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spk11: Greetings. Welcome to the Cod Next First Quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the full presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Nathan McCurran, president head of investment relations. You may begin.
spk02: Thank you, Shmali. Morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. Our results were released earlier today. The press release, earnings presentation, and quarterly report on form 10Q are available on the investor relations section of our website. Both the press release and our call today will reference non-GAAP measures. You can find a reconciliation of certain items from GAAP to non-GAAP in our press release. Any forward-looking statements we made in the press release, the accompanying presentation posted to our website, or any that we may make during this call, are based upon information that we believe to be true as of today. Our actual results may differ materially from our projections due to the risks and uncertainties that are described in our SEC filings, including our most recent form 10K and our form 10Q filed this morning for Q1 2024. On today's call, Rob Willett, Cognizant's president and CEO, will discuss our first quarter results. I will then provide additional detail on the financials, and Rob will conclude with an update on our strategic initiatives and our outlook. Laura McDonald, our corporate controller and interim principal financial officer, has also joined us in the room for the Q&A portion of the call. With that, I'll turn the call over to Rob.
spk12: Thanks, Nathan. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Our first quarter results reflect a challenging but stable business environment. Revenue was above the high end of our guidance range as we saw order volumes slightly higher than we had expected. Revenue, excluding the contribution of Maritex, increased sequentially from the fourth quarter but remained down year on year across most of our factory automation end markets. While customers remain cautious with their capex investments, I'm encouraged by the early indications of recovery we have started to see in certain end markets. We also expect the slight improvement of macro leading indicators such as the PMI in many of our most important geographies to be a tailwind for our business. This year, we have taken important steps in executing against our strategic initiatives. We expanded the application of our Edge Learning Technology by launching the Insight L38, the world's first AI-enabled 3D industrial vision system. Our 2023 cohort of emerging customer sales noise entered the field and began actively calling on customers. And we operated the Maritex business for a full quarter and advanced its integration. We remain on track for this acquisition to be accretive to adjusted operating margin and adjusted EPS in 2024. I would like to take a moment to welcome Dennis Fair, who we announced this morning will become our new Chief Financial Officer effective tomorrow, May 3rd. Dennis will lead the company's global finance and information technology organizations. Dennis brings over 20 years of experience spending the last six years as a CFO, most recently as the CFO of 6K Inc. Dennis joined 6K after spending five years as the CFO of Fluence Energy, which he led through an IPO in 2021. Prior to Fluence Energy, Dennis was Vice President of Finance at Siemens, where he spent the first 15 years of his career. Dennis brings broad international experience to Cognex. This includes time living and working in China, Mexico, Germany, and Indonesia. This knowledge will be of great value to Cognex as we continue to execute on our global growth strategy. You will hear from Dennis on our Q2 earnings call. Before I go into further commentary on the business and outlook for Q2, I'd like to turn the call back over to Nathan to walk you through more of
spk02: the results. Thank you, Rob. I'll walk through our financial highlights, which you can see on page four of our earnings presentation posted to the website this morning. First quarter revenue of $211 million increased by 5% year on year with a contribution from Moritex of just under 8% of total revenue. Excluding Moritex and foreign exchange effects, revenue declined 3%. Turning to margins, adjusted gross margin was .8% in Q1, in line with guidance, and down from .8% a year ago. Gross margin included a two percentage point dilution effect from a full quarter of Moritex. There was also 1.6 percentage points of unfavorable one time events in the quarter, primarily the strategic logistics project with future recurring revenue that we mentioned on our last call. Sequentially, adjusted gross margin stepped down due to Moritex and one time effects. Adjusted operating expenses increased 3% year on year as expected, driven by a full quarter of Moritex and increased investment in our emerging customer initiative. Excluding these strategic investments, adjusted OpEx declined 6% year on year. Sequentially, adjusted operating expenses increased 5% as expected. In addition to higher costs for the emerging customer initiative and a full quarter of Moritex, there was a reset in incentive compensation at the beginning of the year, as we mentioned last quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin was .9% in Q1, down from .5% a year ago. This was driven by a lower gross margin and higher operating expenses related to emerging customers, partially offset by the positive contribution of the Moritex acquisition, which was accretive to adjusted EBITDA margin. Deluded earnings per share on a GAAP basis with 7 cents, down year on year due to lower operating margins, acquisition and amortization costs, and unfavorable discrete tax items. Sequentially, GAAP diluted EPS increased 7%. Adjusted diluted EPS was 11 cents, down 2 cents year on year and flat sequentially. The adjusted effective tax rate was 16% in both Q1 of 2024 and Q1 of 2023. I will now go through our end market results, which you can find on slide five of the earnings presentation. I'll discuss the end market and geographic results, excluding the contribution of Moritex. Markets have been mixed to begin 2024, as we have seen both continued weakness as well as pockets of positive signals. Starting with automotive, revenue was down year on year, but flat sequentially. EV battery revenue continues to be lumpy, and in the first quarter, we saw customers delay some project spending as they faced uncertain near-term demand. Moving on to logistics, revenue grew year on year, but was flat sequentially. Much of the business remained stable, and we executed a sizable strategic project in the quarter, driving year on year growth. Consumer electronics revenue was down year on year, although the rate of decline slowed compared to the back half of 2023. Rob will go into more detail regarding what we expect from consumer electronics for the full year. CIMI had strong momentum in the quarter, with year on year growth turning positive after four quarters of significant declines. From a geographic viewpoint, revenue growth was strongest in Asia outside of China, led by strength in CIMI and logistics. Americas also grew in the quarter, driven by its higher logistics mix. Outside of logistics, America's experienced continued softness across our factory automation business, as was also the case for Europe. China remained challenging as revenue in the region declined year on year for the sixth consecutive quarter. Turning to the balance sheet, Cogniz continues to have a strong cash position with $557 million in cash and investments and no debt. Free cash flow in Q1 was $10 million compared to $22 million a year ago, reflecting lower gap net income and increased working capital investment as we continue to scale new supply chain initiatives. We returned $22 million to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks and dividends. Now I'll turn it back over to Rob.
spk12: Thanks Nathan. Let me spend some time discussing the progress we're making on our strategic priorities. We are making strong progress introducing world-class AI to the field of industrial machine vision. Our latest examples of this is our Insight L38 3D vision system, which combines AI, 2D, and 3D vision technologies to solve a range of inspection and measurement applications. The Insight L38 greatly simplifies the process of configuring 3D systems thanks to embedded AI technology that uses pre-trained models with domain-specific data. Cognix has captured these data through our long history of serving customers. The Insight L38 example-based training replaces complex programming steps previously required in vision application development and enables our technology to address a broad array of applications. The Insight L38's unique AI-powered 3D tools can be set up in minutes, requiring as few as five to 10 labeled images to automate a task. With a few simple point and click training examples, customers can guide robotic arms to locate items on a conveyor, measure glue to ensure its consistent application, or lead tire identification numbers on low-contrast black rubber material. Example-based learning solves 3D applications in a more intuitive and human-like way, enabling Cognix to expand its application where human inspectors or offline measurements have previously been the only viable option. I'll shift now to give you an update on our Emerging Customer Initiative. Our excitement continues to build to this initiative as it broadens our customer base and deepens our penetration into end markets such as packaging. Our initial Emerging Customer Sales cohort fully entered the field and began to sell at the beginning of this year. These sales nodes have been demoing and selling to customers we have not previously called on. We've seen a lot of new applications with these customers. Some examples of emerging customer applications include inspecting the quality of food items like bread,
spk02: pizzas,
spk12: and biscuits, detecting presence absence of sealing caps on air fresheners, verifying bottle caps are properly sealed, confirming the correct insertion of connectors for an electronics customer, and optical character recognition and the classification of parts for an automotive parts manufacturer. We are building a funnel of opportunities with this initiative and are encouraged by what we have seen. We expect our emerging customer sales nodes to make over 80,000 customer visits this year. We've had early success across geographies and end markets and we continue to build this team towards delivering at least $50 million of incremental revenue in 2024. Early orders continue to reinforce our belief that this initiative will be gross margin accretive. We're excited to grow this initiative by welcoming our second cohort of emerging customer sales nodes in 2024. Let me now give you an update on our integration of Maratex. We made good progress on the integration in Q1. Our engineering teams are already collaborating on optics innovation and our sales teams are driving successful customer engagements. The experienced leaders who joined us for Maratex are now leading Cognex Japan. While we expect Maratex products to be slightly diluted to total company gross margin in the medium term, we continue to expect the acquisition to be accretive to adjusted operating margin and adjusted EPS in 2024 and beyond. I'll turn now to our outlook for the second quarter. In the second quarter, we expect revenue between 230 and $245 million. This step up from the first quarter is in line with our typical Q1 to Q2 consumer electronics seasonality. I will remind you that Q2 of last year included $15 million of consumer electronics revenue that we originally expected in the third quarter of 2023. Adjusting for that baseline effect and excluding Maratex, this range implies revenue to be slightly down year on year. We expect the Maratex business to contribute six to 8% of revenue in Q2. Gross margin continues to be below our long-term targets given volume deleverage and an approximately two percentage point dilution effect for Maratex. We expect the first quarter to be the low point for the year in adjusted gross margin. For the second quarter, we expect adjusted gross margin slightly above 70%, a sequential step up as we move past the gross margin to lead at one time events in Q1 and expect stronger revenues as just mentioned. We expect adjusted operating expenses to increase low to mid single digits on a sequential basis due to additional investment in the emerging customer initiative and higher incentive compensation. As we disclosed last quarter, we expect an incremental $25 million of emerging customer OPEX for the full year, the timing of which should ramp throughout 2024 similar to the investment made in 2023. We also expect incentive compensation to be a 15 to $20 million year on year headwind materializing mostly in the second through fourth quarters. Logistics has continued to be stable and we believe is well positioned to grow as automation penetration increases and e-commerce investment returns. For the full year, we expect logistics to grow as we start to see infrastructure investment plans materializing. So logistics growth this year will likely still be below the 30% growth we target long-term in this market. Consumer electronics has positive long-term trends, but the timing and revenue contribution can be lumpy. We do not expect 2024 to be a significant growth year for consumer electronics. For the full year, we expect revenue in 2024 to be approximately in line with 2023 with continued uncertainty of project size and timing. We are seeing more tentativeness from EV battery customers driven by concern around near term end user demand and political uncertainty. We started to see delayed projects result in a reduction in the pace of greenfield investments from our EV customers. We are still seeing customers invest in productivity improvements and product upgrades on existing lines. And we still expect our EV battery business to be a robust growth driver over the long term. The semi landscape is improving as leading equipment manufacturers have communicated more optimistic 2024 outlooks. We're excited that Maratex gives us additional opportunities in this market, which looks well positioned for strong growth. We are encouraged by the positive macro signals we've started to see, and we believe the progress we're making on our strategic initiatives keeps us well positioned to capitalize on exciting industry trends as the operating environment begins to improve. Now we will open the call for questions. Operator, please go ahead.
spk11: Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star key. One moment please while we poll
spk01: for questions. Our first question. Our first question
spk11: comes
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spk11: of Damon Carvers with UBS Securities. Please proceed with your question.
spk10: Hi, good morning everyone. Can you hear me?
spk11: Yeah, good morning. We can hear you. Go ahead.
spk10: Terrific. Congratulations on completing that CFO search.
spk07: Thank you. I wanted to start off by,
spk10: yeah, thank you. I know you put a lot of efforts into that. Maybe you could begin by getting your perspective a bit more on the logistics market. You kind of characterize it as stable, but you're expecting to get some more modest growth as the year progresses. Can you talk about what you're seeing across the logistics market? Are there some more strategic projects in the funnel that you've got some good visibility that are likely to hit later this year? And just curious what indications you might have from your largest customer in the space.
spk12: Thanks.
spk10: So
spk12: let's start with a bit of context. So our logistics business grew 65% in 2021 with around 300 million fueled by a lot of investment in e-commerce particularly. And then as that kind of investment really slowed down and stopped, it contracted by 25% in 2022 and by 21% in 2023. So I think we've seen a big downturn in that industry. We're now feeling much more positive that it's starting to really come back. So logistics revenue grew 24% year on year in the first quarter of this year, although it was flat if we excluded the very large project that we talked to you about on the last call. But we're having positive conversations and starting to see early indications of recovery. We expect a return to growth of logistics for this year, although still below the target of 30% growth that we're expecting from that industry over the long term. And over the long term, we're expecting to see large e-commerce customers brought a warehouse automation going on. We're starting to penetrate more into parcel and post where we see our technology is really starting to be very, very competitive. And we're seeing some really good trials with some of the major names in that industry. We're also seeing smaller customers grow nicely with COSMEX and the opportunities we see growing there. We're seeing more adoption of other technologies beyond barcode reading that we're marketing, such as Edge Intelligence, which is the technology I referred to in the last call that brings us recurring revenue from customers. And we're bringing more vision to allow us to inspect packages for damage, do dimensioning, et cetera, products like the Insight 2800 Detector that we referred to. In reference to the larger customers and investments, here we're starting to see more positive signs that those kind of investments will be returning back to what I would consider more normal levels. Although some of those opportunities may result in bookings this year for a month, but revenue next year, because there's a fairly long lead time on that. It would also just be worth saying that our logistics business is relatively concentrated in the United States, nicely penetrated and growing in Europe over the long term, but we see a lot of growth potential in Asia, particularly India and emerging markets. So that's kind of an overall view.
spk10: Very helpful, Kholar, thank you. And then I wanted to ask you about CEMIs. It sounds like the business is improving more than you had expected. Could you just maybe give us a sense for how much of a recovery, how much of a snapback you think you could see in CEMIs this year? And your initial guide for more attacks was up 6% to 8%. Was that factoring in already a better CEMIs outlook for this year, or just based on what you're seeing, can that possibly be tracking better?
spk12: So we're seeing our CEMI business after a couple of more difficult years in 2023, starting to return back to some pretty nice potential growth. Revenue year on year in Q1 was up 6%, excluding Martex. So still I think pretty early on in seeing that start to ramp, but this is a market where we have some longer term exposure and long-term relationships with OEMs. Some characteristics, certainly like investments in high bandwidth memory, which is really being driven by growth in AI investments, that's starting to look very positive for us. And then Martex is a very, very highly regarded brand with a lot of great relationships with machine builders. I had the pleasure of visiting a bunch of them in Japan a couple of weeks ago, and that's a business that as those companies start to see their business grow, it should be very beneficial for us in the longer term. So I think we've probably been going for a period where there's been some recalibration around changes that are going on in the market, particularly related to China and perhaps the scaling up of big AI investments and investments such as around the CHIPS Act. So we're optimistic over the long term as those work their way through and those investments become finalized and automation is expected that we'll really see a nice return to strong growth in that market. And then if we sort of size semi for you, it's around when we include Martex, around 10% of our business overall with a lot of strong growth potential in the next few years.
spk02: And Damien, I just point out, you mentioned Martex, there's some puts and takes in terms of end market growth and timing. We originally guided to six to 8% of our total revenue coming from Martex for the year, and that's still our guidance for that end market, just given how some of the other pieces of businesses are expected to move throughout the year.
spk10: Okay, got it. Thank you very much. I'll pass it along best of luck.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Rob Mason with Robert W. Baird. Please proceed with your question.
spk09: I guess, good morning. Thanks for taking the question. So Rob, you said consumer electronics probably tracks flat year over year with last year. I'm just curious how the makeup of that business would compare on a flat basis and really maybe the composition coming from what your historically larger customer versus other customers. Have there been any efforts to change the customer mix, diversification efforts on that front that you would comment on?
spk12: Rob, I think you're right in interpreting what I said as sort of broadly flat. There isn't a broad change in our overall exposure to different customers. We do business with a lot of the major names in that industry, although historically we've had one very large customer. I would say my sort of outlook for the industry is broad across a range of customers not being overly specific. We've been swung one way or another by a particular customer overall. But as I did mention, that industry can be lumpy. We can see features coming into products that perhaps might have been expected next year coming in or this year moving out. So that can move around quite a lot in our experience.
spk09: Sure. And just as a follow-up on your emerging customer initiative, curious if you could just comment. I know it's early with all the force just being in the field to start the year, but early reads on maybe productivity levels. And if you've had any feedback from the field just in terms of things that Cognex can do to help them be more successful and understanding it's kind of a tougher market you're selling into as well. But whether that's lead generation, product tweaks, product portfolio enhancements, I'm just curious what the early feedback is.
spk12: Yes, I think central thesis around emerging customers was traditionally we've been very strong at the most sophisticated accounts in the world where they really like to work engineer on engineer. And, but a couple of years ago, we developed this technology called Edge Learning, which makes difficult machine vision applications pretty easy to demo and sell. So the 2800 is the best example of the product in that area. And then we also have a nice ID portfolio, which is broadly considered the best in the world at reading industrial barcodes, such as laser printed 2D matrix barcodes on metal applications, those types of things. So with that kind of strength, we realized we needed to go and get this technology to more customers. And if we serve 30,000 or so customers today, there is perhaps 200,000 customers or more that we could be reaching with this technology as it becomes easier. So with that, we brought in some very strong, young salespeople, most of them engineers, and we've trained them, and they're going into the field now. At the same time, we've implemented salesforce.com over the last few years, and we have a lot of intelligence now in terms of what activity goes on, where we're demoing, how to generate leads and get those to those salespeople. So that process is kind of, I think, getting implemented, and I think we're pretty pleased with what we're seeing. I mentioned we expect that team that's gone in the field to make about 80,000 customer visits this year. They're certainly on target to do that. We're gonna be able to help them get in front of more customers over time as our lead generation engine spools up, as they learn about how to be effective in front of customers. So we expect their productivity, and I would say in the data that I see, on average, they're selling more and more each month currently. So, and they're getting in front of new customers, I gave you examples of applications that you probably, well, we certainly, a few years ago, would have probably walked away from because there was just gonna be too much engineering to work, make some of those things work, but now our emerging customers, salespeople can demo and sell those products in perhaps two visits, is generally what I would observe. So we're gonna see the metrics keep moving up. We're pretty pleased with what we're seeing. We will see more products coming to market and more tools enabling them to address more applications and it builds from here. So based on that confidence, we're bringing in another full class and we're training them up and we're getting better all the time. It does feel like turning a flywheel, it's getting faster and faster.
spk09: Very good, that's very helpful, thanks.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of George Giordano with Power & Company. Please we'll see what your question is.
spk08: Good
spk11: morning,
spk08: this is Michael on for Joe.
spk00: Can you hear me?
spk08: Good morning. Yes, we can, yeah, please go ahead, Michael. Great, thank you so much. So on the end market front, I think Mr. Surprised on like the semi-strength in the quarter, based on some of the industry commentary there, what was driving that outperformance in the quarter and I have a follow-up, thank you. Well,
spk12: we, in semi, we're very strong in the wafer process, particularly where we're reading IDs, barcodes, letters, numbers on reflective surfaces of wafers. So that's been a very strong area for CognX for a very long time and with Spectrum, with many, most of the leading OEMs and those types of spaces and the fabs rely on our equipment. So that business is strengthening nicely. We have good team in ASEAN, markets such as Malaysia, certainly where we're seeing strong investments going on in that area, but as we're also reading, more and more semi is coming to other markets like Europe and America. But I would say more of the growth that we're seeing is around some of the areas I described, reading wafers and also kind of inspection and alignment in applications such as high bandwidth memory.
spk02: And Michael, one thing I'd add is just reminder that our business is much shorter cycle than a number of our peers who are supplying to this industry. So as you look at the type of customers who we serve here, they've given very positive outlets for 2024. You expect CognX to react to that a bit faster than some of the other suppliers into the industry, given the short cycle nature of our business. And we've, on the geography front, a lot of the business here in Asia beyond China, so our other Asia businesses, where we saw a lot of that activity.
spk08: Great, that's super helpful. And just one more, if I may, you had mentioned that you thought logistics was gonna be up for the year, CE likely flat, but can you discuss the puts and takes on the auto side, the growth expectations there, maybe cadence throughout the year as well? Thank you.
spk12: Yeah, sure. You asked about automotive. I think context, automotive was our largest and best performing market last year, representing 25% of our revenue. It looks to be entering a more difficult period at the moment. I think we see that, particularly around some of EV battery investments, which over the long term look very good, over the short term have really been scaled back, pushed out, right? So that can give our revenues some big bumps. And we saw a pretty nice EV battery order in the first quarter of last year in China. And that did not repeat this year. So certainly there's some tentativeness there. Much as you're reading probably about automotive, we are seeing customers, some of them move more quickly into hybrid, back into hybrid, if you like. And we've seen some success with customers there. But the broad view is that that automotive is slowing down, looks challenging for this year, and EV investments are being pushed out.
spk11: Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Levinson with Melius Research. Please proceed with your question.
spk05: Hi, good morning, everyone. Good morning, Jake. I know AI and deep learning is certainly is something you folks have been doing for quite a while now. But can you help us understand how the proliferation of high density compute, if you want to call it that, really changes the, or doesn't change for that matter, the capabilities and I would imagine it'd be pretty expensive to put GPUs in the computer next to a lot of your cameras. But I guess how does this computing power that hasn't been available before really changed the product roadmap for you folks?
spk12: Yeah, thanks, Jake, for the question. So we start with a longer term view. Deep learning technology is kind of being something that's been around for a long time. But I think we really began to see in 2013, 14, the work of Jeffrey Hinton, started to make that really workable. And we saw then it started to be usable in machine vision and factory automation later in the decade. And we acquired Vidi in 2017 and SuaLab in 2019. So I do credit Cognix with seeing this trend early and leading the application of deep learning technology. And then as we move now into generative AI to be a leader in that space as it applies to factory automation. And you can really see that. And I really encourage you to come to our website and look at our Insight L38 3D vision system, which is taking that powerful technology, making it really easy to use, and putting it into a point cloud environment to do 3D vision. And so historically vision has really been 2D, but 3D adds an extra dimension. So that's really an exponential amount of data one has to manage. So it's quite computer intensive. So your question is kind of how has chips changed that? Well, one thing is one works with AI and applies it. These models used to be very, very difficult, computer intensive, slow to manage. But now with cloud capability and GPUs, we're able to use and train and manage huge data sets very quickly and effectively. But then the reality of factory automation is that it's really happening at the edge. So you have to take all that powerful technology, put it into a pretty small form factor and apply it right at the point of manufacture, right on the line. And something Cognex has been extremely good at is making processors run efficiently. And in this case, we've taken deep learning technology and developed something called edge learning, which pre-trains models and applies them to edge based devices in a very efficient way. So as chips get faster, we're able to bring that technology right to the edge and make it work very, very, very effectively. So that's kind of the process we've been going through and it really is making our products much easier to use, easier to sell and broaden into applications that used to be really, only really managed effectively through humans. So those are some of the changes going on. The really powerful chips that I think you're perhaps referring to, that's still going on in the cloud. It's not coming to the edge in the next few years, I wouldn't say. But like, as we all know with Moore's law and everything, those chips become more powerful, smaller, and I think create a lot of opportunity to see some very powerful machine vision performance in the years to come. And you can bet we'll be, expect to be right at the leading edge of that.
spk05: That's super interesting, Rob. Just switching gears on China, a market that I think is often hard to know what's going on if you're not actually there. And I know that obviously graphs in this and your comments are on the other end markets, but just trying to get a sense of what you're hearing from your folks on the ground in terms of your customer's investment plan for this year.
spk12: Yeah, the China market is certainly the most difficult market geographically for us at the moment. We've seen revenue decline year on year for six straight quarters. In China, it was down 17% year on year in Q1, excluding Martex. We have a pretty large team in China and we're very successful with larger customers, particularly in that space. So I think we see this as a board-based phenomenon. I can't think of a company in the automation space that's putting up good results in China at the moment. So I think this is pretty typical of what we're seeing. There's certainly intense competition as well, but expect in that market we've seen quite a lot of PE and BC funded companies kind of in that market over recently. And I think there's some of them are obviously struggling with the market conditions that we're seeing there. Decline in automotive in the quarter was most pronounced in China also. So that's certainly a tough situation. We do see the phenomenon of customers moving production or diversifying production away from China. I think we're all familiar with that phenomenon. So into markets, particularly India and Vietnam. So that's another dynamic that's going on there. In terms of Cognoy and the team, I think we're enthusiastic about adding Martex to our business. And Martex has a good business in China and is able to be very competitive now selling more alongside Cognoy. So that's a positive development. And the kind of technology that we talked about, the 3D AI technology, certainly it's something that our Cognoy they're very enthusiastic about demoing and selling. And I'm very pleased with the progress that I see them starting to make with our edge learning technology broadly in that market. So plenty to work on, but difficult conditions.
spk01: Great, thank you, Rob. Pass it on.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tommy Ma with D-Win Inc. Please proceed with your question.
spk04: Morning and thank you for taking my questions. Yeah, good morning, Tommy. I wanted to start on logistics where in the quarter, it looks like revenue was flat year over year, excluding the large project that you've referenced a number of times. You've given us some reason to be optimistic about the recovery in that end market. And so my follow-up question is, are you seeing those positive signs fairly concentrated among a smaller list of customers? And the reason I ask that is just because it looks like the base business there was still flat year over year. Maybe I'm missing something now.
spk12: Yeah, so thanks for your question. So my optimism about logistics really comes from our funnel. So we certainly see a nice build of our business overall. The logistics win we had was with a big customer, but not necessarily our biggest customer in that space. And we do see some nice progress in penetrating parcel and post where we've seen, obviously that's a industry dominated by some very large names that we're all aware of. And we're making now a lot of progress with our new modular vision tunnel that we've launched this year, which brings a lot of functionality, demoing really well with those customers. Now, in terms of smaller customers, we do see that as a growth part of our business and it continues to feel that way. I don't know if Mason, you can give us any color on key one and base logistics on.
spk02: Yeah, I mean, I think you're probably referencing we said stable year over year. And I think that the thing to point out is we are seeing kind of broader based funnel optimism. And so we saw typically this business has been higher penetration in America's, we saw some strength in other parts of Asia in the quarter and expect to see going forward growth from both the large e-commerce customers that we've referenced as well as our base logistics. I think you should probably expect a little bit less of a bifurcation there than what we've talked over the past 18 months or so, just given really the hyper growth that happened and with the large e-commerce customers followed by a really a pause in their greenfield investment. And we would expect those to converge a little bit more going forward and see more similar trends across the full spectrum.
spk04: Thank you both. And then following up on emerging customer initiative, which quarter this year do you hit the full run rate for the expense investment there? Is it Q4 or is it really first quarter of next year before we'll see that full run rate? And a related question, Rob, is there any chance that you roll out a third cohort here as well? It sounds like things have gone well, but the first you're ramping a second. Just wonder what else might be on the marker board.
spk02: Thanks. Yeah, I'll take the cost side first. I mean, as we talked last year, the initiative ramped throughout the year and there's kind of two components to it in 2024. First is really the run rate of the investment that we made in 2023, which you should expect that to be pretty stable throughout the year. And then the second piece is what Rob will speak to more in a second is the class that we're bringing in in 2024. And that part of the cost you should expect to ramp throughout the year. And last year, just keep in mind what the investment is here. A lot of this is hiring of college graduates, so a lot of summer start dates. And so that really ramps linearly up through Q3 with Q3 and Q4 looking fairly similar. So really kind of Q3 being the peak and Q4 looking similar to Q3 is the expectation on the hop back side.
spk12: Yeah, and your question about your 2025, obviously too soon to make a call on that, but we would see emerging customers as a long-term initiative with a lot of long-term potential to, as I say, take our customers from 30,000 to with like hundreds of thousands. So this is a multi-year initiative overall, I would see it as that. But in terms of 2025, we start to really think about get concrete on our plans probably in the fall for that as we start to get into recruiting for next year or next season and plan our budget for that period.
spk04: Thank you for the insight, I'll turn it back.
spk11: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Andrew Vascalia with BNP Paribas Asset Management. Please proceed with your question.
spk03: Hey, good morning, guys.
spk11: Good morning,
spk03: Andrew. So you made the comment that you think gross margin marks the low point in Q1 and guided obviously a step up into Q2. Couple of questions on that, I guess what gives you that confidence that that is the low point? Presumably, you have logistics improving and you got a larger order that was somewhat diluted to that gross margin. So I guess you're not assuming any larger orders the rest of the year. And can you just comment on some of the things that you see in the back half that would give some confidence in that comment?
spk12: Yeah, well, first of all, Q1 gross margin was dragged down by that larger order we described, and a low revenue quarter. So those are kind of factors that impacted us. Overall, through the year, Maritex is about a 2% headwind. So that is sort of context. But then what should lift gross margin for Cognx going forward is obviously revenue, revenue particularly in markets like electronics, but particularly factory automation. Factory automation for us is a high margin business in a broad based way. So as we begin to see that market recover, that has strong gross margins overall. And as we've discussed, it's been under pressure for quite a few quarters now, our industry has, and as that returns, it would lift gross margin. And then our emerging customer initiative is selling high gross margin, very, very competitive products. So that's gonna be gross margin accretive for us also expect. And generally selling to smaller customers, who perhaps don't get the same kind of discounts that larger customers do. So there are many reasons to feel positive about gross margin and our return back in the long run to that 75% target that we have. But in the near term, which is a sense is where you're more interested, those one time factors being behind us in Q1, the build of business, particularly consumer electronics, which tends to be high gross margin business and semi also, and then scale going back and return a factory automation business.
spk11: Yeah, okay.
spk03: Okay, then my next question, I wanted to go back to consumer electronics. You know, let's flatish this year. You commented on uncertainty around project size and timing. I'm wondering, you know, there's not much innovation in phones and handsets these days, but the latest is implementation of AI features. And I'm wondering, you know, that's not a physical form factor change, but I'm wondering what you're referencing there in terms of these projects, whether the timing's tough, the phone, does AI have an influence on machine vision as it relates to consumer electronics?
spk12: Well, if we talk more about kind of the market customers and why we are excited about the long-term potential there, you know, this is a market that has waves of innovation that comes through it, right? And I think, you know, we're living through a couple of years where that innovation, you know, hasn't come through in products, but I'm very confident it will, right? And I think if we think of all the AI technology and chips that we're starting to see broadly, you know, released in the world, that's going to drive a whole generation of new products. It may be smartphones, it may be augmented reality, virtual reality also. And I think some of the spending and investment that we're seeing in Semi, you know, that we all understand, you know, will drive growth in that area. The second reason, you know, that I think, you know, I expect Cosmecs' business to grow is in just in the replacement of humans in the manufacturing of electronics, particularly smartphones. And I think the potential of that technology is so big. And, you know, as perhaps I've mentioned on occasion, just in hopes one of our customers spends over a billion dollars a year on human visual inspectors, right, so it gives you an idea, you know, the potential that exists to replace some of that with machine vision. And machine vision, when you look at our newest launches is becoming more human-like in what it can do. So in the long run, the potential for those in that industry and that kind of technology in that industry is very significant. I don't see that popping this year, right, you know, but I'm aware of kind of roadmaps from many companies in that industry and the exciting plans that they have. And, you know, we might get lucky and see some of it in the products that are launched ahead of the holidays this year. But I think at this point, we're assuming that maybe out in further years out for us.
spk11: Okay, thanks, Rob. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of P. Ushabasti with CDU Research. Please proceed with your question.
spk07: Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Good morning. Following up on your auto commentary, Rob, you have been very constructive on the E-Signals. The battery space, can you help us better understand on what surprised you? I understand some bigger projects being pushed out, but for EV battery investments in China, is that something for you guys as well?
spk12: So, yeah, I think for maybe on the order of six months now, we've started to see sort of concern around EV battery investment that it may be getting out a little ahead of demand in general in the world. And we've been working, we're working closely with really all the large EV battery manufacturers, I think, 10 of them I think really constitute most of the investment going on. And it's huge investment that's going on with the idea that this is a multi-year phenomenon, right? And there are two ways in which Cosmecs really benefits and can really help those customers and where we do very well. One is just helping them build out their capacity. And we've been working with customers in that area. And I would say, I can think of quite a few instances where those plans have been slowed down over the last six months and pushed out. Partly that's just to do with demand. Customers are not buying as many EVs as perhaps the industry had expected. And secondly, just uncertainty about the political environment and whether the subsidies that are being discussed for consumers who buy cars and for companies that invest in building out battery plants and EV plants, whether those are still going to be there. So I think that's that kind of concern. I think over the long term, EVs no doubt will have a larger and larger market share of automotive overall. There'll be waves of technology coming, whether that's the current cylindrical prismatic pouch technologies that we see moving more perhaps to solid state. So there are going to be waves of investment. Those are challenging technical problems to deal with. And we're certainly working closely with customers. And I think they recognize the value of our technology. But if there's building out of green fields, which is a challenge, the second area is just increasing the productivity of manufacturing batteries. And this is an area where CognX excels and particularly applying our computational optics technology, partly that we acquired with SAC, that we have more strength with MarTex to create fantastic, almost 3D images of battery surfaces and to inspect them, and then applying our deep learning and edge learning tools to those applications. And what that really allows, if I could sort of make it real for a moment, what that allows a customer to do is take an inspector surface and tell whether dents or scratches or the position of a defect on a battery is a problem and should lead it to be rejected or whether it's not a problem and the battery can pass through. And there's a very high scrap rate going on today, and there's a very high rate of human inspection going on at those surfaces. And one customer I visited over the last six months told me that they scrap $200,000 to $300,000 of good batteries per day, good batteries. They're throwing away because they're concerned about quality, and our technology can help reduce that significantly. So that's one example of where CognX technology can help that industry, and one of the reasons based on all the investment plans and all the challenges that we see, we're expecting long-term growth in that industry. Alex,
spk07: helpful. Next for my follow-up, like a two-part question. One, like we have been hearing a lot about India and the growth potential there. Maybe you have kind of mentioned India and Vietnam a couple of times, so maybe size the opportunity for us. And then on Japan, the yen has been under pressure, but you reiterated your 6% to 8% revenue contribution. From Moritex, maybe a little color there, but how the friends that you are seeing in the end markets, any concerns related to effects, that would be helpful.
spk12: Yeah, thanks. I'm mindful of the time, so I'm going to answer your question quickly. Please excuse me. India, huge opportunity. I visited regularly. I was there early in the first quarter, and just huge potential we see. We're building our business there. It's still a relatively small part of CognX overall, but the growth dynamics is probably one of our, if not our fastest growing market. The week yen creates some interesting dynamics. It certainly is helping the cost of goods for some of our competitors and helping their growth margins and making the strong dollar, in a way making the business environment more challenging for us. But we have great technology and a great team in Japan, and we're able to be competitive. I
spk07: appreciate all the color guys.
spk12: Thank you. Okay, I think we have time for one more question.
spk11: Yeah, our last question comes from the line of Jaram Nathan with Daiwa Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
spk06: Hi, thanks for taking my question. Just two of them. I wanted to do clarification first on the recurring revenue and the large project that you had on logistics. Are those the same things? And has the recurring revenue started flowing in, or is that a future business?
spk12: Yes, so that large project comes with a nice piece of regular recurring revenue, which is to do with our edge intelligence, allowing to extract huge value out of our vision data and manage our vision systems more effectively and build on a regular basis and tied to that large installation, where we took a lower price to get this technology embedded, and we're excited about that.
spk06: Okay, great. And finally, you're the biggest competitor. Do you equate revenue growth to employee's employee account increases? I understand if I look at sales per employee or marketing employee for you guys, for the emerging customer, it would not be as high as it is currently just because of the nature of large customers in your current mix. But when you look at – and I understand it's early days, but how is sales per employee on the emerging customer tracking? How do you expect it to track compared to the current average? Or is that one way you get to $15 million? And I'm just trying to understand what's the potential here.
spk12: Yeah, for competitive reasons, there's not necessarily data that we share at this point, but certainly, yes, emerging customers, we have much more modest expectations for them out of the gate. We expect to see good improvement. And obviously, our emerging customer initiative, we hope, will create salespeople, which will go on and manage larger accounts in the future, so a nice feeding ground for that. But certainly, it's going to dilute sales per salesperson in the initial years. Okay.
spk06: Do you think it will be high? They could do it. If I kind of look at your best emerging customer employee or salesperson, can you give us an idea of how they are tracking versus the average?
spk02: Yeah, John, this initiative will naturally ramp over time, and so we'll expect to see more revenue go on, but I think we're not going to give an actual number on what we expect for each of those heads versus a more tenured sales employee.
spk06: Okay. Thank you.
spk11: Thank you. And we have reached the end of the question and answer session. I'll now turn the call back over to Rob Willett for closing comments.
spk12: Well, thank you for joining us this morning. Thank you for your interesting questions. We've enjoyed talking with you, and we look forward to speaking with you again on next quarter's call. This concludes today's
spk11: conference, and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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