Cogent Communications Holdings, Inc.

Good morning and welcome to Cogent Communications Holdings third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. As a reminder, this conference call is being recorded and it will be available for replay at www.cogentco.com. That is www.cogentco.com. A transcript of this conference call will be posted on Cogent's website when it becomes available. Some of the financial and operational results attached to inspected leads can be downloaded from the Cogent website. I would now like to turn the call over to Mr. Dave Schaefer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer of Cogent Communications Holdings. Please go ahead, sir.

Thank you, Lane. Good morning to everyone. Welcome to our third quarter 2024 earnings conference call. I'm Dave Schaefer, Cogent's Chief Executive Officer. And with me on this morning's call is Tad Weed, our Chief Financial Officer. Hopefully you've had a chance to review our earnings press release. Our press release includes a number of historical quarterly metrics, which we present on a consistent basis every quarter. Now I'd like to take a moment to address some of the expected cost savings that we've been able to achieve. We are continuing to make substantial progress in realizing cost savings and synergies from the acquisition of the Sprint Global Markets business. Based on the difference between our monthly cost run rates in May of 2023 and September of 2024, we have realized $165 million of these savings are approximately 75% of our targeted $220 million in annual cost savings. These cost savings were initially expected to be achieved in their entirety by May of 2026. Our combined coach and business had a very good quarter. Our total revenue was $257.2 million for the quarter. Our revenue results for the quarter were impacted by the continuing grooming of low-margin off-net connections, the continued elimination of non-core products, and low-margin business with the reduction in revenues from the commercial services agreement that we have with T-Mobile. revenues under our commercial services agreement with T-Mobile decreased sequentially by $1.8 million to $4.1 million for the quarter from $5.9 million for Q2. Revenue from a low margin resale customer contract, which was acquired in the Sprint acquisition, which we intentionally terminated, was classified as on-net revenue and enterprise revenue and declined by $3.5 million sequentially. Excluding the impact of these two results for our total revenue, our revenues would have increased by $2.1 million or approximately seven-tenths of a percent sequentially. Our non-core revenues also declined by another $500,000 to $4.1 million for the quarter. Our wavelength revenues increased sequentially by 45.8% to $5.3 million, and an increase of 76.7% on a year-over-year basis. Our IPv4 leasing revenue increased sequentially by 11.8 percent to 12.8 million and increased 31.5 percent on a year-over-year basis. Our network traffic for the quarter increased by 8 percent sequentially and 19 percent on a year-over-year basis. Our EBITDA increased sequentially by $8.7 million, and our EBITDA margin increased sequentially by 350 basis points to 13.9%. Our EBITDA as adjusted was $60,900,000, and our EBITDA as adjusted margin was $23.7%. percent for the quarter versus $106.2 million and 40.8 percent for Q2 of 2024. The sequential change was due to the scheduled reduction of $41.7 million in a decline in payments under our IP Transit Services Agreement with T-Mobile but was partially offset for $8.7 million sequential increase in EBITDA. In accordance with our IP service transit agreement with T-Mobile, we received payments for the quarter totaling $25 million. This compares to the payments that we received in the previous quarter of 66.7 million. The payments for this quarter are three monthly payments of 8.3 million dollars. An additional 38 monthly payments of 8.3 million per month will continue through November of 2027. These payments are included in our EBITDA as adjusted. We continue to realize cost reductions from the acquired expense base. Our SG&A decreased by $4.9 million sequentially, or 7.5%. Our SG&A as a percentage of revenue also decreased to 23.4% from 25% last quarter. Our cost of goods sold increased by $5.3 million from the last quarter due to two major expenses. The additional costs involved in converting former Sprint switch sites into Cogent data centers that were not capitalized and certain vendor contract termination costs. The primary contract that was terminated was a tri-party agreement. This was the first opportunity we had to buy out of that agreement and to end that relationship. However, over the course of the year, on a year-over-year basis, our cost of goods sold still decreased by 12.1 million or 7%. Our gross debt to trailing 12 months EBITDA as adjusted ratio was 4.94 for the quarter, and our net debt ratio did increase from 3.14 last quarter to 4.13, primarily as a result of the reduction in IP transit payments from T-Mobile. We ended the quarter with $316.1 million of cash and cash equivalents on the balance sheet. Our sales force productivity improved in the quarter from 3.8 installed orders per rep per month in Q2 to four orders per rep per month in Q3. In conjunction with the Sprint acquisition, We hired a total of 942 employees in May of 2023. At quarter's end, 635 of these employees remain with Koja. Our wavelength business improved materially. In conjunction with the acquisition of the Sprint Network, We expanded our product offering to include optical wavelength services over our fiber optic network. We began selling these services to existing customers as well as acquired customers from Sprint and new customers. At the end of the quarter, we had connectivity and wavelength sales capabilities in 650 and 57 locations throughout North America, however, with longer provisioning cycles than we are targeting. We have sold wavelength services now in slightly over 200 locations. By the end of 2024, we expect to be able to offer wavelength services in over 800 locations, with a much more rapid provisioning cycle. We have a backlog and funnel of wave opportunities of over 3,400 unique wavelengths. Our sprint acquisition materially expanded our data center footprint. As of September 30th, we have partially reconfigured 43 of the acquired facilities and added them to our network. These added data centers are in addition to the 1,627 carrier neutral data centers that Cogent connects to. Today, there are 95 Cogent data centers which have an aggregate conditioned protected power capacity of 169 megawatts. We are decommissioning some legacy Cogent leased davis center facilities that are redundant with our fee simple owned sprint facilities our board of directors reflected on the progress that we have made and the cash flow generating capabilities of our business the investment opportunities we have and again decided to increase our quarterly dividend by one cent per share raising our quarterly dividend from 98.5 cents per share per quarter to 99.5 cents per share per quarter. This increase represents the 49th consecutive sequential increase in our regular quarterly dividend. This is a 4.2% annual dividend growth rate. We do expect the combined business of Sprint and Cogent to continue to achieve long-term average revenue growth of between 5% and 7%. And we expect adjusted EBITDA margins to expand on average over a multi-year period at roughly 100 basis points a year. Our revenue and EBITDA guidance are intended to be multi-year. and not intended to be used as specific quarterly guidance or even specific annual guidance. Our EBITDA is adjusted and leverage ratios are impacted by the $700 million that we receive under the IP Transit Agreement with T-Mobile. Now I'd like to ask CAD to read our safe harbor language, provide some additional operating performance metrics for the quarter, And then we will open the floor for questions and answers.

Thank you, Dave, and good morning, everyone. This earnings conference call includes forward-looking statements, and these forward-looking statements are based upon our current intent, belief, and expectations. These forward-looking statements and all other statements that may be made on this call that are not historical facts are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties, Please refer to our SEC filings for more information on the factors that could cause actual results to differ. Cogent undertakes no obligation to update or revise our forward-looking statements, and if we use any non-GAAP financial measures during this call, you will find these reconciled to the corresponding GAAP measurements in our earnings release that are posted on our website at cogentco.com. Some comments on corporate and net-centric revenue and customer connections. We analyze our revenues based upon network connection type, which is on-net, off-net, wavelength, and non-core. And we also analyze our revenues based upon customer type. We classify all customers into three types, net-centric, corporate, and enterprise customers. On the corporate business, Our corporate business represented 45.2% of our revenues for the quarter and our quarterly corporate revenue decreased by 3.5% year over year and sequentially by 2.8%. The sequential decrease was primarily due to the continued grooming of low margin off-net connections and the elimination of non-core products. We had 47,613 corporate connections on our network at quarter end For the quarter, the sequential impact of USF on our corporate revenues was a positive $600,000. Net-centric business. Our net-centric business continues to benefit from continued growth in video traffic, activity related to artificial intelligence, streaming, and wavelength sales. Our net-centric business represented 35.7% of our revenues for the quarter and decreased by 3.2% year over year. but grew sequentially by 0.8%. Our net centric revenue under our commercial services agreement with T-Mobile declined by 1.8 million sequentially and declined by 3.9 million year over year, and that impacted our net centric revenue results. We had 62,273 net centric customer connections on our network at quarter end. On the enterprise business, Our enterprise business represented the remainder of our revenues, 19.1% this quarter, and was $49.1 million. We had 16,447 enterprise customer connections on our network at the end of the quarter. Our enterprise revenue decreased by 18.2% year over year and sequentially by 1.4% or by 700,000. This was primarily due to a reduction in non-core and low margin revenues. Revenue from a low margin retail customer we acquired in the Sprint acquisition that Dave mentioned that we intentionally terminated and classified as on-net revenue and enterprise revenue declined sequentially by $3.5 million. If you exclude this impact from this cancellation, our enterprise revenue would have increased sequentially by $2.8 million, or by 5.6%. On revenue and customer connections by network type, on-net revenue, we serve our on-net customers in our 3,424 total on-net multi-tenant office carrier-neutral data center buildings. We continue to succeed in selling larger 100 gigabit connections and 400 gigabit connections in carrier-neutral data centers and selling 10 gigabit connections in select multi-tenant office buildings. Our on-net revenue was $136.5 million for the quarter, which was a year-over-year increase of 5.8%, but a sequential decrease of $4.3 million, or 3%. The decline in our on-net revenue under our commercial services agreement with T-Mobile and the cancellation of that low-margin resale customer negatively impacted our sequential on-net revenue results by an aggregate total of $5.7 million. Exclusive again of these impacts, our on-net revenue would have increased sequentially by 1%. Our on-net customer connections were $87,655 at quarter end. Our off-net revenue. Our off-net revenue was $111.3 million for the quarter a year-over-year decrease of 14.8% and a sequential decrease of 0.1%. The sequential small decline in our off-net revenue was partially impacted, again, by migration of certain off-net customers to on-net and the continued grooming and termination of low-margin off-net contracts, which had more of an impact. Our off-net customer connections were 32,420 at quarter end. Our wavelength revenue was 5.3 million for the quarter, sequential increase of 45.8%, and a year-over-year increase of 76.7%. Our wavelength customer connections were 1,041 at quarter end, a 38.1% sequential increase. Our IPv4 revenue, our IPv4 leasing business had an excellent quarter. We were leasing $12.9 million of the IPv4 addresses at the end of the quarter, and our IPv4 revenue increased by 11.8% from last quarter and increased by 31.5% year over year, and was $12.8 million for the quarter. Lastly, our non-core revenue was $4.1 million for the quarter, sequential decrease of $500,000 or 10.2%. And again, due to our decision to end of life these non-core products, non-core customer connections were 5,217 at quarter end, a sequential decline at 33.8%. Some comments on pricing per megabit. Our average price per megabit for our installed base decreased sequentially by 8.5% to 23 cents and 23.9% year over year, consistent with historical trends. Our average price per megabit for our new customer contracts for the quarter was $0.09, which was a sequential decrease of 29% and 47% year-over-year. Comments on ARPU. Our on-net ARPU decreased sequentially by 3.1% from $536 to $520. Year-over-year, it was an increase of 9.4%. Our off-net ARPU increased sequentially by 3.2% from 1,103 to 1,138. Year over year, our off-net ARPU increased by 1%. Our wavelength ARPU increased by 17.6% and was 1,964 this quarter compared to 1,670 last quarter. The average revenue per IPv4 address sold was materially higher and was 49 cents per address for the quarter. That was a 63.3% increase from an average of 30 cents for the base of all addresses at the beginning of the quarter. Our on-net monthly churn rate was 1.2% for the quarter. That was an improvement from 1.4% last quarter. Our off-net unit monthly turn rate increased to 2.6% this quarter from 2.3% last quarter. Comments on EBITDA classic and EBITDA margin. We reconcile our EBITDA to our cash flow from operations in each of our quarterly press releases. Our EBITDA increased sequentially by 8.7 million, and our EBITDA margin increased sequentially by 350 basis points to 13.9%. Our EBITDA as adjusted includes adjustments for Sprint acquisition costs and cash payments received under the IP Transit Agreement with T-Mobile. We collected $25 million under the IP Transit Services Agreement this quarter. Last quarter, it was $66.7 million, so a reduction of $41.7 million. Our EBITDA as adjusted was $60.9 million for the quarter. That was a 23.7% EBITDA as adjusted margin. Last quarter, it was $106.2 million, or 40.8%. The sequential change was due to the scheduled decline of $41.7 million of payments under the IP transit agreement with T-Mobile, and that offset our sequential increase of $8.7 million in EBITDA And we incurred $12.4 million of Sprint acquisition costs last quarter. We incurred none classified as Sprint acquisition costs this quarter as the one-year anniversary of the Sprint acquisition ended in May 2024. Some comments on foreign currency. Our revenue earned outside of the United States is reported in U.S. dollars, and it was about 18% of our revenues for the quarter. About 11% of that for the quarter of our revenues for the quarter were based in Europe and 6% the remainder related to Canada, Mexico, or oceanic South American and African operations. The average Euro to USD rate so far this quarter was 109 and the Canadian dollar exchange rate 73 cents. If those average rates remain at the current levels for the remainder of our fourth quarter, we estimate that the FX conversion impact on both sequential revenues and year-over-year would not be significant. Customer concentration, we believe that our revenue and customer base is not highly concentrated. Our top 25 customers represented 19% of our revenues this quarter, slightly down from 20% last quarter. CapEx, our quarterly capital expenditures were $59.2 million for the quarter, We are continuing our network integration to the former Sprint network and legacy Cogent network into one unified network and converting former Sprint switch sites into Cogent data centers. We have accelerated and expanded our data center conversion program due to the high level of demand for our power availability. And this program will require similar capex spending as we incurred this quarter per quarter through mid 2025. comments on finance leases our finance iru obligations are for long-term dark fiber leases our iru finance lease obligations were 482.6 million at quarter end and we have a very diverse set of iru suppliers and we have iru contracts with 360 different dark fiber suppliers across the world cash and restricted cash At quarter end, our cash and cash equivalents and restricted cash in the aggregate was $316.1 million. Of our total $36.9 million of cash that was restricted, $29.9 million was tied to the fair value of our swap agreement, and $7 million was tied to the requirements under our IPv4 notes. Debt and debt ratios. Our total gross debt at par, including our finance IRU obligations, was 1.9 billion at quarter end, and our net debt was 1.6 billion. Our total gross debt to last 12 months EBITDA as adjusted ratio was 4.94 at quarter end, and our net debt ratio was 4.13. Our consolidated leverage ratio as calculated under our note indentures was 5.11. and our secured leverage ratio as calculated under our note indentures was 2.90. Our fixed coverage ratio as calculated under our note indentures was 3.08. For the comments on the swap, we are party to an interest rate swap agreement that modifies our fixed interest rate obligation associated with our 500 million 2026 notes to a variable interest rate obligation. based on secured overnight financing rate for the remaining term of our 2026 notes. The fair value of our swap agreement decreased from last quarter by 5.6 million. Changes in the fair value of the swap agreement are classified in our public filings with interest expense as required under US GAAP. Finally, comments on bad debt and DSO. Our DSO was 32 days for the quarter versus 26 days last quarter. Our bad debt expense was $4.5 million and 1.8% of our revenues for the quarter. These increases were largely due to some collection issues associated with a large former Sprint customer that we since resolved after quarter end. And also just the calendar was kind of unkind with the 30th being where it fell and we incurred cash the first week after the 30th. We want to again thank and recognize our worldwide billing and collections team members for doing, again, a fantastic job in serving our Cogent customers. And with that, I will turn the call back over to Dave for some final remarks.

Hey, thanks, Ted. I'd like to highlight a couple of strengths on our network, customer base, and sales force. We continue to experience substantial traffic growth accelerating in our net centric IP business. At quarter's end, we were in 1,627 carrier neutral data centers and 95 cogent owned data centers, bringing that total to 1,722 facilities. The breadth of this coverage enables our net centric customers to better optimize their networks and reduce latency. We have a presence in 56 countries globally for these services. We expect to continue to widen this lead in the market and project adding over 100 carrier neutral data centers to our network each year for the next several years. By the end of 2024, we expect to be able to sell wavelength services in over 800 North American carrier neutral data centers with substantially reduced provisioning intervals. At quarter's end, we directly connected to 8,212 networks. 23 of these networks are peers, And 8,189 of these networks are Cogent Transit customers. We remain focused on our sales force. Our sales force productivity is dependent on managing out underperforming reps and training those reps that remain at the company to make them even more successful. Our Salesforce turnover rate was 6.7% per month for the quarter, down from a peak of 8.7% during the height of the pandemic, but still slightly above our historical average Salesforce turnover rate of 5.7% of the Salesforce per month. At quarter's end, we had 250 and 79 salespeople focused exclusively on the net centric market, 363 sales professionals focused on the corporate market, and 13 sales professionals focused on the enterprise market. We remain optimistic about our unique position in serving small and medium sized businesses with our IP based services located in the central business districts of major North American cities, with over 1,870 multi-tenant office buildings directly connected to our network comprising over a billion square feet of rentable space. We are excited about the opportunity to continue to grow are profitable services to our large enterprise customer base. We are enthusiastic and optimistic about our optical transport business or wavelength services and their addition to our product portfolio. We have a significant wavelength backlog, a funnel of over 3,400 wavelength opportunities. However, Due to our longer provisioning cycles, we are not sure all of these orders will in fact be installed. We will substantially reduce that provisioning window by quarter end. We are diligently working to complete the integration of the Sprint network and the Cogent network and remain very confident about the cash flow generating capabilities of this combined operation. Based on the difference between monthly costs at closing versus September of 2024, we have realized $165 million, or 75% of our targeted $220 million, an annual cost reduction. We will continue to look at ways to monetize our unleashed IPv4 addresses, our excess dark fiber, and maybe most importantly, we are focusing on our excess data center capacity and power. We are marketing these on a wholesale basis, either as a direct sale or a long-term lease. Currently we are in discussions with multiple counterparties for multiple sites. We have been taking feedback from those counterparties and accelerating the modification of these facilities to meet their requirements. With that, I'd like to open the floor for questions.

Thank you. As a reminder. if you'd like to ask a question please press star and the number one on your telephone keypad and our first question comes from the line of jim schneider from goldman sachs good morning thanks for taking my quote hello good morning thanks for taking my question

I was wondering, Dave, if you could maybe just comment on the Wavelengths business for a moment. Clearly, you had a nice uptick sequentially in revenue. Does that really reflect the fact that you're already kind of getting better improvement on provisioning than you would have expected maybe a quarter ago? And then maybe kind of comment on sort of what you said about the backlog. I think up 700 sequentially on the backlog, but also some – these may not be installed. So maybe talk about, as we look to the next few quarters, the rate of backlog growth we could expect and whether at any point you would expect to write down any of that backlog if you determine you can't provision it.

Yeah, so three different questions, Jim. Thanks for them. First of all, we substantially increased the number of endpoints that we could deliver wavelength services. We are quite confident that while we ended the quarter at 657 sites, by the year end, that number will be over 800 sites. In order to provision a wavelength rapidly, all of the intermediate sites need to be optimized for that wavelength implementation. Our goal is to get those Wavelength install windows down to about two weeks from today, about 90 days. We had certain customers in our backlog that had significant needs for the Wavelengths, and we diverted some resources away from the network optimization program to provision these Wavelengths. We were comfortable enough in the progress that we had made to hit the total 800 sites and all of the intermediate points by year end that we did not risk that pushing out. We continue to talk to the customers that are in our backlog, and if we can accelerate certain of those orders, we will. We also know that some of those orders have been sitting for months. We have tried to be very transparent with customers in terms of our limitations on hitting what we view as acceptable provisioning windows. Most customers have been tolerant of that and have continued to reaffirm to us that they are interested in those wavelengths. But it is also realistic that if some of those orders have been sitting for six or seven months when we actually go to provision and some customers may not accept those orders and we'll have those discussions. Now, with regard to the funnel building, We actually think the rate of funnel expansion should materially accelerate into next year. As we demonstrate success in delivering wavelengths, we then establish more credibility with those buyers. They see that we can, in fact, meet our provisioning windows. The quality of the service meets or exceeds industry standards. and our pricing remains aggressive so we feel very optimistic that in 2025 we will see a material ramp in the growth in our wavelength business to be able to hit our five-year post-acquisition target of doing 500 million dollars in wavelength sales which represents a market share of 25% in North America, similar to that of our market share for IP transfer.

That's very helpful. Thank you very much. And then maybe as a follow-up, I wanted to ask about the network cost side of things. I think you cited some individual items converting the sprint sites and also some vendor termination costs. So on a go-forward basis, Maybe in Q4, as we head into a run rate for 2025, how should we be thinking about where those sort of overall cost of revenues align? Where does that settle out?

So they will improve for three reasons. One, we continue to eliminate unprofitable products, whether they be low margin off net circuits or any non-core products that we can eliminate once the customer is out of contract for those services. Secondly, this quarter, we did have a substantial one-time expense associated with buying out of a contract. That contract was complicated because it was not just a bilateral contract that we inherited, but it actually had two counterparties to it, and we had to get concurrence between those parties. While we can't disclose the exact settlement amount, it was substantially above the revenue that we were receiving and the cost that we incurred on a typical run rate basis. That is one time and is gone. It was probably the largest and most complex of these cost of good contracts that we've quite honestly worked on for almost a year to get people to concur to allow us to exit it. While there are a few smaller contracts that will come up, they will be smaller, but some will show up definitely in 2025. And then the third item is, as we have accelerated the marketing of our wholesale data center space, either for sale or leased, we have been conducting dozens of tours at dozens of locations with many counterparties. We have been getting significant feedback from those counterparties on what they want to see. Now, sometimes we accept it, sometimes we don't. But it has resulted in us accelerating our conversion of these facilities. Just to remind investors, when we announced the Sprint transaction, our intention was to convert 45 facilities. That's been increased to 48. Secondly, we were only intending to convert about 10,000 square feet and about one megawatt into a retail cogent data center, and the remaining space and power was going to sit fallow. As the acceleration of AI training caused an acute shortage of data center power we realized we had an incremental opportunity to monetize that excess power and space we began last april talking to potential customers about that and a glistening feedback conducting tours and that did result in two things a increase in capital spending that Tad mentioned solely attributable to these data center conversions, and that was beyond the $50 million in network excess capex that we had anticipated. Based on the amount of time necessary to complete these conversions, we will be at an elevated capital run rate for probably a couple of more quarters as we complete the conversion of these data centers. We believe we will have them all converted and fully operational and marketable with all of the excess power by mid-year 25, so end of Q2. We also had to accelerate the deprovisioning and demo work in these facilities And that demo work cannot be capitalized, so therefore it did increase our cost of goods sold. We expect that to start to come down this quarter and continue to come down for the next couple of quarters.

Thank you very much. Hey, thanks Jim. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Greg Williams.

Greg, thanks for taking my questions. Dave, your on-net revenue was, you know, down quarter to quarter. You mentioned that that contract that was terminated had that $3.5 million impact, but it still would have been down $2.8 million excluding this. So just trying to understand the color here. And, you know, I think you mentioned the size and cadence of future uneconomic contracts going forward. It'll sort of dribble into 2025. you know, more color there would be great. And the same store sales on corporate would be helpful. Second question is just on the data center sale process you just mentioned. You know, could they sell for less than the 10 million per megawatt marker? But it sounds like you're putting the CapEx into it for the next few quarters so they can then command and fetch a $10 million per megawatt price. Thanks.

Okay. Let me try to hit all three of those, Greg. So first of all, in the on-net market, revenue there were two primary contributors to that decline the first was a sequential decline of 1.8 million dollars in our commercial services agreement with t-mobile uh as we have been very clear that We are bound by our purchase agreement to deliver these services to T-Mobile. They are not particularly profitable, and T-Mobile can, at its decision, continue to use them or not. We do anticipate them going asymptotically to zero, and they did come down $1.8 million in the quarter. The second big impact was actually twice as big as the reduction in the commercial services agreement was the reduction in the contract. So we had a service that we were selling that had two counterparties to it that was resulting in a 3.5 million-dollar revenue stream, but actually more than that in costs. We could not get out of that agreement until both counterparties would agree to a buyout provision, which we exercised in the quarter. I think we may have some smaller opportunities like this going forward, but this was the one that we've been working on. And quite honestly, it took us almost 18 months to get the two parties to agree. It wasn't something that we didn't know about. And it also was impossible for us to predict when this would happen for investors, just because we needed concurrence of both parties.

If I could just add to the on next. So this was in the prepared remarks. So the total impact of both of those transactions, the CSA and the customer contract was 5.7 million on our on-net. So if you just adjusted for those two sequentially, we would have been up sequentially by 1% in the on-net line.

Got it. Yep, absolutely, Ted. Thanks. And then secondly, to your question about corporate, you know, our core corporate products are continuing to perform at a reduced rate to where they were pre-pandemic, but still growing on a sequential and year-over-year basis. We are grooming two types of corporate revenue streams, the non-core services to corporate customers, and we are grooming low margin or even negative margin off net services that we cannot bring on net. That process will continue probably at a reduced rate, but probably for several more quarters, because in many cases, we are contractually bound by debt. contracts that we acquired in the acquisition to provide those services at a loss until such time as the contract ends. That is the primary reason T-Mobile paid us $700 million. Now I'll pivot to your data center question. You know, we looked at the price of data centers that have traded recently, and we looked at what other wholesale operators were charging and establishing our go-to-market price points. We had no experience in this market. In fact, when we did the initial transaction, it was not an opportunity that we even contemplated. But as we sensed the acute need for this power in the marketplace, we began to start to convert those facilities we felt that we were far enough along at the end of april to begin to allow counterparties to tour the facilities we've even allowed investors to go on bus tours to some of the facilities and some research analysts have written on that uh these are different than a brand new purpose-built data center. They are a switch site that is being converted. While there are many things that we understood needed to be done, we have literally held dozens, maybe even hundreds of tours that we're gathering input from the customers. Sometimes the requests are unreasonable on things they want done. Sometimes they are reasonable. We also have diverted more of our team resources and the use of contractors to get these facilities ready. That does require incremental capital, and it does require incremental cost of goods sold, and that we are doing this demolition work as a precondition that cannot be capitalized. We're primarily done with that. I mean, there's still a little bit more to be done, but there is a lot of preparatory work. Now, I will say, among the counterparties, there's a great deal of divergence around what they want by site and by counterparty. We are trying to optimize to the highest return on capital. The amount of capital we are spending here is de minimis relative to the opportunity. So whether we get 10 million, 9 million, or 11 million a megawatt out of these sites, based on our basis, even with this capital, this will be a phenomenal outcome if we sell them. We also have, I would say, more counterparties interested in long-term leases than sales. We do have both, but the million dollar a megawatt per year with CPI increases on a triple net basis has been viewed, I think, as an exceptional bargain in the market. You know, we are continuing on a site-by-site basis to effectively have a quiet auction where we have multiple counterparties. And my guess is there will be some sites that we will get a premium to the ask, some we get the ask, and maybe some don't transact. You know, it is a parallel effort to get the sites ready and to achieve the highest return for our shareholders.

Thank you.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of David Arden. The line's open.

Hey, guys. It's Dave Arden. Hey, Dave and Ted. Thanks for taking the question. So I guess I have two. The first is more of a housekeeping question, I guess, related to IPv4. And, you know, we've been seeing that IPv4 leasing volumes be growing at kind of like, you know, in the 5%, 6% range. You raised prices, and now it's kind of growing at the 1% range. Could you kind of talk a little bit about, Dave, your kind of senses to the price elasticity in that market right now? You know, we've been looking at some of the brokerage sites and prices have been falling and just interested in kind of review your updated view there. And then second, Dave, at the risk of having you talk the rest of the call, I just wanted kind of your latest thoughts. You know, Lumen earlier this week kind of basically made the case that the current physical internet is too small, too slow, and not secure enough for the emerging AI opportunity, and that they're really in the sweet spot, and that they're going to kill it in the AI world, and that the puck is moving away from where the cogens of the world are operating. If you could kind of give me your retort to that, I'd love to hear it. Thank you.

Yeah, let me take the IP address space question first. So I think the demand remains robust. When we implemented a price increase, there was obviously some shock to customers that were in negotiations but had not signed contracts at the lower price. And there's just a bit of, I think, adjustment that they need to get their head around in order to then pay the new price. I think most of that is behind us. I think you will see volumes continue to increase. Also, on the provisioning of those addresses, there is sometimes a bit of a lag as we do the diligence on the counterparties to make sure they don't run afoul of any security issues or foreign corrupt practices type issues. We have a dedicated team of four people that monitor the existing base of addresses and then vet new customers to make sure that they don't present a security threat. I think you'll see the volumes begin to re-accelerate. Then to the point, and by the way, 11.8% sequential revenue growth is still pretty good and off of a decent base. We do have substantial inventory. In terms of sales, I think the market is bifurcated For small block sales, prices have fallen. For large block sales, the prices have held very firm. And remember, Cogent possesses the largest block that has ever been given on a single basis. Now, there are other slash A's the size of our box. I don't want to present that we're unique, but no one has more than we have in a single contiguous block. So I think we have a lot of leverage in terms of whether we want to sell them. But right now, we're pretty pleased with both the growth in volume and the growth that we're going to be able to achieve in pricing per address. So I don't think there's yet a demand elasticity problem. I'm going to pivot, and I promise to keep my answer short because I do want to get everyone else's questions answered. on two things the state of the public internet and then the needs of ai who are bandwidth you know the public internet has been predicted to die for 25 years every time there is growth there is always some alternate technology that's going to replace the internet whether it's cross connection data centers peering fabrics, direct connections, CDNs, and the internet continues to grow. We grew traffic at an 8% sequential growth rate and a 19% year-over-year growth rate. That is hardly a technology that's in decline. AI is possible because of all of the data that has been collected over the Internet. Today there is roughly 700 zettabytes of data that has been amassed from Internet collections, and that is actually now growing at the rate of about 165 zettabytes a year. So a acceleration in the collection and storage of data because it now has value for AI training. I think that trend is just beginning and we're going to see continued acceleration. And these are third party numbers. Cogent only has visibility to the transmission piece of it, not to the storage piece. And then to the point about the current infrastructure not being sufficient. You know, there are thousands of strands of fiber sitting dark between every major metropolitan area and the developed world. We carry a quarter of the Internet's traffic on one pair of fibers and are not fully exhausted the optical throughput of that pair of fibers, and we're still only utilizing about 29% of our lit capacity. It is true that certain training models do require defined latency and additional security. The fact that Cogent is selling wavelength services allows us to attack that market. There is a hierarchy of cost per bit mile. The cheapest, most efficient way to move bits is the internet. The second most efficient cost-effective way is a wavelength the third most cost-effective way is to buy dark fiber it's a premium service and then finally the absolute most expensive way to move a bit is build your own fiber and there are companies engaged in those more expensive strategies but i will disagree with the premise that the internet has peaked and there's something else replacing it

I appreciate it, Dave. Thank you.

Hey, thanks, Dave.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Walter . The line's open.

Thanks. Dave, first, thanks for reducing the prepared remarks. That's a nice improvement for this core. Hopefully, we can continue that trend to get some additional synergies there. um thank you all uh so on the capex the um you haven't none of this is this is all basically speculative meaning that you you see the market in front of you obviously you're engaging these discussions you spend the capex now and then we start to see first sales in the second half of next year or or Have these guys specifically contracted that you do X, we're going to pay Y? Or have there already been sales that we can look at?

So there have not been sales. We have letters of intent. We have multiple parties. We have not executed a letter of intent. We have gotten letters from buyers. We were not initially planning sales. to even monetize this part of our acquired assets. If you go back and review the initial transcripts, we described a much wider data center footprint where we were going to use roughly a quarter of the footprint and probably only a couple of percent of the power that was in these facilities. And we were going to sell our retail co-op product, much like Cogent has and is continuing to sell. Based on inbounds initially and then our outbounds, we said we are sitting on an asset that today, because it exists, it doesn't have to be built, has real value, a time to market advantage. But we also knew we had to reconfigure these assets. That reconfiguration has two major components. One, you know, just all of the demo work and kind of preparatory work, and then a modest amount of capital. We are confident enough based on the number of parties, the market, and the overall price differential that we have, that the modest amount of incremental capital we're going to spend over the next several quarters is going to give us a very high return.

I understand that. And you said that in a prior comment. I don't want you to spend more time reiterating what you already said. I appreciate that. I guess the question is, when you look at the data centers, it's like you spend the numbers of your CapExes, whatever it is, let's call it 60 million-ish for three quarters, then you hope to get sales in the second half. Does it then drop off? Or do you say like, let's say you get a sale in June of 25, September 25, and then there's five more, or do we have this 60 then dropping back down to a more reasonable level? And then tied to that, the capital lease payments, I know you had a one-time payment last quarter, but that's 5 million, but I think there was like 80 million for the year. But is 5 million a new run rate in terms of capital? I'm just trying to get a sense of what else will contribute to cash burn and does it basically end in June of next year or is there some continuation there?

Yeah. So to directly answer your data center question, one, I believe we will have transactions, whether they be leases or sales, that are reportable before June. So you don't have to wait for June for a proof point. Now, whether that's the entire portfolio, I doubt it, but we will have proof points. Two, we will not have continuing CapEx related to the data centers beyond this initial conversion. So what we are spending is the money to convert 48 of the 482 acquired facilities. With regard to the capital lease payments, we did have a very meaningful prepayment last quarter. That was a one-time event. We do still have some incremental capital leases related to network reconfiguration, but we also we'll see some of the acquired fiber leases that we got when we acquired Sprint dropping off. And our total number of miles will actually go down and our expenses will go down.

So this run rate of $5.25 million is probably the more reasonable number going forward on capital lease principal payments?

Yeah, it seems pretty reasonable. Okay. Got it.

So, so when we put all the pieces together, then in terms of ramping wavelengths, you know, Barton talked about the, the IP things, those volumes obviously dropped off, but you're getting price increases, you know, how this all contributes to revenue. Now this elevated CapEx, I mean, you know, your debt is, you're going to obviously have to increase debt if you continue to sustain the dividend, um, So I guess the question, because it's just there is cash burnt. I don't know how the math, especially with the TSA payment drop-offs that exist. So debt has to go up because your cash is going to drop below. I mean, I don't know what you think is comfortable in terms of working capital. So is there any reconsideration in terms of the growth in the dividend, just given that maybe the interest rate outlook today? I mean, obviously these things change by the day, right? maybe not be as positive, given some of the projected policies that are going to occur in future quarters. Just thoughts on... And by the way, also, you know your leverage is up a turn. You're probably headed higher, just given how all these kind of numbers work together before some of these sales and revenues kick in. Is it the right time to be adding additional debt to the balance sheet to fund the dividend?

So... We've had this discussion before, Walt, for 15 years, Cogent has more than 100% of cash flow as its EBITDA grew from zero to 352 million last year. You are correct that the arithmetic of the T-Mobile IP transit payments dropped off and it is a LTM test, so arithmetically, our leverage does go up. We have substantial access to additional capital. We have, for example, under the IPV4 ABS transaction, it's a trust. We have now increased the revenue into that trust by 50% run rate. Just since we initiated, that would give us 50% of the borrowing capacity immediately. We are quite comfortable that we have multiple vectors of growth and ability to monetize and are very comfortable with our dividend policy as it has existed for the past 49 consecutive quarters and are comfortable in continuing a forward progression similar to what we've had historically.

Got it. Thank you.

Hey, thanks, Bob.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Rollins. The line's open.

Thanks, and good morning.

A couple questions. You know, first one is if you look at the constant currency revenue change year over year, I think this is now the first comparable quarter where you have everything in there for 12 months and it's down 6.7%. And I apologize if you mentioned some of these numbers before, but can you share like on a year over year basis relative to that six, seven, you know, how much the corporate, the heritage corporate's growing, how much the, you know, heritage net centric is growing and then what the decline, the shrink is and all of these other things that you're managing through with the acquired revenue. And then secondly, just, you know, given how much noise you described was in the cost of goods or cost of service this quarter, what's the right run rate number, you know, that you get to in that cost of service to just appreciate kind of cost on a more normalized basis? Thanks.

I mean, I can take the constant currency. So it was the impact year over year was negligible. It was only 200,000 on total revenue.

Oh, sorry. I'm not asking about currency. I'm just asking about the, I'm just using that as like the frame of if total revenue was down six, seven, what did the heritage corporate grow at? What did the heritage net centric grow at? And what did the acquired revenue shrink?

Yeah. So we basically had three, buckets of intentional shrinkage the first being the elimination of non-core services and you know we're probably three quarters of the way through those non-core services going away we would have liked them all to go away day one two we've had low margin off-net services that we are grooming. Those are continuing to be groomed, but we're probably again 50% of the way through what we can groom. Third, we had this extraordinary situation, and it was larger than any of the others, but there are some kind of bad deals that we inherited after Sprint had been in business for 40 years that we are trying to unwind. In this particular case, we did take a $3.5 million quarterly sequential revenue hit from getting rid of that deal. And if we looked at the total acquired business of Sprint, It was in decline when we acquired it. Cogent was growing. The combined company is growing due to, as you phrased it, the heritage revenue streams. And let's kind of parse those apart. There was no heritage enterprise revenue, so there's nothing to talk about there. The current enterprise business, absent this one tripartite termination, actually grew sequentially, which actually a little surprising to us. Some of that is because we've been able to implement some pricing discipline around the remaining services, and we've got better discipline as we've been selling new services. The kind of core cogent, you know, corporate business, absent these two reductions by design, that being low margin off net and non-core, is growing at about a 4% annual growth rate. And that's off of now the included acquired Sprint corporate base for connectivity services. And then finally, on the net-centric business, it is highly volatile. It's dependent on volume seasonality, but it is continuing to grow on a constant currency basis at around 10%. And while we saw a slowdown in traffic growth Last in Q2, in Q3, you saw material reacceleration. And that kind of is back to more historical patterns. But, you know, this goes back to Dave Barton's question. Is the internet peak and starting to decline? I can pretty comfortably say no.

Thanks. And on the cost of service, What's the right run rate level when you take out all of the noise that you described over the course of this call?

It's probably more in line with what we did in Q2 and continuing to decline. But there is no noise associated with terminating certain contracts. and the overall trend should allow us to grow EBITDA. You know, the previous quarter, almost all of the EBITDA growth came from COGS reductions in Q2. In Q3, they came more from SG&A reductions, and there is noise, but I think the COGS line should look more like it did in q2 than in q3 this was a very unusual set of cost of goods sold on this buyout on the demo work there is going to be some of that in q4 but it should kind of i think be substantially complete by then and therefore won't show up in cost of goods sold the monies that we do put into the wholesale data center space would exclusively hit CapEx at that point.

And when you take a look at capital allocation in total, do you have, and you look at the possibilities for asset modernization that you mentioned during this call and in past calls, do you have a target dollar number by a certain target date, which is giving you some comfort in the way that you're going to manage the capital allocation over a multi-year period of time?

Yeah, so I think we have comfort in two dimensions, Mike. One, our ability to organically grow our EBITDA absent the subsidy payment stream from T-Mobile. and be able to grow that at a sufficient rate that we will be able to return more capital. We did buybacks in Q2 as well as dividends, and do that even with a higher interest rate environment, as Walt pointed out. That may result in an equal or higher gross leverage but a reduction in net leverage. And then we do see these three buckets of assets that will potentially be monetized. If I had to stack rank them today, I would say the data centers are the most probable. The IPV4 or the second most probable in the dark fiber, the lowest probability just because we've had very little experience. We did one dark fiber sale in the quarter. It was actually to a customer as more of a favor than it was that we were trying to productize it. But we have had a fairly large number of inbounds around monetizing those, just as we had on the data centers. You know, for me to have a specific date and a specific dollar amount I think there's just too many permutations to put that in front of investors, but I feel comfortable that we will get added benefit in delivering beyond growth and EBITDA from the monetization of these other assets.

David, thanks for the help. Hey, thanks, Mike.

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Nick Belldale. The line's open.

Hey, thanks, guys. Dave, you said that the number of switch sites that you're planning to convert into data centers has increased. I think you gave a number earlier in the call. I guess, can you split out how that breaks out between retail sites you're planning to hang on to versus larger locations that you're looking to sell or engage in a long-term lease with? Both in terms of the number of locations and the number of protected megawatts. I think I'm most interested in the sites you think you can sell or lease on a wholesale basis, which I think had been 88 protected megawatts across 21 facilities previously.

And you are correct on both the megawatts and number of sites that we think are suitable for wholesale monetization. That is 21 of the 48 total sites that we are converting to data centers, and it is 88 of the protected megawatts out of the 169 that we have today. And there are still a few more centers that have not yet even been converted to offer retail services so the number of centers will go up probably by about five and the number of megawatts may go up by another 10 or so from where we're at today but we only see 21 of them as good candidates now our view is that you know the market will tell us more than what we think and if a particular counterparty comes by and says we just need this facility in this location we didn't think it was one that we would monetize through either wholesale or outright sale everything's for sale at the end of the day okay okay that's helpful um and i thought it was interesting that you noted there was more interest in you know long-term leases rather than outright sales for the larger facilities

I guess if that plays out, would you then be inclined to sell the stabilized leased facilities, maybe the buyers looking for those sorts of income streams? I'm just kind of thinking about whether Cogent would fetch an appropriate market multiple for that income stream if it's buried into the rest of the business or if it's best to be held outside of the REIT structure.

Yeah. And the answer is we would evaluate that at that time. I think there might be an intermediate step if that, in fact, turns out the way that these facilities get monetized, which is you then do a specific securitization against that stream of revenue and unlock some liquidity and cash that way, and then potentially sell that business with a portable capital structure and a, you know, ability for the new owner to get a higher valuation.

Okay, okay. And then, you know, last one, you have to think about the WAVES opportunity. You've talked quite a bit about the number of data centers you're going to have enabled and network work that you're undertaking to get things where you need them to be. I guess think about the other building blocks that go into – being able to sell waves at the cadence that you want to achieve. Do you feel like the sales force is appropriately trained and ready to go when you decide to press the button? Have the test installations you've done been providing results consistent with the provisioning timeframes you've laid out and so on? Just want to make sure that every building block of that business is settling into where it needs to be.

Yeah, and I think in looking at those building blocks, everything starts with the sales force. We have conducted multiple trainings and certification for the 279 net centric salespeople. Now, not every one of them has sold a wave yet, but we've got a little over 1000 waves sold, but It's not by one or two reps. It is fairly broad across the organization. We have developed online training manuals. We have our regional learning managers that do supplemental work and we work with transponder vendors to hold teachings and tutorials. So the CRM system. is today completely integrated with the wave design tool. So the rep, without engaging a sales engineer, gets a map with one meter accuracy latency down to one hundredth of a millisecond contractual accuracy. And, you know, we feel that we can generate contracts and deliver all the documentation quickly. The second piece is our service delivery organization. We have developed tools there. We have been able to provision waves in test cases, only a few, because not all of the sites that were necessary for all of the waves could, but we have had some waves provision in a couple of weeks, which is our ultimate target. So we feel pretty comfortable that the service delivery process toolkit and staffing should allow us to do that. The building block of the network is dependent on the endpoints and the intermediate points. We would not have diverted people to sell some dark fiber and to even install the waves we did in the quarter if we thought we jeopardized the goal of being fully wave enabled across the entire 800 North American locations by quarters. And so I feel that the network will be there. The service delivery team will be there and the sales team will be there to deliver it. But ultimately, what we have to do is build confidence with customers. And that's probably the most important of the building blocks. And the way you do that, actually deliver what you say you're going to deliver without a problem. And then the customer comes back. It's exactly how we built our credibility in IP, and it's how we're going to do it in the wavelength market.

All right. Great. Thank you, Dave. Hey, thanks, Nick. Thank you.

Our next question comes from the line of Tim Ferentz. The line's open.

Thanks, guys. Three questions. Dave, there's kind of a feeding frenzy for data center capacity at the moment. It looks like we're a good chance of running out of capacity in the next year or so. So what dictates the timing of you announcing a sale or a lease of the capacity? And do you have any customers that want to buy the whole portfolio at this point? And then secondly, I know you don't give much guidance, but can you give us a range of EBITDA margins for next year, given all the moving parts, and maybe just update again, thinking in five years? And then lastly, can you just remind us, when was the timing that you increased the IPV for pricing and how much, and can you do so next year? Thank you.

Yeah. So I'll take each of those questions. There are several counterparties. who are interested in the entire portfolio. We are not certain that is the highest and best type of transaction to enter into. It may be. We're not initially contemplating this. You are correct. The market is continuing to tighten as there is more demand for power than can be met in a timely manner. Over time, there will be no power shortage, but that's a multi-year cycle. We have power available today. We've got to get these facilities ready. I think, you know, we hope, you know, sometime in the next couple of quarters, we'll be far enough along that we'll have deals that we can announce. But, you know, Part of it's on us to get the work done. Part of it is on the market to pay us what we think is a fair price. In terms of EBITDA, we don't give quarterly guidance. So I want to be clear there. But we also are understand that kind of the rate of improvement and underlying EBITDA that we demonstrated over the last couple of quarters is a cadence that investors should expect so our improvement in EBITDA as adjusted will lap the differential in payments from T-Mobile and therefore will be on a more clean basis. So the $25 million that we received in that IP transit payment this quarter will continue for the next nine quarters, and then the underlying EBITDA should probably continue to improve at 200 to 300 basis points a quarter as we continue to achieve these cost savings. And then on the IPV for pricing, it was a two step effort. The first step was raising prices of early summer on the new sales. And then second, taking 25% of the installed base and raising prices. We did that in September. We will also probably by year end go through and raise prices on another significant portion of the installed base. There is very little of that base that has contractual protections against our ability to do that. So, you know, I think there will be more growth in IP leasing revenue The 11.8% sequential growth that we've demonstrated this quarter, I think, is pretty significant and should continue. And going back to Walt's question, it just gives us another tool if we choose to use ABS as a way to monetize it.

Very helpful. Just back to the data centers. I mean, if you got your asking price and someone wanted all of it, And they wanted to kind of customize it because obviously if you're going to do liquid cooling, you know, things are going to look quite different, you know, than what you have right now or some other customization that they might want. I mean, could we hear, I guess, something, you know, sooner, maybe in the next couple of months instead of the next few quarters?

Yes. So at least a couple of the counterparties we're talking to are planning liquid immersion and containment pods for their cooling needs. And it is one of the feedbacks that we have taken into consideration as we think about the highest and best value. And we're making sure that our HVAC systems can support that. In terms of timing, there's not a single facility today that someone could come in and stack servers and start training in. But there are a handful of the 21 facilities that are getting very close. You and Nick both had opportunities to go and tour some of these facilities, and you picked them at random. They're actually, both of you went to facilities I've never been to. I get pictures on a weekly basis, but, you know, I think they're fairly typical, and I think while there's a lot of potential, there is still work to be done in each of these facilities.

Thank you.

Thanks.

Thank you. Seeing as there are no more questions in the queue, that concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn the call over to our chairman and CEO, Mr. Dave Schaefer, for closing remarks.

Well, thank you all very much. I even got a compliment from Walt on shortening the script, so that's worth something. I want to thank everyone. Take care, and we'll talk soon. Thank you. Bye-bye.

The meeting has now concluded. Thank you all for joining and have a pleasant day. You may now disconnect.