Canaan Inc.

Q1 2024 Earnings Conference Call


spk05: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by and welcome to Canaan 8's first quarter of 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. After the matchments prepared remarks, we will have a question and answer session. Please note that this event is being recorded. The company's financial and operating results were released by the Newswire services earlier today and are currently available online. The company has also prepared a presentation for today's call. You may view the presentation and navigate through the slides on the webcast page for the first quarter 2024 earnings call on the company's IR website. Joining us today are Canon Inc.' 's Chairman and CEO, Mr. Nungun Zhang, and CFO, Mr. Jingcheng James. In addition, Mr. Leo Wang, Head of Capital Markets, Ms. C. Zhang, IR Manager will also be available during the question and answer session. Mr. Chang will start the call by providing an overview of the company and performance highlights for the quarter. Mr. Chang will then provide details on the company's operating and financial results for the period before we open the call up for your questions. Before we continue, I'd like to refer you to our Safe Harbor Statement in our earnings press release. Today's call will include four looking statements. These statements include but are not limited to our outlook for the company and statements that estimate or project future results of operations or the performance of the company. These statements speak only as of the date hereof and the company assumes no obligation to revise any forelooking statements that may be made in today's press release, call or webcast except as required by law. These statements do not guarantee future performance and are subject to risk. uncertainties and assumptions please refer to the press release and the risk factors and documents we filed with the securities and exchange commission including our most recent annual report on form 20f for information on risks uncertainties and assumptions that may cause actual results to differ materially from their set forth in such statements in addition during today's call and webcast we will discuss both gap financial measures and certain non-gap financial measures which we believe are useful as supplemental measures of the company's performance. These non-GAAP measures should be considered in addition to and not as a substitute for or in isolation from GAAP results. You can find additional disclosures regarding these non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations with comparable GAAP results in our earnings press release, which is posted on the company's website. And with that, I'll turn the call over to our Chairman and CEO, Mr. Nangin Chang. Please go ahead, sir.
spk02: Hello, everyone. This is NG, CEO of Canon. Thank you for joining our conference call. Our CFO James and I are at the company's headquarters in Singapore to share our quarter results with you. The first quarter of 2024 was the last quarter before Bitcoin's first halving. During the Q4 of 2023 earnings call, I forecasted this to be a super wait and see period. Based on the past experience, in the last quarter before halving in Bitcoin system, miners typically wait for the halving to actually occur and the market dynamics become stable before adjusting their investments and mining rate purchasing plans. They also try to maintain the stable operation of existing computing power to maximize the remaining value of their equipment. Therefore, transactions during this period are generally very flat. The only variable was a rapid fluctuation in Bitcoin price during this quarter, reaching a historical high of $33,000. We seized this opportunity to make maximum efforts in sales activities, selling a total computing power of 3.4 million terahash per second and achieving a total revenue of 35 million US dollars, surpassing previous expectations. At the same time, anticipating a market recovery will continue to proactively prepare in various aspects, including the mass production of new products and the R&D integration of next generation products. Striving to improve mining operations and computing power deployment, we maintain close cooperation with our foundry partners on the supply side, laying off capacity in advance for the bull market our efforts have yielded positive results. Now let me share with you one by one. In terms of research and development, we are delighted to announce that we officially launched our company's new generation of mining machine, the A15 series, at the Bitcoin Asia 2024 in Hong Kong on May 9. The A15 series adopts more advanced designs and the process nodes, achieving significant improvements in both computing power and energy efficiency compared to the previous generation. As an event, we showcased the A1566 engineering prototype machine with actual computing power exceeding 185 terahertz per second and energy efficiency better than 18.5 joules per terahertz. The machine operated very stably, demonstrating excellent performance. We believe that the A15 series will become a more competitive product choice in the post-having computing power market. Meanwhile, this quarter, our A14 products have entered mass production and delivery. Through close collaboration with Foundry partners, We have completed capacity ramp-ups and yield rate improvements this quarter. As we enter the second quarter, the A14 series products have begun concentrated delivery and will transition to support sales in the third quarter. We will continue to manage the pace of capacity locking, invest capital into mass production, and meet order delivery needs. Additionally, the R&D of our next-generation product, the A16 series, is proceeding as planned. This quarter, we once again introduce products to the consumer market. The Aero Nano 3 Mining Heater. This product, with its possible and lightweight design and various colors, receives active contract orders from the consumer market. since its launch. We continue to provide customers with more diverse and customized products in the comprehensive mining solutions, such as integrated mining container products. We have received positive feedbacks from customers regarding product performance, durability, and service quality. In terms of mining machine sales, this quarter We deliver 3.4 million terahertz per second of computing power, reflecting the wait-and-see attitude towards purchasing sports mining machines before the hobby. Additionally, as we transition through product integrations, we have completed the first batch delivery of our A14 pre-sale orders in the first quarter and are now accelerating mass production deliveries. Since the pre-sale launch of A14 product in late 2023, it has continued to be popular. By the end of the first quarter, customer advances primarily driven by A14 products amounted to about $39 million, nearly double the $19.6 million at the end of 2023. After the successful completion of halving in the second quarter, we have seen a significant increase in purchasing inquiries and expect to receive more customer advances. Our A15 series products made their official debut at Bitcoin Asia 2024 in Hong Kong on May 9th. And within three days after the summit on May 12th, we signed MOUs and received earnest deposits from 26 customers, which we are currently folding up on forming contract sales. Over the past few years, the company has established good sales coverage in markets with energy cost advantages. After the halving, customers in this market continue to show active interest in our traditional models. Based on the current situation, we are optimistic about the sales pace of A13 spot inventory and expect to complete the transition of mainstream products for sales in the third quarter of this year. Additionally, in North America, where institutional miners are concentrated, We are working to enhance brand and product recognition. Besides previous cooperations with public-traded companies such as Cypher and Stronghold, this quarter we also signed an agreement with Morrison Digital for the first time. At the Bitcoin Industry Conference in Dubai and Hong Kong this year, we actively discussed cooperation opportunities within institutional and distributor customers. In Southeast Asia, distributor customers generated sales revenue of $5.7 million for this quarter, up by 27% sequentially, making a stable contribution to sales orders. Our online store for overseas retail clients continues to diligently serve each customer, especially after the launch of the consumer-oriented mining machine Avron Nano 3, which has attracted active orders from individual etheresis and current orders of near 10,000 units, occasionally selling out. The company's comprehensive mining solutions also received more orders this quarter. By the end of the first quarter, our mining business installed computing power increase to 3.8 exahash per second, a nearly 100% growth quarter over quarter. The growth is primarily due to our continued partnership adjustments and the recovery efforts in Kazakhstan after obtaining the necessary licenses, as well as the progressive deployment of mining cooperation projects in other regions, further diversifying our mining operations. During this quarter, the energization condition was favorable, and with the combined impact of the rapid increase of Bitcoin price from January to March, as well as the rise in transaction fee rewards, we achieved mining revenue exceeding US$10 million this quarter. By the end of Q1, The number of BTC held by the company increased by 148, surpassing 1,000 for the first time to reach 1,057 BTC, with a current market value of over $65 million. We will continue to carefully balance policy stability and the locational advantages of energy costs. and persist in cultivating our mining business. Since the first quarter, the company has continued to improve at the overall operational level by pushing forward and adopting flexible sales strategies. We have made good progress in clearing out inventory, significantly reducing inventory levels on the balance sheet while also optimizing the inventory mix. Coupled with the gradual collection of accounts receivable, sales cash inflows have continued to improve. As the number and the value of Bitcoin held by the company increase, this portion of cryptocurrency assets will provide us with a substantial potential liquidity safeguard. While maintaining an overall robust balance sheet and keeping cash at a safe level, we endeavor to direct cash towards mass production. This is reflected in increased prepayments, primarily used for securing production capacity of advanced processing technologies. On the expense side, the organizational optimizations previously showed further positive effects in the first quarter. Despite the overall market conditions this quarter, the company continues to implement pricing strategies to drive sales, which has resulted in some inventory write-downs. However, the overall net loss of this quarter has significantly narrowed. Since the first quarter, apart from the previously-declosed US$15 million settlement of preferred stock, the company has not engaged in any other financing activities, including ATM offerings. In line with routine practice for US listed companies, a new shelf registration statement was submitted to the SEC just before the expiration of the last one to maintain the validity of our financing eligibility. Looking ahead to the second and third quarter of 2024, Our A14 mining machines have successfully passed through the stages of transition to mass production, capacity ramp-up, and yield rate improvement, entering the phase of accelerated bulk delivery. Regarding our mining operations, post-having, we are evaluating and adjusting our existing mining projects. especially after the official launch of the new A1566 product, there has been a significant increase in calories for mining machine cells, and we have already received several earnest deposits. Now, we are swiftly advancing the shipment for protocol machines, aiming to convert these intention orders into actual sales contracts as quickly as possible. Based on my personal experience, in the weeks following the halving, miners will gradually start their computing power purchases, preparing for the new four-year cycle. This process will also initially reflect in volumes and supply and demand dynamics shift computing power prices expected to recover more quickly. However, we need to note that the self-interest rate cut cycle has not yet begun, resulting in high financing costs for miners, and there is uncertainty regarding the timing of Bitcoin price increases, posing challenges to the industry. Based on the comprehensive situation described above, we maintain a cautiously optimistic outlook for the second and third quarters of 2024. For the second quarter of 2024, the company expects total revenue to be approximately $70 million. For the third quarter of 2024, the company expects total revenue to be approximately $70 million. This forecast is based on the current market and the operational conditions of the company, and the actual results may vary. Overall, the period leading up to the 2024 Bitcoin halving, including the entire first quarter, was a super great and seed season for the mining machine market. However, we also witnessed many positive changes within the industry and at the company's level. At the beginning of 2024, the Bitcoin spot ETF was approved for listing by the US SEC. And by the end of April, the Hong Kong stock exchange approved the listing of multiple cryptocurrencies for ETFs. These milestone events will further encourage traditional finance to participate in Bitcoin's development. By the end of the first quarter, the price of Bitcoin reached a new all-time high of $73,000. On April 20th, the Bitcoin trading system, which has been operating smoothly for 15 years, completed its fourth halving on schedule, starting a new four-year cycle. This series of events confirmed that the Bitcoin trading system has formed a strong consensus and continuously expanding its user base, forming a closer connection with traditional finance. all of which indicate a broader potential of industry growth. Looking at the underlying operation of Bitcoin trading system, with the smooth completion of halving, we anticipate that, on one hand, existing miners will face a new wave of equipment upgrades. On the other hand, as the Bitcoin price stabilizes and increases after halving, more miners are expected to join the mining activities, which will significantly boost the demand for computing power. However, due to the limited production capacity on Bitcoin computing power supply side, the shift in supply and demand relationships may potentially drive the prices of computing power up. The company's A14 products are being delivered successfully And the new A15 series products have debuted and opened for pre-sales. And our one-stop comprehensive mining solutions and AgroNano3 products are being brought to market. They are gradually gaining recognition for more customers. On the product side, the company is addressing two diverse needs of different customers. with a richer and more efficient selection of products. At the same time, we continue to lock in production capacity on the supply side with advanced processes and comprehensively reach customers at the sales level. Recently, the company's management, including myself, announced a proposed ownership expansion plan. We are very confident in seeding the market opportunities driven by the surging demand path rate, continuously supporting the Bitcoin network with our computing power, and creating long-term value for our shareholders. This concludes my prepared remarks. Thank you, everyone. I will now turn the call over to our CFO James. Thank you.
spk01: Thank you, NG. And good day, everyone. This is James speaking at our Singapore headquarters. As NG studied at the top of the course, this quarter was a super wait and see period that occurs every four years as the last complete quarter before the halving event of Bitcoin. Despite the subdued market, we continued to execute our strategy. First, we were committed to wafer capacity investment and R&D activities of new generation machines. This allowed us to mass deliver A14 series since April, to upgrade our products achieving breakthroughs in A15 series, and to enrich our product portfolio with Avalon Nano 3 and integrated mining solutions. Secondly, we enhanced a flexible and multi-channel sales strategy to enable us to accelerate destocking of existing products and accumulate contract sales orders for A14 series. Thirdly, we adhered to our own mining strategy, continued to expand mining deployment, and strived for operation excellence. Last but not least, we continued to manage cash in a prudent way and streamline our expenses to make sure strategical tickets be prioritized. Let's start the introduction from profit and loss. Q1 total revenue was $35 million, which beat our guidance by $2 million, or 6%. Our revenue from machine sales was $23 million, and our mining revenue was $10 million. Regarding our machine sales, we delivered a total computing power sold of 3.4 million terahash per second, representing a year-over-year decrease of 20% and a quarter-over-quarter decrease of 38%. And the average selling price decreased from $8.2 per terahash per second in quarter four to $6.9 per terahash per second in quarter one. Coupled with the multiple factors including before having the new year and the lunar new year, the market demand in this quarter was quite weak. And we could only sell current inventory of older generation products. These factors lead to the decreases of our computing power sold and average selling price. From sales side, we were committed to execute a multi-channel sales strategy. Our distribution channels in Southeast Asia performed in a good way, contributing 5.7 million US dollars to our total quarter one revenue, representing a 27% sequential growth. We continued to gain from Southeast Asia region after moving headquarters to Singapore and developing distribution channel in different countries like Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia. I'd like to discuss the orders and the revenue of our integrated mining solutions, which diversified our product revenue streams. In quarter one, we received the customer payments of 4.9 million U.S. dollars from purchase orders for our integrated mining solutions. These orders are gradually delivered. Therefore, 0.2 million U.S. dollars was recognized in quarter one revenue. The remaining 4.7 million U.S. dollars will be delivered in quarter two and contribute to our quarter two revenue. Specifically, For our mining machine sales, we accrued $47.5 million for inventory write-down, prepayment write-down, and provision for inventory purchase commitments in this quarter, representing a 14% decrease sequentially. The decrease was driven by accelerated stocking in this quarter. Those non-cash write-downs and provisions are made under U.S. GAAP rules. jeopardizing our gross profit, but do not impact our cash data. If the above write-downs and provisions were excluded, we would have a gross profit of $0.1 million for mining machine sales. Turning to our mining businesses, our mining revenue increased 182% quarter over quarter. We mined 195 Bitcoins in this quarter, an increase of 92% over the last quarter. The increases were not only driven by increases in Bitcoin prices, but also by increases in our energized hash rate. Our average revenue per Bitcoin in quarter one increased 47% over the last quarter, from almost 37,000 US dollars to almost $54,000. Our energized computing power in Kazakhstan recovered to 1.1 exahash in quarter one. We also further expanded our mining business in Africa, increasing our energized hash rate to 0.9 exahash. At the end of quarter one, our energized hash rate totaled 3.0 exahash per second, increasing 58% over the last quarter. Our mining profit was 121 Bitcoin, which increased 250% compared to the last quarter. Gross profit doubled quarter over quarter to 3.5 million US dollars for our mining business. Please note here that mining profit or loss is defined as mining revenues net of costs for energy and hosting, but without consideration of depreciation for the deployed machines. Now turning to expenses. Our operating expenses totaled 31 million U.S. dollars, decreasing 19% year-over-year and 22% quarter-over-quarter respectively. Staff costs, including share-based compensation, decreased 27% year over year, and 11% quarter over quarter, driven by organizational optimization performed in quarter four last year. As the Bitcoin price rose, no further impairment for our self-mining machines was accrued in this quarter, which reduced the operating expenses by six million US dollars compared to the last quarter. I want to point out that we chose to early adopt the FASB new accounting rules on cryptocurrency assets since January 1, 2024, which allow cryptocurrencies to be carried at their fair market value. According to these accounting rules, the cumulative effect of $19 million was recorded to the opening balance of our retained earnings. As the Bitcoin price increased from US$42,000 on January 1, 2024 to US$70,000 on March 31, 2024, again, a fair value change of US$33 million was recognized in our quarter one profit and loss. As the second trench of preferred shares was issued in January, We recognized the remaining unconverted preferred shares as a liability and recorded a non-cash gain on fair value of two million US dollars, according to US accounting rules, compared to a non-cash loss of 10.9 million US dollars in quarter four. Benefiting from the narrowed gross loss, the lower expenses, and the gain from the fair value change of cryptocurrency and financial instruments. Quarter one net loss was 39 million US dollars, narrowing 72% quarter over quarter and 53% year over year. Turning to our balance sheet and the cash flow. In quarter one, We generated $48 million of cash inflows from sales, received $50 million from preferred shares financing facilities, and $10 million from export VAT refunds. We paid $88 million to secure our waiver supply, and $61 million for production and operation. Our increasing investment in wafer supply is aimed at enabling the concentrated delivery and spot sales of our A14 series products in the following quarters. Consequently, at the end of quarter one, we held cash and cash equivalents of $55 million on our balance sheet. Now moving on to our contract liabilities. Our A14 series has continued to be popular since the pre-sale beginning in late 2023. The balance of contract advances reached 39 million US dollars as of this quarter end, nearly doubled from 19.5 million US dollars at the end of the last quarter. As of the end of quarter one, We recorded a count receivable of 1.6 million US dollars, a decrease of 45% compared to the last year end. We will continuously evaluate market demand and adopt corresponding credit policies with caution. Now turning our attention to our Bitcoin assets. The Bitcoins we held as our own holding asset kept growing in this quarter. and reached a record high of 1,057 Bitcoin as of March 31st, which is 148 more than the 909 at the end of last year. As previously mentioned, we adopted the FASD new rules effective January 1st, 2024. On March 31st, the fair value of our owned Bitcoins totaled 75 million U.S. dollars. Combined, our balance of cash and owned Bitcoins demonstrate approximately 130 million U.S. dollars of liquidity. Turning to our fund raising, in early January 2024, we closed the second trench of our preferred shares financing, raising total net proceeds of 49.9 million U.S. dollars. This has been reported in the previous quarterly release. After that, we have not done any fundraising. We expect our quarter two revenues to be $70 million, and quarter three revenues to be $70 million, respectively. We are glad to see that our A14 products are being successfully delivered. series products have debuted and opened for presale, and our one-stop comprehensive mining solutions and Avalon Nano 3 products are gaining recognition from more customers. We will continue to address the diverse needs of our varied customers with a richer and more efficient selection of products. This concludes our prepared remarks. We are now open for questions.
spk05: Thank you. We will now begin the question and answer session. As a courtesy to all the investors and analysts who may wish to ask a question, please limit yourself to three questions at a time. If you have any follow-up questions after the Q&A session, the investor relations team will be available after the call. For the benefit of all participants on today's call, if you wish to ask your question to the management in Chinese, please immediately repeat your question in English. To ask a question, please press star 1 1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1 1 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Once again, the star 1 1 for questions. First question comes from the line of Kevin DD from HC Wainwright. Please ask your question.
spk03: Hi, James. Yes, hi. NG and James, thank you very much for having me on the call. Can you hear me okay?
spk01: Yes.
spk03: Great. Okay. NG, right off the bat, I'm going to apologize because my first question is on long, and a little convoluted. But I think you'll understand where I'm going, and I know you gave me a great answer. So I'm wondering how all these factors combine together. Number one, we have the many Canaan new products coming to market. We have the A14, we have the A15 coming soon, and the A16 in R&D. So I'm wondering how you balance product cycles against the fact that liquid cool machines tend to last longer. and a semiconductor improvements are incrementally less, uh, from process geometry change to process geometry change.
spk02: Yeah. Uh, good morning. Uh, for, um, I think in the term of our major product series, we are still in cycle of iterating generations roughly every three quarters. This pattern also applies to our next generation product. I think this is beneficial for both customer choices. and hash rate deployment planning, because you have a quite clear prediction of our new products. And in terms of power efficiency, our mainstream products released last year have entered the range of 20 to 25 draws per hash. And with the products of first half of this year are in the 15 to 20 joules per tash range. And I believe the next target for the industry will be in the 10 to 15 joules per tash later this year or next year. These R&D efforts are progressing systematically. Yeah, so also I want to mention, apart from the chip development, we are actually accelerating in the chip to machines and to mass production stages. I will have an example here. The A15 LASH has an example. We went from receiving the chips to have a stable running machine in less than 72 hours. Within less than 10 days, multiple proto-machines with excellent performance and stable operations were showcased in public events like exhibitions. For today, we are in the process of sending fresh portal machines to customers for testing. We are continuing to improve our user experience. We have comprehensive solutions from the machines to the Avalon Box containers even the consumer level Algo Nano 3 products. Yeah, so I think this will give you some guidelines for what will happen in the next, like, 18 months or two years.
spk03: Okay, thanks, NG. You made it very clear, both James and you made it very clear that you're holding over 1,000 Bitcoin. And I'm wondering, I'm sure many people are wondering how you consider that. Would you consider selling them at some point in order to raise capital, in order to fund your business? I understand $88 million for a wafer run, that's a lot of money. So I'm just kind of wondering how you're thinking about that.
spk02: I think for the bitcoins we are currently holding, today our communist policy is only use the bitcoin to pay the mining electricity bill and all other bitcoins we will hold. And also when we receive some bitcoins from our small cells, we will hold most of them. I mean, we will hold most of the profit from the sale. Yes, and currently we have no plans to sell the Bitcoins. But I think we are considering to maybe do some financing operations to let the Bitcoins generate more Bitcoins. I think maybe James can have some idea on this.
spk01: Yeah, currently we are starting on different approaches as using Bitcoins as collateral and also can generate new financing interest either in Bitcoins or in other cryptocurrencies like the USDT. So we are talking to different vendors to see the possibility and the potential to generate more cash flows and the profit for our shareholders. I think we are still in the starting phase and once we get some solutions, we will let our investors know that.
spk03: Last question for me. Okay, last question for me. Just curious about your perspective on the competitive environment. You know, obviously Yihan Wu is back in the market at Bitdeer. The Auradine machines are expected to come out this year. I appreciate your perspective on Canaan's revenue. Obviously, a pretty bright outlook. I'm just wondering how you see that competitive environment shaking up.
spk02: Thank you, Kevin. Yes, we have also noticed some new entries in the market recently. Some have announced that their designs are in the table space, while others have shared results from like shape testing. However, I think without expectation, we have not seen bug machine deliveries in the open market yet. So once machines are actually delivered to the market, we will conduct some research. However, we cannot comment on products that have not been delivered. I think the entry of new players indicates that the bull market for mining machines is approaching. It's mainly seeing the industry prospects and choosing to invest and enter the market. At the same time, this phenomenon also suggests that the industry, including ourselves, inevitably have errors that not fully satisfy our market partners or our customers in terms of products, pricing, customer service, customization, sales coverage. I think this led us to accelerate progress and improvement. The entry of these new players clearly brings more vitality to the industry But of course, the barrier to enter the mining machine business is extremely high now. I think developing an excellent mining chip is already very challenging at this stage. However, this is likely just at the beginning of the journey of hardships towards growing into an excellent brand and the road ahead is indeed a lot. It has been 11 years since I delivered the world's first AC Bitcoin mining machines to customers and although we have accumulated a lot of experience over time, my respect for this industry has only grown. So in preparation of this cycle, we have made a lot of preparations, including not only a roadmap for new products, but also production capacity deployment. I think additionally, as many machine providers, we must continuously serve our customers, especially during industry downturns. which is not easy. I think I have endured several past cycles. Only a few, including us, have persisted, and we are the only one among them that is a publicly listed company. Sorry for a little bit long.
spk03: Thank you. Thank you very much, gentlemen. I appreciate you. taking the time to answer my questions, and thanks for having me on the call.
spk02: Thank you, Kevin. Thank you.
spk05: Thank you, Kevin. Our next question comes from the line of Shuang Sun from Quotient Securities. Please ask your question, Shuang. Hello, hello. Can you hear me?
spk00: Yes.
spk04: You mean the performance or... Okay. Yeah.
spk02: Yes, I think we have already demonstrated our A315 series. The model is A1566 in the Hong Kong event. With an average computing power of 185 terahash per second and a power efficiency of better than 18.5 joules per cache. I think this performance is on par with competing products currently on the market. I think at this stage we are preparing the Proto machines to our customers to demonstrate the machines on the field. So everything is going very smooth. We hope we can push it to mass production as soon as possible. Yeah, but you know, there's really a long production period due to the cutting edge technology. So it just feels some months away.
spk04: Thank you. The second question is, what do you think about the sustainability of the company? Please share your review of the continuity of the company's operations.
spk01: Thank you, Sean. I will take this question. I think first of all, we should take a look at our balance sheet. In the end of March 31st, we have 55 million cash on hand. And also, we have another 1,057 bitcoins. As of today, it equals like 65 million US dollars. Putting this together, we have the liquidity, total liquidity, like $120 million together. In quarter one, our expense together is about $31 million, which including one-third of the expense is non-cash expense. Actually, the cash expense for routine business is like 20 million per quarter. So 120 million compared to the 20 million spending. So that means another six quarters to go if we don't do anything. But of course we are doing preparations for bull market. We have to be very careful about the cash management. I think currently we have already seen a lot of improvements from cash inflows as the A14 series has already been delivered on schedule and we have already collected cash gradually from our customers. Step by step we will collect more cash in quarter two and quarter three as we predicted the revenue will be higher. And also, most of the credit customers have already completed the payments for their orders, and our account receivables have decreased sequentially. The sales cash inflows, I think, has already been showed in the customer advances, doubled the previous customer advances. So I think from the inflows, a lot of good news. On the other hand, we have to control the capacity of pays and the locking proportion of cash into mass production. That's something we have to do. That's why in quarter one, our cash payment to lock the waiver is about $88 million. So it's a lot. So putting this together, while we maintain a safe level of cash reserves, While we have more than 1,000 coins, we have a substantial potential liquidity safeguard on hand. Looking to me, it's quite safe. Overall speaking, the company is able to maintain continuous operations with overall risks being relatively controllable. But of course, we have to work very carefully in a prudent way to manage the cash. Thank you for the questions, Sean.
spk04: Okay, thank you. The third question is, how does the company view this year's profit and loss forecast? Please share your view on the timing of return to profitability this year. Okay.
spk01: Yeah, I think profitability is always a question from investors. People would like to see the bear market end. and to see our profit coming back as the bull market. I think the most interesting thing in our industry is the average selling price. I think that we can see our past three years average selling price could be below $7 per terahash or above $70 per terahash. So I think the main factor driving profitability is still the increase in computing power prices. I think this fundamental reason behind the rise in computing power prices is still the shift in supply and demand dynamics. As the price of Bitcoin increases, attracting more miners into the market, there could be a surge in demand for computing power. With this kind of condition, under such cases, given the limited supply capacity of the advanced process using our mining machines, I think the price of computing power could potentially rapidly increase. Therefore, it is anticipated that after halving, as our Bitcoin price is still fluctuating, but after it is stabilized and the rise, the total network computing power decreases, the expanded profitability of mining could potentially attract a large number of new miners coming in. So as miners begin to purchase computing power, sales volume will initially react. And as the supply-demand relationship changes, computing power prices will quickly recover. So currently, computing power prices have already been recovering from the market low. Our current assessment is that losses loss could continue through the first two or three quarters of 2024. But there is a big potential opportunity for gross margin to turn positive or even significantly improve in the third and fourth quarter, especially the fourth quarter. So for the full year, we will try our best to see if there is any possibility to get break even. But it looks to me, the trajectory will be from the loss to earnings in the coming one year time. Step by step, we will be there. Thank you, Sean.
spk04: I think after A14 series shipment, we have already seen more active purchasing inquiries and a stronger sales cash inflows.
spk01: after halving and after our A14 series shipment. It looks like the cash flow operations and the balance sheet are also improving. I think as just mentioned, we have already did the financing in quarter four and quarter of 2024 with the total cash like $136 million. We do not have any urgent equity financing plans in the near term. So I think that's a clear answer. We do not have urgent equity financing plans in the near term. Thank you, Shuang.
spk04: Thank you, Shuang.
spk05: Thank you. If there are no further questions now, I'd like to turn the call back to the company for any closing remarks.
spk01: Thank you once again for joining us today. If you have any further questions, please feel free to reach us through the contact information provided on our website.
spk05: Thank you. That concludes the call today. Thank you, everyone, for attending. You may now disconnect.

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