Algoma Steel Group Inc.

Good day and welcome to today's conference call to discuss Algoma Steel Fiscal Second Quarter 2023 Financial Results. My name is LaTanya and I'm your operator for today's call. At this time, I'd like to turn and hand the call over to Mike Marrocker, Treasurer and Investor Relations Officer for Algoma. Mr. Marrocker, please go ahead, sir.

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to Algoma Steel Group, Inc.' 's earnings conference call for the fiscal second quarter ended September 30th, 2022. Leading today's call are Michael Garcia, our Chief Executive Officer, and Rajat Marwa, our Chief Financial Officer. As a reminder, this call is being recorded and will be made available for replay later today in the Investors section of Algoma Steel's corporate website at www.algoma.com. I would like to remind you that comments made on today's call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of applicable securities laws, which involve assumptions and inherent risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially from statements made today. In addition, our financial statements are prepared in accordance with IFRS, which differs from US GAAP, and our discussion today includes references to certain non-IFRS financial measures. Last evening, we posted an earnings presentation to accompany today's prepared remarks. The slides for today's call can be found in the Investors section of our corporate websites. With that in mind, I would ask everyone on today's call to read the legal disclaimers on slide two of the accompanying earnings presentation and to also refer to the risks and assumptions outlined in Algoma Steel's financial statements and management's discussion analysis for the full year ended March 31st, 2022. Please note that our financial statements are prepared using the U.S. dollar as our functional currency and the Canadian dollar as our presentation currency. Our fiscal year runs from April 1st to March 31st and our financial statements have been prepared for the three months ended September 30, 2022. Please note, all amounts referred to on today's call are in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. Following our prepared remarks, we will conduct a question and answer session. I will now turn the call over to our Chief Executive Officer, Michael Garcia. Mike?

Thank you, Mike. Good morning, and thank you for joining us today. I will start my comments, as we always do, by addressing what truly matters most to us, the safety of our employees. At Algoma, we believe in safety without compromise, and our continued focus has resulted in substantial improvement over the last decade in our lost time injury frequency rate. That said, we are focused on continued diligence as we relentlessly pursue our goal of achieving zero workplace injuries. I'll cover events and milestones during the quarter and subsequent to its end. I will then turn the call over to Rajat for a deeper dive into the numbers before closing with thoughts on the current state of steel markets. Our performance in the fiscal second quarter was not up to the standards we strive to achieve at Algoma. It included a number of operational challenges, which we disclosed last month, including commissioning challenges at the plate mill, a fire at one of our two coal conveyors, COVID-related labor availability issues at our direct strip production complex, as well as overall steel price softness in the market. We are taking actions to get our operations on stronger footing and improve performance. Specifically, we are addressing the operational challenges themselves so we can return to full operating capacity. We continue to focus on cost control and working capital efficiency. to maximize margins and cash flow. We are maintaining our pace of investment in our EAF project to dramatically transform Algoma, driving enhanced capability and long-term sustainability. And most importantly, we continue to focus on safe operations for our employees, our customers, and the communities we serve. During the quarter, we continued the commissioning of phase one of our plate mill modernization project. Working through automation upgrades that will improve the quality and capability of Canada's only discrete plate mill. These automation challenges continue as we are outfitting our legacy plate mill with modern next generation process controls. Mechanically, all upgrades are complete and the remaining work is centered on the IT side related to automation. During the quarter, both our technical and business leaders visited the vendors facilities in Europe and met with their senior executive team here in Sault Ste. Marie to advance the plans for completing the commissioning and applying our learnings to phase two of the project. These efforts will continue in the calendar fourth quarter, and we believe the plate mill will remain around 80% utilization range until completion in early 2023. The second phase of the plate mill modernization project is currently scheduled to begin in the middle of next calendar year. we will be mindful of market conditions and other operational factors when we make the final decision to commence. At our direct strip production complex, or DSPC, production was lower than expected for the quarter. Our community was not immune to the impacts of COVID, and during the quarter, we experienced a concentrated outbreak, which impacted the DSPC. We are implementing various measures to address labor availability, including cross-training more employees to better handle an absenteeism event. In August, we experienced a fire at one of the coal conveyors that supplies two of our three Coke batteries. Fortunately, no one was injured. All repairs are complete, and we are operating the Coke ovens at capacity. The fire negatively impacted our ability to produce Coke internally during the quarter, forcing us to buy a third-party product, which unfavorably impacted cost and profitability. As we faced those operational challenges, we also had to deal with what has been a volatile overall market for steel and for raw material inputs, which impacted realized prices and costs. Our consolidated results included shipments of 435,000 tons, revenues of $599 million, and adjusted EBITDA of $83 million. During the quarter, we continued to advance construction of our transformative electric arc furnace project, which remains on budget and on time for our planned 2024 startup. We completed the next phase of our capital allocation program with a U.S. $400 million substantial issuer bid, which resulted in the successful repurchase of 41 million shares, or almost 28% of our issued and outstanding shares at the time of announcement. Following completion of the SIB, we were able to resume activity under our normal course issuer bid, or NCIB. During the quarter, we repurchased 1.5 million additional shares, and as of September 30th, Algoma has approximately 104 million common shares issued and outstanding. Early in the quarter, we reached agreements with both local chapters of the United Steelworkers that represent our hourly, technical, and frontline supervisory employees. We are pleased that these five-year agreements provide the company labor stability throughout our transformation to electric arc steelmaking. Now I will pass the call over to our Chief Financial Officer, Rajat Marwa, to go over the financial results for the quarter, closing with some thoughts on the markets. Rajat?

Thanks, Mike. Good morning, and thank you all for joining the call. Our fiscal second quarter results, while challenging for the operational reasons Mike alluded to, came in line with our guidance for shipments and EBITDA. I'll remind you again that all numbers are expressed in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. However, our functional currency is the U.S. dollar. During the quarter, the Canadian dollar weakened materially, which impacts balance sheet comparisons quarter over quarter. For the quarter, net income was $87 million, or $0.36 per diluted share, compared to $288 million and $4.02 per diluted share in the prior year quarter, with the decline attributable to market conditions as well as the operational factors we are working to resolve. the quarter was impacted by a one-time charge resulting in increased pension and post-employment benefit expenses. The one-time charge was due to the extension of indexation for the contract period related to the ratification of new collective bargaining agreements with our unionized employees. The only long-term debt on our balance sheet continues to be in the form of government loans linked to our capital projects. We finished the quarter with $465 million of unrestricted cash and remain undrawn on our revolving credit facility. So even after funding our U.S. $400 million SIB, our balance sheet remains strong. Now let me dive into the key drivers of our performance. We shipped 435,000 tons in the quarter, down 25.9% as compared to the prior year quarter. As we previously disclosed, delays experienced during the commissioning of our Platinum Modernization Project were the largest impact on shipments. In addition, volume through our DSPC was adversely impacted by production shortfalls arising from COVID-linked workforce availability events. Net sales realization averaged $12.66 per ton, down 20.6% versus the prior year period. The decrease primarily reflects softening market conditions during the quarter. This resulted in steel revenue of 552 million in the quarter, down 41.1% versus the same quarter of last year. On the cost side, Algoma's cost of goods sold averaged 1,033 per ton in the quarter, up 20.7% over the prior year period. The main drivers of this increase includes the replacement of internally produced coke with purchased coke as a result of the conveyor fire, and an increase in the purchase price of many of our key input, including natural gas, alloys, and scrap. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $83 million, in line with our previously guided range, and compared to $431 million in the year-ago quarter. When we consider the operational impacts in the quarter, namely the plate mill, conveyor outage, and DSPC labor issues, we estimate there is a $130 million drag on EBITDA. Of that, roughly 60% fell in our fiscal second quarter results, and the remaining 40% is expected to impact fiscal third quarter results due to the flow-through of higher production cost into inventory. From a cash flow perspective, cash flow from operating activity was a use of $66 million in the quarter compared to the cash generation of $380 million in the year-ago quarter. The main drivers include lower adjusted EBITDA and a significant use of working capital in the quarter as both raw material and work-in-progress inventory rose on account of our lower production volume and shipments. We will continue to use working capital through the third fiscal quarter as we receive contracted volumes of raw material ahead of the winter period and expect to hold higher than normal inventories through the end of the calendar year, which will gradually be released in 2023. We finished the quarter with $465 million of cash and cash equivalent on the balance sheet. As an update to EF project spending, As I mentioned on the previous call, approximately 8% of the spending occurred in the prior fiscal year. Approximately 60% is expected to be spent in fiscal 2023, and the balance of the spending occurring after 2023. Up to the end of the September quarter, we have spent approximately $163 million on the EF project. Looking at the project in totality, Approximately 62% has been contracted with fixed price commitments with the balance of 38% still to be contracted. Beyond the progress made on the EF project, we are pleased to complete our SIB during the quarter. In addition to the SIB, we remain active in returning capital to shareholders on multiple fronts, including a normal quarterly dividend and through our NCIB. Our cash position and ample liquidity help us in a period of volatility, supporting us through the cycle, while also allowing us to advance our strategic capital initiatives and transformation. I'd now like to turn the call back to Mike for a market update and closing remarks. Mike?

Thanks, Rajat. Looking at the state of the North American steel market today, pricing has been steadily declining for much of the year. Highs that were reached in March around the start of the Ukraine war quickly reversed, and prices have tested various support levels through the summer and into the fall. The steel industry as well as our customers continue to face challenges related to inflation and interest rates, supply chain issues, and recessionary fears. However, our underlying order book, supported by a significant portion of contract sales, will keep demand for our products consistent with our expectations including sales to the automotive, construction, oil and gas, and other steel intensive industries. Additionally, global price dynamics and trade measures reduce the attractiveness of our market for imports. We continue to focus on improving operational reliability, and we are currently executing a number of planned seasonal maintenance activities ahead of the fourth fiscal quarter winter period. For the fiscal third quarter, we expect sequentially higher shipments tempered by planned maintenance activities and lower production at our plate and strip facility as we complete phase one commissioning. Coupled with current steel pricing, we expect reduced net sales realizations impacting margins for our products. While there remains uncertainty, the published forward curve for hot-rolled coil currently shows prices rising modestly from now through next summer, albeit at levels well below what we have realized the last few quarters. With this backdrop, our primary focus remains on prudent financial discipline, returning to full operating capability and execution of our EAF project, ushering in the next era for our company that provides the foundation for long-term value creation for our stakeholders. While the market remains challenging, and we are completing our plate mill commissioning, my view is consistent with the Board's in that we expect to be a significant generator of free cash over the longer term, which supports our transformation journey, including our two main capital improvement programs, the second phase of the plate mill modernization and the EAF. We are focused on putting the operational challenges we have faced behind us to ensure safe, reliable, efficient production at our existing facilities while we advance the EAF project. Thank you very much for your continued interest in Algoma Steel. We look forward to what the future holds. At this point, we would be happy to take your questions. Operator, please give the instructions for the Q&A session.

Thank you. We will now conduct a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad A confirmation tone will indicate your lines in the question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Once again, that's star 1 at this time. One moment while we pull for our first question. Our first question comes from David Ocampo with Cormark Securities. Please proceed.

Thank you. Mike, you called out that 40% of the $130 million negative impact should be realized in the upcoming quarter. But I was wondering if you could break it down by the operational issues that you guys are facing. So the plate model modernization, the Coke operations, and then the labor availability.

Sure, David. We've prepared some more detailed information on that, so I'll pass it over to Rajat, and he can walk you through that in a little bit more detail.

Hey, David. I think the most important question for the quarter, and it's easy from business perspective, but it's one where the accounting creates a lot of complexity to this. So I'll try and simplify it as much as possible. So the $130 million is a total impact because of the three events that happened during the quarter, during the second quarter. And the three big events were the plate mill commissioning delays, the coke fire, and ESPC in the order of impact. And the order is roughly 50% of that impact is due to the plate mill commissioning. Roughly 30% is because of the coke conveyor fire, and 20% is for the DSPC labor shortage because of COVID. So that's the percentage. Now, as far as the impact between the two quarters is concerned, going one by one on the plate mill side, you know, we started operating at 80%, but some of the impact of the plate mill is flowing into inventories and infecting the cost for the third quarter. And it's roughly around 70-30 split. 70% of the cost is getting absorbed in the second quarter, and 30% is going into the following quarter. And it's just the way the higher cost of inventory based on production gets trapped into inventories and that moves into the following quarter. So again, accounting, 50% of the impact is the total impact because of that quarter issues, but 30% of it flows into the following quarter. On the coke batteries, I think that has the biggest overflow into the following quarter. just because we had a lot of inventory of coke that we had already contracted for the year which we were using, and we had to buy additional coke on the spot market at higher pricing, which flows through inventory of coke and also flows through higher cost of steel produced based on purchased coke. So that has the biggest impact. It's roughly 20%, 80%, 20% in the... second quarter and 80% moving into the following quarter, which is the third quarter. And on DSPC, we see most of the impact in the second quarter, nothing moving into the following quarter because most of the impact was mid-quarter. It does not affect inventory a lot. So in short, 50-30-20 is the ratio of impact for the three events. And the way it flows from one to the other is plate mill is roughly 70-30. Coke batteries is 20-80. And DSPC is 100% in Q2.

That's a very helpful commentary there, Rajat. And then on the inventory side of it, I think you said on your remarks that it would stay elevated. And it does look, even if you exclude FX, that it's probably 250 to 300 million above normal levels. So how should we think about that release into fiscal 24? Should we expect that full 200 or 250 to be released kind of in equal proportions throughout the quarters?

So I think you should see it releasing from first fiscal quarter onwards. The normal release between in the first calendar quarter, which is our fourth fiscal, will happen because we will be building again more in December and then we'll be releasing it. And the balance release will come in the first and the second quarter of next year from an inventory perspective. So that's how it will flow. We've also built some raw material and some WIP as well. As we ship less, we have some WIP developed, which we will also release over the next couple of quarters. So your point is right. It will get released in the first and the second fiscal quarter of next year, more so as compared to what we have seen in the past.

And is there any risk on the work in progress there, just given the softness that we're seeing in the marketplace today?

No, I think we should not. Normally, we buy slabs from outside to fill up the void that we have in our own production facility to some extent. And whatever we have will help to replace that. So we don't see much of a risk to get that released over the next couple of quarters.

And then last one for me, on your fixed annual contracts, I think it's 10% is on an annual basis. How are those discussions going with customers? Do they actually believe that the futures curve is actually in contango and they're negotiating around that, or are they looking for pretty steep discounts relative to where we are?

Yeah, I think we're right in the middle of several negotiations for our contracted customers, David, and I think each one of them kind of has their own particular order book to fill, and they oftentimes know the pricing or have pricing expectations in their own order book, and they're looking to secure contracted supply of their raw materials that they need, and We haven't faced a huge amount of pressure or expectations that we would need to be talking of pricing levels a lot lower than they are now, although I think everybody that we speak to has some expectation that there's going to be a recession or recessionary conditions next year. But they're all looking at their own unique positions, which in spite of expectation of an economic slowdown, they may be sitting with an order book that they feel gives them a lot of clarity with maybe not as much risk as maybe you would expect in the overall recessionary period. I'm speaking about customers that are producing either parts in a supply chain or end product that have firm visibility. Obviously, if it's a customer that is a service center, and needs to think about the pool on their products that they stock and supply that aren't necessarily tied to contracts, they would be more sensitive to where they think the pricing is going and an expectation of lower pricing. Is that helpful?

No, it is. Thanks, guys. I'll hop back in the queue.

Our next question comes from Anup Prihar with 8 Capital. Please proceed.

Yes, good morning. Just a couple of quick questions for me. Rajat, can you tell me, please, what's the remaining capex for the completion of the plate mill modernization? And can you just give me the number net of the government funding, please?

Yeah, the remaining capex will be around, you know, $40 million that needs to be spent on the plate mill, and that's mostly the phase two, where work is work is happening, and that's made of any government funding.

And so just to be clear, what's the reasonable expectation for your plate mill production volume in fiscal 24? I know it's a bit of a moving target. I just want to make sure I'm in the ballpark of what's reasonable here.

So we should be at historical levels in any case on fiscal 24. The big question still is on our second phase and when we get it done. Currently, it's slated for middle of next year. And as we have said that, you know, we will be very cautious and careful about moving on the second phase, though most of the work will be done but, you know, pulling the trigger and getting all the integration done and automation completed will be very carefully studied and done because we don't want to lose beyond what is normal downtime on that mill. So that's a big wild card. If, let's say, that gets completed in the middle of next year, which will be, let's say, in the June, July period, then it will take at least five to... five-odd months to start ramping up for higher volume because that upgrade will double the volume that we have currently, but reaching that full percentage will take a little bit longer.

Okay. All right. Thank you. And lastly, are you guys still active on the NCIB?

Yes, we are. The program is on, and we are still active on it.

Thank you.

Our next question comes from Ian Gillis with Stiefels. Please proceed.

Morning, everyone. Morning, Ian. From what I understand, coking contracts or pricing is typically set in and around this time of year. Is there any context you can provide for how you're thinking about that cost item as we head in to call it calendar 2023 and usage there and usage there just given what's kind of transpired over the last couple quarters in the inventory build?

Sure. So on the coal and coke, you're absolutely right. This is normally the period by which most of the contracts get settled. And, you know, we've settled ours as well. And it's – It's flat year over year is where the coal is moving. And very similar is on the coke side. So year over year, long-term contracts, which is annual contracts, pricing is flat. And that's what we are expecting. And whatever shortfall, as I mentioned, we had on the coke battery fire, we contracted on spot pricing, which was which was definitely higher, which we are rolling through in our costs this quarter, last quarter, and this quarter.

Okay. That's really helpful. Thank you. With respect to the construction contracts for the EAF, it looked like there was a modest uptick in what's been fixed. Can you just provide a bit of a reminder of when you think some other chunky items may get fixed here? Because it would seem maybe some of the costs might be moving in your favor given the deflationary pressures on some of the inputs?

Yeah, sure. So, you know, we expect a big chunk to be done over the next, let's say, five to six months, which is, let's say, towards the end of our fiscal year. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, then from... you know, from cost perspective, that definitely it will help. So, Mike, you have added color on it?

Yeah, I would add, Ian, that we are seeing a competitive environment as we go out to our contractor base and potential business partners with these bids for further pieces and chunks of the major construction And we are seeing an environment where contractors are eager to get the business and bring clarity to their own book of business for next year. And a few of the recent bid packages that we got completed and are nearing completion, we are satisfied and encouraged by the pricing environment that we're seeing, and those are coming in in a handful of specific examples. They're coming in nicely below the budget number we had in our project. Now, that's not to say that everything's going to be like that, but certainly contractors that are looking for visibility in their book of work next year see the same fears around recessions and may have a general thought about, you know, if I don't get this business, what other business am I going to get that's out there floating around for me to bid on? And I think we're benefiting from that from a cost perspective and engagement from potential suppliers as we select the best ones for this project.

Got it. That's helpful context. And One of the things I did want to clarify, the language in the MD&A had changed a little bit around completion of the EAF. There was a comment about it finishing mid-year. There was another comment about it finishing end of year. Can you just reconfirm that there's been no change to the in-service date and the expected startup, or if there has been, what is transpiring there?

That's correct. It's still mid-year. Sorry for the confusion on that. Just to add a little more color, the bid packages, the final important ones are getting placed with suppliers and our approach is fixed pricing. So unless we come in with a change of scope or a change order, we feel very comfortable that we have visibility to the pricing once that bid package is awarded. We continue to work very hard on supply chain issues that need to be managed for a project of this size. The only real specific one that we are working is with a vendor of cards that rely on semiconductor chips. In one specific instance, there's some cards that go into some of the control panels in the new melt shop. Those cards are delayed by six months right now, so we had to put plans into place to complete all of the other periphery work in those panels and those cabinets, get those on the boat and shipped to Sault Ste. Marie and installed, and then the cards will be installed at a later date when the panel or cabinet is here in Sault Ste. Marie versus being installed at the vendor's construction site. Now, that won't jeopardize the overall critical path and timeline, but we just need to be mindful of where we're doing that and then making sure that almost every day, but at least weekly, we are in touch with the the actual semiconductor supplier to our vendor, doing everything we can to make sure that we know exactly when those cards will be delivered. And we're doing everything we can to make sure nothing slips, or if it does slip any further, that we work on mitigation plans. And this is a global supply chain issue, and the suppliers of these cards, they've got a global kind of criteria for managing who gets what's coming out of the supply chain based on, you know, the first preference is medical devices and then things involved with national defense and then things involved with more typical industries like ourselves.

Okay. Once again, that's very helpful and If I could just ask one last question. With respect to the high voltage power line that the PUC is going to be installing, there's been no change to the disclosure there. But I'm just curious if there's any update or operational update on how you're thinking about that key piece of getting the EAF into service and ramped up.

You're right. There's no change in the timeline. It's another... critically important piece to how this all comes together. There's the 230 kV line that is 11 kilometers long and is being run from one side of Sault Ste. Marie to the other. That's in process. That's being done by the local utility provider, and everything is on pace for that. The other piece of the the power is the grid power upgrades by Hydro One. And we are interfacing with them regularly to help answer their technical concerns, come back if they have further technical concerns, working through that with them. That piece, it's not as critical because while it would be disappointing that the grid is maybe not as robust as we would like it when we when we first need to start feeding power to the electric arc furnaces. We've done the analysis, and there's enough power here in Sault Ste. Marie to run those furnaces, also considering all the other electrical use demand that might grow in the community in the next couple years. But at some point, you know, when there's unusual maintenance issues or weather events, it may then call for more internally generated power from ourselves. And that's one reason we're upgrading our internal power generation capability with the new GE gas turbines, which are on site and being installed.

Got it. Thanks very much. I appreciate that. I'll turn the call back over. Sure.

Our next question comes from Ahmad Shaikh with Beacon Securities. Please proceed.

Hi, guys. Just a quick one on the plate modernization project. Did I catch that right? Was there a slight CapEx increase from $120 to $135 million? And if so, can you guys speak to that? Yeah, there is a...

There has been that increase, slight increase, $235 million on the plate mill modernization, and that's reflective of the delays that have happened on... on getting the project done, which was supposed to be completed earlier, and we shifted it to this year and the next one to next year, and also with the delays that has happened in the commissioning. So that's all factored in, including the inflationary pressure that we saw. So that's all factored into that 135 total.

Perfect. Thanks for that. And if I, if I got your answer regarding the timeline for, for phase two, is it fair to say that mid next year as I understand right now is sort of a soft timeline depending on how we end up commissioning phase one and see how that, how that works out for you guys or are you guys committed to the mid next year for the phase two?

I, I think it's, it's, I don't know if soft is the right word, but it's flexible, depending on our absolute certainty that we understand all of the issues that we dealt with in the first phase of the plate mill modernization. And we understand everything that needs to happen beforehand that can greatly mitigate the chances of those type of challenges being met while, you know, we're live and we're waiting, you know, and we need to run steel through the plate mill. So, you know, there's going to be a point, and it's already started, but it can't really be complete until everybody that is involved in this, and there's certainly people still involved on the actual commissioning. We need to make sure that we've done a thorough after-action review, if you will, understand all of the issues and the root causes and how we can take steps to mitigate to the greatest extent possible all of that offline before we shut down for phase two, and then make sure we have an oversight function to confirm and ensure that everything we're talking about doing offline is actually happening to the to the level of detail that it needs to happen to. And then only then will I be convinced and I'll be able to convince my board that we are ready to proceed with phase two. But the plan now is that we can get all of that done and all of that level of preparation in order to proceed with phase two at mid-year. But if for any reason we don't reach that level of comfort and then we will not go down as planned until we're ready. Is that helpful? Yeah, that's very helpful.

Thanks a lot for that answer. I'll jump back in the queue.

Our next question comes from Alexander Jackson with RBC. Please proceed.

Yeah, thanks, guys. So, you know, given market conditions with weaker pricing and higher OPEX, I'm wondering if that's impacted how you're thinking about capital returns and maybe some non-essential capital projects, or maybe we're not there yet. Thank you.

Yeah, it's a good question, Alexander. Because of our fiscal calendar that we're on, we've begun the annual business planning cycle for our next fiscal year, and we know that it's That involves a lot of scenario planning on kind of the commercial assumptions that you need to use, but certainly a very strong and important scenario that we're working on is a scenario of continued low-pricing environment and low demand, and we understand that in that type of environment, uh, controlling any discretionary costs that you can is, is critical. And we need to make those, those decisions, uh, mindful of, of not just the importance of, of being able to do that in, in a challenging, uh, environment in terms of supply and, and, or demand and pricing, but also understanding the consequences of, of doing that and, and only doing it, uh, when it makes sense not only for the immediate environment, but also where the consequences are not so adverse that you wind up making just poor decisions for the business over the longer term. But this business is quite aware of, and especially Rajat, having to do that in challenging environments, and we have almost a playbook if so to speak, of things that we know we have to be leveraged, that we know we can pull on, and things that we need to think about as we go into a changing business environment.

That's helpful. Thanks.

Once again, to ask a question, that's star 1 on your telephone keypad at this time. There are no further questions in queue at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Mr. Michael Garcia for closing comments.

Okay, thank you again for your participation in our second quarter fiscal 2023 earnings conference call and for your continued interest in Algoma Steel. We look forward to updating you on our results and progress when we report our fiscal third quarter results early next year.

Thank you. This thus concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation and have a great day.