's able to overcome all of it or just some of it. We'll have to update you as we go later in the year. And then in terms of 29, sorry, 28 and 29, uh yeah i think the 20 plus royalty growth that we provided uh i think that's very much still intact the the things that are happening right now you know the only real weakness in royalties is really on the smartphone side in particular to some of the memory issues there um and while you know they're they're certainly having a tough year this year i think most of the partners that we talked to seem to think that you know the there's going to be stronger recovery in the back half of the year uh and so i would expect that the year-on-year growth rates by next year should be kind of back in line as we start to lap some of these challenges and then of course as we continue to see the AI deployments continue to grow at the level they have been that we should be able to again be in that 20 range next year and beyond.

Thank you. Our next question today From the line of Chris Sanka from TD Cowan, please go ahead.

Hi, thanks for taking my question. This is Stephen calling on behalf of Chris. Rene, I had a question on low-cost AI models. Just with the recent cycle of headlines around low-cost AI, whether from China or elsewhere, do you see the proliferation of low-cost AI being a net positive or negative for your AGI CPU franchise, given your market positioning? and also if you could also walk us through how low cost AI might be a pro or con for your IP business, like for both data center and the edge side of things. Thank you.

Yeah, thank you for the question. I'm going to presume that when you say low cost AI, you're referring to open source models, open weights, et cetera. If the world moves to something that's more open source based, AKA Open Waste. For us, I think it's somewhere between a net neutral to a net positive. And I start with net neutral from the perspective of we're somewhat agnostic relative to whether it's a closed frontier model or an open source model. Those models all require CPUs. They all require the IP that we deliver for people to build custom chips. So whether it's an opportunity for ARM AGI CPU, or the IP or compute subsystems. We're gonna be required independent of what those models are. Just frankly, just given the nature of the workloads that need to get run, they're kind of independent of the hardware underneath it. You need CPUs to run agents, whether that's open source or closed source. There's a very interesting argument about to be made relative to the potential of those open source models being much more differentiated, smaller, more efficient, that could run in different edge footprints. If that were to happen, it would be a great thing for Arm, just given the footprint that we have in smaller edge devices. Right now, the most sophisticated models that are the closed models, all are literally 100% cloud-based. The RTX I think the spark that was announced is a very interesting product where you could potentially run some smaller models locally. I think open source has traditionally shown that whether it's in this area or any other software domain, widely broadens the choice relative to how you run different things. In other words, open source leads to higher innovation and differentiation. So I think it's either neutral to a positive depending on where it goes at the edges, but Probably the most important thing to remember about ARM, and it applies here as well, is we're pretty agnostic to the top layer. All of that will need to run on our CPUs and our IP.

Thank you. We will now take our final question for today. And our final question comes from the line of Tim Schulte-Melanda from Rothschild & Co. Please go ahead.

Yeah, great. Thanks for taking my questions. I had to, one was a more kind of operational question, maybe, maybe for Jason, just talking about the timing and the sequential quarter to quarter cadence of R&D. You talked about how it'd come in, you know, below your expectations. And I just wonder maybe if you could talk about how that kind of comes to pass. Is it kind of a milestone based thing? and that maybe they're not met and so that the cost slips a quarter or two. Is it a capitalization issue? What are the things that dictate the timing of R&D cost in the P&L? And then I had a quick follow up on the CPU.

Sure. So with OpEx, you know, we did come in a little bit lower. When it comes to OpEx, you have to break out R&D. You have to break it down into really two buckets. So you have the people or developer costs and then you have the tools that they're using which is typically you know emulation cloud spend etc and so in this last quarter you know we did come in a little bit below and that would be more not on the on the people side because that was pretty much right in line i would say it was really more on kind of the the tools uh that were utilized and and necessary versus what our forecast was so i think for the most part you should think about kind of banking that savings that we delivered in q1 and then going forward our estimates I think are pretty similar maybe a little bit lower so overall you know again you can bank the savings from q1 and then assume that for us they are just at a high level it's going to grow by kind of mid single digit percentage quarter on quarter the the overall effects and and the the things that can move it's less around the total number of engineers because that number is is one that we're we can forecast and we're pretty consistent with it's really just about What is the tool of utilization that's necessary? And so certainly with things like emulation and cloud spend, that's going to flex a little bit based on what are we learning on the latest developments and do we need to increase some of our testing or are we kind of done? And so as a result, we're getting better and better at forecasting this, but it does move around a little bit because we've really only been doing this now for the last year or two. and so I would expect our brands probably to get smaller going forward.

Got it, got it. And then just to circle back on the AGI CPU conversion of customer engagement and interest and as you've described being able to kind of bring that across the Rubicon and book it as a firm order. Just wanted to understand and just kind of circle back to confirm What we're talking about here. So we're talking about maybe early calendar 27 as you as you come into the December court report that you should have more visibility. And I guess one of the things I'm just thinking about is, is, is there a concern or is it possible or probable that you get into a kind of golden screw type situation that you've got 99% covered, but because there's tightness, you're missing one small component that could Thank you. If I may answer your question is as we get closer to fulfilling the demand for the product, is there still some risk at the 11th hour that

One critical component that we haven't secured could tip the whole thing over. No, there's not a concern of that. We are very confident in terms of partners you're working with. We have a very good understanding of their capabilities and their upside capabilities. So there isn't one single point of failure to your point of the 1% that could cause an issue.

Thank you. This concludes today's Q&A. I will now hand back to Rene for closing remarks.

Thank you. The quarter for us is really a tale of two stories. One is the core business itself, the IP business, continues to perform extremely well. A record first quarter and we are guiding ahead of expectations as Jason had mentioned. and our results were beyond expectations. The growth is really being driven by the data center. Arm continues to increase its market share and we have many key customers now shipping Neoverse cores, which as I mentioned before, have now surpassed 1.5 billion. But we also now have our new business, the Arm AGI CPU business, which we just announced back in March. The confidence level we have In the success of that product only continues to increase And as we talked about the demand is greater than what we shared 90 days ago And at the same time our confidence to fulfill that demand has also increased so all in all Very proud of the results that we've achieved a great quarter for the company and thank you all for your interesting questions