CarGurus, Inc.

Greetings and welcome to the CarGurus, Inc. Second Quarter 2022 Earnings Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the call over. to Ms. Kirandeep Singh, Vice President, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.

Thank you, Operator. Good afternoon. I'm delighted to welcome you to CarGuru's second quarter 2022 earnings call. We will be discussing the results announced in our press release issued today after the market closed and posted on our Investor Relations website. With me on the call today are Jason Trevisan, Chief Executive Officer, Scott Gretel, Chief Financial Officer, and Sam Zales, President and Chief Operating Officer. During the call, we will make statements regarding our business that may be considered forward-looking within applicable securities laws, including statements concerning our outlook for the third quarter 2022, management's expectations for our future financial and operational performance, our business and growth strategies, our expectations for our car offer business and acquisition synergies, as well as our potential acquisition of additional equity interests in car offer, the value proposition of our current product offerings and other product opportunities, the impact of the semiconductor chip shortage and other macro-level industry issues, and other statements regarding our plans, prospects, and expectations. These statements are not promises or guarantees and are subject to risk and uncertainties, which could cause them to differ materially from actual results. Information concerning those risks is available in our earnings press release issued after market closed today and in our most recent reports on Forms 10-K and 10-Q, which along with our other SEC filings can be found on the SEC's website and in the investor relations section of our website. We undertake no obligation to update forward-looking statements except as required by law. Further, during the course of today's call, we will refer to certain non-GAAP financial measures. A reconciliation of GAAP to non-GAAP measures is included in our press release issued today, as well as in our updated investor presentation, which can also be found on the investor relations section of our website. With that, I'll turn it over to Jason.

Thank you, Kurndeep, and thank you to all those joining us today. we achieved exceptional results for the second quarter of 2022. The strength in our performance was driven by the acquisition of new dealers and re-engagement of returning dealers to our foundational listings business, operational improvements for our car offer business, and launch of our innovative digital retail product offerings. Combination of our foundational listings business coupled with digital wholesale and digital retail allows us to create a transaction enabled platform that holistically serves both our dealer partners and largest consumer audience. Before I dive into the detailed results that were driven by this performance, I'd like to highlight the factors that continue to impact our customers and the broader global economy. In past quarters, we discussed the challenges the automotive industry faced as a result of the semiconductor chip shortage. However, with inflation, rising interest rates, concerns of a recession, and changing consumer sentiment, dealers are further challenged with a reduction in demand for vehicle purchases. In addition to these factors, retail sales seasonality declines typically occur in the second half of the year. While we continue to closely monitor the impact of these macro factors, we feel confident that we've built a resilient platform geared towards providing our partners the highest ROI, the greatest flexibility, and the most comprehensive product suite that is continuously innovating support their unique business needs which is paramount in both upward and downward trends despite these challenges facing our industry we've achieved exceptional results and looking ahead to the second half of 2022 we're marching towards fulfilling our vision of creating the only platform where dealers can source market and sell and consumers can shop finance buy and sell for dealers we will continue to focus on growing engagement on the car offer platform and pioneering the digitally enabled automotive market with our digital retail offerings. For consumers, we will continue working to provide choice, trust, and transparency for our listings business and expand the awareness of CarGuru's Instant Max Cash Offer, or Instant Max for short, as consumers look for the best value for their vehicle sale. We're excited for the near and long-term trajectory of our end-to-end transaction-enabled platform, and we will continue to adapt quickly and innovate to support both sets of customers. With that, let me walk through our second quarter results. As we highlighted at our investor day at the end of May, Car Offer's tremendous growth and sustained profitability is an incredible accomplishment for a company that is only two and a half years old. While still in its infancy, Car Offer has already captured 2% of the wholesale market and continues to gain share of the $400 billion addressable market. This quarter, car offer continued to yield strong results as total revenue, inclusive of our dealer-to-dealer and instant max cash offer businesses, was $347.3 million in Q2, an increase of 506% year-over-year. Car offer's profitability increased in the second quarter with total car offer adjusted EBITDA of $19.1 million in Q2, up 51% year-over-year. highlighting the strength and success of Car Offer's matrix technology and asset light model. Gross merchandise sales, or GMS, for the combined businesses, inclusive of dealer-to-dealer and instant max cash offer, was approximately $1.9 billion for the second quarter, up 101% from the previous year and remaining relatively flat quarter-over-quarter. Nevertheless, the Car Offer platform continues to gain traction among the dealer community with strong adoption in the second quarter. The combined CarGurus and CarOffer sales team enrolled approximately 1,550 rooftops in Q2, bringing the total number of enrolled rooftops on the platform to approximately 12,400. However, increasing rooftops is only one vector of growth, and while we will continue to enroll dealers on the platform, we are applying greater focus to increasing each enrolled dealer's usage of the matrix. We believe this will be achieved by further optimization of our operations and growth of our dealer sales manager team. Dealer sales managers are an integral component to the setup of the matrix and evolved to be personal advisors, guiding dealers towards the most effective matrix rules, enhancing their experience, and driving increased sales for them, which ultimately leads to increased utilization on the platform. While we are still in the early stages, our strategy has resulted in an increase in the number of dealers actively transacting on the platform month over month in Q2 and continuing in Q3, as well as an increase of over 20% unique buyers in the month of June compared to the month of March. As evidenced, with each passing month, we are seeing non-fleet or non-rental company activity rise. As rental fleets experience challenges of the chip shortage and consumer demand seasonality, we have witnessed unique trends quarter over quarter. In the fourth quarter and into Q1, rental fleets leveraged our platform aggressively to grow their fleet sizes. However, as rental fleets continue to remain nimble to changing demand requirements and prudent during times of macroeconomic uncertainty, we witnessed a change in buying patterns. As a result, when rental fleets quickly enter and exit our platform, we observe price swings which can cause an imbalance in the prices dealers are willing to sell a vehicle and what a buyer is willing to pay. It takes time for the imbalance to normalize, and during this period, we tend to see more cautious dealer behavior. So while rental fleets will come on and off the platform based on their needs, we are acutely focused on the fundamental drivers of dealers transacting more and at scale, allowing us to build a business for the long term. Over time, we've seen dealers continue to adopt modern, wholly digital ways of operating, replacing the historic and time-consuming physical see-in-person approach to auctions. Our platform is helping to drive this shift, which is evidenced by the increased adoption and second quarter dealer-to-dealer revenue of 97.1 million in Q2, up 69% year over year. This increase in revenue is attributable to an approximate 48% increase in transactions compared to the prior year, further highlighting the power of the car offer matrix as more dealers begin to transact at scale. Compared to the previous quarter, dealer-to-dealer revenue declined 8%, mostly due to an expected decrease in transportation revenue as well as a slight decline in transactions. As we previously mentioned, last quarter's transportation revenue was higher than usual as we had assumed transportation for a large customer experiencing a material backlog of vehicle pickups. Accordingly, with less low-margin transportation revenue relative to transactions and reduced arbitration losses per vehicle, non-GAAP gross margin for our dealer-to-dealer business grew to 33.7% in Q2. It's only been three quarters since we launched Instant Max Cash Offer, a direct-to-consumer channel for dealers, and we could not be more pleased with its results thus far. Since the launch, Instant Max has seen exceptional growth into new regions and product optimization. We now service over 85% of the US population with a national rollout and brand campaign plan for later this year. InstantMax cash offer generated $250.2 million of revenue in the second quarter, an increase of 55% quarter over quarter. This increase in revenue was driven by an overall increase in transactions that resulted from expansion into new geographies as well as growth in existing geographies. Non-GAAP gross margin for InstantMax grew to 4.1% in the second quarter. Improvement in margin was driven by enhancement measures put in place to reduce arbitration losses per vehicle and offer optimization. With Instant Max Cash Offer, we have the ability to test our offer competitiveness and transaction volumes and determine an efficient frontier in terms of growth and margin. As we scale the business, we will continue to test and analyze the relationship between margin and growth to gain market share in a prudent manner. Beyond operational enhancements, we're also acutely focused on delivering an excellent customer experience. Here is what our happy customer Mike had to say about their recent experience with Instant Max Cash Offer. Quote, I would recommend this experience over and over. It is so easy and you literally never have to leave home. They also offer direct deposit, which means no waiting for a check or a bank to clear funds. I had my funds within 24 hours after pickup. They come to your house and drive the car or truck away. You're sent all the paperwork via FedEx ahead of time and they follow up with you. The whole experience was incredible. in a time when customer service for most is not good. They went out of their way to make sure it was great. Easiest way to sell your vehicle out there hands down." As we leverage our marketing efforts, we're able to reach more consumers like Mike and tap into the 95% of consumers who do not already view us as a primary place to sell their vehicle and are working to grow Instant Max to be the first choice for consumers nationwide. Turning to our foundational listings business, we're pleased that results were above our expectations for the quarter. The resilient high margin listing business supports growing initiatives, which enable us to expand our capabilities for our dealer partners while remaining profitable. As we continue to focus on offering a platform that best serves our dealer partners, we're seeing greater adoption as total paying dealers grew to 31,143 in the second quarter, up 416 from the prior year and up 276 from the previous quarter. In the U.S., paying dealers were 24,488, up 538 compared to the prior year, and 269 compared to the previous quarter. Of the total approximate dealer rooftops in the U.S., we have about 80% on the platform, and of those dealers, only approximately 72% are paying dealers, which gives ample runway for our sales team to not only expand our paying dealer base, but also increase the number of additional products for paying dealers. Second quarter performance was the result of dealer ads, existing dealers adopting additional products, and improved retention throughout the quarter. By consumer demand softening, we reported an increase in monthly revenue from both new enrollments and upgrades of digital advertising products, packaged as real-time performance marketing, or RPM for short, in comparison to the previous year. As a result, U.S. quarterly average revenue per subscribing dealer, or CARCID for short, grew approximately 4% year-over-year to $5,771. Internationally, total paying dealers for the second quarter were 6,655, up seven dealers compared to the prior quarter and down 122 dealers compared to the previous year. Dealer ads quarter-over-quarter primarily consisted of higher-paying franchise and independent dealers. As we mentioned in the previous quarter, we launched our digital display product, otherwise known as RPM in the US, in both the UK and Canada, and we're thrilled to see a quarter-over-quarter increase in dealers adopting multiple products. Compared to the previous quarter, we saw an increase of 32% in dealers utilizing multi-products in the UK and Canada. As a result of adding and retaining higher-paying dealers and the increased product adoption, our international listings revenue increased year-over-year, validating that dealers in both markets find value across our offerings. The increase in revenue resulted in international CAR SID for the quarter of 1,533, a slight increase of 3% compared to prior year. Our listings performance in both the US and international markets is indicative of our team's success in establishing increased adoption of our additional offerings, while providing superior service and ROI to our current dealer partners. ultimately improving retention and growing monthly recurring revenue. As macro headwinds will eventually subside, we are poised for even greater success with our dealer partners as we expect that our improvements in retention, product innovation, and ROI will only further strengthen our foundational listings business. With 90% of dealers expecting to continue or accelerate digital retailing at their dealership, we will continue to focus on product innovation, which enables dealers to service consumers who are looking to do more online. Our digital retail products not only service dealerships that have differing needs and capabilities, but also enable dealers to compete more effectively. From the consumer perspective, our digital retail offerings serve those who are looking to do more online and cater to each consumer's preferences so they can pursue a self-selective journey for their vehicle purchase. Not to mention, consumers utilizing our digital retail offerings have a two times greater satisfaction than a traditional lead. The launch of Digital Deal in Q2 was a critical step on our rapid path to fully digital retail transactions to meet the needs of our customers. Digital Deal allows the consumer to do even more online with trade-in estimates, pre-qualification, or hard-full financing and deposits. Consumers can build a near penny-perfect deal with dealer or vehicle-specific finance and insurance products, and then place a deposit on their vehicle of choice, all while customizing their online to in-person experience. Digital Deal is a dealer-aligned way for consumers to transact, providing both dealers and consumers flexibility in the car shopping process. Consumers are seven times more likely to make an appointment with a dealer if they go through an online checkout process. and 60% of consumers who place a deposit purchase their vehicle through the digitally enabled dealer, providing dealers with the efficiency and ability to sell more with less investment. As this program is highly customizable, dealers can sign up for what works well within their specific market and consumer base. Since our formal launch of Digital Deal in May, we've enrolled 435 dealers across 47 states, representing a two times faster product adoption rate when compared to the average of other CarGurus listings and digital retail product launches. Dealers utilizing Digital Deal drove a greater than 75% increase in Digital Deal leads quarter over quarter. Of those leads, nearly half were high value leads, meaning the lead included pre-qualification, hard pull, deposit, and or an appointment with the dealer. With over 400,000 digitally-enabled listings on our platform today, over 60% of all CarGurus searches now include digital deal results, and dealers have seen a two-times increase in digital deal leads as a percentage of their total CG email lead volume. More notably, shopper sentiment demonstrates increased satisfaction for consumers utilizing digital deal, with an 81 net promoter score year-to-date. As such, dealers are embracing a newer way of attracting consumers through online offerings, and consumers are becoming more accepting of transacting online with dealers through our digital retail products. Further, Digital Deal allows CarGurus to power more steps of a dealer-consumer transaction, setting the groundwork for multiple monetization paths forward in a capital-light way. Partnering with dealers, as opposed to competing with them, provides no inventory risk or servicing requirements, growing our monetization potential for digital retail and allowing us to both build upon and expand accessibility nationally. Overall, it's been an outstanding year so far for our business and we're pleased with our results. Despite ongoing macro challenges, we demonstrated the excellence of our business model through our ability to create a listings platform that continues to attract paying dealers, continued innovation with the launch of Digital Deal, increasing unique dealer activity on the car offer platform and our ability to enhance and optimize our business operations, resulting in improved margins. Moreover, the strength of our profitable foundational listings business enables us the flexibility to build out our new transformative growth vectors while continuing to maintain strong unit economics. While it's easy to focus on the business quarter over quarter, we are creating a platform for our customers that will serve them over the long term, as evidenced by our increased focus on dealer relations, continuous optimization, and investment in consumer awareness. We are concentrating on growing our newer businesses economically in their own right, while focusing on maintaining overall profitability. Like many others in the tech industry, we're closely monitoring our growth and profitability. Moreover, we continue to have remarkable control over our spend, and like our ability to adjust marketing spend during the pandemic, we will be quick to adapt. Our thoughtful and judicious approach gives us confidence in our plan, but we remain prudent as we monitor the potential changes in the macro economy and are prepared to adjust our strategy and outlook if necessary. It is through the combination of our foundational listings, digital wholesale, and digital retail offerings, we have created an automotive ecosystem that serves both our dealer partners and the largest consumer audience through nearly every aspect of the automotive buying and selling journey. a platform where the sum of the parts are greater than the standalone for not only us, but also our customers. Now, before we review our financial results, I would like to share some news. Scott Fredow, our Chief Financial Officer, has made the difficult decision to pursue another opportunity. Scott's been with CarGurus for six and a half years and has been instrumental in leading us through our IPO, as well as being a thought leader in our financial and strategic growth as we've scaled and acquired new businesses. It's been an honor and privilege to work with Scott all these years, and I greatly appreciate the impact Scott has had on our business and community and the tremendous work he and his teams have done to set CarGurus up for an exciting road ahead. While the decision to move on was a difficult one for him to make, I know he'll do so as a continued supporter of CarGurus, proud of the successes we've celebrated and confident in our bright future. Please join me in thanking Scott for his leadership and contributions. We wish him all the best in his next chapter. With that, I'll turn it over to Scott to discuss our financial results.

Thank you, Jason. It's been amazing working with you, Sam, Langley, and so many incredible CarGurus colleagues over the last six and a half years, and the future is bright for CarGurus. I'm so grateful for everything I've experienced during my CarGurus tenure, and I'm excited to see the continued evolution and growth of the company. And now I'll provide a detailed overview of our second quarter performance followed by our guidance for the third quarter of 2022. Total second quarter revenue was $511.2 million, up 135% year-over-year and within our most recent updated guidance range provided during our investor day in May. Marketplace revenue was $163.9 million for the second quarter, up 2% from $160.5 million in the prior year and up slightly from the prior quarter. The increase in marketplace revenue compared to the prior year was primarily due to the increase in U.S. paying dealers utilizing our subscription listings products. As a reminder, marketplace revenue also includes revenue from our digital retail products, such as area boost and consumer financing, as well as OEM advertising. While we did see tremendous success with the launch of Digital Deal this quarter, Macroeconomic conditions may reduce the amount of consumer loan originations and may impact OEM advertising on our platform, creating potential offsets to our listings revenue that has been growing and which we expect to grow in the second half of the year. Wholesale revenue was $75.9 million for the second quarter of 2022, up 42% from $53.5 million in the prior year. A meaningful portion of the year-over-year growth in wholesale revenue is attributed to an increase of dealers transacting on the Carrefour platform as they become more comfortable using the Carrefour matrix. Compared to the previous quarter, wholesale revenue declined 17%. The decrease in wholesale revenue is mostly due to the decline in transportation revenue that Jason discussed earlier. Lastly, product revenue generated $271.4 million for the second quarter, up 7,087% from $3.8 million in the prior year and up 54% from the previous quarter. The increase in revenue from the prior quarter is primarily due to transaction volume growth associated with instant max cash offer, which generated $250.2 million in revenue, roughly $3 million ahead of our most recent updated guidance range. I will discuss our expenses and profitability on a non-GAAP basis, which backs out our stock-based compensation expense, amortization of acquired intangible assets, acquisition-related expenses, and net loss or net income attributable to redeemable non-controlling interest. Second quarter non-GAAP gross margin was 38% compared to 77% in the year-ago quarter and 44% in the prior quarter. The change in non-GAAP gross margin quarter over quarter is primarily due to instant max cash offer transactions, which are accounted for on a gross revenue basis. Despite the contraction in non-GAAP gross margin on a consolidated basis, we are extremely pleased with the improvements in margin in our digital wholesale businesses. Non-GAAP gross margin for our dealer-to-dealer business was 33.7%, up 340 basis points from 30.3% in the previous quarter. And similarly, non-GAAP gross margin for our instant max cash offer business was 4.1%, up 120 basis points from 2.9% in the previous quarter. Total second quarter non-GAAP operating expenses were 135.6 million, up 38% year-over-year. Non-GAAP sales and marketing expense increased 46% year-over-year to 91.5 million and 9% compared to the previous quarter. Non-GAAP sales and marketing expense represented 18% of revenue down from 29% of revenue in the year-ago period. The increase in marketing spend in comparison to the previous year is primarily a result of our increase in performance marketing spend year-over-year. We also increased our brand marketing spend in the first half of 2022 as we develop and release new content to increase awareness for our collective offerings. We remain thoughtful with both our performance marketing and brand spend as we continue to grow the business and increase brand awareness. As such, we do not anticipate material incremental marketing spend increases for the second half of the year. We continue to monitor marketing investments carefully and adjust real-time, as we have done in the past, evaluating the effectiveness of each additional dollar spent. Our second quarter non-GAAP product, technology, and development expense grew 18% versus the year-ago period to $25.2 million. Similar to previous quarters, the increase is primarily due to an increase in employee-related costs as a result of 70% increase in headcount and continued investment in our technology to grow digital wholesale and digital retail. We generated non-GAAP operating income of $57.7 million, representing a non-GAAP margin of 11%, and we generated $61.2 million consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the quarter. Both figures were roughly $2 million ahead of the high end of our most recent guidance range. Non-GAAP diluted earnings per share attributable to Cargurus, Inc. was $0.32 for the second quarter, $0.02 above the high end of our most recent guidance range. On a GAAP basis, we generated second quarter gross margin of 37% compared to 77% in the year-ago period. The contraction in gross margin is primarily due to the growth of instant max cash offer. We incurred total operating expenses of $164.3 million, up roughly 27% year-over-year. The increase in operating expenses was primarily driven by additional headcount and associated expenses from the car offer acquisition. Second quarter GAAP operating income decreased 39% year-over-year to $23.5 million. Second quarter GAAP net income attributable to Cargur's Inc. totaled $18.1 million, and second quarter GAAP net loss attributable to common shareholders was negative $10.3 million. We ended the second quarter with $368.2 million in cash and investments, a slight decrease of $6.8 million from the end of the first quarter. We used $5.5 million in cash from operations in the second quarter and $9.9 million of non-GAAP free cash flow, which includes capital expenditures and capitalized website development costs of $4.4 million. Cash used in operations in the second quarter was primarily driven by an increase of $52 million of accounts receivable compared to the previous quarter, which offset cash generated from profitability in our operations. As Jason touched upon at the beginning of our prepared remarks, there are several macroeconomic challenges impacting the automotive industry. Coupled with typical wholesale seasonal softness, which is a leading indicator for retail sales seasonality occurring in the second half of the year. As a result, we are forecasting headwinds to our do what to do with business. Similarly, despite the tremendous growth to date for instant max cash offer, we remain prudent balancing growth and profitability. With these factors in mind, we expect our third quarter total revenue guidance to be in the range of 460 to 490 million, third quarter revenue guidance for instant max cash offer to be in the range of 225 to 245 million, third quarter non-GAAP consolidated adjusted EBITDA in the range of 44.5 to 52.5 million, and third quarter non-GAAP earnings per share in the range of 25 cents to 28 cents. This past quarter saw increased profitability from both positive performance and cost savings as planned second quarter expenses shifted into the second half of the year. As a result, we now anticipate that the third quarter will likely be the trough for our profitability guidance figures, and while we will prudently reinvest in our business for future growth and expansion, we expect to see continued improved margins. Finally, in the coming months, we will be determining our next steps in our acquisition with Car Offer. As a reminder, we have the ability to purchase up to an additional 25% at seven times Car Offer's trailing 12-month gross profit as of June 30, 2022. We are in the process of making this decision in partnership with our Board of Directors and Car Offer and look forward to sharing the decision at the appropriate time. While macroeconomic challenges faced by our dealer partners and consumers continue to be at the forefront of our minds, we are proud of the excellent financial results for the quarter. We continue to intelligently invest in our technology, products, and customer service, which enables us to be the only full transaction-enabled platform and a stronger, more robust partner to our customers in challenging economic times, but even more so in better times. As always, our path forward would not be possible without the extraordinary efforts of our employees globally. I would like to thank them for their continued dedication and commitment as we innovate and transform the automotive industry. I am grateful and honored to have worked alongside our talented employees for six and a half years as we grew and transformed our business. And while it's not easy to leave CarGrooves, I know this team will continue to drive our vision forward to create an end-to-end transaction-enabled platform for dealers and consumers. With that, we'll open up the call for Q&A.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, at this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. you may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Ladies and gentlemen, we request you to restrict to one question and one follow-up. One moment, please, while we poll for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Chris Pierce from Needham. Please go ahead.

Hey, good afternoon. How are you guys doing? Just a quick question on the wholesale revenue. You talked about Q2 revenue down versus Q1 because of the increased transportation revenues in Q1. Can you kind of talk about how Q2 versus Q4 2021, because down versus that mark as well, and then The rental car part of it, does that play a part in the Instant Max Cash Offer Guide as well? Because they were buyers, because that's backed by Car Offer as well, so they were buyers there as well, and they were kind of higher bidders, so there'll be less of that bid going on right now, so that kind of informs the Instant Max Cash Offer Guide as well. Thanks.

Sure. Hey, Chris, it's Jason Trevisan. I'll start, and then I'll probably have Sam add a little bit So, yeah, in both Scott's comments and mine, we listed a few of the reasons for some of the sequential trends in D2D. And one, as you pointed out, was the transportation revenue. Other factors were around fleet activity, which we mentioned, as well as some seasonality and some other things related to revenue mix. Yeah, fourth quarter in particular, which you referenced, did have across the industry very high levels of fleet activity. And so that's specific to that comp, one of the factors at play there. And that's also why the comments we made about the volume of active dealers being on the growth trajectory that they are is so germane and relevant. And to your second question, and then I'll offer Sam to add anything. Yeah, anytime you have active bidders, that's going to create a more liquid C to D environment. So when a dealer completes a bid matrix to buy a car, they're not specifying if they want to buy a C to D car or a D to D car. but they are obviously putting in a price. And so if the fleets, per your question, or if any set of dealers were to come in and put in very high bid matrix offers, then that's going to allow us to make higher, more compelling offers to consumers in instant max, which will lead to more transactions. So there is a flow through in that, although it's sort of a rising water level. It's not a group saying, I only want to buy C to D. Dan, would you add anything on either of those?

I think you hit it, Jason. I think, Chris, the only thing I'd add to it is how do we diversify in the future? And I think that's a really important strategic effort for our business going forward. For the last four months, more and more buyers have transacted on the platform each month and I think we quoted the 20% increase from June versus March. So even into July, we're seeing that increase. That helps you when the rental fleets go in and go out, become diversified and allow you to continue to grow both the D2D and C2D business. The challenge is in the macro environment, when buyers and sellers are a little more skittish, they're doing less transactions per dealer than they did previously. And so our effort is continue to diversify, get more and more of that buy-side activity on the platform so that the rental fleet doesn't become a concentrated position for you. And their ins and outs of the market, when you know that they've fulfilled their fleets for the big seasonal transactions in the travel industry in the summer, they slow down their purchases, you're diversified and have more of those buyers. And we're happy to see that number growing every month for the last four months.

Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Brad Erickson from RVC Capital Markets. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thank you. So first up, just on the wholesale weakness, maybe if we could set aside the transportation comp you mentioned. Just curious if you feel like you're maybe getting squeezed out during this period versus some of your larger competitive channels. that dealers already worked with, and maybe what factors are in your control to retain and potentially recapture some of that volume from these dealers if we set the industry headwinds aside?

Thanks, Brad. I'll speak to the first part you mentioned, and then Sam can talk in much more depth about how we're retaining and growing customers, which you just shared some of the data on. No, I don't think we're getting squeezed at all. I mean, I think if you look at the factors in the market, as retail demand comes down, that puts pressure on wholesale activity. And over the course of the last couple months, you've seen SAR estimates continue to tick down on weaker consumer demand from higher prices. The fleets were very active buyers in the winter and into the spring and have pulled back a bit because of their own seasonality and their own fleet aspirations. And the other thing too that's an important part of that is when any exogenous factor raises prices in a market, like a wholesale market, whether it's platform agnostic, it takes a little while for that balance to then readjust because you had other sellers who were used to certain high prices and they don't adjust as quickly as a big group that may move quickly. And so it takes a while for them to lower their prices to meet the bid-ask spread and get transactions flowing. And then the last one would be seasonality as we are in the summer here. So, no, I mean, we continue. We measure NPS. I'm sure Sam will get into all this, so I won't go into it. But we continue to have every signal is saying that, From a customer-level perspective, engagement and satisfaction with our platform is very high. Sam?

Jason, I'd just add, and Brad, thanks for the question. I think you see that in enrollments, but now the number I just mentioned beforehand. more and more buy activity from more and more buyers. So what you've got to do when you've got an opportunity to serve more of your customers is give more of your buy base a chance to participate and transact. And that's what we've seen over the last four months. The sell side has always been diverse. Obviously, because of bringing in the C to D inventory, you're bringing an inventory that's gold to the dealers. They've never seen that consumer inventory before. So you get more and more buyers. To have a C2D transaction, you have to have more buy activity. And so that's where I think we're bringing in a differentiated offering to those dealers, not just on the instant trade platform, but bringing in that C2D volume in thousands of transactions that they're never seen before. And I think that's what's leading to that diversification. It's not just making buyers one-time buyers, but ongoing buyers, and more of them being able to transact on the platform. So we're thrilled with those numbers. We've got to keep that growing so the concentration doesn't hit us as it does in some of those cases with the rental fleets.

Got it. That's great. Thanks. And then maybe just to follow up, I guess when you think about the volume headwinds that are going on right now in the D2D business, do you think those are sort of disproportionately going on at dealers? Were you added more recently, or are you seeing it in the more mature part of your book of business, or are you just seeing it sort of more broadly across the dealer customer base?

I think I'd tie that more to the macro environment, Brad. Wholesale and retail pricing at all-time highs, it makes a buyer or seller skittish. As Jason said, it takes a while to recalibrate that. Consumer demand is softening. Interest rates are at the highest they've been. Recession looming or recession concerns looming. And so I think you're just seeing it in general. We're getting more buyers to transact, but each of them doing a little less transaction activity, which means it's a macro environment issue and they're just being cautious about that transaction volume.

Yeah, I get it. Helpful. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Marvin Fong from BTIG.

Please go ahead. Good evening. Thanks for taking my questions. I just thought I'd drill down a little bit more into what you're saying about the rental car agencies and their impact on car offers. As far as you're looking into 3Q, I know there's now seasonality and that we're trying to get our arms around. But how would you just characterize their activity in the second quarter and what you're expecting in the third quarter? Is this kind of the – are they now at a normalized level, or are they perhaps pulled back more than you think they would in a normal environment? Perhaps you could just help us, you know, just get our arms around what's implied in the guidance, and then I will follow up. Mm-hmm.

Thanks, Marvin. It's Sam Zales. Thank you. I think you're seeing, if you're watching the rental fleets and how they're thinking about things, some have fulfilled a small bit of demand from the OEMs, from new distributions. They hope for that, but that's going to be a depressed state, I think, over the next period of time. They fulfilled a lot of that demand through us and in the earlier stage of the year, which prepares them for the travel season. And yes, seasonally that will slow down. I think that happens in the market traditionally over the next set of months. And so we're cautious on that front. And I think they're balancing their approach to new versus used to see if anything breaks through on the new side. Certainly with pricing as high as it is, there's some caution there on that front. And so we're being thoughtful that if we keep growing the buyer base in the non-rental We're in good shape and we can continue to grow the transaction volume long term. And so, you know, we don't want to be caught in a concentration scenario. We've fulfilled very nicely over the past year, but we will continue to look to more and more of these buyers getting on the platform. to fulfill that volume that we want long-term. So I hope that answers your question. It's new used, it is seasonal, and it is an environment with wholesale pricing as high as it is. All those factors impact the wholesale arena, and we think we're in better shape when we have more and more of those buyers coming on the platform and transacting.

Right. Gotcha. And then my follow-up is probably a related question. The enrolled dealer is the count, I guess, or the net additions grew a little slower than prior quarters. So should we attribute that also to sort of seasonality and that this is something we should get used to where, you know, in the second quarter they're already sort of gearing up for a weaker or seasonally slower second half of the year? Is that how we should imagine the pace, the cadence of dealer additions, you know, on a year-in, year-out basis? Or... Or should we think about being a little more linear in normal times? Thanks.

Yeah. Thanks, Marvin, for the question. It really allows us to distinguish enrolled versus active dealers. And you're seeing a strategic shift in us just to the point of diversification of the buyer activity. It from enrolling more and more dealers on the platform. I'm not saying it will be it will stop It will slow down because we have moved towards dealer engagement That is how do you get more and more of those dealers once enrolled on the platform to start the buying process? We've said that it's a it's a completely new and innovative capability with our matrix It's a it's a purchase process that works like a stock in stock market. It's it's buying products, you know sight unseen and And that takes an effort in those first 25, 30 days to get those accounts to activate their matrix, start the buying or selling process, and have that great success Jason talked about in the high NPS that we have with those customers to get them engaged and activated in the program. So you see this shift from just acquiring customers to now the focus on engagement, what we call our dealer sales managers, the focus on getting each of those dealers who are enrolled on the program active, and purchasing and transacting to see the incredible benefits of sourcing and selling vehicles through this platform. So you'll see us shift that effort to the diversification of activity and transactions, both buying and selling inside that base, rather than saying, how can we get 30,000 dealers onto that platform? There are many small dealers who wouldn't find value because they don't have the sophisticated technology to do that. So you're seeing a move from enrollment to engagement and transaction volume. And I think you'll see that as we go forward.

And I think I'll just add one, one thought. I think that's a very common exercise in this industry. And, you know, a lot of other companies in the wholesale arena have, you know, large field forces that are out trying to engage dealers. And it's, it's just the nature of wholesale. So we're, We're doing it in a very efficient way. It's very similar to how CarGurus has grown up. CarOffer does it in a very efficient way rather than having a big field sales force. But it's engagement that you see needed from most of the providers, if not all of them.

Great. That's very helpful. Thanks, Scott and Sam. I mean, Jason and Sam. And I did want to say, Scott, good luck on your next endeavor. Thank you.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, a reminder, kindly restrict yourselves to one question and one follow-up. Our next question comes from the line of Tom White from DA Davidson. Please go ahead.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe just a quick follow-up on the last one. Can you just give a little bit more color on how you're going to get the enrolled dealers to use the matrix more? Is it purely just kind of outreach and or do you guys need to add new product features that will maybe make it more attractive for dealers to use it for different types of inventory? And just as sort of a follow-up, any sense you can give us of your average customer in that business, what percent of their total wholesale buying and selling do they do through car offer, and where do you think you could hopefully get to that percentage to in the next few years?

Hey, thanks, Tom. Sam Zales here. I'll take it and see if Jason wants to follow up. There's both a technology and an account management process that we focus on. So you heard the investment in what we call a dealer sales manager is a car offer. They're experts in knowing the wholesale arena. They're speaking to experienced buyers and sellers on the other side, merchandisers on the other side of the dealer equation. And quite honestly, our ratio of accounts to reps was not quite aligned over the last several months of the incredible growth of the business. I want to take a minute just to stop and remind everybody we're a two and a half year old business at Car Offer. You know, the only pure play profitable digital wholesale business in the market and a company that's grown in two and a half years to this incredible size it is. So you're asking a great question, which is how do you focus on the people side of that? We almost outgrew the operational side. we have in that period of time, and we've right-sized that with more investment in those dealer sales managers because their job is to analyze the performance and the opportunities those dealers have of taking a look at what price they can sell those vehicles for on the car offer platform and what profit they'd make on those versus keeping it in a retail environment and hoping in a depressed consumer activity period whether a consumer will buy that vehicle for a slightly higher price. So they are doing that analyzing and engagement process to move an enrolled dealer to an active, aggressive user of the matrix. And as I said before, that does take a bit of time to utilize this new system and a different kind of purchasing process to get used to that matrix buying process that typically takes the first 30 days of an onboarding in the training and use of that tool set. And so we're investing on that front. Second is sort of the technology, as you said, yes, a constant investment in this incredible matrix capability. There's a matrix analyzer function that allows a dealer to see through the machine learning what better bids they should be making, what they're missing out on, on buying certain vehicles in their market. Think of combining that with our consumer data, car gurus, to say we're seeing more interest in this type of vehicle, at make and model, in this geography. Here's something you can use And it's downloading that data in a way that makes it very easy for the dealer to use it. A wizard to use their technical capabilities more effective on the matrix. So it's a combination of those two. And we think those are the right investments to make. And that's why you see this balance of growth and profitability where we saw a better gross margin to the car offer business in second quarter. We're going to keep investing the right way. to optimize that kind of revenue and profit growth to the business. We'll continue to look at share of wallet. To your other question, we haven't shared that data. We're researching it. We're very proud of how quickly we've become an important part of the buying and selling activity for our dealers. And we're doing that through our own research. And we'll be looking at that more thoughtfully on a gross basis for the market as we get out of 2022.

Okay, that's great.

Yeah, just to add on. Yep.

Sorry, go ahead. Oh, no. Finish your thought, Serge. I was just going to say to add on the wallet share point. If you think about it back at the envelope, digital wholesale is in the very early days and the share shift from physical is growing, continues to grow and will for some time. And in the last two years or two and a half years within digital, needless to say, we've gained a lot of share, but it's still early. And so if we're low sync, if you know, digital is still single digits of the market, and so we as a platform are some fraction of that, then among the adopters that we have, you know, our share of all of them is above that low single digits, but it's, you know, but it's still got an extraordinary runway because we're such early days. And what gets us particularly excited is that we have a lot of examples where we are a really compelling material percentage of a dealer's wholesale purchases or wholesale sales. And we even have some dealers who are changing their strategy to leverage the flexibility and the capability of the matrix and seeing tremendous growth as a result of it. So we see both the potential of the heavy users and what they can accomplish with it, but we also have, you know, a relatively low starting point that we have right now because of the early days of the markets. We see a huge runway.

Gotcha. Appreciate it. I'll let somebody else go next. Thanks.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Navid Khan from Truist Securities. Please go ahead.

Hi. Thanks a lot. A couple of questions for me. Maybe just on the... On the dealer sales manager, you guys mentioned you're understaffed. And I'm thinking, if I look at the expense line, is that additional hiring that we need to do, is it contemplated in the back half guidance of sales and marketing being flat with Q2? Or how should we think about the allocation between hiring versus ad spend? So that's one. And the other question I have is, It's just on the gross margin for EMCO, non-GAAP, I think gross margin was 4%. How sustainable is that going forward? How should we think about that? Thank you.

Sam, do you want to take the first part, and then I'll speak to Instamax gross margin?

Sure. Yes, Naved, thanks. I don't think I said understaffed. I just said the ratios we wanted were, We're not optimized, you know, and I think this is to the point earlier on enrollment versus engagement. We, you know, with that shift to enrolling thousands of dealers on the platform to now recognizing the work goes into the engagement on the platform and utilizing it, we have tremendous, tremendous, you know, opportunity to turn those folks who were more of the hunters into farmers. And we're doing that right now and making it a tremendous success for us. So without adding any resources at all, And then to make sure the ratios as we use those technical tools I talked about earlier and the time in that early engagement to optimize, we're doing so. I think, you know, I'll remind everybody this is the lowest, you know, least capital intensive digital wholesale player in the market. We're profitable and extremely so at Car Offer. I'm really thrilled to see that and getting more so as we talked about our results in second quarter. You know, and we're going to continue to do that with this low expense base and crank up what we're doing. I'll let Jason talk a bit about margins, but I couldn't be more proud of coming out of first quarter saying there was some work we needed to do on gross margin in those two, you know, in the second quarter and both on IMCO and D2D. our work to focus on profits and improve the gross margin of both of those businesses by hundreds of basis points was a really thrilling result of great and focused effort. So, Jason, I'll let you share it in detail, and I can add on if necessary.

Yeah, thanks. You touched on some of the things. But, yes, we do think it's sustainable. I think the better way to think about it or the better adjective is that it's controllable. You know, we're nine months in to instant max, you know, nine to 12 months in to instant max cash offer in any real volume. The market is evolving during that time. Unit prices have probably had more, you know, flex and volatility than normal during that period. And so every day we're testing. And conversion rate and offer price are, you know, two of the things of the many that we're testing. And as Sam said, we're so proud that we went into this quarter saying that we felt we could control it and that we could improve it, and we did exactly that. And in future quarters, as we learn more, we may decide to, you know, toggle slightly differently on the margin and growth targets because those two things are inextricably linked. but all the while in the background we're improving conversion and just making it a more efficient machine.

Maybe just on the first question that you answered, can you maybe share with us some of the improvements you see through the dealer sales manager in the accounts that they touch? They have more sort of They spend more time on how much improvement you've seen and what percentage of accounts do you see where the opportunity exists to kind of optimize engagement or drive it higher?

Yeah, I think I can point to a couple of general approaches on that, Nived. I think, one, the use of the hunting team to go back and initiate work with accounts that have been enrolled but not yet fully activated their accounts. Remember in this process, when you assign 12,000 plus dealers to a platform, in many cases it's a large, large group or a national account where purchasing happens decentralized. So you're going to get one or two stores that might test the platform first and have great success with it, but getting to the rest of the group and getting the rest of the stores involved and active on the program you need to make the outreach and make sure that happens. So we converted a set of our hunting team, the enrollment team, to going back after those accounts and saying, look at your other stores that are already having that success. Let's start that process of training, initiating the use of the platform, getting used to the matrix buying process to get your program up and running. And that has sustained exactly what I talked about earlier, the last four months, and increased in number of buyers transacting on our platform every single month for the last four months. So that tells me the results of an attack plan that focus on both the enrollment, engagement, training, and activity these dealer sales managers can do to optimize the platform for those customers. I hope that makes sense.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Ralph Shakart from William Blair. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking the question. Last call, you talked about increasing price on the buy and sell fees, and I think also on the inspection end as well. Just curious how those fees were absorbed on the platform, what you've learned from that, and sort of thoughts about your ability to continue to think about price going forward. Thanks.

Thanks, Ralph. I don't think we saw any impact to any dealers not using the platform. That fact that more and more buyers are transacting on the platform tells me our price point is where it should be in the market. I don't think we're going to continue to rise it at any point in the near term. I think it's... I think it's exactly where it should be. I think we're creating tremendous success in a very efficient way. We're an efficient business because we're profitable and our customers are making more and more money on these transactions, certainly from the D2D side, but also because we're bringing in the instant max inventory that they've never seen before. On inspections, it's a pass-through cost. It's not a margin process for us. I will tell you that, as Jason alluded to, We are improving the margin of those businesses. We're very proud of those results to gross margin improvement in both D2D and C2D in the last quarter. That happens because we're improving our inspection processes. We're adding more and more of these partnerships in the light capital model, likewise on transportation. And arbitration was a huge success for us last quarter. We knew we needed to attack it. We brought it in industry leader to focus on arbitration, and that led to a percentage of transactions arbitrated decreasing. We're already at, you know, we think is the market low rate on that front, and we continue to decrease it over time. The loss per vehicle in arbitrated vehicles went down, so all of that leading to the margin improvements. Inspection is one that we'll continue to invest in, but I don't think we'll overcharge a price point for it. We just want to have great customer satisfaction, get more and more dealers to transact on the platforms. I think if you look at our average selling price, these vehicles are $25,000 and up, the high 20s. We think our price point is probably extremely competitive in the transaction fee we're charging. But all in, this is this balance Jason said of growth and profitability. We want to be good to our customers on a long-term basis. and run the continued tremendous profitable business at Car Offer.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of John Tolanchoni from Jefferies. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking my question. I just have one. I had a question about arbitration. Looks like it grew about 50% sequentially in the quarter. despite flat GMV and units. Can you just walk through the puts and takes driving that expansion in arbitration and when we should expect the measures that you're implementing to help mitigate some of the unnecessary arbitration starting to materially drive that lower overtime? Thanks.

John, thanks. You know, what we look at, and I think this is really important, is the arbitration of a percent of transactions. And that is at a low point in the business. It's gone down three consecutive months through second quarter, continues to go down overall. And that's the critical factor to our business is one, it's shrinking over each month, which is really important. Number two is our loss per vehicle in our arbitration. This is important because We do some spec buying when you think a consumer comes in. We talked about this in IMCO. There are times that we'll say, let's take a shot at the purchase on this vehicle. If we don't yet have a buyer, we'll create a transaction out of that as well. And our loss per vehicle has gone down over this quarter versus last. And I think that's what the measure is when you look at our overall profitability of those two businesses, D2D and Instant Max Cash Offer. That's why you see the percentage gross margin improving significantly. from first quarter to second quarter. So that's how we look at the numbers. And the best I can answer for you, we're really happy with our percent of transactions and arbitration. As I said, we brought in an industry leader to lead that for us, and I think you're going to see continued focus on a good gross margin to those businesses, which drives our overall profitability of car offer, and really pleased with what we did from first quarter to second quarter.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Nick Jones from JMP Securities. Please go ahead.

Thanks for taking the questions. I guess on the listing business is expected to grow in the back half. How should we be thinking about the traffic declines? I mean, how much of this is kind of a function of really kind of targeting qualified leads versus kind of softness in demand?

Yep, thanks for the question, Nick, Jason. It's a function of, or it's a continuation of what you've heard us talk about for the most part, which is our focus on targeting low funnel lead, low funnel consumers who are high quality leads. And yes, there's certainly some element which is in a lower demand, consumer demand environment, you're gonna have less, you know, lookers, browsers, and the people who are engaging with our platform are probably going to be more serious. And so, especially as we move to, you know, launching things like Digital Deal where, I mean, that's a step function change in the quality of the lead, as you've heard us give some stats around that. And we, you know, we don't need a lot of, or, you know... You can replace a lot of lower quality leads with a much smaller number of digital deal leads and you're still going to have the dealers better off. I think another good indicator of the proof of that is that we've had extremely low dealer churn and we even had positive dealer counts. And so both of those are, I think, indicators that dealers are valuing what we're delivering to them. and that's not just lead volume, it's lead quality. And I think as dealers embrace digital retail more and all of the features associated with digital retail more, as we've talked about, they've gotten hooked on this idea that they can sell just as many cars with fewer salespeople, be much more profitable dealers, and so they love the notion that we would have higher quality leads that we're sending to them.

Right, and a follow-up on digital deal, so you're getting kind of an insight into how consumers are thinking about the price point of which they'll buy a car. I mean, we saw some data come out last week, household debt's up, autos are a big culprit of that. I mean, is there a risk that consumers essentially don't have the money and the pool of people who can really, I guess, afford cars is going to shrink rapidly, particularly as the auction market's challenged as well, potentially keeping prices higher It seems like potentially kind of a tough macro setup from the consumer standpoint. I mean, how are you thinking about that in terms of how it impacts the listings business?

Yep, great question. I mean, any consumer who has a car and is going to replace it, they're probably going to get quite a bit of money for their existing car, as we all know. So a lot of it depends on if they're you know, trying to upgrade or if they're just looking at a car that could be an even swap, in which case they wouldn't have to put much money down. You are, though, certainly seeing lower auto finance conversion rates and accept rates as an industry. So it is, I think, undeniably harder for a consumer to get the same loan that they would have gotten or, you know, would have tried to have gotten six months ago or a year ago. And so we are seeing some of that too, but once they've qualified for it, then they're just as likely and capable to convert as they were when they had qualified for it in the past. But again, all of these factors, which right now, as you just gave a few data points that point to a tougher environment for consumers, All of those factors in good times and in bad are what make digital retail such a win-win and digital deal. It vets consumers more for dealers. It allows the consumer to spend less time in the dealership to accomplish the same thing that they were before. And as you pointed out, in tougher times, the dealership doesn't want to waste a lot of time on a consumer that simply can't afford it. And likewise, the consumer doesn't want to get four hours into a visit and then realize that they're not going to get the funding. So, you know, we certainly, we built Digital Deal and are investing in digital retail for good times and bad, but we're also seeing that it's really having a huge impact in what feels like, you know, relatively tougher times now. Great. Thanks, Jason.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Doug Otto. from Uber Research. Please go ahead.

Yeah, thanks. I'll try to make this quick. Scott, in terms of your guide for Instant Max in Q3, are you seeing slowness already in July, or is this just overly cautious? Thanks.

It is. Thanks, Doug. Yeah, any of our guidance on this is relative to recent trends that we've seen. So we've got one month under the belt so anytime we're forecasting for the transactional businesses it's you know we're sort of one-third of the way there market market can move quickly as we've seen in prior quarters but um it's indicative of some of the the seasonal uh slowness that we alluded to in the call okay i appreciate that thank you yep

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Chad Kelly from Oppenheimer. Please go ahead.

Hey, thanks for taking my question. You mentioned how CarOffer, your wholesale platform, has the highest margins in the industry. I mean, do you think you have to have any investment around sort of getting, you know, around, I guess, inspection or anything to kind of get more buy side activity from dealers. Thank you.

Hey Jed, Sam Zales, thank you. Yes, I do. You know, we're proud of the profitability of Car Offer and how capitally efficient they've run the business. But if you look at each area of the operation and how to optimize it, if you look at inspections, as you've said, we're working with new partners, broadening the capabilities there, doing things in mechanical that we may not have in the past as we examine things like that, and aggressively focus on optimizing that transaction in NPS for the customer. The arbitration process, I talked about focusing on it, improving the process so that your margin goes up overall. That's an investment that improves the business result overall. transportation, more partners doing things to improve the speed with which we get a vehicle to the customer, both from a C to D, taking it from the home to the dealer's location. Those are things that are really important for us, and we've optimized and focused on more investments to make that work the way we want it to, and creating technology to create portals in each of those areas that optimize our national coverage. Those are all investments, and even the focus I made on how we look at our human resources to ensure the optimal account to DSM ratio. Those are investments that we make from a profitability standpoint to keep growing and staying profitable. So I think you'll see us continue to focus on innovation and optimization so the customers are thrilled and we're still running a scaling and profitable business.

Thank you.

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of the question and answer session. And now I would like to turn the conference over to Mr. Jason Treveson for closing comments.

Thanks very much, Operator. So I would just like to echo some of the comments made in the script. We really would like to Thank all of our team members for their outstanding work on a really terrific quarter. And I'd also like to thank everyone for your interest in our business and your really thoughtful questions today. So thanks so much, everyone. Have a great evening.

Thank you, sir. The conference of CarGurus, Inc. has now concluded. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines.