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spk01: Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Credit Acceptance Corporation Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. Today's call is being recorded. A webcast and transcript of today's earnings call will be made available on Credit Acceptance's website. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Credit Acceptance Chief Treasury Officer Doug Busk.
spk02: Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to the Credit Acceptance Corporation Third Quarter 2022 Earnings Call. As you read our news release posted on the investor relations section of our website at ir.creditacceptance.com, and as you listen to this conference call, please recognize that both contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities law. These forward-looking statements are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, many of which are beyond our control, and which could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. These risks and uncertainties include those spelled out in the cautionary statement regarding forward-looking information included in the news release. Consider all forward-looking statements in light of those and other risks and uncertainties. Additionally, I should mention that to comply with the SEC's Regulation G, please refer to the financial results section of our news release, which provides tables showing how non-GAAP measures reconcile to GAAP measures. Our gap and adjusted results for the quarter include unit and dollar volumes grew 29.3 and 32.1% respectively as compared to the third quarter of 2021. A decrease in forecasted collection rates for loans originated in 2019 through 2022, which decreased forecasted net cash flows from our loan portfolio by $85 million or 0.9%. Adjusted net income decreased 18.5% from the third quarter of 2021 to $179 million. Adjusted earnings per share decreased 3.5% from the third quarter of 2021 to $13.36. Stack repurchases of approximately 54,000 shares, which represented 0.4% of the shares outstanding at the beginning of the quarter. At this time, Ken Booth, our Chief Executive Officer, Jay Martin, our Senior Vice President, Finance and Accounting, and I will take your questions.
spk01: Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. To ask a question, you'll need to press star 1 1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Moshe Orenbook from Credit Suisse. Your line is now open. Moshe, your line is now open.
spk03: Sorry about that. Thank you. I guess I'm trying to kind of think of a way to kind of connect, you know, the slower level of collections that you're observing and what the changes are that you're making to your estimate of total collections. I think the number was roughly twice as large in Q3 as it was in Q2. And maybe could you talk about how to relate that to kind of your adjusted yield, adjusted revenue as a percentage of adjusted capital? Thanks.
spk02: Well, I mean, relative to forecasting, we always try to forecast collections as accurately as possible. And we price to maximize the amount of economic profit that we expect the loans we're originating will produce over time. In doing so, we certainly consider recent trends in loan performance. So we're basically taking all the information that we have at our disposal and using that to forecast loan performance. I think it's important to note that forecasting collection rates is obviously pretty challenging. So our business model is designed to produce acceptable returns, even if loan performance is less than forecast. Having said that, the collection results during the quarter, together with recent originations, caused the adjusted yield to decline from where it was in Q3 of 21 and where it was last quarter. So that, you know, the collection performance in the quarter did contribute to a reduction in the adjusted yield. Is there something I missed?
spk03: I guess I'm trying to think about the adjusted yield into Q4, given that the, you know, the reduction in collections in Q3 was roughly double where it was in Q2. I mean, is it kind of linear? Like, how do we think about that reduction in yield that was, you know, something on the order of 100 and some odd basis points from Q2 to Q3.
spk02: There are a few different moving parts there. I mean, obviously, what happens to loan performance in Q4? The expected return on recent originations would both contribute, but if you hold everything constant, the decline in the collection performance that occurred in Q3 would have a negative impact on the adjusted yield in Q4. But as I point out, you know, there are a couple of moving parts there.
spk03: Right. Got it. And, you know, this has all kind of occurred in something of a roughly stable employment environment. You know, can you kind of think about, you know, how we should, you know, think about those rates if employment were to improve or if it were to deteriorate from here?
spk02: You know, I think the best thing we can really look at there is, you know, our experience during the credit crisis. You look at the 2007 loans, which were originated in a pretty challenging environment, a challenging competitive environment, which tends to hurt loan performance. And then they were serviced in 08 and 09 when the unemployment rate went from 5 to 10%. You know, we did miss our forecast, but we missed our forecast by somewhere between, you know, 250 and 300 basis points. Now, you know, I'm not saying that's what would necessarily occur this time, but, you know, during the great credit crisis, our loans performed pretty close to our expectations.
spk03: Got it. Thanks. And last thing for me is, It looks like in the third quarter, your spread on new loans actually improved from the first half. Just talk about the underlying factors there. Thanks.
spk02: Yeah, I mean, it did improve about 100 basis points. You know, we try not to get into specifics of, you know, pricing and forecasting changes for competitive reasons.
spk03: Okay. All right. Thanks, Doug.
spk01: Thank you. One moment while we queue up our next question. Our next question comes from John Rowan with Jannie. Your line is now open.
spk04: Good afternoon, guys. Hey, John. So I'm going to ask a different version of the last question. So your advance, specifically in the third quarter, was down a decent amount. Your spread was up. Your average volume for dealer partner was up. Those things typically... have an implication if you want to read the tea leaves as far as the competitive environment. And so I'm wondering if you could comment on that and maybe in this conversation overlay what's going on in the ABS market, whether or not smaller issuers are having trouble accessing the ABS market with what's been a pretty volatile spread environment and whether or not that's helping you competitively. I know it's a loaded question, but I feel like all those intertwine and we could have a discussion on it. Thanks.
spk02: Yeah, I think you're right. I don't know exactly what's in the minds of all the competition, but obviously conditions in the ABS market have been challenging as of late. Both base rates have increased and credit spreads have increased, particularly for subordinate bonds. So it wouldn't surprise me if people have reacted to that and are pricing their product somewhat differently than they were six months ago, say.
spk04: And I guess one of the competitive advantages that you have had in prior disruptions, particularly with the ABS market, is the ability to continue to access it. I'm wondering... Where do you think your spreads are going? Forget the changes in benchmark. That is what it is. But do you think your spreads are going to continue to widen out? How do you see your ability to access the ABS market?
spk02: I don't know what's going to happen to our spreads in the future. I mean, it's just a function of capital market conditions. Certainly, We think we present a compelling credit profile for investors, but if you go back to the great credit crisis, there was a period of time when no one was able to access it. I think it really just depends on how challenging capital market conditions become. I think we obviously did very well during the credit crisis, and I think a lot of that you know, despite being unable to access the ABS market for a period of a year or so, a lot of that was just the way, you know, that we positioned ourselves. We have a, you know, and the same is true today. You know, we have a conservative balance sheet with modest leverage, have a significant amount of unused availability on our revolving credit facilities. So I think we're, you know, I can't say what's going to happen in the ABS market, but I like the way that we're positioned at the current time. Okay. Thank you very much.
spk01: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Wildhack with Autonomous Research. Your line is open.
spk05: Hi, guys. Doug, I just wanted to double-click on something you said. You know, when you hold everything else constant, the third quarter is forecasted collections would have a negative impact on fourth quarter adjusted yield is that a one time effect as in the fourth quarter adjusted yield would be lower and that's it or does that trickle in over the life of the portfolio or loans or anything like that yeah i mean since you know we're we're recognizing revenue on a level yield basis on our adjusted accounting you know that if
spk02: loan performance didn't change after Q3, that lower yield would be realized in Q4 and subsequent quarters. Okay. Got it. Got it.
spk05: And then just one more on competition. Subprime auto broadly has been a soft spot consumer credit for a little bit of a while now. Do you get the sense that Accelerating losses are causing competitors to pull back or is it more funding costs driven?
spk02: You know, I don't have I don't have perfect insight, you know into that You know, my understanding is that you know credit in subprime land is generally You know normalized over time It's certainly not as good as it was in 20 and 21 and But, you know, I'm not close enough to what our competitors are seeing to comment beyond that. Okay. Thanks.
spk01: Thank you. And as a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Jason Hahn. with principal global investors. Jason, your line is now open.
spk06: Good afternoon, guys, and thanks for taking the question. And this maybe piggybacks just a little bit off the last question, but we look at a lot of different metrics for your companies, but one of the ones we look at is just sort of the gauge, the overall financial health is just debt to cap, and that ratio has kind of picked up to about 75% for the last few quarters. Um, and then, you know, in terms of your funding mix, you know, in terms of debt, we look at, you know, your, your senior unsecured debt to your secure debt and that, that number tends to bounce around, I don't know, 20% or so for the last few quarters as well. And I guess just as you've seen the origination market turn and pick up pretty meaningful, meaningfully, is there, you know, is there a target funding, uh, you have for each incremental dollar of sales or. you know, is there an upper bound on where that debt-to-cap or that senior unsecured-to-secured funding ratio might trend over the next few quarters? Thank you.
spk02: You know, we don't have specific targets for either, you know, debt-to-cap, or as I think of it, you know, debt-to-equity, or the mix of, you know, unsecured-to-secured. I mean, you know, the way that we approach it is we take a look at different financing strategies and look at sets of financial projections and try to come up with a funding strategy that produces a good result when the capital markets are open and accommodating and produces an acceptable result when capital market conditions are more challenging. So we don't have specific targets, but we're certainly considering risk and refinancing risk as we're making our decisions there. Obviously, the leverage has picked down this quarter. That's really just due to the fact that we're deploying more capital into funding the growth and loan originations as opposed to repurchasing shares. So that's caused our leverage to moderate a little bit. It's worth pointing out that the leverage that we're looking at today is not directly comparable to what it was prior to January 1st of 2020. You have two different methods of accounting here. And I think our leverage on our pre-2020 accounting is about 2.5 to 1. So that would still be kind of a you know, roughly at the high end of the historical range, but it's obviously lower than on our current accounting.
spk06: Sure, no, that accounting change, that's fair, because that definitely had a significant impact. I just didn't know if there was just an upper bound on that ratio where, you know, there was a comfort level or a lack of comfort for management, but your answer is helpful. Thank you.
spk02: Yeah, I mean, there's not a hard and fast, you know, rule, but you look at our track record, we've I think we've run the company pretty conservatively for a long period of time, and I think you should expect that to continue.
spk06: Couldn't agree more. Thank you.
spk01: With no further questions in the queue, I would like to turn the conference back over to Mr. Busk for any additional or closing remarks.
spk02: We'd like to thank everyone for their support and for joining us on our conference call today. If you have any additional follow-up questions, please direct them to our investor relations mailbox at ir at creditacceptance.com. We look forward to talking to you again next quarter. Thank you.
spk01: Once again, this does conclude today's conference. We thank you for your participation.
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