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spk13: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to Cathay General Bancorp's fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings conference call. My name is Gigi, and I'll be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to participate in this portion of the call, please press star followed by one at any time during the conference. If assistance is needed at any time during the call, please press star followed by zero, and a coordinator will be happy to assist you. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay at www.CafeGeneralBankCorp.com. Now I would like to turn the call over to Georgia Lowe, Investor Relations of Cafe General Bank Corp. Thank you, Gigi, and good afternoon. Here to discuss the financial results today are Mr. Chang Liu, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Hang Chen, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we wish to remind you that the speakers on this call may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the applicable provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 concerning future results and events, and that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are further described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020, at Item 1A in particular, and in other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time. As such, we caution you not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made, and except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or review any forward-looking statements to reflect future circumstances, developments or events, or the occurrence of unanticipated events. This afternoon, Cathay General Bancorp issued an earnings release outlining its fourth quarter 2021 results. To obtain a copy of our earnings release as well as our earnings presentation, please visit our website at www.cathaygeneralbancorp.com. After comments by management today, we will open up this call for questions. I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chang Liu.
spk14: Thank you, Georgia, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our 2021 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. This afternoon, we reported a net income of $75.3 million for the fourth quarter of 2021, a 4% increase as compared to the net income of $72.4 million for the third quarter of 2021. Deluded earnings per share increased 10% to $0.98 per share for the fourth quarter of 2021 compared to $0.89 per share for the same quarter a year ago. For the year ending December 31st, 2021, we reported a record net income of $298.3 million and EPS of $3.80 per share for 2021. In the fourth quarter of 2021, our gross loans excluding PPP loans increased by $444.6 million to $16.3 billion, which represents an annualized growth rate of 11.4 percent. The increasing loans for the fourth quarter of 2021 was primarily driven by increases of $189.6 million or 29.2 percent annualized in commercial loans excluding PPP loans, $307.7 million or 16.3 percent annualized in commercial real estate loans, and $37.2 million or 0.9 percent annualized in residential mortgage loans, offset by a decrease of $77.2 million or minus 45.4 percent annualized in real estate construction loans. The overall loan growth for 2022 is expected to range between 9 to 11 percent, including approximately 700 million of loans from the acquisition of certain West Coast branches from HSBC. Excluding the HSBC acquisition, we project loan growth to be between 5 and 7 percent in 2022. During the fourth quarter of 2021, 72.5 million of PPP loans were forgiven. As of December 31st, 2021, our deferred PPP loan fees were 643,000. We continue to monitor our commercial real estate loans. Turning to slide eight of our earnings presentation, as of December 31st, 2021, the average loan-to-value of our CRE loans was 51 percent. As of December 31st, 2021, Our retail property loan portfolio comprises 23 percent of our total commercial real estate loan portfolio and 11 percent of our total loan portfolio. The majority, 60 percent of the $1.87 billion in retail loans, is secured by neighborhood, mixed-use, or strip centers, and only 10 percent is secured by shopping centers. For the fourth quarter of 2021, we reported net charge-offs of $300,000 compared to net charge-offs of $2.3 million the third quarter of 2021. Our non-accrual loans were 0.4% of total loans as of December 31st, 2021, decreased by $2.8 million to $65.8 million as compared to the end of the third quarter of 2021. We recorded a provision for credit loss of $3.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2021 as compared to $3.1 million provision for credit losses in the third quarter of 2021. The provision for credit losses of $3.5 million reflected the net charge-offs of $300,000 and provisions for the loan growth during the fourth quarter. Turning to slide 13, total average deposits increased by $345.6 million or 8.1 percent annualized during the fourth quarter of 2021. We were especially pleased by the $332.4 million increase or 34.4 percent annualized in average demand deposits during the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter. Average time deposit decreased by $278.5 million, or 18.8% annualized, due primarily to the runoff of broker CDs. For 2022, the overall deposit growth is expected to range between 9% and 10%, which includes approximately $700,000 of low-cost deposits from the HSBC acquisition. $700 million. $700 million. Excluding the acquired deposits from HSBC, we project deposit growth to be between 5% to 7% in 2022. We repurchased 1,511,038 shares of our stock at an average cost of $43.97, totaling $66.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. There is $32.9 million remaining under our September 2021 $125 million stock buyback program. Our previous announced acquisition of certain West Coast branches from HSBC is scheduled to close on or around February 4th, 2022. We are pleased with the progress of the integration and conversion. We would like to welcome the new customers and the HSBC team members in the 10 branches. This transaction will broaden the reach of our Northern and Southern California branch network in addition to acquiring approximately $700 million in low-cost deposits and approximately $700 million in residential mortgages. We look forward to the contribution of the new branches to our bank's future growth. I will now turn the floor over to our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Peng Cheng, to discuss the fourth quarter of 2021 financial results in more detail.
spk07: Thank you, Cheng, and good afternoon, everyone. For the fourth quarter of 2021, net income increased by $2.9 million, or 4%, to $75.3 million compared to the third quarter of 2021. This increase was primarily attributable to increase in net interest income due to strong loan growth in the fourth quarter. Our net interest margin was 3.23% in the fourth quarter of 2021 as compared to 3.22% for the third quarter of 2021. In the fourth quarter of 2021, interest recoveries and pre-payment penalties added six basis points to the net interest margin as compared to foil basis points for the third quarter of 2021. There were 3.1 billion of loans at the floor rate as of December 31 to 2021. Approximately 2 billion of our CDs matured in the first quarter of 2022 with average rates of 0.48%. We are targeting renewing retail CDs in the 40 to 50 basis point range. Based on three rate hikes during 2022, this is June, September, and December, we expect our net charge-off net interest margin for 2022 to be between 3.2% to 3.3%. Net interest income during the fourth quarter of 2021 increased by $7.6 million to $19.8 million when compared to the third quarter of 2021, primarily due to a venture capital distribution income of $3.7 million, an increase of $1.3 million in swap income, and an increase of $2.2 million in mark-to-market gains on equity securities in the fourth quarter. Non-interest expense increased by 983,000 or 1.4% to 73.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2021 when compared to 73.2 million in the third quarter of 2021. The increase was primarily due to an increase of 0.5 million in acquisition and conversion costs and $0.4 million in higher salaries and bonus accruals. The effective tax rate for the fourth quarter of 2021 was 23.6% as compared to 19.1% for the third quarter of 2021. The increase in the effective tax rate resulted from a $1.6 million catch-up adjustment in the third quarter of 2021 for 2020 solar tax credits, resulting from the receipt of 2020 K-1s. For 2022, we expect a full-year effective tax rate of between 19 and 20 percent and solar tax credit amortization of $5 million a quarter starting in the second quarter of 2022. As of December 31, 2021, our Tier 1 leverage capital ratio decreased to 10.4% as compared to 10.67% as of September 30, 2021. Our Tier 1 risk-based capital ratio decreased to 12.8% from 13.29% as of September 30, 2021. And our total risk-based capital ratio decreased 14.41% from 14.93% as of September 30th, 2021.
spk14: Thank you, Heng. We will now proceed to the question and answers portion of the call.
spk13: Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press the star then one key on your touchtone telephone. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. You may then return to the queue. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. To prevent any background noise, we ask that you please place yourself on mute once your question has been stated. Your first question comes from the line of Brandon King from Truist Security. Your line is now open.
spk04: Hey, good afternoon. Hi, Brandon. So I first wanted to talk about loan growth. It was pretty strong in the quarter, but I wanted to get a sense of your expectations for 2022 and what that would and could look like on a core basis.
spk14: For 2022, we're projecting a total loan growth at 9% to 11%, but that includes the HSBC acquisition. So excluding that number is in the 5% to 10% range. 5% to 10%. It's 5% to 7% range. Okay.
spk04: And also, I saw that CRE was pretty strong in the quarter. Could you just talk about what drove that and what are your expectations for the CRE book as well within that? 5% to 7% core guidance in 22?
spk14: Sure. At CRE, most of the businesses were multifamily driven, and that comes from sort of the acquisition and renovation as well as some of the stabilized properties increases. I think we had a few teams that did significantly well in their relationships and expanding those relationships. So We continue to see positive growth out of that. For 2022, CRE's number is around 5% to 6%. Okay.
spk04: And lastly, just for CNI, I know there's been a lot of focus on that. What are you expecting as far as utilization rates there? And also in 4Q, did that strength come from new customers or existing customers expanding their utilization rates?
spk14: So, the CNI increase is really a result of some of the new relationships we've acquired through some of the new relationship managers and teams that we've acquired during 2020 and 2021. The utilization rate for 2021, the number that we have is around 55 percent. We expect that number to stay relatively stable at that number, and we're seeing continued increase in commitment as well So we're positive, we're optimistic that the 2022 numbers on CNI will increase as well. Yeah, our budget has grown around 11%, 12% for CNI.
spk05: Okay, very helpful. Thank you for the answers. Thank you.
spk13: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGrady from KTW. Your line is now open.
spk03: Hey, great. I just want to revisit the loan growth comments and just make sure I understand. So this quarter, you had about 11% annualized, and the organic guide, excluding the deal, is call it five to seven. It seems conservative to me. Is this just an intentional remixing, or are you seeing certain asset classes that you might not want to grow as fast?
spk14: Well, the 11% is the quarter-over-quarter comparison, right? But if you look at the year-over-year, that number is actually about 4.5%. So I think the organic guidance of 5% to 7% is still an increase over the actual 2021 year-over-year comparison. Okay, that's helpful.
spk07: We're also being conservative, Chris. You know, we'll update that guidance each quarter as we go into 2022. Understood.
spk03: Okay, great. And then the expenses, could you help us with the trajectory in expenses? We're hearing a lot from banks about inflation, and I just want to make sure I got the expenses, and also if you had the low-income amortization expectations, too.
spk07: Yeah, first, we're going to break it out in two parts, one for core CAFE, excluding the HSBC acquisition, we expect, and one-time conversion expenses, we expect expenses to be about 3.5% next year. The HSBC is about 10 million core. That's about 4.2% increase from our 2021. And then we see low-income housing about flat to 2021. We had some catch-up adjustments in 2021, so that's flat. And then solar would be up about $3 million. And then I think he can talk about why we think we can hold at 3.5%.
spk14: For us, the focus is important to keep the expenses down. Our team members are the most critical assets of the bank. Obviously, given where the labor market is today, we need to make sure that we're retaining and attracting the right talent. So outside of that, we're looking at other core areas of expense control where we can be able to save some cost. On the core systems, we were able to save some cost on the contract negotiation extension there, in addition to other just kind of looking at overall locations and other physical costs expense-wise. We're looking to offset that, any potential increases on that side of the income statement.
spk03: Okay, and just to clarify, that $10 million on HSBC, that's an annual number, assuming an early Feb close. And then the gain... Yep, and then the gain, the venture gain, is that in addition or is that included within the security gain line?
spk02: It looks like it's in other income.
spk06: That's in other income, right.
spk02: Okay. All right. Thanks, Hank.
spk06: Okay. Thank you.
spk13: As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.
spk08: Hey, good afternoon.
spk11: I just want to start on the deposit growth. Pretty significant this quarter. Any concentrations or any part of that growth that might be unsustainable? Just trying to get a sense for where it came from. Yeah.
spk07: First, you know, we like to measure it based on average quarterly balance growth. And that was still pretty good, especially in money market and DDA. We had a couple of deposit customers that made deposits late in the year. It's $200 million in DDA and $400 million in now. And those deposits have left the bank as of today.
spk14: Matthew, going forward, we're really focusing on growing our low-cost deposits. We want to shift our liability mix so that we continue to drive down the cost of funds.
spk11: Got it. Okay. And then the uptick in special mention this quarter, it looked like you added some reserves to CNI as well. I know part of that's loan growth, but can you just give us a sense for what drove the increase in special mention and Your expectations there.
spk07: Yeah, yeah, that's a I I got a list from our chief weather officer there. You know we're we're. That's more of a monitoring category for us, so there's a couple of construction. There's a. Yeah, there's some. COVID type impact where. Properties are Their lease rates are a little bit weaker. There's a couple of CNI loans were due to supply chain disruption. Maybe their profits went down, so we put them into special mention. So it's nothing that would be concerning to us.
spk10: Okay.
spk07: Yes, I'm an issue. Yeah, and then on sub, you know, we have two credits. We feel pretty good about those. Those are kind of one-off issues. We don't see them going unknown. Cool.
spk11: Okay. And then just given the delay in, I think, the solar amortization, you know, starting the second quarter, In the tax rate of 19 to 20, how should we think about the tax rate at least in the first quarter relative to the second before things kind of smooth out?
spk07: That should be the full year effective tax rate. We expect to close that deal or we're shooting to close that deal before the end of March. So it will be in our full year effective tax rate.
spk11: Okay, got it. Thank you.
spk13: Thank you for your participation. I will now turn the call back over to Cathay General Bank Corp's management for closing remarks.
spk14: I want to thank everyone for joining us on our call, and we look forward to speaking with you at our next quarterly earnings release call.
spk13: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day. you Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. you Bye. you Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to CASA General Bancorp's fourth quarter and full year 2021 earnings conference call. My name is Gigi, and I'll be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to participate in this portion of the call, please press star followed by one at any time during the conference. If assistance is needed at any time during the call, please press star followed by zero, and a coordinator will be happy to assist you. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay at www.CafeGeneralBankCorp.com. Now I would like to turn the call over to Georgia Lowe, Investor Relations of Cafe General Bank Corp. Thank you, Gigi, and good afternoon. Here to discuss the financial results today are Mr. Chang Liu, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Hang Chen, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we wish to remind you that the speakers on this call may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the applicable provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 concerning future results and events, and that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are further described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2020, at Item 1A in particular, and in other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time. As such, we caution you not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made, and except as required by law, we undertake no obligation to update or review any forward-looking statements to reflect future circumstances, developments or events, or the occurrence of unanticipated events. This afternoon, Cathay General Bancorp issued an earnings release outlining its fourth quarter 2021 results. To obtain a copy of our earnings release as well as our earnings presentation, please visit our website at www.cathaygeneralbancorp.com. After comments by management today, we will open up this call for questions. I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chang Liu.
spk14: Thank you, Georgia, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our 2021 Fourth Quarter Earnings Conference Call. This afternoon, we reported a net income of $75.3 million for the fourth quarter of 2021, a 4% increase as compared to the net income of $72.4 million for the third quarter of 2021. The leader earnings per share increased 10% to $0.98 per share for the fourth quarter of 2021 compared to $0.89 per share for the same quarter a year ago. For the year ending December 31st, 2021, we reported a record net income of $298.3 million and EPS of $3.80 per share for 2021. In the fourth quarter of 2021, our gross loans excluding PPP loans increased by $444.6 million to $16.3 billion, which represents an annualized growth rate of 11.4 percent. The increasing loans for the fourth quarter of 2021 was primarily driven by increases of $189.6 million or 29.2 percent annualized in commercial loans excluding PPP loans, $307.7 million or 16.3 percent annualized in commercial real estate loans, and $37.2 million or 0.9 percent annualized in residential mortgage loans, offset by a decrease of $77.2 million or minus 45.4 percent annualized in real estate construction loans. The overall loan growth for 2022 is expected to range between 9 to 11 percent, including approximately 700 million of loans from the acquisition of certain West Coast branches from HSBC. Excluding the HSBC acquisition, we project loan growth to be between 5 and 7 percent in 2022. During the fourth quarter of 2021, 72.5 million of PPP loans were forgiven. As of December 31st, 2021, our deferred PPP loan fees were 643,000. We continue to monitor our commercial real estate loans. Turning to slide eight of our earnings presentation, as of December 31st, 2021, the average loan-to-value of our CRE loans was 51 percent. As of December 31st, 2021, Our retail property loan portfolio comprises 23 percent of our total commercial real estate loan portfolio and 11 percent of our total loan portfolio. The majority, 60 percent of the $1.87 billion in retail loans, is secured by neighborhood, mixed-use, or strip centers, and only 10 percent is secured by shopping centers. For the fourth quarter of 2021, we reported net charge-offs of $300,000 compared to net charge-offs of $2.3 million the third quarter of 2021. Our non-accrual loans were 0.4% of total loans as of December 31st, 2021, decreased by $2.8 million to $65.8 million as compared to the end of the third quarter of 2021. We recorded a provision for credit loss of $3.5 million in the fourth quarter of 2021 as compared to $3.1 million provision for credit losses in the third quarter of 2021. The provision for credit losses of $3.5 million reflected a net charge-offs of $300,000 and provisions for the loan growth during the fourth quarter. Turning to slide 13, total average deposits increased by $345.6 million or 8.1 percent annualized during the fourth quarter of 2021. We were especially pleased by the $332.4 million increase or 34.4 percent annualized in average demand deposits during the fourth quarter compared to the third quarter. Average time deposit decreased by $278.5 million, or 18.8% annualized, due primarily to the runoff of broker CDs. For 2022, the overall deposit growth is expected to range between 9% and 10%, which includes approximately $700,000 of low-cost deposits from the HSBC acquisition. $700 million.
spk07: $700 million.
spk14: Excluding the acquired deposits from HSBC, we project deposit growth to be between 5% to 7% in 2022. We repurchased 1,511,038 shares of our stock at an average cost of $43.97, totaling $66.4 million in the fourth quarter of 2021. There is $32.9 million remaining under our September 2021 $125 million stock buyback program. Our previous announced acquisition of certain West Coast branches from HSBC is scheduled to close on or around February 4th, 2022. We are pleased with the progress of the integration and conversion. We would like to welcome the new customers and the HSBC team members in the 10 branches. This transaction will broaden the reach of our Northern and Southern California branch network in addition to acquiring approximately $700 million in low-cost deposits and approximately $700 million in residential mortgages. We look forward to the contribution of the new branches to our bank's future growth. I will now turn the floor over to our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Peng Cheng, to discuss the fourth quarter of 2021 financial results in more detail.
spk07: Thank you, Cheng, and good afternoon, everyone. For the fourth quarter of 2021, net income increased by $2.9 million, or 4%, to $75.3 million compared to the third quarter of 2021. This increase was primarily attributable to increase in net interest income due to strong loan growth in the fourth quarter. Our net interest margin was 3.23% in the fourth quarter of 2021 as compared to 3.22% for the third quarter of 2021. In the fourth quarter of 2021, interest recoveries and pre-payment penalties added six basis points to the net interest margin as compared to foil basis points for the third quarter of 2021. There were 3.1 billion of loans at the floor rate as of December 31 to 2021. Approximately 2 billion of our CDs matured in the first quarter of 2022 with average rates of 0.48%. We are targeting renewing retail CDs in the 40 to 50 basis point range. Based on three rate hikes during 2022, this is June, September, and December, we expect our net interest margin for 2022 to be between 3.2% to 3.3%. Net interest income during the fourth quarter of 2021 increased by $7.6 million to $19.8 million when compared to the third quarter of 2021, primarily due to a venture capital distribution income of $3.7 million, an increase of $1.3 million in swap income, and an increase of $2.2 million in mark-to-market gains on equity securities in the fourth quarter. Non-interest expense increased by 983,000 or 1.4% to 73.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2021 when compared to 73.2 million in the third quarter of 2021. The increase was primarily due to an increase of 0.5 million in acquisition and conversion costs, and $0.4 million in higher salaries and bonus accruals. The effective tax rate for the fourth quarter of 2021 was 23.6% as compared to 19.1% for the third quarter of 2021. The increase in the effective tax rate resulted from a $1.6 million catch-up adjustment in the third quarter of 2021 for 2020 solar tax credits, resulting from the receipt of 2020 K-1s. For 2022, we expect a full-year effective tax rate of between 19 and 20 percent and solar tax credit amortization of $5 million a quarter starting in the second quarter of 2022. As of December 31, 2021, our Tier 1 leverage capital ratio decreased to 10.4% as compared to 10.67% as of September 30 of 2021. Our Tier 1 risk-based capital ratio decreased to 12.8% from 13.29% as of September 30 of 2021. And our total risk-based capital ratio decreased to 14.41%. from 14.9 as of September 30th, 2021.
spk14: Thank you, Heng. We will now proceed to the question and answers portion of the call.
spk13: Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press the star then one key on your touchtone telephone. we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. You may then return to the queue. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press the pound key. To prevent any background noise, we ask that you please place yourself on mute once your question has been stated. Your first question comes from the line of Brandon King from Truist Security. Your line is now open.
spk04: Hey, good afternoon.
spk14: Hi. Hi, Brandon.
spk04: So I first wanted to talk about loan growth. It was pretty strong in the quarter, but I wanted to get a sense of your expectations for 2022 and what that would – what it could look like on a core basis.
spk14: For 2022, we're projecting a total loan growth at 925. 11%, but that includes the HSBC acquisition, so excluding that number is in the 5% to 10% range. It's 5% to 7% range. Okay.
spk04: And also, I saw that CRE was pretty strong in the quarter. Could you just talk about what drove that and what are your expectations for the CRE book as well within that 5% to 7% core guidance in 2022?
spk14: Sure. At CRE, most of the businesses were multifamily driven, and that comes from sort of the acquisition and renovation as well as some of the stabilized properties increases. I think we had a few teams that did significantly well in their relationships and expanding those relationships, so we continue to see positive growth out of that. For 2022, CRE's number is around 5% to 6%. Okay.
spk04: And lastly, just for CNI, I know there's been a lot of focus on that. What are you expecting as far as utilization rates there? And also in 4Q, did that strength come from new customers or existing customers expanding their utilization?
spk14: So the CNI increase is really a result of some of the new relationships we've acquired through some of the new relationships managers and teams that we require during 2020 and 2021. The utilization rate for 2021, the number that we have is around 55%. We expect that number to stay relatively stable at that number, and we're seeing continued increase in commitment as well. You know, so we're positive, we're optimistic that the 2022 numbers on CNI will increase as well. Yeah, our budget has exceeded
spk07: growing in around 11%, 12% for CNI. Okay.
spk05: Very helpful. Thank you for the answers. Thank you.
spk13: Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGrady from KTW. Your line is now open.
spk03: Hey, great. I just want to revisit the loan growth comments to make sure I understand.
spk15: So this quarter you had about 11% annualized.
spk03: and the organic guide, excluding the deal, is call it 5 to 7. It seems conservative to me. Is this just an intentional remixing, or are you seeing certain asset classes that you might not want to grow as fast?
spk14: Well, the 11% is the quarter-over-quarter comparison, right? But if you look at the year-over-year, that number is actually about 4.5%. So I think the organic guidance of 5 to 7% is still a – increase over the actual 2021 year-over-year comparison. Okay, that's helpful.
spk07: We're also being conservative, Chris. We'll update that guidance each quarter as we go into 2022.
spk03: Understood. Okay, great. And then the expenses, could you help us with the trajectory in expenses? We're hearing a lot from banks about inflation and I just wanted to make sure I got the expenses and also if you had the low income amortization expectations too.
spk07: Yeah, we're first we're going to break it out in two parts. One for core CAFE excluding HSBC acquisition. We expect and one time conversion expenses we expect expenses to be about 3.5% next year. The HSBC is about 10 million core. That's about 4.2% increase from our 2021. And then we see low-income housing about flat to 2021. We had some... We had some catch-up adjustments in 2021, so that's flat, and then solar would be up about $3 million. And then I think he can talk about why we think we can hold at 3.5%.
spk14: For us, you know, the focus is important to keep the expenses down. You know, our team members are the most critical assets of the bank. Obviously, given... where the labor market is today, and we need to make sure that we're retaining and attracting the right talent. So outside of that, we're looking at other core areas of expense control where we can be able to save some cost. On the core systems, we were able to save some cost on the contract negotiation extension there, in addition to other just kind of looking at overall locations and other physical costs expense-wise. We're looking to offset that, any potential increases on that side of the income statement. Okay.
spk03: And just to clarify, that $10 million on HSBC, that's an annual number, assuming an early Feb close. That's right. And then the gain, the venture gain, is that in addition or is that included within the security gain line?
spk02: It looks like it's in other income.
spk06: That's in other incomes, right.
spk02: Okay. All right, thanks, Hank.
spk06: Okay, thank you.
spk13: As a reminder, to ask a question, you will need to press star 1 on your telephone. Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Clark from Piper Sandler. Your line is now open.
spk08: Hey, good afternoon. Hi, Matthew.
spk11: Just want to start on the deposit growth. Pretty significant this quarter. concentrations or any part of that growth that might be unsustainable? Just trying to get a sense for where it came from.
spk07: Yeah, first, you know, we like to measure it based on average quarterly balance growth, and that was still pretty good, especially in money market and DDA. We had a couple of deposit customers that made deposits late in the year. It's $200 million in DDA and $400 million in NOW. And those deposits have left the bank as of today.
spk14: And Matthew, going forward, we're really focusing on growing our low-cost deposits. We want to shift our liability mix so that we continue to push to drive down the cost of funds.
spk11: Got it. Okay. And then the uptick in special mention this quarter, it looked like you added some reserves to CNI as well. I know part of that's loan growth, but can you just give us a sense for what drove the increase in special mention and your expectations there? Yeah.
spk07: Yeah, that's – I got a list from our chief weather officer. You know, we're – That's more of a monitoring category for us. So there's a couple of construction, there's some COVID type impact where properties are, their lease rates are a little bit weaker. There's a couple of CNI loans were due to, supply chain disruption. Maybe the profits went down. So we put them into special mention. So it's nothing that that would be concerning to us.
spk10: Okay.
spk07: Yeah. And then yeah, and then on sub, you know, we have two credits. We feel pretty good about those. Those are kind of one-off issues. We don't see them going on now.
spk11: Okay. And then just given the delay in, I think, the solar amortization, you know, starting the second quarter in the tax rate of 19 to 20, how should we think about kind of the tax rate at least in the first quarter relative to the second before things kind of smooth out?
spk07: That should be the full year effective tax rate. We expect to close that deal or what we're shooting to close that deal before the end of March. So it will be in our full year effective tax rate. Okay. Got it.
spk11: Thank you.
spk13: Thank you for your participation. I will now turn the call back over to Cathay General Bank Corp's management for closing remarks.
spk14: I want to thank everyone for joining us on our call, and we look forward to speaking with you at our next quarterly earnings release call.
spk13: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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