Canaan Inc.

Q3 2023 Earnings Conference Call


spk04: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Canine's third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the management's prepared remarks, we will have a question and answer session. Please note that this event is being recorded. Now, I'd like to hand the conference over to your speaker host today, Mr. Clark Susi, investor relations director of the company. Please go ahead, Clark.
spk03: Thank you. Hello, everyone, and welcome to our earnings conference call. The company's financial and operating results were released by our Newswire services earlier today and are currently available online. Joining us today are our chairman and CEO, Mr. Nan-Gun Jung, and our CFO, Mr. Jin-Chung James. In addition, Mr. Leo Wong, IR Senior Director, Ms. Shi Zhang, IR Manager, will also be available during the question and answer session. Mr. Chang will start the call by providing an overview of the company and performance highlights for the quarter. Mr. Chang will then provide details on the company's operating and financial results for the period before we open up the call for your questions. Before we continue, I would like to refer you to our safe harbor statement in our earnings press release. Today's call will include forward-looking statements These statements include but are not limited to our outlook for the company and statements that estimate or project future results of operations or the performance of the company. These statements speak only as of the date thereof, and the company assumes no obligation to revise any forward-looking statements that may be made in today's press release, call, or webcast except as required by the law. These statements do not guarantee future performance and are subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions. Please refer to the press release and the risk factors and documents we file with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including our most recent annual report on Form 20F for information on risks and uncertainties that may cause actual results to differ materially from those set forth in such statements. In addition, during today's call and webcast, we will discuss both GAAP financial measures and certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe are useful as supplemental measures of the company's performance. These non-GAAP measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for or an isolation from GAAP results. You can find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures including reconciliations with comparable GAAP results in our earnings press release, which is posted on the company's website. With that, I will now turn the call over to our chairman and CEO, Mr. Nganjian. Please go ahead, sir.
spk07: Hello, everyone. This is NG, the CEO of Canon. Thank you for joining our conference call. James and I are at the company's headquarters in Singapore to share our quarterly results with you. During the third quarter of 2023, Bitcoin prices continued to decline and remained within a low price range. At the beginning of the quarter, the Bitcoin price was around US$30,000 and reached its quarterly low point of around US$25,000 in September. It then stayed in the range of $25,000 to $27,000 until the end of the quarter. During the third quarter, the total network hash rate remained fairly stable at around 400 exahash per second. Warners faced slim profit margins and there was a lack of motivation and not enough capacity for further investment and expansion of mining computing power. At the macro level, the US Federal Reserve raised interest rates by 25 basis points to 5.5%. The high interest rate environment limited Bitcoin prices upward movement and increased miners' financing and interest costs. As a result, the industry's purchasing and deployment capabilities were impacted. Meanwhile, inventory pressure on in-store mining machine models continued to rise. As mining machine manufacturers reduced prices to clear their inventory ahead of the upcoming halving event, we observed considerable price concessions in computing power. In the face of this challenging market environment, we achieved total revenue of $33.3 million, exceeding our guidance. At the same time, we kept carrying out our development strategies. This includes focusing on product R&D and integration, promoting multi-channel sales strategies, and exploring mining partnerships. We also maintained prudent and flexible operational management to ensure stable cash flow and ongoing business operations. This will help us to prepare for potential market opportunities in the future. Now let me go to more detail. First, we are committed to R&D and investment in production capacity. This allows us to upgrade our products to achieve breakthroughs in machine hash rate performance and energy efficiency. During our 10th anniversary event in mid-September, we officially launched our new generation of mining machine, the A14 series. The output A1466 achieves a hash rate of 150 terahatch per second with a power efficiency of 21.5 joules per terahatch. At the same time, we introduced the liquid-cooled A1466i mining machine, which achieves power efficiency below 20 GHz for the first time and has 170 THz per second of computing power. Besides our current offerings, we are actively developing new products. Following our usual practice, We will announce their performance once the machine testing is complete. We believe these products in the pipeline will align with next year's market mainstream production power efficiency level of 10 to 20 draws per terahash. We are also in the process of delivering our air cooled and liquid cooled integrated site solutions, which we have developed in-house. include 40-foot and 20-foot air-cooled mining box container products and 40-foot liquid cooling Avalon box mining container products. Our products are highly integrated, thus enabling rapid deployment, making them well-suited for mining in challenging natural conditions of cold and hot weather. On the sales front, we are boosting sales in a number of channels, including large clients, distribution networks, and online retail. We are also offering favorable prices to reduce inventory. During the quarter, we achieved a total computing power sold of 3.8 million terahatch per second. This represents an 8.7% increase compared to the same period last year, contributing about $30 million in revenue. In North America, we successfully completed the delivery of buck orders to Stronghold, a listed mining company. In Southeast Asia, our computing power sales reached 1.3 million teras per second. This figure was a 90.7% quarter-over-quarter increase achieved through deeper collaboration with channel clients. Our online store achieved computing power sold of 420,000 terahash per second this quarter, a 17% increase compared to the previous quarter. Our online store also expanded its reach to five new regions, including Poland and Peru, bringing its total number of regions its customer orders to 42. Following the September release of A14 series, we have received contract sales orders and prepayments for computing power of about 2 million terahit per second from customers worldwide. In addition, our multi-channel sales efforts are bringing the planned destocking of our and below traditional models closer to completion as expected. As previously announced, our mining business in Kazakhstan has been temporarily suspended since the third quarter due to the impact of new regulatory policies, and we need to obtain the relevant permits. we have also experienced a breach of contract by a mining project partner in the US. As a result, mining revenue for this quarter declined to US$3.26 million. However, we believe mining is a strategic part of our business, and short-term setbacks in certain regions will not affect our long-term strategy. we will continue to prudently explore cooperation opportunities. During the quarter, we expanded and diversified our mining footprint when we completed the deployment of several new projects in North and South America. Notably, the latest batch of 2,000 of our 13446 mining machines was successfully deployed and launched for our joint mining project with the listed mining company Stronghold in the third quarter. As of the end of the third quarter, we had approximately 4 exahash per second computing power deployed. We also hold 860 bitcoins owned by us, reaching a historical high with a current market value of over 30 million US dollars. Recently, we have been expanding our mining opportunities in South America and Africa. In the Middle East, we carried out our first pilot collaboration with our integrated liquid cooling mining solutions. We have been We have also been addressing some previously announced issues. In Haddax 10, we worked together with local mining partners to obtain the Type 2 license required for mining equipment owners in mid-November. We are currently working to register our locally deployed mining machines and are in the discussion with our mining partners to prepare for the resumption of operations. We expect that our mining projects in Kazakhstan will gradually resume around the end of 2023. For the project I just mentioned, where our US partners breached the contract, We have successfully taken possession of approximately all the mining machines involved. We have now restored about half of these machines. At the same time, we are carrying our legal procedures to protect our legitimate rights. The marketing environment in the third quarter was challenging. We endeavored to maintain cash flows and operations. and accumulate assets with strong growth potential. This will help us to allocate resources and lay for a foundation of full market after the next halving. We have also recently managed cost more prudently and optimized and adjusted our company's organization. We have reduced our total headcount to increase operational efficiency and reduce fixed operating cash outflows, smoothly navigating through the market downturn. These measures have been gradually carried out in the fourth quarter. We expected to see potential data reflecting these changes starting from the first quarter of 2024. Meanwhile, due to the overall weakness in the market purchasing power, we further adjust price to quickly clear the inventory and generate cash inflow. However, this adjustment also results in some non-cash provisions and impairments, leading to a considerable loss of this quarter. In terms of financing, we announced today a sales of convertible preferred shares of up to 125 million U.S. dollars subject to customary closing conditions with an institutional investor. This deal ensures we are able to carry out R&D and mass production of new products in case of tightening cash flow amidst the bear market. This safeguards our product supply and market share in the future bull market. We have not utilized our ATM since the third quarter to date. However, we recently adjusted our ATM project by appointing B-Ready as the new sales agent. Looking ahead, the Bitcoin price has been a notable rebound since mid to late October, which is encouraging. We are closely monitoring the market and flexibly adjusting our sales strategy and supply chain to adapt to changing market demands. However, it's important to note that sudden price increases in Bitcoin often come with increased volatility. The US Federal Reserve's seem likely to keep interest rates high for a while, and a rate-cutting cycle may not happen for some time. The financing and operating costs of our downstream miner customers remain high, and the basic landscape remains unchanged. Additionally, with Bitcoin halving approaching, market sentiment will likely be more cautious. Taking these factors into consideration, I believe that the first quarter has shown signs of improvement compared to the third quarter. However, we shouldn't expect the best-case scenario of both rising price and volumes to happen quickly. Based on the overall situation mentioned above, we provide a highly cautious outlook for the fourth quarter of 2023. We expect revenue of the first quarter of 2023 to be approximately $34 million, slightly higher than the third quarter. This forecast is based on the company's current market and operational conditions, and the actual results may vary. Finally, I would like to discuss our AI business with you. After several years of hard work, we have built a solid foundation of our AIoT chip R&D and sales, especially with the industry recognition since the release of K230. This is a small step in our strategic plan. Given the significant changes in the AI industry over the past few months, we have been strategically discussing the future of our AI business. In light of the current industry and the market environment, we believe that the development of our AI business should take a more defined, independent, and long-term direction. We are internally restructuring the business with the goal to clearly separate the mining machine and the mining teams from AI business as different business units. This prepares us for the future independent operation and potential financing for AI business. Both businesses will have enough scope for their future development. Personally, I'm really excited about this internal organization change. We operate in an industry full of variables and rapid changes, creating new history every day. This truly tests our operational capabilities. Over the 10 years since Canaan's inception, we have run into many difficulties and challenges. We have constantly improved our technical and operational capabilities to face and resolve these issues. Amidst a number of uncertainties, one thing is certain, our strong confidence in the Bitcoin network This emerging transaction system has operated remarkably stable over the past 14 years. Its user base and network hash rate have both continuously expanded. In recent years, more and more investment institutions have shown increased interest in cryptocurrencies, especially Bitcoin. They have also recognized it as an important asset class. With ongoing process in the regulatory environment, the divided between the general public and Bitcoin is narrowing. I believe this will be a crucial driver for the next bull market. We remain committed to growing alongside cutting-edge technology partners to continuously upgrade chip features. At the same time, we will support Bitcoin's system and a range of other beneficial activities with robust computing power. We will continue to deliver superior products and services to our customers while contributing to societal progress. Thank you, everyone. This concludes my prepared remarks. Thank you. I will now turn the call over to our CFO, James. Thank you.
spk01: Thank you, NG, and good day, everyone. This is James speaking at our Singapore headquarters. As NG studied the core ways, I would like to say the market environment in the third quarter of 2023 was still unfavorable. First, after Q1's surge and Q2's calmness, Bitcoin price in quarter three showed a downward trend. It declined from $30,000 in July to about $25,000 in September, even though it climbed near to $27,000 by the quarter end. Secondly, the miners' profits were still limited by the high level of total networking computing power around 400 exahash per second. And the miners' purchasing power was weakened by the high financing interest cost. Thirdly, along with the product upgrading, the price competition among mining machine manufacturers was more fierce, especially the price of older generation machines continued to decline. These factors should be considered when analyzing our Q3 numbers. Despite the market downward volatility, geopolitical headwinds regulatory changes, and other unfavorable factors from operation, we continued to execute our strategy and deliver the results through continuous investment in R&D, multiple channel sales development, and prudent cash flow management. Let's start with profit and loss. Overall speaking, in quarter three, total revenue generated was $33.3 million, which beat our guidance of $30 million, but down 54.9% quarter over quarter. Our revenue from machine sales was $29.8 million, and our mining revenue was $3.3 million. Regarding our machine sales, We delivered a total computing power sold of 3.8 million terahash per second, representing a year-over-year growth of 8.7%, but a sequential decline of 38.7%. And the average selling price declined from $9.5 per terahash per second in quarter two to $7.9 per terahash per second in quarter three, The decrease in ASP was mainly due to the reduction in the selling price and the increase in the sales proportion of A12 series in terms of stock clearance. Considering both factors of power sold and ASP, our revenue from mining machine sales was $29.8 million, decreased 48.5% from $57.8 million in the last quarter. Specifically, for our mining machine sales, we accrued $53.9 million for inventory write-down, prepayment write-down, and provision for reserve for inventory purchase commitments in this quarter. The inventory write-down was recorded based on most recent subsequent selling price when we offered further price concessions for A13 series. Those write-downs and provisions are made under US GAAP rules jeopardizing our gross profit and making the quarterly loss bigger, but do not impact our cash status. If the above write-downs and provisions were included, we would have a gross profit for our mining machine sales of $1.1 million and a gross margin of 3.9%. Turning to our mining business, Our mining revenue was down 79.5% quarter over quarter and down 64.6% year over year. As we announced in August, we temporarily shut down 2x hash of our mining computing power in Kazakhstan since July to ensure legal compliance. It caused our total deployed hash rate to decrease to 4x hash per second and our installed hash rate to decrease to 1.9x hash per second in this quarter. As NG previously stated already, By our active working with local partners and the local government, we've already obtained all the relevant licenses in mid-November. Despite these effects, We mined 117 Bitcoins in this quarter and achieved 14.5 Bitcoins for mining profit. Gross profit margin reached 10% for our mining business in this quarter. Please note here that mining profit or loss is defined as the proportion of mining revenues deducting costs for energy and hosting in terms of mining revenues without consideration of depreciation. Shifting to our AI business, AI revenue was $0.2 million in this quarter. As Angie mentioned, we are now restructuring the AI business as a more independent business segment from mining machine and a self-mining business, which could benefit our long-term development as well as open the possibility for AI to conduct independent financing. Now, let us look at the expenses. Our R&D expenses were 17.2 million US dollars in this quarter compared to 17.9 million US dollars in the last quarter and 17.6 million US dollars in the prior year period. Our sales and marketing expenses were 2.5 million US dollars compared to 2.4 million US dollars in the last quarter and 2.1 million US dollars in the prior year period. Our general and administrative expenses in this quarter were 21.9 million U.S. dollars compared to 26.4 million U.S. dollars in the last quarter and 21.7 million in the prior year period. Our operating expenses totaled 43.8 million U.S. dollars remaining year-over-year stable and decreasing 10.7 percent quarter-over-quarter. The sequential decrease was mainly attributable to the reduced staff costs. We have recently optimized and adjusted our organization through a series of measures, including reducing total headcounts, increasing operational efficiency, and lowering operating cash flows. These measures are a move that can help us with near-term operating leverage against the fierce competition. The effects of these measures will begin to be reflected in our operating data from quarter one, 2024. The net result of the foregoing was an operating loss of 112.8 million U.S. dollars for this quarter, compared to 119.1 million U.S. dollars in the last quarter. Benefited from foreign exchange gain and deferred tax assets, the net loss was 80.1 million U.S. dollars, compared to 110.7 million in the last quarter. Turning to our balance sheet and cash flow, during quarter three, we spent $36 million to sustain the wafer supply and the machine production. Other cash payments included $15 million for operations. The cash flow totaling $51 million was partially offset by cash inflow of $26 million from sales. So net-net at the end of the third quarter, we had a cash and cash equivalents of 41 million US dollars on our balance sheet. We are glad to announce today that our balance is further bolstered with a capital injection up to 125 million US dollars in the form of convertible preferred share sales with multiple trenches subject to the customary closing conditions. We intend to use the net proceeds from this capital raise to fund the R&D, expansion of production scale, and other general corporate purposes. As of the end of this quarter, we recorded accounts receivable of $9.8 million declining 0.3 million US dollars compared to the end of quarter two. We did not implement more installments in quarter three and will continuously evaluate market demand and adopt corresponding credit policies with caution. Now turning our attention to our Bitcoin assets. We held a record high 860 Bitcoins as our own holding asset of September 30, which is 113 more than 747 at the end of June. We also held 378 Bitcoins received as customer deposit, which is the same as the balance of June 30. From August 29, 2023, the date we reported our quarter two financial results, to November 28, 2023, we neither utilized the ATM nor purchased any ADS. On November 10, we terminated the ATM agreement with the former sales agent. And we announced on November 13, we have adjusted our ATM project by appointing Bea Riley as the new sales agent. In the future, we will prioritize shareholders, carefully monitor cash flows and stock prices, and flexibly execute any potential ATM sales or stock repurchases. In quarter four, we anticipate a revenue of $34 million. In the end of 2023, the price of Bitcoin is still facing a challenging environment, and the price competition remains intense. Policy changes regarding cryptocurrencies and mining in different countries will also add uncertainty to industry operations. We may face unforeseen obstacles. Based on the above comprehensive situation, we give a cautious expectation for the fourth quarter of 2023. Now, I would like to briefly walk you through our financial results for the quarter. Revenues in the third quarter of 2023 were $33.3 million as compared to $73.9 million in the second quarter of 2023 and $145.5 million in the same period of 2022. Gross loss in the third quarter of 2023 was 69.1 million US dollars compared to a gross loss of 70.1 million US dollars in the second quarter of 2023 and a gross profit of 32.6 million US dollars in the same period of 2022. Total operating expenses in the third quarter of 2023 were $43.8 million, compared to $49.0 million in the second quarter of 2023 and $43.1 million in the same period of 2022. Loss from operations in the third quarter of 2023 was 112.8 million US dollars compared to a loss from operations of 119.1 million US dollars in the second quarter of 2023 and a loss from operation of 10.5 million US dollars in the same period of 2022. Net loss in the third quarter of 2023 was 80.1 million US dollars compared to a net loss of 110.7 million US dollars in the second quarter of 2023 and a net income of 6.3 million US dollars in the same period of 2022. Basic and diluted net loss per ADS in the third quarter of 2023 were 47 cents US dollars. As of September 30, 2023, the company had a cash and cash equivalents of $40.6 million. This concludes our prepared remarks. We are now open for questions.
spk04: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. As a courtesy to other investors and analysts who may wish to ask a question, please limit your questions to three questions at a time. If you have any follow-up questions after the Q&A session, the investor relations team will be available after the call. To ask a question, please press star 11 and wait for our name to be announced. For the benefit of all participants on today's call, if you wish to ask your questions to management in Chinese, please immediately repeat your questions in English. One moment for the first question. First question comes from the line of Mr. Lucas Pipes from B. Reilly Securities. Please go ahead. Mr. Pipes, your line is now open. You may unmute locally.
spk05: Thank you very much, operator. Good morning, everyone. Good evening. My first question is on the marketing side, and I wondered, in the current environment, could you speak to what you compete on? Is it price? Is it financing? Is it the quality of your product? If you could maybe just share a little bit of of color on that, I would appreciate it. Thank you.
spk07: Good evening or good morning. I think for this industry, the most important factors are product performance and price. Regardless of the ways of competition, these two aspects should always be a top priority. In addition, it is crucial to establish our unique features. Looking at the current and future market, it is essential to make targeted adjustments and customize product designs at the system level based on the specific needs of our customers. For example, We have dedicated a lot of effort recently to ensure our systems can operate reliably in hash environments and this has received a lot of positive feedback from our customers. I believe we are industry leaders regarding product quality and customization. Right now, I think the key focus is on rapidly improving product performance while reducing the cost.
spk05: Thank you. Very helpful. Thank you for that. I wanted to touch on the chip procurement strategy at this time. With where the market is today, how are you looking at making commitments to your suppliers? Thank you very much.
spk07: I think given that we are currently in the process of product integration and considering the voluntary market conditions. We have adopted a sales-driven production strategy. This means that we determine the quantity of wafers to be ordered based on the number of contracts on the sales side. certainly with a certain percentage added.
spk05: That's very helpful. Good to hear as well. Thank you. And then one last one for me. I'm just curious how maybe the U.S. market is holding up more specifically and also what some of the key differences you might be seeing between the U.S. and other markets globally. Thank you.
spk07: In the United States, minor customers are primarily institutional clients and their funding often comes from the capital markets. Currently, financing costs in the United States remains relatively high. However, we have observed that financing channels that were almost closed in the past past year are gradually reopening. As a result, there are signs of recovery in mining machines demand in the U.S. market along with the reopening of financing channels. The U.S. market has relatively high demand of mining machines and the competition is far as well. it's necessary to provide both top performance and competitive pricing. Given that the U.S. market has constantly been a sizable one, it's become a highly competitive battleground.
spk08: Thank you.
spk05: Thank you very much for all the color, and to you and to the team, best of luck.
spk04: Questions? One moment for the next questions. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Donovan from HC Wainwright. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thank you, operator. This is Michael Donovan calling in on behalf of Kevin Deedy. NG and James, congrats on the quarter. Can you discuss a bit more about the inventory levels of older generation machines? Are they completely gone now?
spk07: Yeah. As planned, The stocking process of models up to A4 is now nearly complete. So our focus has recently shifted to clearing stock of the A13 series. Yes.
spk06: Okay, thank you. That's helpful. Now for the order levels for the new A14 series, what are the trends you're seeing in fourth quarter?
spk07: Yes, our newly launched A14 series mining machines have a higher computing power and a much better power efficiency, making them more competitive. we start pre-sales in mid-September, we have received future contracts for about 2 million terahash per second. These orders are going to be making their ways into the supply chain for production. Yes.
spk06: Okay, great. Now we can switch to self-binding. We have about four Exahash currently deployed. How much are you generating now in terms of the fourth quarter, and how much more do you have to deploy?
spk07: Yeah. Mining remains a long-term strategic part of our business, so we continue to explore mining cooperation opportunities with other regions. In the third quarter, the pilot project batch of computing power for new projects in North and South America entered operation. The latest batch of 2,000 of our A1345 mining machines was successfully deployed at the launch for our joint mining project with Stronghold. Yeah, so at the end of the third quarter, we have about 4x of hash per second of computing power deployed. Also, recently, we have expanded our mining computing power in South America and Africa. In addition, we signed contracts for a new project in the Middle East during the fourth quarter. This includes our first pilot collaboration with our in-house integrated liquid cooling mining solution, which is currently in progress deployment and installation testing. Also, we already obtained the type 2 license for our mining operations in Kazakhstan in mid-November as required by the country's new mining policy. Obtaining this license means we are legally permitted to conduct Bitcoin mining activities in Kazakhstan. So at the present, we are in the process of adjusting the mining machines deployed locally under this license. We are in discussions with our mining partners to prepare for the reception of operations. If all goes smoothly, we can expect our mining project in Kazakhstan will gradually resume operations around the end of the year. Thank you.
spk06: Thank you, NG. I'll hop back and pick you.
spk04: Thank you for the questions. One moment for the next questions. Our next question comes from the line on Michael Lick from the Benchmark Company. Please ask your question.
spk09: Thanks. Wanted to touch base on the preferred offering you're doing of $125 million. Can you talk about some of the terms of that, whether it's convertible or whether there's a dividend, board seat, et cetera. Just give us a little bit more information on that, please. Thanks.
spk01: Thank you, Michael. James speaking. I think today we announced sales of convertible preferred shares of up to $125 million with multiple trenches subject to the customary closing conditions. I think the specific preferred share details are available in the documentation released today on our Form 6-K. I think we intend to use the net proceeds from this capital raise to fund our R&D and expansion of production scale and other general corporate purposes. I think that's the basic idea of doing this fund raising. Thank you, Michael.
spk09: Okay, that's it. Okay, I'll check the 6K for the details. And then just I want to follow up on Michael's question on the inventory. What percent is finished goods A14s of the inventory, and how much of it is still raw materials versus older models?
spk01: Michael, currently A14 series is still a purely new product, so we are placing the orders of wafers, and then we can get the finished goods In late quarter one, I think that's the schedule. So currently, we don't have any finished goods. I mean, the current stock, we will wait for the wafers coming out and produce the chips and then assemble the machines and deliver to our customers later.
spk09: Okay. So of the $217 million of inventory, how much is raw materials versus older finished goods?
spk08: Okay. Oh.
spk07: I think about maybe one-third of the numbers is the finished goods for AE13 series. Another two-thirds is I think it's diversified to many different categories. stages like the chips or already assembled PCB but not still waiting for assembly to the machines and maybe there's also some percentages still at the wafer level. But I think there's no wafer still in process.
spk09: Okay, and then just one last question. Can you comment on where you think your market share is today, how you're seeing your sales versus your competition? Thanks.
spk07: Yeah, I think, yeah, it's a very volatile market this quarter. But for the third quarter, it's quite a boring quarter. So I don't think the market share numbers have some significant change in sort of quarter three. Usually we think it's about 20% or close to that number is our market share. For the first quarter, we can observe the significant sales But still, there is about one month to go. Also, we can observe that there is a significant hash rate increase in quarter four. We are still waiting for that number.
spk09: Okay, thank you.
spk01: And Michael, you know, our two major competitors, they are private companies, so they don't disclose their result. So we have no accurate number of the whole market share. NG has described the, you know, the sense about the market share.
spk09: Okay, great. Thank you. Questions?
spk04: Our next question now comes from the line of Shuang Sun from Guosheng Securities. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hello, so can you hear me?
spk08: Yes, please.
spk02: Oh, okay. My first question is how has the computing power price recovered from the bottom? When and to what extent?
spk08: Thank you for the question.
spk07: From what we've seen so far, the demand was quite low throughout the entire third quarter. However, as we moved to the first quarter, we noticed an increase in demand, especially in the past few weeks. But there has not been a significant increase in the average selling price. It's important to note that Bitcoin price has only experienced a noticeable upturn in the past few weeks, and the market typically does not react so quickly.
spk02: Okay.
spk07: Thank you.
spk02: Okay. Thank you. My second question is that with increasing demand from AI computing power nowadays, can you secure enough wafer supply with the foundry? What's the cheap process node of your mainstream products and which foundry do you collaborate with now?
spk08: Yeah.
spk07: The chips used in our mining machines adopt a different process node and we are fabricated on a different production line from mainstream cloud-based AI computing chips. And I think the current bottleneck in AI chip production primarily is in advanced packaging. From my observation, it has not yet impacted the production capacity of the advanced process node. The fabrication process of our current mainstream products aligns with that of our peers. The capacity for this advanced process It's only available from a selected few top-tier semiconductor foundries. And also, we have established long-term partnerships with these foundries.
spk02: Okay. Thank you.
spk04: Thank you for the questions. And in the interest of time, I would like to turn the call back over to the company for any closing remarks.
spk03: Hello, everyone, and thank you again for joining our Q3 earnings conference call today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach us through the contact information provided on our website. And thank you again.
spk04: That concludes the call today. Thank you, everyone, for attending. You may now disconnect.

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