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spk01: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Cathay General Bancorp's first quarter of 2024 earnings conference call. My name is Gary, and I'll be your coordinator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Following the prepared remarks, there will be a question and answer session. If you would like to participate in this portion of the call, please press star followed by 1 at any time during the conference. If assistance is needed at any time during the call, please press star followed by zero, and a coordinator will be happy to assist you. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay at www.CathayGeneralBancorp.com. Now I would like to turn the call over to Georgia Lowe, Investor Relations of Cathay General Bancorp. Please go ahead.
spk02: Georgia Lowe, Investor Relations of Cathay General Bancorp. Thank you, Gary, and good afternoon. Here to discuss the financial results today are Mr. Chang Liu, our President and Chief Executive Officer, and Mr. Hang Chen, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Before we begin, we wish to remind you that the speakers on this call may make forward-looking statements within the meaning of the applicable provisions of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 concerning future results and events, and that these statements are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially. These risks and uncertainties are further described in the company's annual report on Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2023, at Item 1A in particular, and in other reports and filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission from time to time. As such, we caution you not to place undue reliance on such forward-looking statements. Any forward-looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made and except as required by law, We undertake no obligation to update or review any forelooking statements to reflect future circumstances, developments or events, or the occurrence of unanticipated events. This afternoon, Cathay General Bancorp issued an earnings release outlining its first quarter 2024 results. To obtain a copy of our earnings release, as well as our earnings presentation, please visit our website at www.cathaygeneralbancorp.com. After comments by management today, we will open up this call for questions. I will now turn the call over to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mr. Chang Liu.
spk00: Thank you, Georgia, and good afternoon. Welcome to our 2024 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. This afternoon, we reported net income of $71.4 million for first quarter 2024, a 13.4% decrease as compared to $82.5 million the previous quarter. Our net income this quarter included a $9 million, or $0.09 per diluted share, mark-to-market loss from equity securities, and a $2.9 million, or $0.03 per diluted share, accrual for an increase in the FDIC special assessment. Diluted earnings per share decreased by 13.5% to $0.98 per share for the first quarter of 2024, as compared to $1.13 per share in the previous quarter. In first quarter 2024, total gross loans decreased $119 million, or 2.4% annualized, or 3.8% annualized in commercial real estate loans, offset by a decrease of $172 million, or 20.9% annualized in commercial loans, and $40 million, or 37.7% annualized in construction loans. Due to slower than expected loan growth in first quarter 2024, we have revised our overall loan growth guidance for 2024 to range between 3% and 4%. We added slide 6 to show the percentage of loans in which major loan portfolio that are either fixed rate or hybrid loans in their fixed rate period. Our loan portfolio consists of 64% fixed rate and hybrid loans excluding fixed-to-flow interest rate swaps on 4% of total loans. Fixed rate loans comprise 30% of total loans, and hybrid loans in fixed rate period comprise 34% of total loans. We continue to monitor our commercial real estate loans, turning to slide 8 of our earnings Dec, as of 31st, 2024, the average loan-to-value of our CRE loans was 50%. As of March 31st, 2024, our retail property loan portfolio is shown on slide 9, comprised of 23% of our total commercial real estate loan portfolio, with 12% of our total loan portfolio. 90% of the $2.3 billion in retail property loan is secured by retail store, building, neighborhood, mixed-use, or strip centers. Only 9% is secured by shopping centers. On slide 10, office property loans represent 15% of our total commercial real estate loan portfolio, or 8% of our total loan portfolio. Only 34% of the $1.5 billion in office property loans are collateralized by pure office buildings. Only 3% are in central business districts. 38% of office property loans are collateralized by office retail stores. Office mixed-use and medical offices and the remainder 28% are collateralized by office condos. For first quarter 2024, we reported net charge-offs of $1.1 million as compared to $4.1 million in the previous quarter. Our non-accrual loans were 0.5% of total loans as of March 31, 2024, which increased by $31.4 million to $98.1 million as compared to the previous quarter. The increase in non-accrual loans during the first quarter of 2024 came mainly from a $23 million low loan-to-value construction loan in New York, which has passed due maturity, and two theater loans totaling $21 million. Turning to slide 12, as of March 31, 2024, classified loans increased to $244 million from $200 million as of December 31, 2023. And our special mission loans decreased to $249 million from $308 million as of December 31, 2023. So for first quarter 2024, there was a small decrease in total special mention and classified loans. We recorded a provision for credit loss of 1.9 million the first quarter of 2024 as compared to a 1.7 million in provision for credit losses for the previous quarter. Total deposits increased by 520.8 million or 10.8% annualized during the first quarter of 2024. Total core deposits increased 210.9 million or 8.4% annualized, and total time deposits increased 731.7 million, or 31.3% during the first quarter of 2024, mainly due to our Lunar New Year CD campaign. We expect the overall deposit growth to continue in an estimated range between 4% and 5%. As of March 31, 2024, total uninsured deposits were 8.1 billion, net of 0.7 billion in collateralized deposits, or 40.7% of total deposits. We have an unused borrowing capacity from the Federal Home Loan Bank of $6.9 billion and unplaced securities of $1.7 billion as of March 31st, 2024. The sources of available liquidity more than cover 100% of uninsured and uncollateralized deposits as of March 31st, 2024. I will now turn the floor over to our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Mr. Hang Cheng, to discuss the quarterly financial results in more detail.
spk03: Thank you, Chang, and good afternoon, everyone. For Q1 2024, net income decreased by $11.1 million or 13.4% to $71.4 million compared to $82.5 million in the previous quarter, primarily due to a $9 million unrealized loss of equity securities in Q1 2024 versus a $9 million unrealized gain on equity securities in Q4 2023. An additional 2.9 million accrual in Q1 2024 for the FDIC special assessment. Q1 2024 net interest margin was 3.05% as compared to 3.27% for the previous quarter. Interest recoveries and prepayment penalties did not change the net interest margin for Q1 2024 versus the increase of one basis point for the previous quarter. We estimate our net interest margin for 2024 to be between 3.05 to 3.15% based on the expectation for two rate cuts in 2024 with a first rate cut in September and a second rate cut in December. Our prior net interest margin guidance was based on three rate cuts, with the first rate cut being in June. Given that 64% of our loans fixed rate or hybrid loans in their fixed rate period, the lower number of rate cuts negatively impacted our net interest margin guidance. Non-interest income during the first quarter of 2024 decreased by $16.5 million to $6.6 million when compared to $23.1 million the previous quarter. The decrease was primarily due to an $18 million increase in unrealized loss on equity securities between the two quarters. Non-interest expense decreased by 17.3 million or 15.6% to 93.2 million in Q1 2024 when compared to 110.5 million the prior quarter. This decrease was primarily due to a net decrease of 8.3 million from the FDIC special assessment, 11.7 million in lower amortization of solo tax credit investments, and 1.3 million lower in professional expense. Offset by increase of 3.5 million in salary and benefits, which included a $2 million true up for 2023 bonuses and a $1.4 million seasonally higher payroll expense and an acceleration of $1 million of contributions into Q1 2024 as compared to the previous quarter. The effective tax rate for Q1 2024 was 10.76% as compared to 11.28% the previous quarter. With the closing of a new solar tax credit fund investment in Q1 2024, we expect an effective tax rate at between 12% and 13% for 2024. We now expect total 2024 solo tax credit investment amortizations of $32.5 million with $8 million in Q2 of 2024 and $9 million each in Q3 and Q4. As of March 31, 2024, our Tier 1 leverage capital ratio increased to 10.71% as compared to 10.55% as of December 31, 2023. Our tier one risk-based capital ratio increased to 13.08% from 12.83% as of December 31, 2023. And our total risk-based capital ratio increased to 14.55% from 14.3% as of December 31st, 2023.
spk00: Thank you, Hang. We will now proceed to the question and answer portion of the call.
spk01: Ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question at this time, please press the star then one key on your touchtone telephone. we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up question. You may then return to the queue. If your question has been answered or you wish to remove yourself from the queue, please press star then two. To prevent any background noise, we ask that you please place yourself on mute once your question has been stated. The first question today is from Matthew Clark with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
spk09: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for the questions. Just the first one around the margin. Can you give us the average margin in the month of March and then the spot rate on interest bearing or total deposits at the end of March?
spk03: Yeah. The NIM for the month of March was 2.99%. And then the spot rate for interest-bearing deposits at the end of March was 3.8%. Okay.
spk09: Got it. Okay. And then just the low-income housing tax credit amortization, I think it was $8.2 million in the first quarter. Is that still expected to be $10.5 million per quarter for the next three?
spk03: it might be closer to 10. But it's okay, it jumps around. Yep.
spk09: Okay. Okay. And then just the the reserve on your office portfolio, is it consistent with the overall theory reserve? Or has it changed at all?
spk03: Matthew, since we didn't have any new office non accruals, it's still hold on, let me
spk04: It's still the same as the general reserve. Okay. Okay, thank you.
spk03: Yeah.
spk01: The next question is from Brandon King with Truist. Please go ahead.
spk05: Hey, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my questions. So on the NIM guidance, what do you think takes you from the lower end of the range to the higher end of the range? Could you just give us kind of the puts and takes as far as how you're thinking about things?
spk03: Yeah, Brandon. You know, one, except the higher rates we paid for the six-month CDs in the Chinese New Year promotion, we... we think we're getting less deposit pricing pressure. So as the quarter goes on, the CD pricing is going to be based on the six bond for one year treasury. So that's going to, it's going to decrease compared to where it is now. So we'll get less deposit pressure. And then meanwhile, our new loans are at market rates. For example, residential mortgage, our new loans are low sevens. So all our new loan production is going to pull up the market. the average rate on our loans. And then we have some loans that are repricing during the CRE loans that are repricing. So that will also improve the rate on the loan. So we see the NIM a little bit lower in Q2, maybe flat to Q2 and Q3, and then Q4 would be much better.
spk05: Got it. And that's because of the rate cuts, right? The impact of the rate cuts?
spk03: Yes.
spk05: Okay. Yes. Okay. That makes sense. And then could you update us on the CD repricing or the CD maturities for the rest of the year?
spk04: Yeah, let me, we have it here.
spk03: So in the second quarter, we have 2.1 billion in CDs. They're repricing, well, the yield of the maturing CDs are 4.57. Q3, $3.6 billion, and the yield on those CDs is 4.82. So that reflects our Chinese do-do promotion for the six-month term. Q4, $2 billion of CDs are maturing. The yield is 4.67%. And then in Q1 2025, we have $1.9 billion maturing, and the yield there is at 4.18. And there, some of the lower yield reflects the fact that our Chinese New Year promotion, our one-year rate was at 4.88. So that was lower than the six-month rate.
spk05: Got it. Got it. Very helpful. I will hop back in the queue.
spk03: Thank you.
spk01: The next question is from Gary Tenner with DA Davidson. Please go ahead.
spk06: Thanks. Good afternoon. A little bit of a follow-up on the deposit and NIM question. I mean, just in a year where you don't have a need for massive deposit growth, given what the loan growth outlook looks like, how aggressive can you be on deposit pricing maybe outside the CD portfolio? Is that just going to roll lower anyway?
spk03: Well, Gary, you know, I'm the final stop for rate concessions at Cathay, and we're seeing much less. So when we... So we're facing less pressure to raise new deposits because we expect our loan growth to be slower. So the mindset, particularly later on in the year, is to be a little bit more aggressive pushing down the rates. And again, the fact that the treasuries at some point, when your treasury is going to start declining, that will help us.
spk06: Right. I guess what I was trying to ask, perhaps I didn't ask it well enough, is outside of the CD book, do you have the ability, do you think, to be to push down or nibble on deposit pricing to push it a little bit lower or even ahead of a Fed cut? Or do you not think you have the ability to do that?
spk03: A big, a good proportion of our money market book is effectively tied to Fed funds. So as soon as there's a Fed rate cut on those depositors, we're going to cut the rate by 25 basis points. And then we plan on for other money market depositors, maybe we'll reduce those by 10 or 15 basis points. And then we have some now accounts that are also tied to Fed funds.
spk04: Got it. Thank you.
spk03: It's just not the CDs that won't be able to read price. Right. Yeah. Thank you.
spk01: Again, to ask a question, please press star, then one. The next question is from Andrew Terrell with Stevens. Please go ahead.
spk08: Hey, good afternoon. Just a quick follow-up on the margin. Just On the discussion around the cadence throughout the year, it sounded like flattish in 2Q and 3Q and then lifts into 4Q. I kind of commenced with your Fed cut assumptions. I'm just curious, the flattish commentary, is that off of the spot margin you referenced or the March margin of 299? Or do you think that the 2Q margin is flat to the 305 reported in the first quarter?
spk03: No, it'll be down a couple basis points. You know, P2, there's two 30-day months, so that helps us because we have so many residential mortgages.
spk08: Okay, so maybe down just a couple of basis points in the second quarter and then Flattish and 3Q and then starts to lift?
spk03: Yes, yes. Okay.
spk08: And then if I was looking at the core operating expense lift in the first quarter, and it was maybe a little more than what I was expecting. And if I do the math right, kind of tracking a few million dollars ahead of where your full year expense growth guidance implies. So I guess my question is just how much of the kind of one Q lift in core operating expenses was more seasonality driven. And then just curious as we move throughout the year, Where are you going to see quarterly expense reductions in the core OPEX to land in that 3% to 3.5% growth guidance?
spk03: Yeah. In my comments, I tried to cover the FICA hit, the bonus catch-up, the fact that we accelerated our sales some charitable contributions from April to March. We also, because our loan growth was negative, we also had less loan origination costs capitalized. So I, you know, based on kind of our, looking at the flow of expenses, we think we'll be close to that 3.5% upper range.
spk04: Okay. Understood. I appreciate it. Yes. Thank you.
spk01: The next question is from Chris McGrady with KBW. Please go ahead.
spk07: Great. Thanks. Last quarter you talked about a key to your guide for the margin was, I think, stability and non-interest bearing, which fell again this quarter. Have you revised that assumption for the back half of the year in your guide?
spk03: We spent a lot of time looking at the DDA by branch, and we think some of it is seasonal because of... the Chinese New Year, the payment of taxes, you know. So it's been stable in March and so far in April in terms of the DDA balance. And then China, I think, tends to build up later in the year as the customer's kind of businesses
spk00: flow and the volume continues, some of the DDA balance should pick back up.
spk07: Okay. Okay, great. And then the follow-up, I guess, is two-part. One, it would seem like net interest income dollars would have a little bit more downward pressure in Q2, stability Q3, and then growth in Q4. And then I just want to make sure I heard Matt's question on the amortization. So, so Q2 should be somewhere like 18 million combined, uh, solar and low income, right? Eight plus 10. Yeah.
spk03: Yeah. Yeah.
spk07: Okay. And then the, you agree with my logic on the, uh, net interest income cadence on a quarterly basis.
spk03: Yeah. It's, it'll be down a little bit more in, uh, Q2, we benefit from the 230-day months in Q2. And then in Q3, you know, we have half a month of the Fed cut that will happen in September. And hopefully some repricing from our Chinese New Year deposits. So, yeah. Okay.
spk04: Great. Thanks, Einstein.
spk03: Okay. Yeah. Thanks, Chris.
spk01: Thank you for your participation. I will now turn the call back over to CathayBit General Bancorp's management for closing remarks.
spk00: I would like to thank everyone for joining us on our call, and we look forward to speaking with you at our next quarterly earnings release call.
spk01: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your participation in today's conference. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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