Broadcom Inc.

Welcome to Broadcom's Inc. Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2025 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to GU, Head of Investor Relations of Broadcom Inc.

Thank you, Cherie, and good afternoon, everyone. Joining me on today's call are Hawk Tan, President and CEO, Kirsten Spears, Chief Financial Officer, and Charlie Kowals, President, Semiconductor Solutions Group. Broadcom distributed a press release and financial tables after the market closed, describing our financial performance for the fourth quarter and fiscal year 2025. If you did not receive a copy, you may obtain the information from the investor section of Broadcom's website at broadcom.com. This conference call is being webcast live, and an audio replay of the call can be accessed for one year through the investor section of Broadcom's website. During the prepared remarks, Hawk and Kirsten will be providing details of our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2025 results, guidance for our first quarter of fiscal year 2026, as well as commentary regarding the business environment. We'll take questions after the end of our prepared comments. Please refer to our press release today and our recent filings with the SEC for information on the specific risk factors that could cause our actual results to differ materially from the forward-looking statements made on this call. In addition to U.S. GAAP reporting, Broadcom reports certain financial measures on a non-GAAP basis. A reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP measures is included in the tables attached to today's press release. Comments made during today's call will primarily refer to our non-GAAP financial results. I'll now turn the call over to Hawk.

Thank you, G. And thank you, everyone, for joining us today. Well, we just ended our Q4 fiscal 25, and before I get into details of that quarter, let me recap the year. In our fiscal 2025, consolidated revenue grew 24% year over year to a record $64 billion, and that's driven by AI semiconductors and VMware. AI revenue grew 65% year-over-year to $20 billion, driving the semiconductor revenue for this company to a record $37 billion for the year. In our infrastructure software business, strong adoption of VMware Cloud Foundation, or VCF as we call it, drove revenue growth of 26% year on year to $27 billion. In summary, 2025 was another strong year for Broadcom. And we see the spending momentum by our customers for in AI continuing to accelerate in 2026. Now let's move on to the results of our fourth quarter 2026. Total revenue was a record $18 billion, up 28% year-on-year, and above our guidance on better-than-expected growth in AI semiconductors, as well as infrastructure software. Q4 consolidated adjusted EBITDA was a record $12.12 billion, up 34% year-on-year. So let me give you more color on our two segments. In semiconductors, revenue was 11.1 billion as year-on-year growth accelerated to 35%. And this robust growth was driven by the AI semiconductor revenue of 6.5 billion, which was up 74% year-on-year. And this represents a growth trajectory exceeding 10 times over the 11 quarters we have reported this line of business. Our custom accelerator business more than doubled year over year as we see our customers increase adoption of XPUs, as we call those custom accelerators, in training their LLMs, and monetizing their platforms through inferencing APIs and applications. These XPUs, I may add, are not only been used to train and inference internal workloads by our customers. The same XPUs in some situations have been extended externally to other LLM peers. Best exemplified at Google, where the TPUs used in creating Gemini are also being used for AI cloud computing by Apple, Cohere, and SSI as a sample. And the scale at which we see this happening could be significant. And as you are aware, Last quarter, Q3-25, we received a $10 billion order to sell the latest TPU Ironwood Racks to Entropic. And this was our fourth customer that we mentioned. And in this quarter, Q4, we received an additional $11 billion order from the same customer for delivery in late 2026. But that does not mean our other two customers are using TPUs. In fact, they prefer to control their own destiny by continuing to drive their multi-year journey to create their own custom AI accelerators or XPU racks as we call them. And I'm pleased today to report that during this quarter, we acquired a fifth XPU customer through a $1 billion order placed for delivery in late 2026. Now moving on to AI networking. Demand here has even been stronger as we see customers build out their data center infrastructure ahead of deploying AI accelerators. Our current order backlog for AI switches exceeds $10 billion as our latest 102 terabit per second Tomahawk 6 switch, the first and only one of its capability out there, continues to book at record rates. And this is just a subset of what we have. We have also secured record orders on DSPs, optical components like lasers, and PCI Express switches to be deployed, all to be deployed in AI data centers. And all these components combined with our XPUs bring our total order on hand in excess of $73 billion today, which is almost half Broadcom's consolidated backlog of $162 billion. We expect this $73 billion in AI backlog to be delivered over the next 18 months. And in Q1 fiscal 26, we expect our AI revenue to double year on year to $8.2 billion. Turning to non-AI semiconductors, Q4 revenue of $4.6 billion was up 2% year on year and up 16% sequentially based on favorable wireless seasonality. Year on year, broadband showed solid recovery. Wireless was flat, and all the other end markets were down as enterprise spending continued to show limited signs of recovery. And accordingly, in Q1, We forecast non-AI semiconductor revenue to be approximately $4.1 billion, flat from a year ago, down sequentially due to wireless seasonality. Let me now talk about our infrastructure software segment. Q4 infrastructure software revenue of $6.9 billion was up 19% year-on-year, and above our outlook of 6.7%. Bookings continue to be strong as total contract value booked in Q4 exceeded $10.4 billion versus $8.2 billion a year ago. We ended the year with 73 billion of infrastructure software backlog, up from 49 billion a year ago. We expect renewals to be seasonal in Q1 and forecast infrastructure software revenue to be approximately 6.8 billion. We still expect, however, that for fiscal 26, infrastructure software revenue to grow low double-digit percentage. So here's what we see in 2026. Directionally, we expect AI revenue to continue to accelerate and drive most of our growth and non-AI semiconductor revenue to be stable. Infrastructure software revenue will continue to be driven by VMware growth at low double digits. And for Q1 26, We expect consolidated revenue of approximately $19.1 billion, up 28% year-on-year. And we expect adjusted EBITDA to be approximately 67% of revenue. And with that, let me turn the call over to Kirsten.

Thank you, Hawk. Let me now provide additional detail on our Q4 financial performance. Consolidated revenue was a record $18 billion for the quarter, up 28% from a year ago. Gross margin was 77.9% of revenue in the quarter, better than we originally guided on higher software revenues and product mix within semiconductors. Consolidated operating expenses were $2.1 billion, of which $1.5 billion was research and development. Q4 operating income was a record 11.9 billion, up 35% from a year ago. Now on a sequential basis, even as gross margin was down 50 basis points on semiconductor product mix, operating margin increased 70 basis points sequentially to 66.2% on favorable operating leverage. Adjusted EBITDA of 12.2 billion, or 68% of revenue, was above our guidance of 67%. This figure excludes $148 million of depreciation. Now a review of the P&L for our two segments, starting with semiconductors. Revenue for our semiconductor solution segment was a record $11.1 billion, with growth accelerating to 35% year-on-year, driven by AI. Semiconductor revenue represented 61% of total revenue in the quarter. Gross margin for our semiconductor solution segment was approximately 68%. Operating expenses increased 16% year-on-year to $1.1 billion on increased investment in RMD for leading-edge AI semiconductors. Semiconductor operating margin of 59% was up 250 basis points year-on-year. Now moving to infrastructure software. Revenue for infrastructure software of $6.9 billion was up 19% year-on-year and represented 39% of total revenue. Gross margin for infrastructure software was 93% in the quarter compared to 91% a year ago. Operating expenses were $1.1 billion in the quarter, resulting in infrastructure software operating margin of 78%. This compares to operating margin of 72% a year ago, reflecting the completion of the integration of VMware. Moving on to cash flow. Free cash flow in the quarter was $7.5 billion and represented 41% of revenue. We spent $237 million on capital expenditures. Day sales outstanding were 36 days in the fourth quarter, compared to 29 days a year ago. We ended the fourth quarter with inventory of $2.3 billion, up 4% sequentially. Our days of inventory on hand were 58 days in Q4, compared to 66 days in Q3, as we continue to remain disciplined on how we manage inventory across the ecosystem. We ended the fourth quarter with $16.2 billion of cash, up $5.5 billion sequentially on strong cash flow generation. The weighted average coupon rate in years to maturity of our gross principal fixed rate debt of $67.1 billion is 4% at 7.2 years, respectively. Turning to capital allocation, in Q4, we paid stockholders $2.8 billion of cash dividends based on a quarterly common stock cash dividend of $0.59 per share. In Q1, we expect the non-GAAP diluted share count to be approximately 4.97 billion shares, excluding the potential impact of any share repurchases. Now let me recap our financial performance for fiscal year 2025. Our revenue hit a record 63.9 billion, with organic growth accelerating to 24% year-on-year. Semiconductor revenue was 36.9 billion, up 22% year-over-year. Infrastructure software revenue was $27 billion, up 26% year on year. Fiscal 2025 adjusted EBITDA was $43 billion and represented 67% of revenue. Free cash flow grew 39% year on year to $26.9 billion. For fiscal 2025, we returned $17.5 billion of cash to shareholders in the form of $11.1 billion of dividends, and $6.4 billion in share repurchases and elimination. Aligned with our ability to generate increased cash flows in the preceding year, we are announcing an increase in our quarterly common stock cash dividend in Q1 fiscal 2026 to $0.65 per share, an increase of 10% from the prior quarter. We intend to maintain this target quarterly dividend throughout fiscal 2026, subject to quarterly Board approval. This implies our fiscal 2026 annual common stock dividend to be a record $2.60 per share, an increase of 10% year on year. I would like to highlight that this represents the 15th consecutive increase in annual dividends since we initiated dividends in fiscal 2011. The board also approved an extension of our share repurchase program of which 7.5 billion remains through the end of calendar year 2026. Now moving to guidance. Our guidance for Q1 is for consolidated revenue of $19.1 billion, up 28% year on year. We forecast semiconductor revenue of approximately $12.3 billion, up 50% year on year. Within this, we expect Q1 AI semiconductor revenue of $8.2 billion, up approximately 100% year on year. We expect infrastructure software revenue of approximately $6.8 billion, up 2% year-on-year. For your modeling purposes, we expect Q1 consolidated gross margin to be down approximately 100 basis points sequentially, primarily reflecting a higher mix of AI revenue. As a reminder, consolidated gross margins through the year will be impacted by the revenue mix of infrastructure software and semiconductors, and also product mix within semiconductors. we expect Q1 adjusted EBITDA to be approximately 67%. We expect the non-GAAP tax rate for Q1 and fiscal year 2026 to increase from 14% to approximately 16.5% due to the impact of the global minimum tax and shift in geographic mix of income compared to that of fiscal year 2025. That concludes my prepared remarks, operator, Please open up the call for questions.

Thank you. To ask a question, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, press star 1-1 again. Due to time restraints, we ask that you please limit yourself to one question. Please stand by while we have the Q&A roster. Our first question will come from the line of Vivek Arya with Bank of America. Your line is open.

Thank you. I just wanted to clarify, Hawk, you said $73 billion over 18 months for AI. That's roughly $50-ish billion-plus for fiscal 26 for AI. I just wanted to make sure I got that right. And then the main question, Hawk, is that there is sort of this emerging debate about customer-owned tooling, your ASIC customers potentially wanting to do more things on their own. How do you see your XPU content and share at your largest customer evolve over the next one or two years? Thank you.

Well, to answer your first question, what we said is correct that as of now, we have $73 billion of backlog in place of XPUs, switches, DSPs, lasers for AI data centers that we anticipate shipping over the next 18 months. And obviously, this is as of now. I mean, we fully expect more bookings to come in over that period of time, and so don't take that 73 as that's the revenue we ship over the next 18 months. I'm just saying we have that now, and the bookings have been accelerating. And frankly, we see that bookings not just in XPUs, but in switches, DSPs, all the other components that go into AI data center. We have never seen bookings of the nature that what we have seen over the past three months. Particularly with respect to Tomahawk 6 switches. This is one of the fastest growing products in terms of deployment that we've ever seen of any switch product that we put out there. It is pretty interesting. And partly because it's the only one of its kind out there at this point at 102 terabits per second. And that's the exact product needed to expand the clusters of the latest GPU and XPUs out there. So that's great. But as far as what is the future of XPU is your broader question. My answer to you is don't follow what you hear out there as gospel. It's a trajectory. It's a multi-year journey. And many of the players, and not too many players doing LLMs, wants to do their own thing. custom AI accelerator for very good reasons. You can put in hardware, if you use a general purpose GPU, you can only do in software and kernels and software. You can achieve performance-wise so much better in a custom purpose design, hardware-driven XPU. And we see that in the TPU And we see that in all the accelerators we are doing for our other customers. Much, much better in areas of sparse call, training, inference, reasoning, all that stuff. Now, will that mean that over time they all want to go do it themselves? Not necessarily. And in fact, because the technology in silicon keeps updating, keeps evolving. And if you are an LLM player, where do you put your resources in order to compete in this space? Especially when you have to compete at the end of the day against merchant GPU who are not slowing down in their rate of evolution. So I see that as this concept of customer tooling is an overblown concept. hypothesis, which frankly, I don't think will happen.

Thank you. A moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Ross Seymour with Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.

Hi, thanks for the question. I wanted to go to something you touched on earlier about the TPUs going a little bit more to like a merchant. go to market to other customers. Do you believe that's a substitution effect for customers who otherwise would have done ASICs with you, or do you think it's actually broadening the market? And so what are kind of the financial implications of that from your perspective?

That's a very good question, Ross. And what we see right now is the most obvious move it does is it goes, the people who use TPUs, The alternative is GPUs, merchant bases. That's the most common thing that happens. Because to do that substitution for another custom, it's different. To make an investment in custom accelerator is a multi-year journey, it's a strategic directional thing. It's not necessary a very transactional or short-term move. Moving from GPU to TPU is a transactional move. Going into AI accelerator of your own is a long-term strategic move and nothing will deter you from that to continue to make that investment towards that end goal of successfully creating and deploying your own custom AI accelerator. So, that's the motion we see.

Thank you.

And that will come from the line of Harlan Sir with JP Morgan.

Yeah, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question and congratulations on the strong results guidance and execution . Again, I just want to read or I just want to sort of verify this, right? Total AI backlog of 73 billion over the next six quarters, right? This is just a snapshot of your order book like right now. But given your lead times, I think customers can and still will place orders for AI in quarters four, five, and six. So as time moves forward, that backlog number for more shipments in second half of 2016 will probably still go up, right? Is that the correct interpretation? And then given the strong and growing backlog, right? The question is, does the team have three nanometer, two nanometer wafer supply, co-op substrate, HBM supply commitments to support all of the demand in your order book? And I know one of the areas where you are trying to mitigate this is in advanced packaging, right? You're bringing up your Singapore facility. Can you guys just remind us what part of the advanced packaging process the team is focusing on with the Singapore facility? Thanks.

Thanks. Well, to answer your first simpler question, you're right. You can say that $73 billion is the backlog we have today to ship over the next six quarters. You might also say that given our lead time, we expect more orders to be able to be delivered absorbed into a backlog for shipments over the next six quarters. So taking that, we expect revenue, a minimum revenue, one way to look at it, of 73 billion over the next six quarters, but we do expect much more as more orders come in for shipments within the next six quarters. The hourly time, depending on the particular product it is, can be anywhere from six months to a year. With respect to supply chain, is what you're asking, critical supply chain on silicon and packaging? Yeah, that's an interesting challenge that we have been addressing constantly and continue to. And with the strength of the demand and the need for more innovative packaging, advanced packaging, because you're talking about multi-chips, multi-chips in creating every custom accelerator now. The packaging becomes a very interesting technical challenge. And building our Singapore PEP is to really talk about partially insourcing those advanced packaging. We believe that we have enough demand, we can literally insource not from the viewpoint of not just cost, but in the viewpoint of supply chain security and delivery. And we're building up a fairly substantial facility for packaging, advanced packaging, Singapore as indicated, purely for that purpose, to address the advanced packaging side. Silicon-wise, now we go back to the same precious source in Taiwan, TSMC. And so we keep going for more and more capacity in two nanometers, three nanometers. And so far, we do not have that constraint. But again, time will tell as we progress and as our backlog builds up.

Thank you, Har.

One moment for our next question. The next question will come from the line of Blaine Curtis with Jefferies. Your line is open.

Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I want to ask, with the original $10 million deal, you talked about a rack sale. I just wanted to, with the follow-on order as well as the fifth customer, can you just maybe describe how you're going to deliver those? Is it an X view or is it a rack? And then maybe you can kind of just walk us through the math and kind of what the deliverable is. Obviously, Google uses its own networking, so I'm kind of curious, too, would it be a copy exactly what Google does, now that you can talk to it to name, or would you have your own networking in there as well? Thanks.

That's a very complicated question, Blaine. Let me tell you what it is. It's a system sale. How about that? It's a real system sale. We have so many components beyond XP used, custom accelerators in any system, in AI system, any AI system. used by hyperscalers that yeah we believe it begin to make sense to do it as a system sales and be responsible but be fully responsible for the entire system or rank as you call it i think people understand it as a system still better and so on this customer number four we are selling it as a system with our key components in it and that's no different than selling a chip We certify and final ability to run as part of the whole selling process.

Okay, thanks, Austin.

One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Stacy Raskolm with Bernstein. Your line is open.

Hi, guys. Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to touch on gross margins, and maybe it feeds into a little bit the prior question. So I understand why the AI business is somewhat diluted to gross margins. We have the HBM pass-through, and then presumably with the system sales, that will be more diluted. And you've hinted at this in the past, but I was wondering if you could be a little more explicit. As this AI revenue starts to ramp, as we start to get system sales, how should we be thinking about that gross margin number, say, if we're looking out, you know, four quarters or six quarters? Is it low 70s? I mean, could it start with a six at the corporate level? And I guess I'm also wondering, I understand how that comes down, but what about the operating margins? Do you think you get enough operating leverage on the OPEC side to keep operating margins flat, or do they need to come down as well?

I'll let Kirsten give you the details, but enough for me to broadly high-level explain to you, Stacey. Good question. Phenomenal. You don't see that impacting us right now, and we have already started that process. of some systems there. You don't see that in our numbers. But it will. And we have said that openly. The AI revenue has a lower gross margin than our, obviously, the rest of our business, including software, of course. But we expect the rate of growth of, as we do more and more AI revenue, to be so much that we get the operating leverage on our operating spending, that operating margin won't deliver dollars that are still a high level of growth from what it has been. So we expect operating leverage to benefit us at the operating margin level, even as gross margin will start to deteriorate. I love it.

Now, I think Hock said that fairly. And the second half of the year, when we do start shipping more systems, The situation is straightforward. We'll be passing through more components that are not ours. So think of it similar to the XPUs where we have memory on those XPUs and we're passing through those costs. We'll be passing through more costs within the RAC. And so those gross margins will be lower. However, overall, the way Hawk said it, gross margin dollars will go up. Margins will go down. Operating margins, because we have leverage. Operating margin dollars will go up, but the margin itself as a percentage of revenues will come down a bit. But we're not – I mean, we'll guide closer to, you know, the end of the year for that.

Thank you, guys.

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Jim Schneider with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open.

Good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. I was wondering if you might care to calibrate your expectations for AI revenue in fiscal 26 a little bit more closely. I believe you talked about acceleration in fiscal 26 off of the 65% growth rate you did in fiscal 25, and then you're guiding to 100% growth for Q1. So I'm just wondering if the Q1 is a good jumping off point for the growth rate you expect for the full year or something maybe a little bit less than that. And then maybe if you could separately clarify whether your $1 billion of orders for the fifth customer is indeed OpenAI, which you made a separate announcement about. Thank you.

Wow, there's a lot of questions here. Let me start off with 26%. You know, our backlog is very dynamic these days, as I said, and it is continuing to ramp up. And you're right. We originally, six months ago, said maybe year-on-year AI revenues would grow in 26, 60, 70%. Q1, we doubled. And Q1 26 today, we're saying it doubled. we're looking at it because all the thresholders keeps coming in and we give you a milestone of where we are today which is 73 billion of backlog to be shipped over the next 18 months and we do fully expect as I answered the earlier question for that 73 billion over the 18 months to keep growing now it's a moving target it's a moving number as we move in time but it will grow And it's hard for me to pinpoint what 26 is going to look like precisely. So I'd rather not give you guys any guidance. And that's why we don't give you guidance, but we do give it for Q1. Give it time. We'll give it for Q2. And you're right. To us, is it an accelerating trend? And my answer is it's likely to be an accelerating trend as we progress through 26. Hope that answers your question.

Yes, thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Ben Reitzes with Mellius Research. Your line is open.

Hey, guys. Thanks a lot. Hey, Hawk. I wanted to ask, I'm not sure if the last caller said something on it, but I didn't hear it in the answer, was I wanted to ask about the OpenAI contract. It's supposed to start in the second half of the year and go through 2029 for 10 gigawatts. I'm going to assume that that's the fifth customer order there. And I was just wondering if you're still confident in that being a driver. Are there any obstacles to making that a major driver? And when you expect, you know, that to contribute and your confidence in it? Thanks so much, Hawk.

You didn't hear that answer from my last caller, Jim's question, because I didn't answer it. I did not answer it, and I'm not answering it either. It's a fifth customer, and it's a real customer, and it will grow. They are on their multi-year journey to their own XPUs, and let's leave it at that. As far as the OpenAI view that you have, We appreciate the fact that it is a multi-year journey that will run through 29 as our press release with OpenAI showed. 10 gigawatts between 26, more like 27, 28, 29, Ben, not 26. It's more like 27, 28, 29, 10 gigawatts. That was the OpenAI discussion. And that's, I call it an agreement, an alignment of where we're headed with respect to a very respected and valued customer open AI. But we do not expect much in 26.

Ah, okay. Thanks for clarifying that. That's real interesting. Appreciate it.

One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of CJ Muse with Cantor Fitzgerald. Your line is open.

Yeah, good afternoon. Thank you for taking the question. I guess, Hawk, I wanted to talk about custom silicon and maybe speak to how you expect content to grow for Broadcom generation to generation. And as part of that, you know, your competitor announced CPX offering essentially accelerator for an accelerator program. for massive context windows. I'm curious if you see a broadening opportunity, you know, for your existing five customers to have multiple XPU offerings. Thanks so much.

Thank you. No, yeah, you hit it right on. I mean, the nice thing about a custom accelerator is you try not to do one size fits all and generationally. Each of these five customers now can create their version of an XPU customer accelerator for training and inference. And basically, it's almost two parallel tracks going on almost simultaneously for each of them. So I would have plenty of versions to deal with. I don't need to create any more versions. We've got plenty of different content out there just on the basis of creating these custom accelerators. And by the way, when you do custom accelerators, you tend to put more hardware in that are unique, differentiated versus trying to make it work on software. and creating kernels into software. I know that's very tricky too, but think about the difference where you can create in hardware those sparse core data routers versus the dense matrix multipliers, all in one same chip. And that's just one example of what creating custom accelerators is letting us do. for that matter a variation in how much memory capacity or memory bandwidth from for the same customer from chip to chip just because even in inference you want to do more reasoning versus decoding versus something else like pre-fill so you literally start to create different hardware and for different aspects of how you want to train or inference and run your workloads. It's a very fascinating area, and we are seeing a lot of variations and multiple chips for each of our customers.

Thank you. One moment for our next question. And that will come from the line of Harsh Kumar with Piper Sandler. Your line is open.

Yeah, Hawk and team, first of all, congratulations on some pretty stunning numbers. I've got an easy one and a more strategic one. The easy one is your guide in AI, Hawk and Kirsten, is calling for almost $1.7 billion of sequential growth. I was curious, maybe if you talk about the diversity of the growth between the three existing customers, is it pretty well spread out, all of them growing, or is one sort of driving much of the growth. And then, Huck, strategically, one of your competitors bought a photonic fabric company recently. I was curious about your take on that technology and if you think it's disruptive or you think it's just gimmickry at this point in time.

I like the way you address this question because the way that you address the question to me is almost hesitant. Thank you. I appreciate that. But on your first part, yeah, we're driving growth, and it begins to feel like this thing never ends. And it's a real mix bag of existing customers and on existing XPUs. And a big part of it is XPUs that we're seeing. And that's not to slow down the fact that, as I indicated in my remarks and commented on, the demand for switches, not just some of six, some of five switches, the demand for our latest 1.6 terabits per second DSPs that enables optical interconnects for scale-out particularly. It's just very, very strong. and and by extension demand for the optical components like lasers pin dies just going nuts all that come together now all that is smaller on the relatively lesser dollars when it comes to xpus as you probably guess you know of this to give you a sense maybe let me look at it on a backlog site of the 73 billion or ai revenue backlog over the next 18 months i talked about maybe 20 billion of it is everything else. The rest is XPUs. Hope that gives you a sense of what the mix is. But the rest is still 20 billion. That's not small by any means. So we value that. So when you talk about your next question of silicon photonics as a means to create basically much better, more efficient, lower power, interconnects in not just scale out, but hopefully scale up. Yeah, I could see a point in time in the future when silicon photonics matters as the only way to do it. We're not quite there yet, but we have the technology and we continue to develop the technology. And even as each time we develop it first for 400 gigabits, bandwidth going on to 900, 800 gigabit bandwidth, not ready for it yet. And even with the product, we're now doing it for 1.6 terabit bandwidth to create silicon photonics switches, silicon photonics interconnects. Not even sure it will get fully deployed because, you know, engineers, our engineers, our peers, and the peers we have out there, will somehow try to find a way to still do try to do scale up within a rack in copper as long as possible and in scale up in you know pluggable optics the final final straw is when you can't do it well in pluggable optics and of course when you can't do it even in copper then you're right you go to silicon photonics And it will happen. And we're ready for it. Just saying, not anytime soon.

Thank you, Hawk.

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Carl Ackerman with BNP Paribas. Your line is open.

Yes, thank you. Hawk, could you speak to the supply chain resiliency and visibility you have with your key material suppliers, particularly co-ops, as you not only support your existing customer programs, but the two new custom compute processors that you announced in your quarter? I guess what I can get at is you also happen to address the very large subset of networking and compute AI supply chains. You talked about record backlogs. If you were to pinpoint some of the bottlenecks that you have, the areas that you're aiming to, you know, address and mitigate some supply chain bottlenecks, what would they be and how do you see that ameliorating into 26? Thank you.

It's across the board, typically. I mean, we are very fortunate in some ways that we have the the product technology, and the operating business lines to create multiple key leading edge components that enables today's state of the art AI data centers. I mean, our DSP, as I said earlier, is now at 1.6 terabits per second. That's the leading edge. connectivity, check for bandwidth, for the top of the hip, XPU, and even GPU. And we intend to be that way. And we have the lasers, EMLs, VXLs, CW lasers that goes with it. So it's fortunate that we have all this, and the key active components that go with it, And we see very quick, early, and we expand the capacity as we do the design to match it. And this is a long answer to what I'm trying to get at, which is I think we are, of any of this data center suppliers of the system regs, not counting the PowerShell and all that, now that starts to get beyond us. on the PowerShell and the transformers and the gas turbines. If you just look at the racks, the systems on AI, we probably have a good handle on where the bottlenecks are because sometimes we are part of the bottlenecks, which we then want to get to resolve. So we feel pretty good about that through 2026. Thank you.

One moment for our next question. That will come from the line of Christopher Rowland with Susquehanna. Your line is open.

Hi. Thanks for the question. Just first a clarification and then my question. And sorry to come back to this issue, but if I understand you correctly, Hawk, I think you were saying that OpenAI would be a general agreement, so it's not binding to maybe similar to the agreements with both NVIDIA and AMD. And then secondly, you talked about flat non-AI semiconductor revenue. Maybe what's going on there, is there still an inventory overhang, and what do we need to get that going again? Do you see growth eventually in that business? Thank you.

Well, on the non-AI semiconductor, we see broadband growth. literally recovering very well and we we don't see the others no we see stability we don't see a sharp recovery that is sustainable yet so i guess uh given a one a couple more quarters but we don't see any further deterioration in demand and it's more i think maybe dogs and ai sucking the oxygen a lot out of enterprise spending elsewhere and hyperscalers spending elsewhere we don't see getting any worse we don't see it recovering very quickly with the exception of broadband that's a simple summary of non-ai with respect to open ai Now, before diving into this, I'm just telling you what that 10 gigawatt announcement is all about. Separately, the journey with them on the custom accelerator progresses at a very advanced stage and will happen very, very quickly. And we will have a committed element to this whole thing. And I won't, but What I was articulating earlier was the 10 gigawatt announcement. And that 10 gigawatt announcement is an agreement to be aligned on developing 10 gigawatts for OpenAI over 27 to 29 timeframe. That's it. That's different from the XPU program we're developing with them.

I see. Thank you very much.

Thank you. And we do have time for one final question. And that will come from the line of Joe Moore with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open.

Great. Thank you very much. So if you have $21 billion of RAC revenue in the second half of 26, I guess do we stay at that run rate? Beyond that, are you going to continue to sell RACs or does that sort of that type of business make shift over time? And I'm really just trying to figure out the percentage of your 18-month backlog that's actually full systems at this point?

Well, it's an interesting question. And that question basically comes to how much compute capacity is needed by our customers over the next, as I say, over the period beyond 18 months. And your guess is probably as good as mine based on what we all know out there, which is really what it relates to. But if they need more, then you see that continuing even larger. If they don't need it, then probably it won't. But what we're trying to indicate is that's the demand we're seeing over that period of time right now.

I would now like to turn the call back over to GU for any closing remarks.

Thank you, operators. This quarter, Broadcom will be presenting at the New Street Research Virtual AI Big Ideas Conference on Monday, December 15, 2025. Broadcom currently plans to report its earnings for the first quarter of fiscal year 2026 after close of market on Wednesday, March 4, 2026. A public webcast of Broadcom's earnings conference call will follow at 2 p.m. Pacific. That will conclude our earnings call today. Thank you all for joining. Operator, you may end the call.

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