8/5/2025

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. I would like to welcome all of you to Camtech's results zoom webinar. My name is Kenny Green and I'm part of the investor relations team at Camtech. All participants other than presenters are currently muted. Following the formal presentation, I will provide some instructions for participating in the live question and answer session. I would like to remind everyone that this conference call is being recorded and the recording will be available from the link in the earnings press release and on Camtech's website from tomorrow. You should have all received by now the company's press release. If not, please review it on the company's website. With me today on the call, we have Mr. Rafi Amit, Camtech CEO, Mr. Moshe Eisenberg, Camtech CFO, and Mr. Rami Langa, Camtech CEO. Rafi will open by providing an overview of Camtech's results and discuss recent market trends. Moshe will then summarize the financial results of the quarter. Following that, Rafi, Moshe, and Rami will be available to take your questions. Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the statements made by management on this call will contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws. Those statements are subject to a range of changes, risks, and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ and vary materially. For more information regarding the risk factors that may impact Camtech's results, please review Camtech's earnings release and SEC filings, and specifically the forward-looking statements and risk factors identified in the results press release issued earlier today and other risk factors as discussed in Camtech's most recent annual report on SEC form 20f. Camtech does not undertake the obligation to update these forward-looking statements in light of new information or future events. Today's discussion of the financial results will be presented on a non-GAAP financial basis, unless otherwise specified. As a reminder, a detailed reconciliation between GAAP and non-GAAP results can be found in today's earnings release. And now I'd like to hand the call over to Mr. Rafi Ami, Camtech CEO. Rafi, please go ahead.

speaker
Rafi Amit
CEO, Camtech

Thanks, Kenny. Hello, everyone. Camtech concluded the second quarter with record performance. Q2 revenues reached $123.3 million, reflecting over 20% gross year over year. We also maintained our gross margin at around 52%, contributing a record operating income of over $37 million. Revenue distribution remained in line with our expectations and closely matched last quarter results. High-performance computing applications contributed approximately 45% to 50% of total revenue, while other advanced packaging applications accounted for about 20%. The balance came from CMOS image sensor, compound semiconductor, front-end applications, and other general applications. We continue to observe a shift in coax-like production towards OSAT, a trend that plays to our advantages, given Camtech's strong market position in this segment. We continue to see strong momentum heading into the third quarter. Based on the current orders, our sales pipeline and ongoing customer engagement, we expect Q3 2025 revenue to be approximately $125 million, representing an annualized run rate of half a billion dollars, a significant milestone for the company. In addition, we have healthy orders flow and pipeline into the fourth quarter. The advanced packaging segment is rapidly evolving with technological changes to support the fast-paced evolution of high-performance computers for AI applications. Based on analyst research on the semiconductor industry, the advanced packaging market that supports AI applications is expected to grow at an exceptionally rapid rate over the next few years. This growth is being driven by the adoption of new packaging technologies such as hybrid bonding, micro copper bumps with densities below 10 microns, Rdl with line widths of 2 microns and below, and more. This advancement requires -the-art inspection and metrology capabilities combined with AI-based algorithms to detect defects, filter out non-critical issues, and classify defects. Hence, ensure that only high-quality components enter the HPC module assembly line. By integrating advanced inspection and metrology tools, manufacturers can significantly increase yield and gain valuable insight into defect types, empowering continuous process refinement and production optimization. Caltech anticipated the upcoming technological shift several years in advance and made significant strategic investment to develop innovative solutions addressing these emerging opportunities. We have invested heavily in developing cutting-edge platforms that combine exceptional mechanical precision with -the-art optical technologies. These efforts have culminated in the launch of the AUK and Eagle V systems, delivering breakthrough performance and significantly higher throughput compared to our existing system. In parallel, we have been developing software solutions such as enhanced defect detection, EDC, and automatic defect classification, EDC, technologies that will strengthen our competitive edge in the market. The AUK and Eagle G5 have been exceptionally well received by our customers and are expected to generate approximately 30% of total revenue this year, with an even larger contribution projected for the next year. In addition, our micro-proof metrology system, originated from the FRT acquisition, has been successfully adapted and accepted by a tier 1 customer for multiple metrology applications. Over 30 systems have already been installed and are now operating seamlessly in full-scale production environments. In summary, CapTech has solidified itself position for a market leader in its domain. We believe the packaging technologies highlighted today represent significant growth opportunities for us in the coming year. And now, Moshe will review the financial result. Moshe?

speaker
Moshe Eisenberg
CFO, Camtech

Thanks Rafi. Revenue for the second quarter came in at a record $123.3 million, an increase of 20% compared with the second quarter of 2024. The geographic revenue split was similar to last quarter as follows. Asia, 90% and the rest of the world accounted for 10%. Gross profit for the quarter was $64 million. The gross margin for the quarter was 51.9%, similar to the previous quarter, and an improvement from the second quarter of last year. Operating expenses in the quarter were $26.6 million compared to $21.6 million in the second quarter of last year and $24.4 million in the previous quarter. Operating profit in the quarter was $37.4 million compared to the $30.8 million reported in the second quarter of last year and $37.3 million in the first quarter. These record results were achieved despite an increase in the operating expenses, which were mainly due to the exceptionally high shipping expenses related to the conflict with Iran. Operating margin was .3% compared to 30% and .5% respectively. Financial income for the quarter was $4.9 million, similar to the $5 million reported last year, and a decrease from the $5.4 million in the previous quarter. The decrease from the previous quarter was mainly an impact of the weakness of the US dollars on revaluation of certain balance items. Net income for the second quarter of 2025 was $38.8 million or 79 cents per diluted share. This is compared to a net income of $32.6 million or 66 cents per share in the second quarter of last year. Total diluted number of shares as of the end of the second quarter was $49.3 million. Turning now to some high-level balance sheet and cash flow metrics. So cash equivalents, including short and long-term deposits and marketable securities, as of June 30, 2025, were $544 million. This compared with $523 million at the end of the first quarter. We generated over $23 million in cash flow operations in the quarter. Accounts increased to $112 million from $100 million in the previous quarter, mainly due to timing of collection. Inventory level increased to $149 million from $142 million. The increase over the quarter is primarily to support the anticipated sales growth of our new Eagle Gen 5 and Hawk products in the coming quarters. As Rafi said before, we expect revenues of around $125 million in the third quarter. And with that, Rafi, Rami, and I will be open to take your questions. Kenny?

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thank you, Moshe. At this time, we'll begin the question and answer session. If you have a question, please raise your hand via the Zoom platform. I will introduce you and ask you to a few moments for everyone to put themselves in the queue. Our first question will be from Charles Hsieh from Needham. Charles, you may go ahead and ask your question.

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Charles Hsieh
Analyst, Needham

Thanks for taking my question. Maybe the first question, I want to get a little bit of updated thoughts about the composition of the business, maybe for the second half of the year or maybe for the full year, whichever time you guys prefer to discuss. I want to ask HPC, what's the expectation for the second half of the year, maybe from a mixed perspective? Clearly, first half, it has been around that 45 to 50% level. Is it a similar level into the second half or for the full year? And on a related question, I do want to ask, what's the current expectation for China's contribution to the total revenue for the year? Last time, I think you guys were more looking at 35 to 40% of total revenue. Has any of those numbers changed? Thank you.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So thank you, Charles. So let's talk, and we'll start with your first question. We see a positive momentum in the second half. And as we discussed in Rafi's discussion, we have a healthy order flow and pipeline. We provided a positive guidance for Q3 and we'll provide the guidance for Q3 in the next earning call. Regarding the HPC, so we expect the HPC contribution to our revenues in the second half to be not much different than the first half. And regarding China.

speaker
Moshe Eisenberg
CFO, Camtech

Charles, hi. Regarding the China contribution to the business, altogether, China is obviously significant to Comtek, has been so for many years. Last year, the number of the contribution was around 30%. We expect that this year, the contribution will be a little bit higher than that. Still early to say how much will be the contribution for the second half, but we expect it to be a little bit higher.

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Charles Hsieh
Analyst, Needham

Thanks. Okay. Specific on China, no additional quantitative view for the year. Maybe a second question, a little bit more at a higher level, and maybe this is more about product and technology. KLA has been making a good amount of inroads in 2.5D, especially at the leading foundry. And looks like they are looking at the HBM opportunity as well, but so far it looks like it's more around hybrid bonding related to HBM opportunity, maybe a little bit concentrated at one customer that is focusing on hybrid bonding. I want to get your general thoughts on Comtek's position versus potential entry of KLA in your existing HPC markets. What's management thought on how to compete effectively versus KLA? Let's go from there.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Let me start with the hybrid bonding. We see the hybrid bonding as a great opportunity for us. This field is still in the early stages, and we're running our tools today at strategic customers, and we believe that we have the necessary capabilities and inspection and metrology to address the hybrid bonding opportunity. Now, we discussed the KLA penetration and trying to get some into this market. I think we discussed it also in the last call. And we've already been engaged in competition with KLA on multiple occasions, different customers, I would say, for the last couple of years, and we demonstrated that our equipment is highly competitive. I think we are very well positioned to meet the specific requirements of this unique market. And with our latest products, the Hawk and the Eagle 5, even more than in the past, move looking into the future, we offer a very competitive market. Now, in general, the advanced packaging is our market. We are well known. We have excellent relationships with our customers, and we understand exactly the requirements moving into the future. But I, and therefore, I think if I would like to summarize, I think the unique combination of our technology scale, which is important here, and flexibility are key reasons why many customers choose to work with us over larger competitors, who often are slower to respond.

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Charles Hsieh
Analyst, Needham

Thank you. That's all for me.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Charles. Our next question is from Matt Prisco of Canter. Matt, you may go ahead and ask. Guys,

speaker
Matt Prisco
Analyst, Canter

thanks for taking the question. So I guess, first, for your product ramps, can you go over where you're seeing the greatest traction today for both the Eagle G5 and the Hawk in terms of applications and kind of what are the primary drivers behind the strong customer reception here?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So I think it's a few things to drive the new products. So let me start with the Hawk. I think the Hawk provides two very important capabilities that are, first of all, very high throughput that is very important where people are very sensitive to the footprint in the fabs. And on the other side, it provides the path to very, very, I would say, difficult applications that people will need now or into the future. And I think people that are looking into this changing market, that the products are changing, and people are not sure what they will need in a year or two, the Hawk provides a path to address those challenges with the capabilities it has today. And this obviously relates to the micro bumps, you know, with the pitches coming very small, very high numbers bumps, hybrid bonding, a lot of challenges in the inspection market. All of these challenges, the Hawk provides a very, very good solution moving forward. On the G5, I think compared to the Eagle, it's much faster. And I think it addressed it again from the optics point of view, the ability to detect, I would say defects that we couldn't previously address with the current products and other capabilities. So for the price tag of million plus, no doubt today the Eagle provides the best in class solution into the market. So I would say it's two different reasons, it's two different product lines. And I think what I've discussed, these are the reasons for the very high traction by our customers. And I think as we said in our prepared notes, we were able to achieve 30% of our revenues this year with two product lines, which is exceptionally well. And I expect that we will see more next year. And maybe a few words about the applications. So as I said, and I said it may be not clear enough, I just want to make sure that it's well understood. So first of all, the applications are, I would say large number of bumps. That's very important. Very small defects, the Hawk will address defects down to 150 nanometers. And this is very, this is challenging. And this is very important for hybrid bonding and other 2D inspection requirements. And of course the throughput and similarly the Eagle G5 on a different, I would say not to the extent of the capabilities of the Hawk, but definitely a very good solution in the price range that is being offered. If I answered your question.

speaker
Matt Prisco
Analyst, Canter

Perfectly. Thank you. And then as a follow up, given the success you're seeing in these new product ramps and continued success into next year, can you maybe offer some early thoughts based on your visibility and customer conversations and how you're thinking about Camtech's growth prospects overall for the company into 2026? Thank you.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

25, 26? 26. So look, regarding 26, I think our market and specifically the high performance computing are expected to grow rapidly in the coming years. And this market also technologically changes and the HPC is undergoing a lot of changes that we believe will create a lot of opportunities for us. For example, and I think Rafi mentioned it in his prepared notes, fine pitch micro bumps, hybrid bonding, HBM4 and many others. So if I look at these opportunities at our market position, assuming a positive market environment in 2026 will no doubt support another growth here for Camtech.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thank you guys. Thanks, Matt. Our next question will be from Ezra Wiener of Jetrease. Ezra, please go ahead and ask your question.

speaker
Ezra Wiener
Analyst, Jefferies

Yeah, thanks for taking my question. I guess it's a two parter. First, can you talk a little bit about the content uplift from HPM3.3e to HPM4 for you guys? I know there's a couple different paths people are going with it. So what you're seeing there, then second part of that question would be from a CapEx perspective, what you're seeing at your customers and what you're seeing for HPM specifically is we wait for potential qualification. Thank you.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So obviously the HPM market from capacity point of view continues to grow and we're seeing customers adding capacity. Now in general, the uplift and it goes in a few ways. First of all, there are more HPMs per product. We see the density is growing, not drastically, I think the major jump in density from the HPM will come probably late 26, early 27, but definitely on the four, it's moving to more layers and eventually this means that we will scan more wafers. There is some change in the number of bumps, some pitch differences, but all in all, we've already been qualified at some customers for the HPM4. So all in all, it's a very positive path. We're getting very good, I would say, inputs from our customers. So expect that definitely HPM4 will be a positive opportunity for us.

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Ezra Wiener
Analyst, Jefferies

Got it. Then if you could just talk a little bit about what you're seeing in terms of timing for customer spending and kind of the shape of that spend. In terms of HPM4 In

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

HPM4 specifically, I would say that customers are talking to us HPM4. We are starting to see initial forecasts to support the uplift of the HPM4. I think more than that, I will not be able to discuss during this call.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Understood.

speaker
Ezra Wiener
Analyst, Jefferies

Thank you very much.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thanks, Ezra. Our next question will be from Craig Ellis of B. Riley. Craig, you may go ahead and ask your question.

speaker
Craig Ellis
Analyst, B. Riley

Yeah, thanks for taking the question. I wanted to follow up a little bit on HPM4 to start. So it sounds like it's a very immaterial part of revenues today and the visibility may not be clear on when you'd get the crossover from HPM3 to HPM4 related revenues. But if you have some idea of that sounding like 2026, it would be helpful. The question is more this. When you look at the specific feature enhancements in either G5 or HOG, what are they that are very advantageous for HPM4? And what does that mean for trajectory of gross margin as we move through the HPM4 ramp up period?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Okay, so thank you, Craig, for the question. Now, first of all, the equipment that we sold, most of the equipment that we sold to HPM3 will be used for HPM4's web. So it's not that the, you know, what we sold in 25 or 24, this is immaterial for the additional growth. So this, some of this equipment has already been qualified to address the HPM4. So, specifically, this is in general. However, there is an uplift. There is going to be an increase in capacity for the HPM4. And what I indicated in my previous answer is that we are already in the process of talking to customers about the focus for HPM4. Definitely, this will start to happen early in 26, where in this we will ship equipment to support the HPM4. More than that, I will not be able to give you any details. Now, going to the hawk versus the eagle. The advantage for the hawk, as I discussed in one of the previous questions, are two things. First of all, it's the throughput, which means immediately much better footprint in the fab. It's the ability to address large number of bumps, and the HPM is going into this direction. Its inspection capabilities today, already down to 150 nanometers, already we are demonstrating it at customers. This capability will be able to support also the HPM, the hybrid bonding requirements. So definitely, all in all, when a customer is looking today, whether he wants an eagle versus he wants a hawk, those that are thinking about the future and want to ensure that they will be able to support their products in two or three years, some of them lean towards making a higher investment today and buying the hawk. From gross margin, in general, the hawk is more expensive, and it will have a positive contribution to our gross margins. Did I answer your question, Greg?

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Craig Ellis
Analyst, B. Riley

Yes, it does, Rami. Thank you very much. And the next question is a somewhat intermediate to long-term question. And I'll start with congratulating the team on being just inches from driving the business to its 500 million run rate target. So good for you for getting so close to that target. But the question is this, if we look at the list of incremental growth drivers, we spent a lot of time on HPM4, and it sounds like that would be at the top of the list. But as we think about growth through 2026, what are the next couple of applications that we should be focused on as your bigger incremental growth drivers over the next 18 months? Thank you, team.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So I think first of all, no doubt the high-performance computing is going to be a main driver for our business. This goes to metrology, in general, 3D metrology. It's also the high-performance computing. And Rafi, in his prepared remarks, talked about the, I would say, phenomenal success we have seen at the Tier 1 customer with our metrology line. And that's a line that's also going to contribute, I think it's a very good growth engine, metrology in general, for our business. And so I would say that the high-performance computing and getting into more and more applications, we're gaining more and more traction on the inspection part. And definitely that's a big market with our capabilities on the G5 and on the Hawk specifically, ability to go and detect very small defects in the range of 150 nanometers will definitely try a lot more applications outside also the high-performance computing. I think we are going to gain some traction with our new software capabilities, which we discussed in the prepared remarks. The EDC and the ADC, I won't go into all of the details. Definitely these are technologies that are going to push us much, I would say, would give us a lot of strength on the inspection side. But all in all, no doubt, we are in a market that's going to grow at the run rate with what I hear from all the different analysts over 25% growth in the next few years. So definitely I think this is the main driver. Of course, our task is to gain more and more applications in this market. Now, we haven't forgotten the other markets. I would say the conventional advanced packaging, fan out and other applications still have a very nice momentum. And last but not least today, I think still we see a lot of opportunities in the front end. Compound Semi is comparatively depressed in the last couple of years, but definitely this is an opportunity looking into the future. And don't forget, we have, I think, about 350 customers, 200 active every year. A lot of ones and twos that all of them will definitely provide additional opportunities in the foreseeable future.

speaker
Craig Ellis
Analyst, B. Riley

Thank you, Rami.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thanks, Craig. Our next question is going to be from Gus Rashad of Northland. Gus, please go ahead.

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Gus Rashad
Analyst, Northland

Yes, thanks for taking the question. Just in terms of the OSATs, can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing in terms of applications, how that compares to the traditional foundries that do advanced packaging for HPC?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Hi, Gus. It's a very interesting process that we are seeing because I think we started to talk about it a year ago that we expected the OSATs to start to take, I would say, a position in the high-performance computing. And this is definitely what we're seeing. They used to do, they started to go into the heterogeneous integration a couple of years ago. Started with these applications, we are seeing major OSATs today, some of them just do the COAS, and I think that the TSMC made some remarks about it, about specific names, but definitely we're seeing all the major OSATs going into COAS, or what we call COAS-like, it's something similar. It's becoming a significant business, and then we're definitely, it's a significant number of orders that we're seeing for these applications from the major OSATs. Gus?

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Gus Rashad
Analyst, Northland

Gus? Yep, can you hear me?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Yes, did you hear my answer?

speaker
Gus Rashad
Analyst, Northland

No, but I can follow up later.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

All right, so we'll have a follow-up later. Thank you, Gus.

speaker
Gus Rashad
Analyst, Northland

Yeah, follow-up is how do you see the opportunities for like chiplets and advanced packaging?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Well, look, the chiplets, we look at the chiplets in general as part of the high performance computing. Eventually it's a chiplet, which is either the GPU or CPU, depends on the actual, I would say, design of the high performance computer, and with it, it's surrounded by the bandwidth memories. So from that point of view, when we talk about APC, we specifically talk about chiplets, the high-end chiplets, but in general, no doubt, this market is picking up as part of all the changes in the market, and I think from all the numbers that I'm seeing, it will continue to grow very, in a very healthy way in the foreseeable future.

speaker
Gus Rashad
Analyst, Northland

Got it, thanks.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thanks, Gus. Our next question is from Tom O'Malley of Barclays. Tom, you may go ahead and ask a question.

speaker
Tom O'Malley
Analyst, Barclays

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question, and apologies if this got asked already, I just topped on from another one, but I think you guys gave advanced packaging is about 20% of the revenue mix in the quarter. Can you talk about how much of that is HBM today versus a year ago? Has the percentage within advanced packaging grown pretty materially, and maybe give us an update of how much of that is HBM today?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Okay, so let me, Tom, let me get the numbers correct. So 70% of our business goes to what we call advanced packaging. High-performance computing or HPC, whichever name you go, is part of our advanced packaging. So out of these 70%, 50% goes to HPC, and 20% goes to what we call conventional advanced packaging, such as fan out. In the HPC, and because of the, we do not specify what goes to chiplets and what goes to the high bandwidth memory, and the reason for it that there are changes, and it depends when the orders are coming, and it's too complicated, and therefore we've been just talking about high-performance computing, and for the last few quarters, we've been at a run rate where 50% of our total revenues went to high-performance computing, which includes HBM and chiplets.

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Tom O'Malley
Analyst, Barclays

Gotcha. Thank you for that. I wanted to ask a little bit of a strange one, so bear with me. In a world right now where you have two major memory suppliers that are qualified on HBM for the largest guy in the world, and there's a third that's attempting to do that pretty aggressively, which world suits you the best into next year? A world in which it is still two guys that are qualified that need to add more capacity, or a world in which there are three qualified guys, all who are serving the market? If you could walk through that, that'd be super helpful. Thank you.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So, you know, we don't have any preference whether it will be two or three. All of the players today are very good customers to us, and if one of them that is not qualified will be qualified, we will enjoy it with additional applications and steps, and we're working very closely with all of them. So we're fine with two, and we will be very fine also with three.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Tom? Tom, you're on mute.

speaker
Tom O'Malley
Analyst, Barclays

I'm all good with those two. Thank you, guys.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thanks, Tom. Our next question will be from Edward Yang of Oppenheimer. Ed, you may go ahead and ask.

speaker
Edward Yang
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Hi, thanks for the time. Moshe mentioned high shipping costs that may have elevated your OPEX. Is that moderated now?

speaker
Moshe Eisenberg
CFO, Camtech

Yes, this has been kind of an exceptionally high level of shipping expenses due to the conflict with Iran. Now that the conflict is muted to some degree, the shipping expenses went back to normal rates, and we don't expect anything like that in the third quarter if the situation remains as is.

speaker
Edward Yang
Analyst, Oppenheimer

And can you quantify what the impact was in the second quarter?

speaker
Moshe Eisenberg
CFO, Camtech

It was over half a million dollars.

speaker
Edward Yang
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Yes. Got it. And just to clarify on the positive momentum that Rami was talking about, then you're seeing in the second half of the year, are there any seasonal puts and takes that could impact fourth quarter, or should we also expect that to grow revenue sequentially? And for the 2026 expected growth, the street is modeling about 7% total revenue growth, but that's slower than what's typical for you. So maybe you could help us reconcile any divergence there or any reason why we shouldn't see another year of double digit growth for Camp Tech in 2026. Thank you.

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So, you know, it's too early definitely to talk about Q4, and we will discuss it in the next earning call. But as I said before, there is a positive momentum in the second half, and this is based on orders on hand, on orders that are in the pipeline. And as we said, we didn't provide a guidance for Q3 that is positive. And therefore, I think the overall second half is definitely as we said, it's a positive momentum. Now I'm going back to 2026, and you know, there are lots of discussion today how 2026 will look like. But again, I think really this is much too early to discuss it. And this is a very dynamic market. Things are changing so fast here. This is true with the technology. This is also true with everything that we do. But as I said, the high performance computing is growing rapidly and will continue to grow in the foreseeable future. And with the technical changes and everything that is happening in the market, assuming a positive environment in 2026, definitely will lead to another growth here for Camp Tech. What will be the percentage? It's really too early. Unfortunately, it is too early today, but we'll talk it in future calls.

speaker
Edward Yang
Analyst, Oppenheimer

Fair enough. Thank you very much.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thank you. Thanks Edward. Our next question will be from Dennis Piatchinin of Stiefel. Dennis, please go ahead and ask your question.

speaker
Dennis Piatchinin
Analyst, Stiefel

Hi, thank you. This is Dennis on for Brian at Stiefel. So for my first question, maybe you could discuss that for HBM4. What is the expected ratio of Hock versus Eagle shipments? Would you expect to be roughly even or do you think for HBM4 that customers would require more of the newer system?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So first of all, this is very customer dependent. And so we don't really give these numbers of Eagle versus the Hock per applications. As I said, the Hock has specific advantages in term of capabilities in throughput, accuracy, and other aspects that for certain applications, and specifically for those that want very high volumes in the HBM4 may take some of the capacity will move into Hawks. But then again, this is very customer specific. And as we said, both products are very successful in the market. And definitely there is and don't forget, it's not just HBM. A lot of the business goes to the conventional, advanced packaging, and there are many other applications where the Eagle line, I think is the best product for the price it is offered today in the marketplace. But then again, we'll probably as time goes by, we'll be able to give you a much more, I would say, clearer estimations and discuss this a little bit more accurately. But that's more or less what we see today.

speaker
Dennis Piatchinin
Analyst, Stiefel

Great. Thank you. Yes. Can you hear me? Yeah. Okay, great. And then for my follow up, maybe you can tell us a little bit more about the OSATs. So do the OSATs continue to exhibit more signs of strengthening? And maybe you can tell us, you know, what's driving this? Is it just the co-host or something else? And you know, do you have any view of found your OSAT logic expansion plans for second half of 2025 and into 2026?

speaker
Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Well, definitely 2026 is too early to discuss the OSATs. And don't forget, a lot of these players are still planning 26 and are still not in a to release orders to give us the actual forecast. But I think for OSATs today, where we see a lot of the growth is coming first of all from the HPC, as we discussed before, the major OSATs are starting to produce the COAS and COAS-LIFE applications. And this is definitely a very high growth area. And I think this trend started a year ago. We see it undergoing today and will continue into the foreseeable future. But don't forget, there is a lot of regular advanced packaging, some fan out and other applications. We see a lot of this business still strong in the OSATs. And we're shipping equipment to address those applications. As we speak, in each of the quarters, that's some of the application that OSATs are buying equipment from us. So I would say from the OSATs, the major, I would say, two applications are the ones I discussed.

speaker
Dennis Piatchinin
Analyst, Stiefel

Wonderful. That's it for me. Thank you.

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Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thank you. Thanks, Dennis. Our next question will be from the VEC, Ariyeh, from Bank of America. VEC, please go ahead.

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Michael Lani
Analyst, Bank of America

Hi, this is Michael Lani on for VEC, Ariyeh. Thanks so much for taking our questions. To start, I just wanted to ask about one of your major Chiplit customers, which is covering some challenges currently. They recently revised their outlook for their capex in 2026 pretty meaningfully. So the question is, have you seen any major changes to the investment plans at any your Chiplit customers? And to what extent could this already be reflected in your backlog? And could we see this demand be made up by some of their other customers over time as well?

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Rami Langa
President, Camtech

Well, there are discussions about, and the forecast may move by quarter here and there. And this happens on a regular basis that people move around their forecasts. We have not seen anything significant in terms of changes in the forecast or shipments. So I can't comment on anything more than I've just said.

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Michael Lani
Analyst, Bank of America

Got it. Understood. Thank you. And just on your newer products, you said that 30% of sales this year would come from Hawken G5. So could you give us an idea of how much of that is weighted in the second half? And then, I guess my main question, kind of the spirit of other questions that people have asked earlier in the call, I mean, how much incremental growth are these new tools driving for you? Would you say that they're mainly replacing, for now, mainly replacing the demand that you would normally see for your older systems? And is it possible that we won't see the incremental growth from new applications, new customers really until we get to something close to the HBM4? Just how would you frame the incremental growth opportunity over the near term from these new tools?

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Rami Langa
President, Camtech

So let me answer your first question. So first of all, the G5 was actually introduced in the market a little earlier than the Hawk. So we've started to ship it in larger quantities already the beginning of the year. Actually, if I recall correctly, the first shipments were done in Q4 of 24, and then we gradually increased it. So it was really loaded very nicely already in the first half, and we continue to see the growth into the second half as well. The Hawk, the shipments actually started a little later, and it's more, I would say, the load. Well, maybe I would say we started more in the second quarter, and we'll probably, most of the shipments will be divided on three quarters. And obviously, we will see more shipments, and I would say the percentage will definitely be higher in 26. Now, going into applications, definitely we are seeing more applications, but I will put it in a different way. I think that our product lines today, when we talk about the G5, is more competitive than the Eagle, and it's definitely more competitive today compared with our competition. So I think definitely this will mean for us potentially to take market share as we move into the future and gaining some applications. And this is these applications that require, I would say, more performance, and it's always throughput, and it's always better detection. So this is in general. When we talk about the Hawk, definitely these are capabilities that we didn't have before. So definitely this will open a lot of opportunities for us as we move along, and but still it's too early to quantify.

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Michael Lani
Analyst, Bank of America

Great, thanks so much.

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Rami Langa
President, Camtech

You're welcome.

speaker
Kenny Green
Investor Relations, Camtech

Thanks, Yvek. That will end our question and answer session. Before I hand back to Raffy for his closing statements, I'd like to mention that in the coming hours, this call will be available from the investor relations section of CAMTEC's website. That's camtech.com. And with that, I'd like to thank all of you for joining this call. Raffy, please go ahead and make your closing statements. Raffy?

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Rafi Amit
CEO, Camtech

Okay, I wasn't muted. Sorry. I would like to sincerely thank all of you for your continued interest in CAMTEC. A special note of appreciation goes to our dedicated employees, an exceptional management team for the outstanding performance and commitment. To our investor, I am truly grateful for your trust and long-term support. I look forward to updating you in our continued progress in the next quarter. Thank you.

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