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spk08: Good morning. My name is Anas, and I'll be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome you to Canopy's Growth Third Quarter and Fiscal Year 2022 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. I will now turn the call over to Tyler Burns, Director, Investor Relations. Tyler, you may begin the conference call.
spk13: Thank you, operator. Good morning. Thank you all for joining us today. On our call, we have Canopy Growth Chief Executive Officer David Klein and Chief Financial Officer Judy Hong. Before financial markets opened today, Canopy issued a news release announcing our fiscal results for the fourth quarter and full fiscal year ended March 31st, 2022. This news release is available on our website under the Investors tab and will be filed on EDGAR and CDAR. We have also posted a supplemental earnings presentation on our website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that our discussion during this call will include forward-looking statements that are based on management's current views and assumptions, and that this discussion is qualified in its entirety by the cautionary note regarding forward-looking statements included at the end of this morning's news release. Please review today's earnings release and Canopy's reports, followed with the SEC and on CDAR, for various factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from projections. In addition, reconciliations between any non-GAAP measures to their closest reported GAAP measure are included in our earnings release. Please note that all financial information is provided in Canadian dollars unless otherwise noted. Following prepared remarks by David and Judy, we will conduct a question and answer session where we will first address questions upvoted by verified shareholders using the Say Technologies platform. Following that, we will take questions from analysts To ensure that we get to as many analyst questions as possible, we ask that they limit themselves to one question. With that, I will turn the call over to David. David, please go ahead.
spk15: Thank you, Tyler, and good morning, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. Today, I'll outline Canopy's strategy and the foundation we've built over the past fiscal year, along with the key accomplishments in fiscal 22, which support our fiscal 23 priorities. Judy will then discuss Canopy's Q4 and fiscal 22 results and provide greater detail on our ongoing work to accelerate our path to profitability. In fiscal 22, we build a solid foundation for growth and clearly defined how Canopy will realize the massive opportunity ahead of us, not only as a company, but as part of a developing industry. Canopy's growth is a premium, Canopy growth is a premium branded North American cannabis company with a fairly simple strategy. We're focused on building beloved brands in markets and categories that will drive growth for the industry with strong routes to market that meet our consumers where they prefer to purchase, underpin with operational excellence. In fiscal 22, three distinct work streams were completed to build this foundation. First, we premiumized our cannabis branded portfolio in Canada. Second, we strengthened distribution of our high-performance CPG brands in the U.S., And third, we took concrete actions to build a competitive U.S. THC ecosystem. As it relates to premiumizing our Canadian cannabis brand portfolio, we maintained the number one market leadership position in premium flower in Canada. And through upgrades to our cultivation processes and facilities, we're consistently producing premium and mainstream flower with attributes that consumers demand. Our share of mainstream flower nearly doubled. a direct reflection of our focus on premium cultivation trickling down to our mainstream offerings. We bolstered our premium cannabis portfolio by expanding Doja, the best of the West Coast, into a truly national brand by bringing new flour, pre-rolled joint, and live resin vape products to consumers across Canada. Seven Acres continued to innovate and deliver industry-leading premium flour and infused pre-rolled joints, which we've highlighted through the Know to Grow series, providing an inside look at the talent, genetics, and grow techniques behind the brand and flower portfolio, highlighting the Seven Acres facility. In addition, we rebranded our iconic tweed brand, which coincided with new tweed flower and pre-rolled joints that have drawn very positive consumer feedback. The new look made formats and strains easier to identify for consumers, and new flower packaging was designed to preserve freshness. We're also ensuring Canopy has a strong roadmap of new genetics supported by exclusive breeding rights with top craft growers. We've taken best practices from the seven acres facility and implemented hang dry capabilities at our Smith Falls and Mirabelle sites, as well as upgraded feeding systems, air circulation, and humidity control in flower rooms. to consistently grow product with high THC and other in-demand attributes. In the face of a highly competitive Canadian adult use market, we extended our beverage portfolio with Deep Space Lime and Splashdown in Orange Orbit flavors and launched new Tweed Iced Tea and Tweed Fizz Seltzer beverage lines. Strong demand for these new beverages raised Tweed to the number one market share for under five milligram THC beverages, and Deep Space is the fastest growing and number two brand in the over five milligram THC category. We also introduced new gummies under the hero banners of Deep Space, Tweed, and Ace Valley, ranging from 2.5 milligrams to 10 milligrams with rapid onset. We're investing significant resources in our commercial ground game in Canada with higher education, our bud tender engagement program. Bud tenders are critical in guiding consumer purchase decisions. The goal of higher education is to strengthen our relationship with bud tenders through investments in educational resources and dedicated unboxing sessions. To date, we've had close to 4,000 bud tender interactions and have received valuable feedback from this important group. The second set of work we completed in fiscal 22 was the significant strides made to strengthen the distribution of our high-performance CPG brands in the U.S. We're continuing to see strong demand for Storz & Bickel's gold-standard vaporizers, including the new Volcano Onyx and Mighty Plus, which help propel Storz & Bickel to its 22nd consecutive year of revenue growth. Storz & Bickel vaporizers set the industry standard for quality and performance, with strong recognition among connoisseurs and mainstream consumers. In fact, the stores in Bic Almighty was recently highlighted by the New York Times for producing the best tasting vapors of any portable vaporizers they tested. BioSteel saw gains in distribution and sales velocity of the ready-to-drink products, which drove a 50% increase in revenue in fiscal 22 versus fiscal 21. We believe that this challenger brand is quickly turning into a winner as we watch members of Team BioSteel dominate in the playoffs, including Luka Doncic of the Dallas Mavericks, Connor McDavid of the Edmonton Oilers, and Andrew Wiggins with the Golden State Warriors. Lastly, I'm pleased to share the concrete actions completed in fiscal 22 that have built a competitive US THC ecosystem that will provide Canopy with turnkey entry into the US market. Canopy's model is fundamentally different from our competitive set, giving us unique positioning in the US with our THC assets that include Acreage, Juana Brands, Jetty Extracts, and a sizable ownership stake in TerraSend. I want to be clear. We aren't waiting for U.S. legalization to start extracting value from these assets. We've already paid for majority ownership positions in Juana and Jetty, with Acreage and TerraSend offering valuable routes to market. Critically, all these entities are already generating healthy profits. Our U.S. ecosystem has significant room to grow with footprints in large addressable markets. Acreage is well positioned to win in key northeast states such as New York, New Jersey, and Pennsylvania. In fact, both Acreage and Terrasend are benefiting from the recently opened adult-use cannabis market in New Jersey. We have a strong brand portfolio, including Juana, which is the number one cannabis edibles brand in North America. And Jetty, a top 10 cannabis brand in California and a top five brand in the vape category. As a leader in solventless vape technology, Jetty has proven itself in the highly competitive California cannabis market and is primed for rapid national expansion by leveraging Canopy's U.S. ecosystem. Jetty also gives us a critical route to market in California, which will pave the way for our high-impact Canadian brands, such as Deep Space in Tweed. And we're actively working to bring the Jetty brand and its innovative products to the Canadian market. We've seen the success that Juana, a highly respected premium U.S. brand, has had in Canada and look forward to bringing Jetty to consumers north of the border. When you add all these elements together, Canopy is amongst the top five cannabis players across North America. In fact, if you consider Canopy's annual revenue combined with the reported revenue of our USTHC ecosystem of acreage Juana and Jetty, Canopy would generate over a billion dollars in revenue with healthy margins. I firmly believe in the strength and competitive positioning in the US THC ecosystem we're building. Canopy's unique model is poised for rapid growth and emphasis on prioritized markets with fast-growing categories, strong brands, and a balanced operations footprint. Now I'd like to move to the strategic priorities that we focused on that we'll focus on in fiscal 23 that are designed to build on the foundation we built in fiscal 22. Priority one is to continue improving performance of our Canadian cannabis business and achieve profitability as soon as possible. Judy will outline our work on margin improvement as a core element of achieving positive EBITDA, but there are multiple aspects of this effort. We must continue to drive to win in premium categories which support higher margins. We also expect our pipeline of new products coming to market in fiscal 23 will strengthen our competitive positioning and, along with efforts to win the ground game with retailers, will drive market share gains. Our second priority is driving growth of our high-potential CPG brands. We will be making strategic investments in marketing and new product development for our high-growth CPG brands of Storz & Bickel and BioSteel. There's considerable runway for both brands, and investment will be to further build brand awareness and visibility amongst consumers and building a robust distribution pipeline. I'd like to reiterate that Storz & Bickel is already a $100 million brand with attractive margins. And BioSteel is the fastest growing sports hydration drink in North America. And our near-term aspiration is to grow the brand into a top five position as we significantly increase distribution through continued onboarding of major retailers. In USCBD, we await the regulatory unlock required to truly tap this category's potential, and we're adapting our approach by increasing focus on direct-to-consumer e-commerce retail model and select key account partners, an approach that is currently winning with our Martha Stewart CBD brand. While this narrower approach is likely to mean more measured growth for our USCBD business over the medium term, we remain optimistic that following the passage of clear regulations to support a national CBD market, our leading brands are positioned to win. Lastly, we're focused on further strengthening our USTHC ecosystem. We remain firm in our belief that investing in high-quality USTHC assets gets Canopy the competitive positioning that will enable us to win in the largest cannabis market in the world and create significant value over time. We've done this now and not waited for a number of reasons. We believe the components of our ecosystem are highly complementary. Most importantly, we have strong heritage brands that are highly scalable for the large East Coast recreational markets. Working together in the future, these companies will create synergies that will result in significant business growth for our ecosystem, meaning greater shareholder value generated for Canopy. Finally, we continue to benefit from our strategic relationship with Constellation Brands, by leveraging their experience and capabilities to support the continued advancement of our U.S. strategy, specifically in the areas of commercial sales, marketing, and operations. In summary, over the past year, we've taken decisive steps to focus Canopy, aligned our operations with market realities, and succeeded in premiumizing our brand offerings to meet the desires of our consumers and to match our vision for growth. Lastly, we've built and continue to strengthen what we feel is the industry's strongest, fully North American premium branded company. With that, I'll now turn it over to Judy.
spk06: Great. Thank you very much, David, and good morning, everyone. I plan to focus my comments on a quick review of our fourth quarter and fiscal year 2022 results, discuss in detail the actions that we're taking to advance our path to profitability, and provide some perspectives on our fiscal 23 outlook. Let's start with a review of our fourth quarter and our fiscal 22 financial results. In Q4, healthy performance in our CPG business was offset by softness in our Canadian recreational business, and adjusted EBITDA was further impacted by continued gross margin challenges despite a strong operating expense discipline. In Q4, we generated net revenue of $112 million, representing a 25% decline over the prior year. Excluding the impact from acquired businesses and divestiture of C3, net revenue in Q4 declined 26%. Details and drivers of net revenue in Q4 and fiscal 2022 are provided in the press release that we issued earlier today. Let me briefly touch on our Canadian recreational B2B revenue performance. In fiscal 22, we made a deliberate decision to transition our Canadian business to focus on higher margins, mainstream and premium products. We deliberately chose to not chase low margin value flower sales, and for cannabis companies, transitioning your product mix can be challenging. As we continue to focus resources on actively pursuing low margin value flower sales, our Canadian recreational cannabis business would have delivered significantly stronger revenue in fiscal 22, but at the expense of doing what was right, which was putting our Canadian cannabis business on a path to sustainable growth and profitability. I'm pleased that efforts to premiumize our business in Canada drove over 25% revenue growth in our premium brands with strong growth from Doja and Deep Space brands during Q4. We also delivered a positive mix shift with premium and mainstream sales accounting for a combined 56% of Canada recreational B2B sales in Q4 of fiscal 22, up from 32% in Q4 of last year. Turning to gross margins, our reported gross margin in Q4 was negative 142%, and our adjusted gross margin was negative 32%, which excludes the impact of $4 million inventory step-up charges from the Supreme acquisition, as well as the $119 million charge mostly related to inventory write-downs resulting from strategic changes to our business. Now, similar to prior quarters, growth margin in Q4 was further impacted by lower production outputs and price compression in the Canadian recreational business, higher supply chain costs, as well as inventory write-downs. Excluding inventory write-downs and payroll subsidies received from the Canadian government pursuant to a COVID-19 relief program, Q4 adjusted gross margin would have been negative 18%. Adjusted EBITDA in Q4 amounted to a loss of $122 million. I'd like to now take this opportunity to speak to the efforts underway to improve our profitability. As David mentioned, achieving profitability in our Canadian operation is a key priority for us, and we've taken additional steps to improve our gross margins and reduce our SG&A spending. First, on growth margins. Over the past couple of years, we faced three key headwinds for growth margins in Canada. One, lower production output driven by reduced sales put significant burden on our fixed cost structure in our Smith Falls manufacturing facility. Second, a combination of an unfavorable mix and price compression, particularly in our flour business, pressured net revenue and growth margins. And third, we incurred significant non-cash costs that amounted to nearly $120 million in inventory write-downs in fiscal 22, which we did not exclude from our adjusted gross margin as well as adjusted EBITDA, and a $47 million depreciation cost, which is included in our cost of goods sold. When adjusted for non-cash costs and the benefits from payroll subsidies, our cash gross margins in the global cannabis segment is estimated to be at 7% in fiscal 22. We expect our cash growth margins in fiscal 23 to improve significantly versus last year, driven by a few factors. First, our premiumization strategy. We anticipate continuous shifts in our Canadian recreational sales to higher margins, premium and mainstream flour and pre-roll joints, edibles, beverages, and bakes. Second, our cost savings program should drive reduction in our cost of goods sold. Our cultivation productivity initiatives, including improvement in facilities, are expected to lower per gram cultivation costs. We're also reducing indirect fixed costs in our operations as we move to a more flexible manufacturing platform by outsourcing production of certain products. and we've developed a number of productivity initiatives across manufacturing, supply chain, and procurement. In addition, we've improved our demand forecasting process to ensure that we're more agile in adjusting our production to reduce further inventory write-offs. Now, some of these savings are expected to be offset by higher wage inflation and supply chain costs, but we are committed to delivering savings of $30 to $50 million over the next 12 to 18 months and we plan to look for additional opportunities to capture more savings throughout this fiscal year. The other key initiative is reducing our SG&A expenses. During fiscal 22, we incurred $400 million of selling and marketing, G&A, and R&D expenses. Over the past few months, we took a hard look across all of our areas of our SG&A spending with realities that our expense structure was too high to support our near-term revenues. This has resulted in several cost savings initiatives, which we expect will reduce our SG&A expenses by 70 to 100 million over the next 12 to 18 months. Roughly half of the savings is expected to come from reduced headcount across our businesses, as we have further tightened our strategic focus and streamlined our business. The remainder is expected to come from lower professional fees, office costs, insurance fees, and IT costs. Let me now provide some perspectives on our financial outlook. Based on our fiscal 22 results, changes to our business mix due in part to divestiture and continued volatility in the Canadian recreational market, we are removing our medium-term financial targets that were provided in February of 21. We also believe that shifting consumer preferences, low barriers to entry in the Canadian recreational market, and slow regulatory progress across Canada and U.S. make it difficult for us to provide near- to medium-term targets. That said, we expect the execution of our premiumization strategy in Canada, our cost savings initiatives, and growth in biofuel and stores and big goals will, over time, result in strong revenue growth, attractive margin profile, and free cash flow generation that are in line with premium-branded CPG companies. So with that in mind, let me offer some perspectives on our outlook for fiscal 23. First, we expect significant revenue growth from BioSteel as the team drives higher distribution and sales velocity, which is supported by sizable marketing investments in fiscal 23. We expect another year of solid growth from Storrs & Bickel, building on its strong foundation with investments to increase higher awareness. Our Canadian recreational B2B business is expected to show improved performance as it benefits from premiumization strategy and new product launches with the growth weighted towards the second half of the year. Our Europe and rest of the world business is expected to show strong year-over-year growth in medical sales in Germany, Australia, as well as continued opportunistic bulk sales to Israel. Our U.S. CBD business will see a tighter focus against our brand with emphasis on the e-com channel and key direct-to-ship accounts as it will wait for further regulatory progress. From a phasing standpoint, we expect revenue growth on a year-over-year basis to be weighted to the back half, reflecting continuous mix away from value flower that really began in earnest in the second half of last year and the timing of our new product shipments in Canada. Second, We expect fiscal 23 to show significant improvement in our profitability with expectation that this year being a transition year as we work towards profitability. We are already profitable in select areas of our business and we intend to further improve our profitability in SMB and this works in fiscal 23. We're focused on achieving profitability in our Canadian business as soon as possible as we execute against our cost savings program to achieve profitability. During fiscal 23, we intend to make strategic marketing investments in biofields to drive increased velocity, as we've secured a significant number of doors over the past several months. We also plan to make investments in our US THC ecosystem strategy. To be clear, our P&L reflects investments that we're making against the development and execution of our THC strategy in the US, but none of the revenue and profit in our USPAC investments are included in our P&L. We anticipate to achieve positive adjusted EBITDA in fiscal 24 with the exception of strategic investments in BioSteel and advancement of our USPAC strategy. Let me now speak to our cash flow and balance sheet. We anticipate cash interest payments of at least 120 million based on our current debt position in fiscal 23, and our full year CapEx is expected to be in the range of 50 to 60 million. Our balance sheet remains strong with 1.37 billion of cash and short-term investments as of our fiscal year end. We have $2 billion USD of base shelf available to us, as well as additional debt capacity of 500 million USD. Regarding our convertible notes that are set to mature in July of 23, we have several options that we're currently reviewing and will update once we have any news to share. So, we're diligently working to reduce our cash burn through OpEx savings, discipline around CapEx, and other initiatives that we are planning to really look into for fiscal 23. And also, we expect cash proceeds from some of the divestiture of the non-core businesses. In conclusion, achieving profitability is critical for us, and we've undertaken initiatives to streamline and drive additional efficiency for our global cannabis business. And we're focused on executing our path to profitability in Canada while we continue to invest in high potential opportunities, particularly in our bio steel business, and to further develop our USTHC ecosystem. This concludes my prepared comments. We'll now take questions. To begin your Q&A session, we'll first address investor questions that were uploaded through the questions and answer platform developed by Say Technology. Tyler, can you take the first question?
spk13: How do you plan to incentivize shareholders as well as bring in new investors in this volatile market?
spk06: Thank you for the question. So I think the share price declines is really not unique to Canopy. When you look at the share price, performance of the US and Canadian LPs, many of those names are down pretty substantially from a share price standpoint. Now, from Canopy standpoint, we are focused on really controlling what we can control, which is really laying the foundation for long-term sustainable growth and really building a premium branded cannabis company as the market goes through these types of cycles. For investors with long-term focus, We believe that Canopy really represents a compelling value as we do have a unique and compelling strategy to win in the North American cannabis market. And we're really excited to engage and educate many of the current shareholders and as well as new investors going forward.
spk13: Okay. Thank you, Judy. The second question, how is Canopy planning to make a name for itself in the U.S. market?
spk15: Yeah, so as I called out in my script, we're not waiting because we're already doing this. With brands like Juana Edibles, with Jetty Extracts, and along with our MSO partners in Acreage and Terrasen, we already have a sizable and profitable and growing U.S. presence, which would be a player across North American cannabis companies. with that focus on brands as well as premium positioning. So we think that surely, like everyone else, we would benefit from the opening of the U.S. market from a federal permissibility standpoint, but we don't have to wait for that in order to have our businesses work together to create value in that marketplace. As Judy pointed out, the difficult component of this strategy is communicating it because we don't consolidate their results into our results. But for many of these assets, we've paid for them. And so while the cash has left our balance sheet, you're not seeing the P&L and cash flows from those business accrue to us. But, you know, rest assured that they're continuing to grow while the market grows in the U.S. And, you know, the other thing I just want to point out there as well is that we, as well as people in the industry and experts around the industry, continue to believe that the North American cannabis market is in that $60 to $80 billion range at revenue. And that's not the hope that you sometimes see in a nascent industry that consumers are going to adapt the products that you offer in that industry. This is an industry that's what we're looking at is how to shift consumers from the illicit market to the legal market. So I think that the size of the prize in the industry and in the U.S. in particular remains dramatic, and we think we're well-positioned to perform there. Operator Judy and I are now happy to take questions from the analysts.
spk09: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, we will now conduct the question and answer session. If you'd like to ask a question, press star to the number one on your telephone keypad. If you'd like to withdraw your question, press star two. To ensure an efficient call that gets to the questions of as many analysts as possible, analysts are requested to limit themselves to one question. Your first question comes from Vivian Acer with Cohen. Please go ahead.
spk11: Hi, thank you. Good morning. Morning. Morning. So, Judy, I just wanted to follow up on your commentary around the outlook for 23. I appreciate that clearly it will be back half-weighted given the accelerating year-over-year declines that you guys are seeing for the total enterprise and in particular for B2B. But as I look at the B2B segment specifically, it sounds like you guys are making some very specific, painful, but strategic decisions in terms of portfolio mix. But is it reasonable to think that that segment can grow next year on a four-year basis? Thanks.
spk06: Yeah, so Vivian, I'll make a couple of comments and David, you can also chime in as needed. So the first, I think you have to think about the shift that we've made throughout fiscal 22 from a premiumization strategy where when you look at the first half of our last fiscal year, we still have sizable value for our sales that were flowing through our revenue base. So on a year-over-year basis, I would expect that that impact would continue to show up on a year-over-year basis with the value of flower sales really being de-emphasized within our portfolio. I think the good news is on a sequential basis, we're starting to see stabilization even in our overall sales. And I think the other good news is when you look at the market share performance of our premium brands and markets, we really do think the evidence are that those brands are starting to gain traction in the marketplace and showing good momentum with the consumers. When you look at all of the premium segments, including flour, pre-roll joints, and other categories, We are number one in all of the premium segments collectively. So I think we've made really good strides. The premium segment itself is also growing on a year-over-year basis. So we feel pretty confident that as we execute on our premiumization strategy, that the growth of the category, as well as our market share momentum, will mean in the back half that we'll see much improved performance from a Canada WEC B2B perspective.
spk15: The only thing I would add to that, Judy, is I think the key component of being able to win in mainstream and premium is the ability to consistently grow high THC, good terpene profile flour. And we made some decisions during the course of the year to change the way we grow our plants in terms of feeding schedules and irrigation and lighting. We've made adaptations around our post-harvest process in particular in areas like hang dry. We've started to add to our final packaging packets that allow us to retain moisture levels in our finished goods when they're going out to consumers. So we've done all these things so that we can continue to consistently deliver flour in particular for the premium and mainstream segments. And to me, that's been the biggest issue, not just for us, but for many of the LPs over the last couple of years, is the ability to consistently remain on the shelf with the right value proposition. And we think, given all the changes we've made, we're there. With the caveat, as Judy called out, that because it's an ag business, it takes a while for us to be – fully producing at the attribute level that we want to be producing at, but we're getting really close.
spk09: Your next question comes from Tammy Chen with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk01: Yeah, thanks. Good morning. I wanted to go back to the adjusted growth margin for the cannabis segment. I guess, firstly, it's just a quick two-part of the question here is, Judy, sorry, you threw out a bunch of numbers like 18% gross margin, excluding, I think there was COVID subsidies or write downs or something. If you could just clarify that. And then there's a 7% gross margin that you also threw out. So that's sort of the first little housekeeping item. And then just my second main question is, I just want to go back to why the cannabis segment gross margin was so low this quarter. Like, Was it just that because of all the difficult changes you had to make, it was really sort of a one-time moment of lower production that really couldn't offset the fixed costs? Or was there something else there that just really caused the margin to capitulate there? And how do we think about that going forward the next couple of quarters here? Thank you.
spk06: Sure, Tammy. So on your first question about sort of reconciling the adjusted gross margin percentages, so the adjusted gross margin of negative 18%, when you look at what we reported on an adjusted gross margin basis, the negative 32%, that basically still includes the non-cash inventory write-downs that are not related to any of the strategic decisions that we made in Q4. So there's a big chunk of that that's dragging down our adjusted gross margin. We did have a modest benefit in terms of our dues or the payroll subsidy payment. So when you account for those factors, we estimate that we would have been at around negative 18% in our global cannabis business from a gross margin standpoint. Now, the 7% gross margin comment really related to the full year number, and that is really when you, and as I said earlier, excluding some of the non-cash costs, because we also incurred some of that inventory write-downs earlier in the year. So on a full-year basis, if we excluded non-cash inventory write-downs, which are still part of the adjusted gross margin and adjusted EBITDA in our P&L, we excluded depreciation costs, the non-cash depreciation costs, and then we also comp out the payroll subsidy that we do not expect to continue in FY23, we would have been at around 7% from a cash gross margin basis for the cannabis business. So I hope that addresses your question on those numbers. Now, from a cannabis gross margin performance in Q4, I'd say the inventory write-downs, you know, there's been, frankly, a volatility in that number throughout the year. And I think that is partially a function of continued shifting consumer preferences and our pivot in our strategy to really move away from value flower. So as that has happened, we've decided to take some of that inventory write-downs as a result. And then I think the other factor is some of the price compression and the margin compression that we have seen in the cannabis market broadly. And I think as we come out of this premiumization shift, we expect our gross margins to benefit on a go-forward basis as we benefit from the mixed improvement. And then, as I said earlier, if we can really improve our demand forecasting process, which we really have spent a lot of time on, and reduce some of that inventory write-down, and then achieve the cost savings that we've outlined, we do expect sizable improvement in our cash flows margin performance in our Canadian operations.
spk09: Your next question comes from Chris Carey with Wells Fargo Securities. Please go ahead.
spk17: Good morning. Good morning.
spk05: I just wanted to follow up on the question around gross margins. I think you mentioned you kind of see a 7% gross margin underlying rate. Obviously, that's much better than the adjusted number in the quarter, but probably not satisfying to you over time in order to run a profitable business. And perhaps that becomes a bit of a challenge, even with the SG&A reductions, which you've announced. When we get through all of the mix evolution and the right sizing of the products that you want for the market, where do you see the gross margin for this business trending over a very long-term horizon? Do you have some sort of idea of where that is? And secondly, on the non-cannabis gross margins, I wonder if you can just expand a bit on some of the factors that drove the sequential decline. Clearly, we're seeing inflation impacting a number of non-cannabis categories. And so, can you maybe expand on those and what you're doing to try and alleviate some of that pressure as we get into fiscal 23?
spk06: Sure, Chris. So, yeah, I mean, look, we are focused and committed to gross margin improvement across all areas of our business, including cannabis and the CPG businesses. Now, If I just go through each of our businesses, note that we are already profitable and carry a healthy gross margin in stores and vehicles. This works in international medical business. With the Canadian business, and I talked to you about this in our prior question, but it's really some of the price compression and the non-cash cost that we've been incurring that's been really pressuring the gross margin. as we execute our premiumization strategy and see the benefit of that mixed improvement, as we achieve our cost savings that we've outlined, we do believe that we can achieve 35 to 40% cash gross margin in our Canadian business over time. And I think that that is a margin structure that we think is reasonably attractive. For BioSteel, our gross margin in the near term, and frankly in Q4, was hampered by higher co-packing costs, as well as increased distribution and warehousing costs. And this is in part a function of scaling up in terms of the revenue, as well as just the higher supply chain costs that everyone in the industry is incurring, including fuel costs. We do have a number of initiatives in flight to reduce our co-packing costs, distribution and warehousing expenses, and we do expect improvement in gross margins in the bio-seal business in fiscal 23 and beyond. Globally, as you mentioned, we are dealing with some of the current inflationary pressure, wage inflation, the supply chain costs that are going up. But we do believe that our cost savings program should drive overall improvement in gross margins in fiscal 23 as well as on a go-forward basis. So, again, if we can think about our cash gross margin in the Canadian business in that 35 to 40% range, and then the rest of the other businesses actually carrying a higher gross margin, we do think that over time we can be in that 40% plus gross margin as a total company.
spk09: Your next question comes from John Zamparo with CIBC. Please go ahead.
spk03: Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask about the EBITDA guide, maybe from the revenue side. And the cost cuts you announced get you to around one-third of the delta on current run rate EBITDA versus your target. So, presumably, you're planning for some significant sales growth. But But the changes you're referencing, especially in the Canadian market, are also ones competitors are undergoing. And this is a market that's now growing 20% to 30% a year. So to get to your EBITDA value, you need to grow significantly above that rate. So I'm wondering what gives you the confidence to be able to get there given the pace of the market growth and given the level of competition you're seeing and presumably no end of price compression in sight. Thanks.
spk15: Yeah, so, you know, I think that we're going to – continue to see strong competition in the Canadian market. I believe that we have some brands that are beginning to resonate with consumers, although Canada still isn't a full-up brand store yet. I think our ability to execute at retail is exceptionally strong, and I talked about our work with bug tenders and our work with, in general, in our ground game to get out at retail. And look, we're in a challenged retail environment at the moment with a lot of retailers having difficulty in the market right now, and we're able to work hand in hand with them to help them perform. And so we think that those items coupled with our ability to grow premium quality flour consistently at large scale in Canada ends up being a differentiator. And, you know, I will point out that we've retained the number one position in premium again this quarter, and we doubled our share in particular on the back of our Tweed brand in the mainstream segment. So the areas we're focusing on are showing green shoots. It's just the broader mix shift that Judy outlined that puts a significant drag on our revenue line.
spk06: And, John, the only comment I would add, though, is that we do believe that making strategic investments in growth areas of the business, like BioSteel and our USTHC strategy, is still a critical part of our strategy. So I think from our perspective that we can be more profitable if we choose not to invest in those areas in growth. With that in mind, but we really do our bullish on the prospects of bio still being the challenger brand in the in the fast growing premium hydration segment in the US market. And as I said, we do have a compelling strategy that we are willing to invest against them. So it's really the investments in those areas, but ensuring that we can be profitable in all the other areas of our business.
spk09: Your next question comes from Andrew Carter with Stiefel. Please go ahead.
spk07: Thank you. Good morning. My first question, or it's actually all kind of related to the ecosystem in general. First one is you've now done Jetty and Juana. Correct me if I'm wrong on the agreement with Acreage. They have a first right of refusal ability to look at that. So I assume that they're going to be launching those brands soon in New Jersey, New York. And I believe there's also an MSA fee, which I think would help them and therefore help you. The second part of my question is with kind of what you've kind of committed to today on the cost structure side and pushing break-even EBITDA out to 2024, how does this not put Constellation in the position to where they can either realize the success if you're successful or be in that position of last resort to extract value or just simply walk away? Thanks.
spk15: Yeah, so what I'll say, Andrew, is that – Constellation remains committed to our business. Judy talked about some of the supply chain issues, for example, around distribution for BioSteel. Well, we actually have a Constellation person fully dedicated to helping us unlock value from an operations standpoint. We also have people working in field and trade marketing as well as in distribution and sales. We're working very well together. I think, you know, for Constellation, they remain committed. They still have a controlling stake in the business. They intend to retain that controlling stake in the business. And everything we do, in particular as it relates to the U.S., is done jointly with them. I believe it continues to be a very productive relationship between our companies. And yeah, their expectation is that the combination of getting profitable with our premium Canadian strategy and being able to deliver on our already profitable and fast growth USTHC ecosystem and bring it all together, they believe, along with us, that that creates a really big value unlock at the right point in the future.
spk09: Your next question comes from Michael Library with Piper Sandler. Please go ahead.
spk16: Thank you. Good morning. I just want to come back to the EBITDA guidance and just sort of unpack it a little bit. and try to understand the magnitude of the profitability headwinds that you anticipate from BioSteel and USTHC, even by fiscal 24. And I guess partly would love to understand if the M&A activity you're doing in the U.S. doesn't flow through the P&L, and those deals obviously are conditional on U.S. federal laws changing. What operating costs do come through that are related to USTHC and how significant are those? And on the bio steel side, it was growing quickly, but obviously just a little under 10% of revenues last year. What does it take for that to be profitable? And is it so unprofitable that it overshadows obviously the entire rest of the business? I just would love to put all that together.
spk06: Yeah, I'll start, and David, you can also add any additional callers. So, Michael, as I said earlier, we do view those buy still and USTHC strategy as critical strategic investments that we're making. I'm not going to give you exact dollar amounts in terms of the investments, but we do have sponsorships that we've signed on with sporting teams and the athletes. We also are... really excited about the distribution that we've gained over the last several months. We've got 53,000 doors that we've got commitments in for FI23. So we really view FI23 as an important year for BioSteel to unleash all of that distribution points that we've gotten to drive sales velocity in those stores. And that's investments in field marketing, brand activation, and all other where we can really leverage the sponsorships and the asset partnerships and to really unleash that brand in the marketplace. So we are excited about the brand, but it is a sizable investment that we are planning to make in FY23. As it relates to USTC strategy-related expenses, you know, I think as you've seen, we've gone So, you know, expenses that are related to our M&A team, we really have worked on creating a compelling strategy. So, development of all of that, the US THC strategy and others are really kind of built into that US THC investment. Now, if we, I think the point of that is that those are the investments. that we're making today, but the profit that we are actually generating through those U.S. investments just don't show up in our P&L, right? So it makes our P&L just look worse versus if we can really consolidate the revenue and the profits of the investments that we have. So it's just the expense shows up and none of the benefits associated with it.
spk15: And the only thing I would add, Judy, is When you look at BioSteel distribution, so we know the brand with its kind of clean, healthy hydration differentiator does well when it gets in the hands of consumers. Last year, we put all of the effort into building out those points of distribution that Judy called out. So going from about 1,500 points of distribution last year to by the time we get them all up and running this year will be over 50,000. And so the spend in BioSteel is to make sure that now that we have points of distribution and we know we have a product that consumers love, we want to make sure that the consumer is aware of the product and pulls it off the shelf for that initial trial because we know when we get consumer trial that we build a fan. So that's the investment that we're talking about there that we think will pay really big dividends in the near term.
spk09: Your next question comes from Adam Buckham with Scotiabank. Please go ahead.
spk02: Hey, good morning. Thanks for the question. On the USTHC investments that Canopy has made, I'm just curious to what stipulations are in the deal in the event clarity on legalization doesn't come from a federal level anytime soon. I guess what I'm asking is how do you realize the financial upside of these assets in the event cannabis only ever becomes regulated at a state level?
spk15: Yeah, so there's a fair amount of flexibility because each of our agreements states that, you know, we can exercise our rights to full control. And when we say we don't consolidate it, it's because we don't technically control the businesses even though we own them. So, but our ability to take full control is upon federal permissibility or at Canopy's discretion. and we would want to get comfortable from a legal standpoint and a controlled substances act standpoint, but it leaves us some ability to take control of these businesses short of full-up federal permissibility, but it would depend on the incremental legislation that we get past. And what we're all thinking right now, and I'm sure you guys are as well, is that federal permissibility feels like maybe it's not entirely in the near term, but incremental change does look to be on the horizon as we talk about more and more things like, you know, like, like, like safe banking and initiatives of that sort.
spk09: Your next question comes from Pablo's landing with cancer. Please go ahead.
spk12: Yeah, good morning, David. So actually, it's precisely related to your last comment on SAFE. So it's a two-part question, right? When I think of the WANA deal and JETI, does that mean that you think the triggering event may be sooner than expected, right? I mean, one from outside, we think that you wouldn't be making these investments if you think that that's being delayed and now it's much further out. The second question, in terms of defining the triggering event, is SAFE enough for you as a triggering event? or would SAFE need to be followed by a listing in U.S. exchanges for plant touching assets for you to define the triggering event? If you can expand on that, please. Thank you.
spk15: Yeah, sure. So, good question. You know, as it relates to the triggering events definition, I think that it has a lot to do with what gets included in any of the incremental legislation and what sort of safe harbors get created and how agencies such as exchanges and banks and so forth react to that. And so I think it's hard to say, Pablo, whether safe banking is enough, but, you know, there could be some scenarios where safe banking is at least very helpful. In terms of timing, you know, when we think about a brand like Juana, Juana is doing quite well in Canada. It's the number one edibles brand in Canada. I'll also point out that Juana Canada is not in our financial statements. But Juana is the number one edibles brand in Canada. And so, you know, for us, we do have the ability to do some different things with the U.S. brands when they're operating in our home market in Canada. And we'll look on that. We'll continue to work on that. And then just as importantly, our ability to bring a brand like Jetty, which doesn't exist in Canada but has really strong IP, really good brand credibility and heritage in maybe the most difficult cannabis market in the world in California, to be able to bring that to Canada is pretty exciting for us. So we do have ways to unlock some value prior to permissibility, and we're going to keep looking for ways to unlock value and ultimately cash flows as soon as we possibly can.
spk09: Your next question comes from Matt Bottomley with Canaccord Genuity. Please go ahead.
spk10: Good morning, everyone. Yeah, I just wanted to go back on the strategy of, you know, the new goal of inflection for adjusted EBITDA, and maybe just if you could speak a little bit more on the potential disposition side. I know you chatted a lot on, you know, the BioSteel and Storz and Bickel prospects, but, you know, what are the prospects for Canopy's longer-term views and participation in things like Canadian retail, international infrastructure and cultivation outside of Canada, things like that. I'm just wondering, is there an expectation that maybe that will start coming off the books through disposition within this upcoming fiscal year?
spk06: Thanks, Matt. So I'll start. So first of all, I'd say we've already made significant strides in simplifying our businesses and exiting several non-businesses. core categories and businesses that we just didn't feel like it fit our strategy and you know that we divested C3 in last year. So I'd say we've made significant progress. Now I think for us really we continue to look for ways of sharpening our focus and I think There are areas where we will continue to really invest in because we believe in the prospects and the growth aspirations of those businesses. And then I think there are other areas, whether the market dynamics are shifting or we need to further simplify our businesses, we're consistently and constantly review those businesses. Some of the proceeds that I mentioned that we expect to come in FY23 are already the businesses that we either closed down or have made decisions to walk away from. So it doesn't include additional activities that we potentially would look into, but I think we do have a pretty compelling strategy and we'll continue to look for opportunities to simplify and sharpen our focus.
spk09: Your next question comes from Ty Collin with Aid Capital. Please go ahead.
spk14: Hi. Thanks for taking my question. I just wanted to follow up on the cost reduction announcement that you made last month. Can you provide some more color on the plans to leverage third-party manufacturing? What's the rationale behind that particular action and which product formats would that relate to? Thanks.
spk15: We want to be able to produce the best quality products I can put on the market. And I guess when I say best quality, what I really mean is I want the right attributes that our consumers love. And I'm talking specifically about flour. You know, so when we look outside of our own facilities, we're really looking to engage with craft growers, both for their ability to grow through our seven acres craft collective, offerings as well as connecting with them on some of the strain development and evolution that's going on in the market. We just think it's a way to keep our offerings fresh and at the highest level of attributes in the market that the consumers want. When we look outside of flour into some of our other categories, there are just producers that can take our formulations and produce them in an asset-light way to Canopy, which just creates better returns for us and better margins for us. So we continue to look at how to just put the best product we can in the market, and if that means we produce it, we will, and if it means someone else produces it on our behalf, we'll do that as well.
spk06: And the only thing I would add, first, I think it's really aligned to us building a premium branded company. So we really do want to lean in in terms of our brand-led strategy. Number two, it's really about flexibility. So as we've mentioned, some of the heavy indirect fixed costs that we've been incurring in our Canadian operation If we can look to variolize some components of those costs and reduce their indirect labor costs, we do actually think that that's a flexible strategy where we can flex up or down as needed from a demand perspective.
spk09: Your next question comes from Aaron Gray with Alliance Global Partners. Please go ahead.
spk04: Hi, good morning, and thanks for the question. So, for me, I just want to talk about, you know, the U.S. The Getty acquisition, you obviously had a shift now of Getty and Juana to brands more so than MSOs previously. So, I just want to kind of get your kind of overarching view. Number one, you know, why you believe now is the appropriate time to really focus more on the brands. Obviously, very early days, many people believe in terms of brand equity within space. And then number two, because you don't have ownership, you know, how are you able to leverage, you know, core competencies Jetty, Strong Friends of California, Juana, Limited in California, but Juana obviously is stronger in terms of licensing and other markets. And you also have, you know, Acreage and Terrasend as well. And then just last is overarching kind of brand versus MSOs. How do you look at, you know, building the brand considering, you know, Terrasend and Acreage have their own brands, and then you're also bringing on your brands through these purchases of the Jetty and Juana. Thank you.
spk15: Yeah, so... I'll come at this from a couple of different ways, and Judy, fill in the holes here. So again, we start from the point where we believe that sustainable value was created by being that North American brand-driven, premium-focused company. And so we see brands like Juana and Jetty really almost in their emerging phase where they have really good credibility with their consumer bases They're well regarded in the markets that they exist in today. And, you know, quite honestly, Juana has shown that they do really well when they come to new markets as well. We think the same thing is true with Jetty, where, you know, we look forward to the day where New Yorkers can consume a Jetty vape product, you know, relying on that California experience and heritage and recognition from a consumer standpoint. So we think that the brands are important to build a base for consumers. But the brands have to have a reason for being, and that's why we like brands like Juana and Jetty, because they already have the provenance that you like to see in a brand over time. In terms of why now, we think that the timing is right to begin to work together or to have the brands work together to find ways to to grow. So, for example, you talked about Juana's success running their licensing model. Jetty hasn't really begun to expand outside of California. It will be great for those businesses to work together to take the learnings that Juana has, apply them to Jetty, and be able to bring Jetty into the legal markets across the U.S. In terms of Control, I guess, is what you're really talking about around, you know, without us being able to be in there on a day in and day out basis. The way the agreements work is that we have guardrails in place in terms of what the companies can do and cannot do. But most importantly, and maybe almost as important as the brands, we chose to invest in these companies because they have very strong management teams. And so we have a lot of confidence in the ability of the individuals running Acreage and TerraSend and Jetty and Juana to be able to find the best path forward and create a lot of value before permissibility.
spk09: There are no further questions at this time. Mr. Klain, you may proceed.
spk15: So thanks again for joining us today. If you're in Canada, I really encourage you to try one of our new 7 Acres Jack Hayes infused pre-rolled joint innovations or one of our new great tasting cannabis beverages such as Tweed Iced Tea Guava. These are superior experiences and I would really love for you to give them a try. If you're in the U.S., I encourage you to try a BioSteel ready to drink beverage to hydrate over the Memorial Day weekend. Investor relations will be available to answer additional questions throughout the day. Have a great day, everyone.
spk09: This concludes Canopy Group's fourth quarter fiscal year 2022 financial results conference call. A replay of this conference call will be available until August 25, 2022 and can be accessed following the instructions provided in the company's press release issued earlier today. Thank you for attending today's call and enjoy the rest of your day. Goodbye.
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