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Operator
Good day and welcome to the SEVA Inc. Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please note today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Richard Kingston, Vice President, Market Intelligence, Investor and Public Relations. Please go ahead.
Richard Kingston
Thank you, Rocco. Good morning, everyone, and welcome to SEVA's third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Joining me today on the call are Amir Panoush, SEVA CEO, and Yaniv Ariyeli, SEVA CFO. Before handing over to Amir, I would like to remind everyone that today's discussions contain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, as well as assumptions that if they materialize or prove incorrect, could cause the results of SEVA to differ materially from those expressed or implied by such forward-looking statements and assumptions. Forward-looking statements include statements regarding the benefits and future financial impacts of the divestment of the intrinsic business and related refocusing our core strengths of IP development and licensing, market trends and dynamics, our market position, strategy and growth drivers, including with respect to Wi-Fi 7, demand for and benefits of our technologies, plans with respect to SEVA's share repurchase program, and expectations and financial guidance regarding future performance. SEVA assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements or information which speak as of their respective dates. In addition, following the divestment of Intrinsic's business to Cadence, financial results from Intrinsic's were transitioned to discontinued operations beginning in the third quarter of 2023, and all prior period financial results have been recast accordingly. We will also be discussing certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide a more meaningful analysis of our core operating results and comparison of quarterly results. A reconciliation of non-GAAP financial measures is included in the earnings release we issued this morning and in the SEC filing section of our investor relations website at investors.ceva-dsp.com. With that said, I'd like to turn the call over to Amir, who will review our business performance for the quarter and provide some insight into our ongoing business. Amir?
Rocco
Thank you, Richard. Welcome, everyone, and thank you for joining us today. Before I begin, I would like to address the situation in Israel following the horrifying attacks that took place a month ago. This has been an extremely difficult and heartbreaking time for all of us. and I would like to thank the many of you who have reached out to us for your support. Our priority at this time has been for the safety and well-being of our employees and their families, and we are doing everything we can do to ensure we provide them with the support they need. In the midst of these adversities, our operation in Israel remains largely unaffected, and we continue to drive our business and support our customers globally. I want to thank our employees in Israel and abroad for all their efforts during this difficult time. Turning our attention to the business, since being appointed CEO of SIVA at the beginning of the year, I have emphasized our need to focus our efforts on our key IP pillars, where we have built strong leadership with differentiated offerings and that are best suited to drive scale and synergies across our technologies globally. In the quarter, we took an important step in this strategy with our decision to strategically exit the U.S. aerospace and defense design services industry and divest the intrinsics business. When we acquired the intrinsics business in 2021, our thesis was that it would help increase our presence in the U.S. aerospace and defense industry and expand our offering to co-create IP SOC designs leveraging the intrinsic team. However, what became clear to me after joining is that the A&D industry doesn't offer product volumes that align with the IP royalty business model. And while the Intrinsic team has a legacy in the US aerospace and defense design service capabilities, these were not applicable to our global customer base. The sale of Intrinsic to Cadence closed on October 2nd. For reference, in the first three quarters of 2023, Intrinsic contributed just shy of 10% of overall combined revenues, lower than our internal plan and with lower margins and lack of profitability compared to our core business. We expected the investments of Intrinsic to be accretive for us from day one and return us to the 90% gross margins moving forward. Moreover, these investments will allow us to drive stronger focus on our key strengths namely wireless communications, edge AI, and sensing software IP. Yaniv will elaborate on the financial impacts of the divestment in his section shortly. Deposits from the cells will serve to help us to invest in our future growth, reinforce our leadership position as the world's number one supplier of wireless communication IPs. and pursue the compelling opportunity we see in Edge AI for our DSP and NPU platforms and sensing software IPs. I want to emphasize also that we will continue to offer system design support to customers globally that wish to customize our IPs for their projects as we still see strong demand for chip design expertise from our OEM customers in particular. But we will not focus on a service-only type business model. Turning to our earnings, we deliver solid results with recovery in our IP licensing business, and if not, our deal pipeline is the strongest it has been this year. In royalties, we are encouraged by the second sequential quarter of royalty growth, shipping in half a billion SIVA power devices. This robust level of SIVA power achievement is very encouraging. Its indicator is the strength of our customer base in winning business and taking advantage of the consumer demand recovery during the quarter. Moving on to our licensing and royalty business performance in the quarter. We signed 13 new licensing deals in the third quarter with exceptional demand and contribution from our wireless communications IP portfolio, where our leadership position is unrivaled in the industry. Recently, we reached the important milestone of passing $100 million in licensing revenues for our Bluetooth portfolio since it became a mature product. We added another nine licensing agreements for our Bluetooth IP this quarter alone. Three of these customers also licensed our Wi-Fi IPs to develop wireless combo chips. One of them licensed our new Wi-Fi 7 IP for AccessPoint, which carries a substantial ASP app fleet over the current generation Wi-Fi 6 IP, both for licensing and royalty. Wi-Fi 7 possesses a significant opportunity for us, with ABI research focusing and device shipments of Wi-Fi 7 chipsets to grow at a CAGR of 75% from 2023 to 2028, and to more than 1.5 billion units annually. We have close to 40 Wi-Fi 6 licensing to date We are the de facto IP vendor for Wi-Fi in the industry. Each generation of Wi-Fi becomes even more complex for chip designers. And our ability to have leading edge Wi-Fi IP available in the same timeframe as the Wi-Fi standard is ratified means that we can enable our customers to get to market rapidly with lower risk and more cost effectively. When you add in the fact that we can also provide the latest generation Bluetooth IP that is required in almost every use case today, not to mention our UWB and cellular IoT IPs, our value proposition around wireless communication is exceptional. There is only a handful of companies in the world today that have a leading-edge wireless portfolio as comprehensive as ours, and we are the only IP company amongst the leaders. We are investing to expand our leadership and ensure our customers always receive the best-in-class, latest standards IP to integrate connectivity into their chip designs. We expect 2024 Wi-Fi licensing to be driven by Wi-Fi 7 demand, while Wi-Fi 6 royalties will experience meaningful growth in tandem. We will provide more color around our Wi-Fi 6 and Wi-Fi 7 status and opportunities on our upcoming investor day scheduled for December 6th in New York City. The other two Wi-Fi combo deals signed in the quarter were for Wi-Fi 6 for smart edge devices. One was with a leading platform OEM in the electronic maker community whose devices are widely used in education and prototyping who is expanding his offering by integrating Wi-Fi 6 and Bluetooth. And the second deal was with a major designer and manufacturer of embedded systems. Other notable deals concluded in the quarter included new agreements for our leading edge Bluetooth IP with a global OEM leader in hearing care solutions, and with a leading player for hearables and wearables intelligent chips, and a deal for our DSP targeting the high-growth satellite communications market. Now on the royalties. We reported the second highest volume of civil power device shipments for any quarter in the company history, driven by recovery in consumer demand. As evidenced from the strength of our wireless communications licensing business in the past few years, wireless chips continue to lead the way in terms of device shipments with Bluetooth chips in the quarter surpassing 300 million units and cellular IoT shipments at an all-time high of more than 35 million units. An area of softness in the quarter was wireless infrastructure, where our main customers for 5G RAN reported weaker than anticipated 5G networks builds. For our sensing and AI technologies, shipments of TVs, PCs, and smart edge devices grew sequentially, including good traction for our audio technologies. To conclude, our business performed solidly in the third quarter, and we are encouraged by the healthy licensing pipeline that we are building for this quarter and beyond. In royalties, the half a billion devices shipped in the quarter powered by our IP reflects the ability of our strong customer base to win business and take advantage of the consumer demand recovery. With the sale of Intrinsics, we have taken an important step which will allow us to fully focus on our core strengths of IP development and licensing, which is where we see the greatest opportunities for growth and value creation for our investors. In addition, reinforcing shareholder value, the Board of Directors decided to increase our existing 10b-18 repurchase program by an additional 700,000 shares. Finally, we recently established a corporate strategy function at SIVA and appointed Iri Tranchinsky as our chief strategy officer. Iri is a result-driven semiconductor and technology executive, and his experience and knowledge gained from more than 20 years in the semiconductor industry will be instrumental in defining our future strategy and help drive long-term growth. I look forward to seeing many of you at our Investor Day in New York on December 6th. where we will plan to share our strategy and vision for SEVA and outline the growth drivers and opportunities in the years ahead. Now, let me turn over the call to Yaniv, who will review our third quarter financial results and provide fourth quarter and 2024 guidance.
Richard
Thank you, Amir, and good day to all. Before I start reviewing the results of our operations for the third quarter of 2023, I want to explain that revenues Cost of goods and operating expenses for the third quarter do not include intrinsic numbers reflecting the intrinsic business as a held for sale discontinued operation unless otherwise noted. Revenue for the third quarter was $24.1 million as compared to $30 million for the same quarter last year. The revenue breakdown is as follows. Licensing and related revenue reflecting 58% of total revenues were $13.9 million as compared to $18.7 million for the third quarter of 2022, but up 3% sequentially. Realty revenue reflecting 42% of total revenues was at $10.1 million as compared to $11.4 million for the same quarter last year. However, this is the second sequential increase from the first quarter and second quarters of 2023. This supports the recovery we have seen in handsets and general IoT product demand in the third quarter. Quarterly gross margin on SEVA standalone basis without the discontinued operation came in at 90% on GAAP and 92% on non-GAAP basis, due to the lower service-related expenses. Non-GAAP quarterly gross margin excluded equity-based compensation expenses of $0.2 million and the amortization of acquired intangible of $0.1 million. Total GAAP operating expenses for the third quarter was $24.4 million, lower than our guidance because of the exclusion of the intrinsic business costs actions taken by management to reduce costs, and lower employee-related expenses. Our total non-GAAP operating expense for the third quarter, excluding equity-based compensation expenses and amortizations of intangibles, were $20.4 million, also below the low range of our guidance, due to the same reasons I just explained. Gap operating loss for the third quarter was $2.7 million, up from gap operating loss of $2.4 million in the same quarter a year ago. Gap quarterly loss included equity-based compensation dollars, the amortization of acquired intangibles of $0.3 million, and $0.1 million of costs associated with deal costs. Non-GAAP operating income was $1.6 million compared to operating income of $7.3 million the same period a year ago. GAAP and non-GAAP tax expenses, $1.1 million was recorded, mainly associated with the withholding tax deducted by our customers that could not be utilized and were expensed. The net loss for the continuing operation was $2.7 million, and non-GAAP non-income was 1.4. GAAP net loss for the discontinued operations of intrinsics was $2.2 million, and non-GAAP net loss of $1 million. Overall GAAP loss was $5 million in diluted EPS of 21 cents for the third quarter of this year, as compared to a net loss of $22.3 million and diluted loss per share of 96 cents for the third quarter of 2022. And our overall non-GAAP net income was $0.4 million and diluted earnings per share was 2 cents for the third quarter of 2023 as compared to a net income of 4.7 million and diluted earnings per share of 20 cents in the third quarter of last year. With respect to other related data, Shipped units by SEVA licensees during the third quarter of 2023 were 500 million units, our second highest quarter shipments on record. Up 35% sequentially compared to the second quarter of 2023, of which we reported 370 million units, and up 40% year-over-year from 357 million units. Of the 500 million units reported, 79 million units or 16% were for handset baseband, similar shipment volume to the second quarter. Our base station and IOT product shipments were 421 million units, up 45% sequentially from 291 million for the second quarter of this year, and up 51% year over year from 279 million units a year ago. Bluetooth shipments were 313 million units for the quarter as compared to 210 million units for the second quarter of last year. As many of our customers experience strong sales resulting from consumer demand recovery for devices such as TWS earbuds, smartwatches, and across consumer IoT in general. Wi-Fi shipments were 24 million units as compared to 29 million units in the second quarter, and we are encouraged to see the number of Wi-Fi 6 customers continue to ramp up their production targeting IoT and smart home with the transitional to the Wi-Fi 6 standard is imminent. Cellular IOT shipments were a record of 35 million units in the quarter as compared to 21 million units in the second quarter. This increase reflects that the market is becoming mature and the technology is making its way to more end products and consumer and industrial use cases. Other shipments under the base station IOT umbrella totaled 49 million units in the quarter This includes our sensor fusion, computer vision, AI, audio, 5G brand, and DSPs for non-cellular communication, such as V2X or vehicle-to-anything, smart meters, satellites, and drones. As for the balance sheet items, at the end of the third quarter, our cash equivalent, balances, marketable securities, and cash deposits were approximately $132 million. In the third quarter, we continued our buyback program by repurchasing approximately 135 million shares for approximately $3 million. Yesterday, our board of directors authorized a new increase of 700,000 shares to the existing 10b-118 repurchase program. As of today, Around 844,000 shares are available for repurchase. Giving effect to this expansion, we believe in our future business prospects and plan to take advantage of the program to increase shareholders' value. Our DSOs for the third quarter were 31 days below our norm and better than the second quarter, 47 days. During the third quarter, we used $1.3 million cash from operating activities. Ongoing depreciation and amortization was $1.1 million, and purchase of fixed assets was $0.9 million. The end of the third quarter, our headcount was 476 people, including intrinsic employees, of whom 391 were engineers, compared to 497 people at the end of the second quarter. Now, turning to our outlook. SIVA, post divesting its intrinsic AMD service business, will be able to present gap, non-gap, accretive financials for 2023, compared to its previous consolidated financials and excluding the ongoing losses from its discontinued operation. Our gross margin will increase and get back to the 90-ish percentage level. Cost of revenues and OPEX will also decrease, respectively. Overall, we are actively on measures to reduce overall headcount and expenses and monitor them closely in parallel to investing, enhancing, marketing, and licensing of our technologies. Our licensing-related revenue business, as shown, is improvement in the third quarter. And we see a promising pipeline ahead of us for wireless connectivity and sensing AI technologies. In royalties, we anticipate consumer products and low-cost smartphone to maintain demand ahead of the upcoming holiday season and we'll continue to monitor the 5G base station RAN market for any improvements. All in all, we expect fourth quarter overall revenue to be in the 23.3 million to 25.3 million range. Looking ahead into next year, 2024, and considering that the investment in the intrinsic service business we would use the basis of the fourth water guidance for modeling 2024 with potential revenue growth as the year progresses. Gross margin are forecasted to be the 90-ish percent level. In overall, non-GAAP OPEX and cost of goods together, meaning all annual expense combined, is forecasted at this stage to be flattish with 2023. Combining these, we expect operating leverage to improve over 2023, and we'll provide more detailed guidance for 2024 at our next earnings call. Specifically for the fourth quarter, gross margin is expected to be approximately 90% on gap basis and 92% on non-gap basis, excluding the aggregate of $0.2 million of equity-based compensation expenses and $0.1 million of amortization of acquired intangibles. OPEX for the fourth quarter is expected to be slightly higher compared to the third quarter due to G&A, professional costs, and employee-related benefits, and in the range of $24.2 to $25.2 million. including an expense expected $4.2 million equity-based compensation expenses, $0.3 million for amortization of acquired intangible. Our non-GAAP OPEX is also expected to be slightly higher than the third quarter for the reasons I just explained and in the range of $20.1 to $20.1 million. I want to emphasize that overall expenses for SEVA post the divestment of intrinsics are forecasted to continue and remain at the lower expense level as we look closely at cost measures. Income is expected to be approximately $1.1 million, interest income. Taxes for the fourth quarter is expected to be approximately $1.4 million, derived mainly with withholding tax of new deals signed and reported royalties for the quarter and the share count for the fourth quarter is expected to be at 25.1 million shares. Rocco, you could now open the Q&A session, please.
Operator
Yes, sir. If you would like to ask a question, please press star then one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to remove yourself from queue, please press star then two. Once again, ladies and gentlemen, that's star then one if you have a question. Today's first question comes from Kevin Cassidy at Rosenblatt Securities. Please go ahead.
Kevin Cassidy
Yeah, thanks for taking my question and congratulations on a good quarter in the tough market. And, you know, what we're hearing through the earnings period is a lot of slowing in demand from the IoT market. But, you know, here you are saying you're shipping the second highest units in the company history. Can you explain why you're outperforming these markets?
Rocco
Yeah, definitely. I would say several things related to that. One is that overall, we have really progressed well with our basically licensing of our Bluetooth and Wi-Fi and other wireless connectivity technology. So we have larger and larger customer base that are basically keep ramping their volume. So that provides us the tailwind to keep increasing the volume. But also we believe that our customer base, generally speaking on average, are doing better than the rest of the market. They are positioned more competitively and are able to gain market share. So that's overall for the phenomenon of this quarter, I would say. And there is talking that has happened in this quarter as well.
Kevin Cassidy
Okay, great. And maybe as a follow-up, just on your licensing business, can you say how much the U.S. sanctions could be hurting your licensing deals in China?
Richard
So for now, they have not. They have not for two main reasons. One is the end markets. We target the consumer market mainly, automotive, industrial, medical, and less of supercomputers, no business with the fab industry and building fabs. and no business in supercomputers. So most of the sanctions are targeting those markets. If you look at some of the other players in the EDA and the IP space, they're similar to ours. They're saying more or less the same things at this time. And for the time being, China is still an important market for us. It's a big market for us. And we haven't seen any specific restrictions for the markets and the technologies that we play in.
Rocco
And to add on that, we have really built a very good incumbency with our technology and previous licensing. We have a very broad customer base in the consumer markets in China. And actually, we see those customers coming back after very good support and very competitive technology, asking for either an upgrade of this type of technology to the next, basically, standard or the next step in technology, or asking for additional technology that previously we haven't provided them. As I shared previously, like some of our Bluetooth customers asking for Wi-Fi, we see then some of them asking for UWB, and then for AI capabilities and other type of technology that we can offer. Okay, great. Thank you. Thank you, Kevin.
Operator
And our next question today comes from Chris Reimer with Barclays. Please go ahead.
Chris Reimer
Hi, thanks for taking my questions. You mentioned the gross margin benefit from the sale of intrinsics and a bit of reduction in cost, relatively speaking. Can you give a little color on what other benefits you might be seeing in terms of changing the business in terms of sales and marketing, in terms of headcount that might change also because of the discontinued business?
Richard
Yeah, of course. I mean, it's a completely different business model with a completely different customer base. Amir talked in the prepared remarks about what drove us to get into that, both the U.S. market and the size of the customers in that space. But the lead times to close the deal with A&D is a very long process. Getting new technologies or a new product developed agreed upon and then getting it funded through Washington is a long, long process. And it's completely different than the lead time to license the Bluetooth or Wi-Fi or a modem for us that we just talked about and mentioned, the different markets and different technologies. So first, the design cycle is shorter than the design itself. And of course, the end market is high volume compared to the AMD that is a very lucrative and high-end market, but the volumes there for royalties as our business is the core business as an IP licensing and royalty business, that is something that we haven't seen and doesn't exist in the service business. So from all of the different businesses together with the fact that if you have services, you record those cost of services and the cost of goods, and that reduces the margins of an IP business is now back to the 90%, that's probably the combination, lead time, customer base, the magnitude of royalties that we could generate from our existing customers and new ones in our space is a few of the benefits that I could highlight. Amir, anything?
Rocco
I would say overall the IP business model is much more leverageable. And with that, we can drive also better gross margin. We don't need, basically, to have the people charge into cost of goods sold in order to develop the technology. We are more developing, innovating with R&D to build the IP, and then we leverage that across large number of customers that can also ship in high volume, which is a better, basically, technology for us, has been, and moving forward, even with more focus.
Chris Reimer
Got it. Thanks. And just in relation to the combo deals that you mentioned earlier, is this something that you're pitching as something that's already available together, or is it strictly from a customer perspective? If they want two or three things, then they'll ask for it. I'm just trying to gauge the potential in terms of... Larger sales regarding combo deals, if you can give any color around that and what the potential is there.
Rocco
Sure. It's actually both. We have this quarter three deals like that. We see customer demand going more for different type of combos, specifically more Wi-Fi Bluetooth combo. and but also we organically internally basically developing these technologies and offering at something available to for people to take advantage with fast time to market with the different type of combination of our core wireless technologies between wi-fi bluetooth 15.4 uwb and urban ird i would add to that chris that
Richard
We powered, to remind us all, we powered a billion devices of Bluetooth last year and only about 100 million-ish Wi-Fi. So one of the potentials in royalties is to catch up because Wi-Fi came later to the consumer markets. They were much more focused on their residential enterprise. And today, lots of consumer devices, automotive, almost everything around us has also Wi-Fi and Bluetooth connectivity. And the volume opportunity for us with combo chips and standalone Wi-Fi is a magnitude larger with higher ASP. So that's one of the advantages of these combo deals.
Rocco
It's definitely helped us with both licensing and work is moving forward as a Bluetooth customer asking for combos with Wi-Fi and vice versa.
Chris Reimer
Great. Okay. Thanks, Satish, for me.
Richard
Thank you, Chris. You're welcome.
Operator
And ladies and gentlemen, as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, please press star then 1 on your telephone keypad. Today's next question comes from David O'Connor with BNP Paribas.
David O'Connor
Please go ahead.
David
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. One or two on my side. Maybe firstly, Amir, you talked about the revenue growth as the year progresses in 2024. Can you just give us a sense of what those drivers are, specifically from end markets, as you look into 2024? That's my first question.
Rocco
Yeah, definitely, David. So first, we really established a very strong leadership in wireless communication overall. As we just discussed related to the previous question, We see lots of our customer base that have used our Bluetooth technology or Wi-Fi are coming and asking for the other technologies. We see potential very good increase in UWB activities as well as some in urban IoT. We also see our 5G IoT in terms of the proliferation of 5G outside handsets and micro-based stations with significant opportunities happening in 2024. And last but not least, we have announced this year our new point product for AGI. This product is basically becoming available in the markets. We're engaging with multiple customers in terms of early qualification. And this is a growth engine for us as we go to next year. Overall, I will provide more details and explanation on all that in the coming investor day. And we really like to see everyone and welcome everyone.
David
Thanks for that. And maybe a follow-on just on the Wi-Fi side of things. You know, clearly Bluetooth massively successful. Janine mentioned a billion last year. At kind of what stage or what do we need to happen for kind of Wi-Fi to reach that hockey stick? We're really talking kind of significant upward kind of shipment on the Wi-Fi side of things. Is that... revenue growth you talk about next year, or is that kind of further out to kind of hit those shipments?
Rocco
Yeah, so we started with our Wi-Fi meaningful penetration with Wi-Fi 4 generation, but that was really the early stage of the penetration. The much more successful and board-based penetration came with the transition to Wi-Fi 6, and that's where we really started establishing our de facto leadership as an IP provider. Those licensing activities have been in the last two years, so we're expecting the royalty growth to really pick up nicely in 2024, and then move that into 2025 and 6 even further. So I don't know exactly when the hockey stick will start, but definitely we'll see a meaningful ramp in 2024, and that will continue into the next two years very, very strongly. The number of licensing that we have right now, more than 40, and really across pretty much all the consumer market segments, as well as some automotive and other places. And considering it's across the different configuration of station and access points, with much higher ASP on average than Bluetooth, that will be a very strong growth for us in 2024 and moving forward.
Operator
David, I'm sorry. This is the operator.
David O'Connor
You're breaking up pretty badly, sir. Let me know. A little bit better. Yes, sir. Please proceed.
David
Just one quick one on the M&A, given the intrinsic divestment, any change really on the strategy on the M&A side of things? Thank you.
Rocco
Yeah, David, we will discuss it more on the analyst side, but generally speaking, I would say that my focus with the team is really on IP business model and how we are going to leverage that. We have established in the last several years and more recently very, very well on machines of how to drive good success of licensing and then from their royalty. And we strongly believe that there are out there very good assets related to that business model that we can go and create synergy and long-term success for our companies moving forward. So definitely this is an important priority for me and the team.
David O'Connor
Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.
Operator
And our next question today comes from Suji De Silva with Roth Capital. Please go ahead.
Suji De Silva
Hi, I'm Miriam. I echo my thoughts and hoping you and your family are staying safe. Can you talk about the licensing activity in China, the update there on whether there is a recovery there, a pause, or whether it's tracking as it has in the past?
Rocco
Yeah, I would say that if you compare to last year or during the hype of the COVID, it's definitely slower. And we shared it already last quarter and discussed it to some degree over the last few months. But I would say right now, from our perspective, that has stabilized. We see right now the demand stabilizing. As I mentioned, we really have a strong incumbency of customer base. And we see a strong demand from there to basically go to the next generation to add more technologies. And investments in China, while it slowed down versus last year, overall now it has stabilized. And companies are coming back to basically go to the next product that they want to deliver to markets and go and ask for the IP that they need. We also see in China the demand for not only connectivity, but also for AGI and other technologies that we have. So overall, it has stabilized, and we have an opportunity to create growth as we go and progress in 2024. Okay, very helpful.
Suji De Silva
And then, I apologize if we already discussed this sometime late, but the wireless infrastructure opportunity, are there any tailwind opportunities in the calendar 2024? That market's a little bit softer now in the demand perspective, but curious if that can recur and kind of revisit that in the calendar 24 timeframe. The what market again, Sujin? Wireless infrastructure, sorry.
Richard
Yeah, you know, this is a market that for years we've monitored. We have two of the biggest players in that industry. And that market is driven by orders and operators' demand of networks in a certain town, city, state, country. And it varies. It started off with pretty strong investments in 5G in the last couple of years because of the hype and the demand and the advantages of no latency and much more bandwidth. and recently they realized that there is no new killer 5G application that is needed for 5G networks, and we've seen maybe two quarters or some slowdown, especially in Q3, and we saw the reports by the different players in the industry that the demand has softened, with also different comments that it may be ramping up again, to a better extent than Q4. So it was never a seasonal market. It was never a cyclical market. It was based on demands. Every time or every year, it could be a different quarter, but we had a very strong peak, and we talked about the strong deployment of 5G base stations. Q3 was muted this year compared to Q3 last year, by the way. That was super strong. And it could change a quarter after, because there's still deployment of 5G worldwide for different use cases. We're not talking just macro-based station, but also small cells. And the market is there, the needs are there, but it varies from quarter to quarter and from operator to operator. And Q3 was very muted. And we hope that Q4 could be more and stronger. And we have other 5G players that not just in the baseband market that Amir also talked about in licensing, that will start contributing royalties going forward.
Rocco
Thanks, Amir. On an annual basis comparison, definitely we see a potential for growth in 2024. One that has been very muted this year, second, As Yannick mentioned, we have more customers that are going to ramp in 2024 outside the micro-based stations for 5G IoT technologies. Okay. Thanks, everybody. Thank you. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, this concludes our question and answer session. I'd like to turn the conference back over to Richard Kingston for closing remarks.
Richard Kingston
Thank you, Rocco, and thank you everyone for joining us today and for your continued interest in SEVA. As a reminder, the prepared remarks for this conference call are filed as an exhibit to the current report on Form 8K and accessible through the investor section of our website. With regards to upcoming events, we will be participating in the following conferences. The Wells Fargo 7th Annual TNT Summit taking place November 29th in Rancho Palo Verdes, California. SIVA is hosting its Investor Day, taking place on December 6th in New York, and all investors are welcome to attend in person or via webcast. And finally, we'll be attending the Oppenheimer 4th Annual 5G Summit, taking place virtually on December 11th. Further information on these events and all events we will be participating in can be found on the investor section of our website. Thank you and goodbye.
Operator
Thank you, sir. This concludes today's conference call. We thank you all for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect your lines and have a wonderful day.
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