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spk00: Greetings.
spk03: Welcome to the CAHI Next Second Quarter 2024 earnings conference call. At this time, all participants are on a listen-only mode. A question and answer session will follow the full presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Nathan McCurran, head of Interest Relations. You may begin.
spk06: Thank you, operator. Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining us. Our press release was published yesterday after market close, and our quarterly report on farm 10Q for Q2 2024 was filed this morning. The press release, earnings presentation, and 10Q are available on the investor relations section of our website. Both our published materials and the call today will reference non-GAP measures. You can find a reconciliation of certain items from GAP to non-GAP in our press release and earnings presentation. Any forward-looking statements we made in the press release, the accompanying presentation posted to our website, or any that we may make during this call, are based upon information that was believed to be true as of today. Our actual results may differ from our projections due to the risks and uncertainties that are described in our SEC filings, including our most recent form 10K and form 10Q. On today's call, Rob Willis, Cognex's president and CEO, will discuss end market trends and provide an update on our strategic initiatives. Dennis Fair, Cognex's CFO, will discuss our second quarter financial results and will conclude with our outlook. With that, I'll turn
spk04: the call over to Rob. Thanks, Nathan. Hello, everyone, and thank you for joining us. In the second quarter, we delivered revenue and gross margin in line with our guidance. Revenue increased sequentially, driven by typical consumer electronics seasonality, excluding Maratex. Revenue was down year on year in total and across most of our factory automation and markets. This reflects a business environment that remains challenging but stable. Operating expenses were favorable to expectations and contributed to a sequential adjusted EBITDA margin increase of eight percentage points. This increase demonstrates the leverage our business delivers on incremental revenue and our continued focus on cost management. Earlier in the year, we were encouraged by positive signals in macro leading indicators, notably favorable PMI readings in March, while we also noted that EV demand remained uncertain. However, macro sentiment has now declined again and we have seen additional delays and reductions in EV projects. While most of our manufacturing customers remain cautious with their capex investment, positive momentum continues to build in logistics and semi. In Q2, we continued to execute against our strategic initiatives. We drove innovation by incorporating AI into more of our products, and we continued to grow our emerging customer initiative. I now want to provide you with an update on our product innovation. We're focused on infusing new AI into all our product launches to drive adoption by more customers. Early in the second quarter, we expanded the application of our edge learning technology by launching the Insight L38, the world's first AI enabled 3D industrial vision system. This product, which we introduced to you on our last call, has been very well received by customers with a win rate over two times higher than our previous 3D offering. We also launched our new modular vision tunnel, which introduces AI into logistics tunnel reading. The speed, power, and AI assisted decoding of this new tunnel contributes significantly to its industry leading performance. Within our ID products, we've enhanced the setup and tuning process for our data man barcode readers by using AI and ensuring great results. Our added tuning functionality selects the best parameters to optimize read rates. We're now using AI to help our customers by auto-tuning the best settings for light exposure filters and dynamic range, which come together in combination to read barcodes more effectively. We've also launched new apps that bring additional capabilities to our Insight Snap sensor. We recently introduced a new counting app, which counts objects using AI, even in highly chaotic themes. For example, the tool can count how many screws are in a pile of screws, nuts, and other objects. This task previously required linking many tools together using complex programming, which limited its use to sophisticated engineers. As we continue to execute our AI driven product strategy, we will incorporate AI into more products, making them easier to use and able to solve applications in a more intuitive and human-like way. To reach a broader customer base with our latest technology, we continue to invest in our emerging customer initiative. Our 2023 cohort of emerging customer sales noise has driven strong customer activity in the first half of the year and is on target to meet or exceed 80,000 customer visits in 2024. This activity has resulted in steadily increasing monthly bookings through the first half of the year. We're pleased to see them getting traction as they're calling on and winning large numbers of new customers. In addition to selling our easier to use products, our emerging customer sales noise are generating strong referrals for our more sophisticated vision products, leading to new opportunities for our account sales engineers. While we are pleased with the activity and the funnel creation we're seeing from our emerging customer team, this initiative is focused on factory automation customers who are in end markets where we're seeing prolonged macro softness. This market softness is impacting sales more than we had anticipated. So we now expect it will take longer for the first cohort of emerging customer sales noise to deliver incremental revenue of $50 million. While the revenue ramp on this initiative is taking longer, our emerging customer team continues to steadily increase monthly bookings and we remain confident that the high level of activity we're seeing will deliver increasing levels of success. The orders we are seeing reinforce our confidence in this initiative being gross margin accretive to our mid 70s target. We are continuing to execute on our emerging customer initiative. Our 2024 cohort of trainees is now in training and will enter the field at the start of 2025. Turning now to what we're seeing across our end markets, which you will find on slide six of the earnings presentation. I will discuss the end market results excluding the contribution of MarTex. End markets have been mixed as we have seen both continued weakness as well as pockets of accelerated growth. Starting with automotive, revenue was down both year on year and sequentially. We continue to see delays and scaling back of EV battery projects, which led to a revenue decline year on year in the second quarter. Additionally, we saw a further step down in our broader automotive business, particularly in Europe. We are seeing more tentativeness from auto customers driven by concern around near term and user demand and political uncertainty. While we've seen a slowdown in Greenfield and discretionary productivity projects, we still see a baseline of maintenance and product upgrades on existing lines. We also continue to expect our EV battery business to be a growth driver over the long term. Moving on to logistics. In the first half of the year, logistics achieved strong double digit revenue growth year on year, and we expect growth to continue in the back half of the year. We saw growth across this business, including large e-commerce customers, parcel and post customers, and across our base logistics business globally. We believe logistics is well positioned to grow as automation penetration increases and e-commerce investment returns. Consumer electronics revenue was down year on year. Q2 of 2023 included $50 million of revenue that shifted forward from Q3. This year, we again expect consumer electronics revenue to be more heavily weighted to Q2, but to a lesser extent than in 2023. Consumer electronics has positive long-term trends, but we continue to have tempered expectation for investment in 2024. Semi had strong momentum in the quarter with significant year on year growth. Coming off a down year in 2023, we're now seeing strong growth. Customers are making significant investments in high bandwidth memory to support growth in AI. We're optimistic over the long term that we can see a strong return to growth in Semi as projects to localize chip production and to further support big AI investments which the automation phase. Let me now hand it over to Dennis to walk you through more of the financial results and the outlook for the third quarter.
spk13: Thank you, Rob. I will walk through our financial highlights which you can see on page seven of our earnings presentation posted to the website. Second quarter revenue of $239 million declined alignments guidance by 1% year on year, including a contribution from MoriTech of 7% of total revenue. Excluding MoriTech and the 1% foreign exchange headwind revenue declined 7%. From a geographic viewpoint, excluding MoriTech, year on year revenue growth was mostly stable across all regions except China, which declined for the seventh consecutive quarter. America grew slightly in the quarter, driven by strong performance in logistics. Outside of logistics, the broader factory automation business experience continued softness, leading to slight declines in Europe and other Asia, excluding China. Turning to margin. Adjusted gross margin was .3% in Q2 in line with guidance and down from .3% a year ago. Gross margin included a two percentage point dilution effect from MoriTech. There was also a negative mix impact due to the strength in logistics and lower consumer electronics revenue. Sequentially, adjusted gross margin increased given the 1.6 percentage points of unfavorable one-time events in the first quarter on the strategic logistics project with long-term higher margin recurring revenue. Adjusted operating expenses increased 8% year on year and were flat sequentially, which was favorable to our guidance. The year on year increase was driven by MoriTech. Increased investment in our emerging customer initiative and the headwind in incentive compensation from the lower bonus achievement accrual in 2023. We remain very disciplined on cost management in the current business environment. Excluding MoriTech and emerging customer initiative, this cost optimization resulted in a 1% year on year reduction in adjusted OPEX despite incentive compensation headwinds. Adjusted EBITDA margin was .9% in Q2, down from .1% a year ago. This was driven by a lower gross margin and the higher investment in emerging customers, partially offset by the positive contribution of the MoriTech acquisition, which remained accretive to adjusted EBITDA margin. Adjusted EBITDA margin increased by over 8% point sequentially, driven by the seasonal 14% increase in revenue and flat OPEX. This over 60% incremental EBITDA margin demonstrates how quickly our margins can ramp its revenue growth when actively managing costs. Deluted earnings per share on a gap basis was 21 cents, down year on year due to lower operating margins and higher acquisition and amortization costs. Sequentially, gap diluted EPS increased 200%. Adjusted diluted EPS was 23 cents, down 10 cents year on year and up 11 cents sequentially. The adjusted effective tax rate was 15% in both Q2 2024 and Q2 of 23. Turning to the balance sheet. Cardnix continues to have a strong cash position with $555 million in cash and investment and no debt. Free cash low in Q2 was $23 million compared to $25 million a year ago, reflecting lower gap net income, partially offset by lower working capital investment. You returned $23 million to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks and dividends. I will now turn to our outlook for the third quarter. In the third quarter, we expect revenue between $225 and $240 million. This range reflects a soft but stable market backdrop with strength in select end markets but continuous weakness in our broader factory automation business. It also includes a slight step down sequentially driven by seasonal consumer electronics revenue more heavily weighted to Q2 this year. I will remind you that last year, $50 million of consumer electronics revenue that you originally expected in the third quarter of 2023 shifted into Q2. We expect the Moritax business to contribute 10 to 12% of revenue in Q3. This is higher than the typical six to 8% of revenue as Q3 will include an extra month of Moritax financial. This is the catch up as we have reported Moritax on a one month lag as we integrate the business. Our Q4 2023 financials included only six weeks of Moritax results despite Cotnick owning the business for about 10 weeks. After Q3 2024, Moritax will be on the same close schedule as the rest of Cotnick. Adjusting for the timing of consumer electronics revenue in 2023 and excluding Moritax, revenue is expected to be flat to slightly down year on year. For the third quarter, we expect adjusted gross margin of slightly below 70%. The gross margin impact of Moritax is expected to be approximately three percentage points in the quarter due to the additional month of financials. Excluding this one time catch up, adjusted gross margin would be down slightly sequentially driven by the seasonal step down and consumer electronics revenue. As we discussed previously, expect an incremental $25 million of emerging customer OPEX for the full year, which is ramping through our 2024 similar to the investment made in 2023. Historically, we have provided guidance on our operating expense in the upcoming quarter. To increase clarity and to better reflect our focus on the bottom line, instead we'll begin guiding to adjusted EBITDA margin. We expect adjusted EBITDA margin between 16 and 19%. The midpoint of this range is aligned with the prior year, which reflects positive operating leverage and fair revenue and strict cost management, offset by additional investment in the emerging customer initiative and incentive comp admins. I would now like to take some time to touch on a few key areas I've identified and will be focusing on to drive long-term value creation at Cognac. Throughout my first 90 days at CFO, I've completed a thorough 360 degree view of the company, gathering a large amount of feedback from customers, employees and shareholders. I've combined this feedback that's Rob's strategic direction for the company and three main priorities have emerged. The first is driving profitability and guiding adjusting operating margins back towards our long-term target of over 30%. As CFO, I will be focused on supporting long-term revenue growth by championing initiatives to rationalize cost. Second, there's an opportunity to increase our capital efficiency to optimizing the working capital needs of the business and to refine our capital allocation strategy. Lastly, I will continue to prioritize enhancing our investor communication. We will be planning an investor day in the first half of 2025 with the primary objective of clearly messaging our past to achieve our long-term financial framework. I am excited about the point in time at which I'm joining Cognac. While we're operating in a challenging but stable business environment, we're encouraged by the positive momentum and logistics and we believe the progress we are making on our strategic initiatives keeps us well positioned to capitalize on exciting industry trends when the operating environment improves more broadly. Now we will open the call for questions. Operator,
spk03: please
spk13: go ahead.
spk03: Thank you. At this time, we will be conducting a question and answer session. If you would like to ask a question, please press star one on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate your line is in the question queue. You may press star two if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick it up in your handset before pressing the star key. One moment please while we call for questions. Our first question comes from the line of Andrew Vastalia with B&P Paribas. Please proceed with your question. Hi, good morning guys. Good morning, Andrew. Good morning.
spk05: Yeah, so I just wanted to first ask on with the emerging customer initiative. You know, some of the conversations with customers, with customers you're having that, you know, informs you guys pushing out that expectation for revenue this year. And again, just to reiterate, you're expecting 25 million now in 2025. And can you maybe talk about how that splits between Q3, Q4?
spk04: Okay, so just to level that, I think your second point relates to cost, right? I'll let Dennis speak to that. I think your first body of question really relates to kind of demand. And, you know, we're seeing really nice traction in terms of getting the team out into the field and the activity that they're seeing. But we are seeing a softness in some of the end markets that they're serving. So, you know, this is kind of a period of prolonged macro softness that we've seen in factory automation in general. So we now expect it will take longer for the first cohort of emerging customer sales in order to deliver the incremental revenue of 50 million that we spoke about. Specifically, automotive and packaging end markets, such as consumer products, food and beverage, tend to be pretty highly correlated with the macro leading indicators like PMI. And those have kind of remained persistently low. They're stable, but they're softer than we expected. So as our team is going out there, really pleased with the activity that we're seeing. We're just seeing a slowness in spend among those customers that's slower than we had anticipated.
spk13: On the OPEC side, we continue to see a 25 million increase year over year, that is unchanged to what we have said previously. 25 million is ramping throughout the year, right? So as we're bringing on the next cohort, the ramp up of the OPEC was weighted towards the second half of the year. And so in that regard, you can model that and increase throughout the quarters. Okay.
spk05: Okay, and then maybe just turning to some of the end markets. It sounds like maybe consumer electronics a little bit weaker than you thought versus three months ago. Can you talk about what changed there and then any expectations in 2025 around device upgrades, maybe helping influence some volumes there?
spk04: Yes. So I think the overall sense would be this more uncertainty in consumer electronics. That is our observation. Some context following what was a 31% decline in 2023, consumer electronics remains soft with slow end user demand and particular weakness in China. We've tempered expectations for consumer electronics in 2024. And we still have certain uncertainty around project size and timing. Our customers remain cautious with investment in productivity initiatives to automate manual inspection tasks. And we expect limited investment in 2024 from customers planning to invest capital to diversify their supply chains. So all of those factors, I would say, kind of are probably underlying what seems like continued softness in that market that hasn't returned to the strong growth we expect to see at some point going forward. On that note, analysts forecast weak APEX forecast this year for the important players who are our large customers. And they're more optimistic about 2025, I would point that out. I think one dynamic of note is that among the large share smartphone players, one that is gained share is one that we are not allowed to sell to for regulatory reasons. And I'd also just point out that the weakness that we see in our electronics businesses broad base is not focused on one customer or region. All
spk03: right, thanks, Rob. Thanks. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Tommy Law with Dean and Nate. Please proceed with your question.
spk09: Good morning and thank you for taking my questions. Good morning, Tommy. Good morning. Rob, I wanted to start on logistics. It sounds like the positive trends are fairly broad based. I was particularly interested in the e-commerce cycle where it seems like maybe we've turned a corner, but to the extent you can give more insight, that would be helpful, particularly just any momentum that may be gathering there as the year has progressed. Thanks.
spk04: Yeah, thanks. Certainly logistics is a bright spot for us. I think we see all this on the last conference call and that has continued to strengthen now as we look out. And the positive signs we're seeing are pretty broad based, not just in e-commerce and not necessarily specific to big customers or the base. We're just seeing all of it is up materially now, was in the second quarter. And logistics grew strong double digits in the first half of 2024. And we expect the business to continue to grow in the second half. New customer activity is strong with many of these customers having the potential to become large contributors over time. And our customers are beginning to embrace vision technology and edge intelligence, the technology that allows them to manage the data coming out of our vision systems to provide them with much more knowledge about the operating environment. And we're doing a nice job further penetrating the parcel and post sector. That's a market we're targeting for growth and it's gonna be a long road because those specifications go out and you win them. And sometimes it can be two years later that the revenue starts to come in, but we're pleased with our progress winning the specification of some of the larger players in parcel and post. I also talked in the opening announcement about modular vision tunnels, which really are allowing that business to deploy for large customers, for customers larger tunnels more quickly, more scalably, more efficiently and bring in new technology and features into that part of the market very quickly. So yeah, it's board-based, it's not just e-commerce, it's not just large or small customers, it's pretty global overall and we're making nice progress penetrating parcel and post. So we're feeling
spk13: good. And we add to that that just from a revenue recognition timing keep in mind that logistics is a project-based business and much less a -to-ship business. So therefore I expect from the P&L perspective just to be more lumpy in the P&L and also that there is some time difference between
spk09: bookings and revenue. Thank you for the clarification and the insight. As a follow-up, I wanted to circle back on, Rob, your commentary regarding the base auto business. Sounds like the bulk of the weakness maybe in Europe, but if you can just give us any context on the European versus US trends there and again, what some of the drivers are on the base side. Thank you.
spk04: Yes, so automotive in 2023 was our best performing market. It did decline, but only mid single digits and it's declined more year on year in the first half of 24 than it did last year. And the weakness is across traditional ICE business and EV battery with EV battery really being, I'd say the most kind of disappointing for us or slowest in terms of biggest decline. We still, we add a lot of value to EV battery production, but the end demand from customers is not there around a lot of uncertainty in the near term. Auto is a cyclical end market. It grew nicely in 21 and 22. In addition, some of the big players can drive some of the plans on investment. In terms of your question on sort of regional, I would say, we definitely see softness in China. That's certainly one of the big areas of softness we see. And Europe also is looking weaker on the automotive side. So there's the two pockets of weakness I would certainly point out to in addition to EV battery. Thank you, Rob, I'll turn it back.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Joe Giordano with Cowan & Company. Please proceed with your question. Good morning, this is Michael on for Joe.
spk04: Good morning, Michael.
spk13: Good morning.
spk11: I think just providing some color on the end markets, but could you just on like on a solar basis, particularly on like the auto side and consumer electronics, what's based, baked into guidance for the ER from a growth perspective?
spk04: Generally, we don't give full year guidance. And certainly not by end market. I think, if I was to sort of point you in trying to understand some of those markets, certainly on automotive, I think we looked PMI, we looked to capex spending kind of reducing in that area. We looked to some of the project cancellations that we're seeing particularly around EV. So I think some of those are the leading indicators that we definitely see manifest in our customers. And our sales funnel. Concerning consumer electronics, I think I spoke a little bit about that in the first answer, but I would, I think if we look at the capex plans that our larger customers have, analysts have forecast weak capex forecast this year, but I'm more optimistic about next year. So I would look to that.
spk13: Right, and in general, maybe think really of that automotive is overall the softest markets which we're in and seeing the most headwinds overall there. I think on the consumer electronics, want to repoint to the topic that at the moment, we see that uncertainty in terms of project size and timing, therefore we have rather tempered expectation on that side for this year. There's a more positive outlook in 2025 based on analyst reports.
spk11: Thanks, that's helpful. And just one more, if I may, you're guiding gross margins slightly below 70% or so for next quarter, how much of that is attributed to the more tax dilution? And just curious, you had mentioned mix and then sort of the press release as a headwind. Any color there would be great, thank you.
spk13: Yeah, I'm happy to take that. So overall, all right with the additional month of more tax included in the Q3 financials, we're seeing a 3% dilution effect for more tax versus our typical 2% dilution in tax. And that regard, really the large share of that step down is driven by more tax, but certainly also there is also the revenue step down in consumer electronics from the second quarter into the third quarter. And therefore there's also a negative mix effect happening on that side.
spk03: Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Piyush Abbasi with Citi, please proceed with your question.
spk12: Good morning guys, thanks for taking my questions.
spk05: Good morning.
spk12: Good morning. Rob, I wanna go back to the emerging customer initiative. You guys talked about a slower software ramp in bookings revenue, maybe drill down a bit more. I think we understand the end market dynamics, but is it all that or has it been a challenge to push pricing as well? I'm assuming as you reduce the complexity of your products, there could be products from less sophisticated competitors at a lower price point. Do you see that as a challenge or it's just basically a market dynamics?
spk04: I don't see that as a challenge at all, no. I think it's probably a truism that smaller customers generally pay higher prices, they have less negotiating ability. We talked that this initiative, we expect it to be gross margin, equities. And so that's not our challenge. The challenge is really just about spending habits at the many, many customers they're going to. And I think it might tell us something about spending at smaller customers, which is primarily where these sales points are calling and just not seeing the funnel convert as quickly as we would expect. And it's a phenomenon we see broadly, not just among our emerging customer players at the smaller accounts or the larger accounts. In general, I think what we
spk13: see is the smaller OPEC, smaller Carpex projects are moving forward, but with size to larger Carpex projects is basically where customers are very tempted to have at this moment.
spk12: Got it, helpful. And from a geographic perspective, helpful comments on 2Q. In context of your pre-Q guidance, are you expecting similar trends as 2Q? I think there is some seasonality, but other than that, any region where you are more or less concerned?
spk13: I mean, in general, we have been talking about that, we have the seventh consecutive quarter in China being down. And I think in general, I think we see the trend to be continuing. And that's regard in terms of the regional allocation, I would say China, Europe, Rob pointed to that, especially on the automotive side, other two areas which are to the weaker side, but then America's basically on a better path. Got it, I appreciate all the color guys, thank you.
spk03: Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Jacob Levinson with Melius Research. Please proceed
spk01: with your question. Good morning, everyone. Welcome, Dennis. Good morning, Jason. Good morning. I know medical is a market that doesn't get a lot of air time usually, but I'm just curious if you can help us understand the drivers there. And I know certain parts of that world have been, have had some COVID, post-COVID headwinds, but it's what you're seeing now really more function of higher rates. And also if you can just remind us of the size of that business as well, that'd be helpful.
spk04: Yeah, I'll start out there. We know what we're seeing in that market. We're seeing slower spending in that market too. And I think what we, and I know other players in that market are seeing is very large inventories that were built up at customers during COVID that are being depleted over time. So I think that's what's causing that market to be down. We have good positions with some of the larger medical players and we're happy with our win rates in those areas and then we're having design wins still in our life science business, but the underlying rate of demand in that market continues to be low. And then
spk13: maybe in terms of the overall market strength or market ratio, right, so we include that in this what we call the others, but part of that share. And I would say there are several markets included in that others and the medical pharmaceutical doesn't take all of the specific size compared to other markets in this other bucket.
spk01: Okay, that's helpful. And then just on a different topic and with more attacks and you've had that deal under your belt for a few quarters now and if I recall correctly, it's probably at least apply on the Japanese market and trying to expand your position there, but maybe you can just walk us through the puts and takes of the deal so far and if it's tracking your expectation.
spk04: Yeah, we're pleased with how that acquisition is going with the asset that we bought and the progress we're making. We generally don't speak to the performance of the business product line, but I can confirm that the investment thesis we had when acquiring the company is well supported. The business has a significant portion of its revenue within semi and consumer electronics. So that's certainly the semi side is helping and it's really building the percentage of our businesses exposed to semi, which we're feeling positive about that market and what we're seeing in it going forward. The integration is going well and to your point, we're excited about the experience management we've acquired who are now leading the integrated business of Maratex and Cognix in Japan. So we have that. We see significant revenue synergy opportunities and right now we're executing very well on that with the Cognix Salesforce selling the Maratex products and more of them in the pipeline to come. And cost synergies are right where we expected them to be or a little bit better. So overall, we're positive there. I would also add that we're very pleased with the quality of engineering that we've acquired with Maratex really just world-class optics, people who are able to accelerate some of our product lines our product introductions around optics. So overall, yeah, we're
spk13: very positive. Same here, we've been from the light side stepping into the role and taking a fresh look at the deal. I think very positive deal economics, very positive in terms of performance against the original metrics and deal assumptions which we have good progress on the integration side. So overall, it's really a nice success story.
spk01: That's
spk03: great, thank you. I'll pass it on. Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of James Rechudi with Needham and Company. Please proceed with your question.
spk10: Thanks, good morning. Does the relative contribution of the Maratex business increase for the year just as it relates to the overall weakness you're seeing and the broader factor automation business you've given earlier in the year, you gave some census to what it could represent of revenues. It sounds like it potentially could be a little higher than that.
spk13: I mean, in general, I think what we see right particularly for three years due to this integration reason the catch up on the closed schedules that the Maratex revenue is higher than what we would typically expect. Overall, as we just mentioned, the Maratex performance is really in times of what we expected and we feel very positive about that. I wouldn't say so in general, but I guess kind of increasing the overall perspective on the revenue contribution or the share of the overall business.
spk10: And just pivoting to the emerging customer initiative. So originally you had thought, Rob, I guess that it could add as much as 50 million of incremental revenue. When you were thinking about that kind of target, how back half weighted was that? Are you making any changes in the way you're thinking about this initiative as well as the timing of when the next group of salespeople come online?
spk04: Well, we're still in the early stages of this program. This is a multi-year initiative to really take our edge learning technology particularly, which is kind of world-class to customers who can benefit from it. So I think it's a start with that context. We said we serve about 30,000 customers and there are more than 200,000 customers who are now addressable with the edge learning technology, products like our Insight 2800 series. And so this team is coming in to sell those products and we're pretty excited about the pipeline we have and then more products we can have them sell over time. Now, they joined us about a year ago and they trained and then they entered the field at the start of last year in Q1 and they're ramping nicely. Every month they're selling more and they're achieving what we expect in terms of customer visits. So we've said to meet or exceed 80,000 customer visits this year. So all that is looking good. And we expect them to ramp a quarter on quarter as we keep going here. And that's certainly borne out with what we see now. The challenge we're seeing is that the end markets are a little less responsive to them than we expected. But we're not dissuaded by that at all. We're very, very positive about when those accounts spend, we're gonna see the benefit from it. We recruited the second cost, right? And they're pretty much all here. I think maybe a few have yet to start. But so it's basically the second large cohort is in training. We're excited about the products and that they're getting trained on. And we're learning, we're learning through this process. We're learning about how to manage them, how to deploy them, how to train them. And so we expect learning curve effects from that as we keep going. And that's really everything going to plan, I would say in that regard. It really is just a matter of the end user demand we're seeing at some of these customers. I would also say they are signing up lots of new customers every month, which is a great, that's a great metric. That's where we headed out to start for us. So happy to see that kind of level of penetration going on. And it's increasing every month also.
spk13: And then just from the revenue ramp, originally we thought definitely that, right, this initiative will ramp throughout the year. And that's what we are still seeing in terms of the bookings, that basically month over month, we're seeing an increase in the bookings. But as kind of the Microsoft is out there, it's certainly kind of shifting that ramp rate more to the right. And that will basically impact what we think about the second half of the year in terms of booking and revenue generated from this initiative.
spk04: Maybe one other area we look at closely is this team obviously is calling on new customers and they're finding opportunities for our more sophisticated products. So certainly part of the benefit that they bring to Cognix is only extra opportunities they bring to our account sales engineers. And that's also going well in terms of what we're seeing as sort of an additional marketing arm for us in many respects.
spk10: Is this effort mainly in the Americas or how would those compare to the rest of the business geographically? Or is it as broad an effort?
spk04: Well, it's a global initiative, right? So we have emerging customer sales noise in all of our major regions, Asia, Europe and America. And yeah, so I think broadly in line with that is how to think about it. We don't wanna disclose specific markets just for competitive reasons.
spk10: Understood, thank you.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Guy Hardwick with Freedom Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question.
spk02: Hi, good morning. Good morning. Robert, just wondering, you referenced analyst forecasts for electronics company CapEx to explain why consumer electronics is down year on year. But what about semis? Because analyst forecasts still forecast semi-CapEx down to say low single digits last year after say double digits down last year. But Cognac seems to be bucking that trend and you said there's strong growth in semis. So can you explain which region or any particular type of customers which are growing strongly?
spk04: Yeah, thanks. So a semi business is doing well, grew meaningfully year on year. It's grown over two times over our long-term growth target for this business. So we're for our business. So we're happy about how that's going. I think I would point to a number of areas to answer your question. One is kind of high bandwidth memory, which is really essential to all the trip production plans for these big data centers that are getting built out for large language models and AI. So I think we're certainly benefiting from exposure to those customers. Remember, we're the most sophisticated industrial vision company in the world. So the most sophisticated customer is deploying them. We're likely to be more weighted to that type of exposure. And yeah, I think otherwise, it's pretty global in nature. We're seeing improvement in all our regions as we look at that. I would also point though, second point would be, we've been hearing for a long time investments to globalize and diversify the semi supply chain are underway. And so you may be hearing that plants are being built in various geographies. And generally, vision and automation are part of it. Anyways, getting spec pretty near the end of that time. So you're likely to see our business is gonna be benefiting as new plants are starting to come online and the last parts of the capital is being deployed. So that might account for some of the difference in timing and what the capex forecast that the industry might say, and what you might see from us. Our customers tend to be some of the most famous OEMs and machine builders in that industry. So certainly as we tend to benefit as they see their demand grow. And that's kind of what we would tend to look at in terms of what's growing going on in that market.
spk02: Okay, now, if just a quick follow up, if I may. Just Robert, just wondering how you're feeling about that's greater than 75% gross margin from ECI revenues. And obviously it's a creative, but what is some of the guard rails around that? Why can't it be higher? Why not 80% given it's all direct and it's largely to small and medium sized customers? Can you give us kind of a sense of, can that change either way going forward?
spk04: We feel good about it. We certainly expect it to be a creative to the 75% gross margin. There are certainly products that they sell that are higher gross margin than that. And then there's some competitive areas, more like simple barcode reading, which can tend to drag gross margins down. But overall, we're very positive about the gross margin impact to the emerging customer initiative on Cognix with those direct sales of particularly AI products, which are amazing technology and command high gross margins. Okay, thank you.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Keith Howsam with North Coast Research. Please proceed with your question.
spk14: Good morning guys, I appreciate it. Dennis and welcome aboard. In terms of your priorities here going forward, you mentioned returning to the 30% operating margins. Is there any, I guess, low hanging fruit that you're seeing on the cost side that perhaps can accelerate your move there over the next three to six months?
spk13: Yeah, thanks. In general, I think we started already in this quarter, but also kind of over the last 12 months to really put a tight look to all OPECs outside of the emerging customer initiative. In that regard, we will continue down these paths and maybe to give you a bit more sense. That means we're looking both on the discretionary side, but also kind of looking at areas where we can reduce headcounts and we'll continue to doing so. That means we reduced OPECs year on year 1% despite incentive compadments. I just want to remind that we have 15 to 20 million of incentive compadments in this year resulting from the lower bonus accrual last year. And obviously, we will continue to drive on the OPEC side. I would however really say like cost management is an important level, but no doubt the strongest level which we have to return to the greater than 30% on the volume side. I think it's very clearly we have business living from leverage as we have seen kind of in the sequential increase from the first quarter into the second quarter. And the cost management is really supporting of that. And therefore, we look really at profitable growth. And it's not just through cost management, but it's an important aspect. Great,
spk14: I appreciate that. Just as a follow up or a second question here, any change in the competitive environment over the past several months that is contributing to some of the headwinds that we're seeing here over the next year, the rest of the year? I would
spk04: say in general, the answer to that question is no. But in terms of competition, as you look at our competitors, some of them are very different than asked in terms of we compete with a small part of that business and they would sell other things like microscopes and PLCs. It is any kind of change that isn't quarter specific, but I think it's kind of a long term trend is I think we're seeing stronger competition for machine vision players in China and weaker competition from European competitors overall. That's the trend that I think is we watched very closely and are pretty aware of. Great, thank you.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Damian Carwitz with UBS. Please proceed with your question.
spk08: Hi, good morning everyone.
spk03: Good morning. Good morning.
spk08: I was wondering if there's any way you might be able to just give us a little bit better sense for the level of growth you've seen in the first half in logistics and in the next few months. And semiconductors like logistics up double digits mean 10%, 100%, any way you could just hone in on that a little bit.
spk13: Yeah, what we've been saying is strong double digits so that means more than 10%. Certainly would not go into all the specifics, but basically I think we have been saying in the past that right at the market where we expect to grow long term is 30% and I think we're definitely looking and pushing hard to get back to that 30% number and I think we feel in general optimistic that the growth which we have seen in the first half of the year in logistics will continue in the second half of the year on a year over year basis.
spk04: Yeah, and then you also asked about semi and I think I added that semi's grown more than two times long-term growth target for this business. So it's growing nicely.
spk08: That's
spk04: helpful, thank you.
spk08: And you thinking about some of the dilutive margin impacts you guys have talked previously about more attacks. I was wondering just thinking about the kind of the spread between the higher margin parts of your business and the lower. Is there any way you can give us a sense kind of for that spread just trying to think about logistics being stronger right now, consumer electronics being weaker. Appreciate any color you might be able to provide, thanks.
spk13: Yeah, maybe in general, right? So that means I think important maybe to reflect on the comment I did before that the strongest leverage we have to get back to adjust the operating margin of above 30% is on the volume side. And then that regard, right? There's certainly a mixed consideration as well on the gross profit where certainly growing in consumer electronics would help on the mixed side whereas growing in logistics or growing in more attacks would not help us in gross profit mix, but it definitely helps us on driving the bottom line. So in that regard, I think we're really very positive about what we are seeing on the logistics side. We are very positive about the development we see on the more attacks and then semi. So all of that growth is really helping us to drive bottom line even though it may be more ahead in terms of gross margin mix, but it's absolutely a creative to the bottom line.
spk04: And I'm just gonna look back to the emerging customer initiative, we certainly see that as being a gross margin creative first overall. And I may have confused people earlier on the call if I reflect on my comments. So the market is very receptive to our emerging customer program, right? We're getting out there, we're making a lot of sales calls as we talked about and we're reaching new customers and selling to them at high gross margins. So all of that is positive. The challenge that we're flagging is just broadly across Cognac, not specific to emerging customers, but in general at factory automation, we're just seeing slower spending. And that really applies to a lot of customers, including those that are emerging customers are calling on.
spk08: Understood, thank you very much.
spk03: Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Ken Newman, we keep a capital market. Please proceed with your question.
spk07: Hey, good morning guys, thanks for fitting me in. Sorry to be the dead horse, but I do wanna circle back to the electronics upgrades for some of your larger customers. It does sound like you expect that to be a 25 impact on timing. Could you just remind us, when are you typically tapped by those customers before production goes live? And I guess as a follow on, do you have a sense of how much of that production is gonna require new hardware versus maybe retrofitting some existing capacity? I'm just trying to get a sense of how large an opportunity a refresh could be for you.
spk04: Yes, we normally have a clear picture on what kind of year it's gonna be, and we share that with you in normally our April or early May conference call when we report out from the first quarter. We work closely with
spk08: the
spk04: lead players and they have plans that they're right now in the stage of kind of experimenting with piloting and considering what their plans are for the year, that we're in that period. And then that normally solidifies into a production plan and a build out as we go into, as we enter, and that's when we can give you a good read in the spring. And then the other thing obviously that can drive that are new devices, right, obviously. So that's, it's both new features that we see and whether the new features make it into the production round for the year and then new products themselves. And those may be in the area of different form factors in the area of such things as virtual reality, augmented reality, AI type devices. I think another area obviously that we do expect to drive machine vision sales going forward in that market is the replacement of human visual inspectors. And there I would say that the technology is gonna get there, but the uptake I think is a little slower than we would have expected in terms of using that technology. But I think we do expect in years to come, that'll be an area where the payback is very good for these players and our machine vision will make a big difference. So that'll be sort of another variable as we look at the spending plans and our opportunity next year.
spk13: Then just maybe on the timing piece, how that reflects in the P&L, right? So we see definitely a shift in terms of the seasonality, right, in the past we have seen consumer electronics starting to ramp in the first quarter and then second and the third quarter to be a high quarter almost on an equal level and fourth quarter has been always like the
spk00: weakest
spk13: quarter in the consumer electronics seasonality. We have seen now last year and also this year is that Q3 is shifting or volume from Q3 is shifting forward into Q2. That means like Q2 is not really the strongest quarter and that's part of what we're seeing on the step down from Q2 to Q3 in our revenue numbers. And then there's another step down happening from Q3 to Q4. So that means when you think about general seasonality, you think about the second half of this year and also kind of about timing next year and really think about that the seasonality is shifting with staying, but the staying is the fourth quarter, is the weakest, the low quarter in the consumer electronics seasonality.
spk07: Got it. That's very helpful. Maybe for just one last one. I know it's a smaller part of your consolidated revenue, but I am curious if you have any comments on what you're seeing through your distribution channel partners, are they asking for less inventories versus last quarter or just any color on how they're thinking about the changes and pull through rates going forward?
spk04: Yes, the partners really we work with are providing integration services really for customers. So I think they're certainly seeing tentativeness on committing to new deployments right now, although some they work on for some time. It's important to understand at Cognix, we very much don't want our distributors to hold inventory. We wanna supply them and we do very quickly so they can fulfill and they can use their cash to invest on growing the business, not buying our inventory. So compared to most of the other companies you might cover, there really isn't a lot of latency and inventory at our distribution channels. Very
spk03: helpful, thank you. Thank you. We have reached the end of the question and answer session and I'll turn the call back over to Rob Willett for a close report.
spk04: Well, I wanna thank you for joining us this morning on the call and we look forward to speaking with you on next quarter's call.
spk03: Bye bye. This concludes today's conference and you may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation.
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