Conduent Incorporated

Greetings. Welcome to the Conduint Q1 2025 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. The question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. If anyone should require operator assistance during the conference, please press star zero on your telephone keypad. Please note this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, David Chen, VP of Investor Relations. Thank you. You may begin.

Thank you, operator, and thanks everyone for joining us today to discuss Conduint's first quarter 2025 earnings. I am joined today by Cliff Skelton, our president and CEO, and Giles Goodburn, our CFO. This call is being webcast, and a copy of the slides used during this call, as well as the press release, were filed with the SEC this morning on Form 8K. This information, as well as the detailed financial metrics package, are available on the Investor Relations section of the Conduint website. During this call, we may make statements that are forward-looking. These forward-looking statements reflect management's current beliefs, assumptions, and expectations, and are subject to a number of factors that may cause actual results to differ materially from those statements. Information concerning these factors is included in Conduint's annual report on Form 10K filed with the SEC. We do not intend to update these forward-looking statements as a result of new information or future events or developments, except as required by law. The information presented today includes non-GAAP financial measures. Because these measures are not calculated in accordance with U.S. GAAP, they should be viewed in addition to and not as a substitute for the company's reported results. For more information regarding definitions of our non-GAAP measures and how we use them, as well as the limitations to their usefulness for comparative purposes, please see our press release. And now I would like to turn the call over to Cliff.

Thank you, David. You've just heard a new voice, and David Chen, our new head of Investor Relations. David has been with the company for a few years and also heads up our mergers and acquisitions team. Given the continuation of our portfolio rationalization efforts, we thought a strong connection between M&A and IR was important. So welcome, David. Now, as you can tell already, you'll also hear the voice of Giles Goodburn, our former head of IR and FP&A, who now succeeds Steve Wood as our chief financial officer. Steve has done a great work over the last four years, has been a critical confidant to me, and has been preparing Giles for this position along the way as his successor. I'd like to thank Steve for his hard work, wise counsel, and strong leadership as he moves on to another phase in his career. As always, I'll preamble the quarter, turn it over to Giles for the detailed numbers, and I'll close with some strategic thinking on why we feel optimistic in what some may call uncertain times. Let me start by saying Q1 represented a strong start to the year for us. We feel good about the adjusted revenue print of $751 million, and particularly good about adjusted EBITDA and EBITDA margin of $37 million and 4.9%, respectively. Nevertheless, we need to keep the pedal down in Q2 to meet those first half revenue expectations we laid out last quarter. We remain optimistic and still seek condo in achieving those guidance numbers and our 2025 exit rate metrics. New business signings were improved year on year, and we're expecting a relatively strong Q2 in sales. The good news is that while many suffer through macroeconomic uncertainty and the known and unknown effects of tariffs, we feel somewhat fortunate not to feel most of those headwinds. We only have one business, transportation, where we have very slight exposure to tariffs regarding equipment sales and implementations. But for the most part, we are insulated. Of equal or more importance is the fact that while government efficiency efforts may create headwinds for some, despite what may be the perception in the market, we see far more opportunity on the horizon given that nearly all of our government business is conducted to the state and local level, and some of the federal entitlement pushdown efforts like Medicaid and SNAP fraud reduction expectations play well for us as we roll out new and improved fraud prevention capabilities. We'll talk about that here in just a few minutes. Now, for the past two years, we've discussed the character of the company as one of significant breadth. With breadth of products, services, industries, and public versus commercial segments, comes higher cost in the center, management bandwidth consumption, and higher technology costs. We've consistently stated that a comparison of scarcity value on the outside versus synergy and growth opportunities on the inside will help us craft our portfolio rationalization plan. We've said that the rationalization efforts will allow for accelerated growth and use of proceeds can reduce debt, increase profitability, and or free up cash and capital for other efforts such as share buybacks, and in our case, buying out our activist shareholder. Over the past six months, we've considered where we are on the journey and concluded there are more assets to adjudicate, and the cost in the center can come down, coincident with running the company a more segmented way. Let's turn to slide five and talk about what we have done. We completed three divestitures in 2024, generating nearly $800 million of net proceeds. We said we'd deploy roughly $1 billion, and 85% of that target is complete, resulting in $639 million less debt and 61 million shares repurchased. Yet still, we believe there's more to do in 2025. We've targeted assets we think will generate another $350 million of proceeds, then surpassing our $1 billion target. Importantly, it's the capital deployment and the reduction in growth impediments that will add real value. While these potential rationalized assets would benefit greatly from the scale and synergies outside of conduit, when the dust settles, we'll be in a far more opportunistic place. Slide six depicts that transformation journey, where we land on an optimized portfolio, two operating units serving different markets, a thin center with a strong balance sheet, and positive growth. Meanwhile, in a minute, I'll describe why I'm excited about where we're going, doubling down with respect to talent, portfolio growth opportunities, and proof points for the future. But first, let me turn it over to Giles for the numbers. Giles?

Thanks, Cliff. As we have done in the past, we are reporting both gap and non-gap numbers. The reconciliations are in our filings and in the appendix of the presentation. Let's discuss our key sales metrics on slides seven and eight. We had a stronger start to the year in 2025 than we did in 2024, with first quarter new business ACV up 14% versus the prior year at $109 million. And with Q2 shaping up strongly, we expect to be well positioned at the midpoint of the year. In the quarter, we signed 10 new logos and expanded our sales relationships with 20 existing clients through new capability sales. Government ACV was up sequentially again this quarter, and we believe this trend will continue in Q2. New business TCV was up 96% versus the prior year at $280 million, with approximately one-third of that TCV being generated by an eight-year deal in our international transit business with our client Lima, Peru, which also helped drive the average contract length up to 4.2 years for the quarter. The net ARR activity metric, our combined measure of wins, losses, pricing effects, and other contractual changes was positive and sequentially higher again this quarter at $116 million. Our qualified ACV pipeline remains strong at $3.2 billion, which is up 16% year over year and 3% since the beginning of 2025. Both our government and commercial segments have grown their qualified ACV pipeline significantly over the last 12 months, positioning us well to hit growth targets in the near term. Let's turn to slide nine and review our Q1 2025 P&L metrics. Adjusted revenue for Q1 2025 was $751 million compared to $821 million in Q1 2024, down .5% year over year. This was predominantly driven by our government segment, which we foreshadowed in Q4 earnings, and I'll discuss in more detail in a moment. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter was $37 million as compared to $36 million in Q1 2024, and our adjusted EBITDA margin of .9% is up 50 basis points a year over year and sequentially higher versus Q4 2024. There were an unusually high number of one-time items in the quarter, which on a net basis and due to the mix of items drove almost a half point of deterioration in revenue, but had a positive impact on adjusted EBITDA margin of almost a point. Let's turn to slide 10 and review the segment results. The Q1 2025 commercial segment adjusted revenue was $402 million, down .1% as compared to Q1 2024. New business continues to outpace lost business in this segment, however, we are experiencing some volume degradation in our largest commercial client, which is driving revenues lower. We previously announced the decision to add around two and a half thousand additional seats of capacity in some of our offshore delivery centers, which go live later this quarter. To date, we have increased approximately 1,500 revenue generating seats in these geographies to fill some of that capacity. Adjusted EBITDA was down 11% year over year and adjusted EBITDA margin of 10% was down 70 basis points year over year. The drivers here were lower revenue, higher usage of central technology costs, as well as some residual impact of stranded cost as we complete the transition of the casualty claims business to the buyer. Government segment adjusted revenue for the quarter was down 16% at 216 million. Adjusted EBITDA was 38 million, down 31% year over year and adjusted EBITDA margin of 17.6%. We laid this out in the fourth quarter earnings, where we said total company revenue would be down in the first half of 2025, with most of the impact coming from the government segment in the first quarter. The primary driver here is the effect of a large government healthcare contract, where the contract was terminated for reasons other than performance in Q1 2024, which at this point has now been fully lapped. This segment was also negatively impacted by approximately 8 million top and bottom by the one time items I mentioned earlier, predominantly related to the establishment of reserves for operational service levels. Our government services business in partnership with Microsoft has been making strong progress with their investments in AI for earlier identification of fraud activity in our payment programs, and we're starting to see the return on these investments in our financials with decreasing fraud expense. This is just one of a number of solutions that could benefit our government clients as they look to drive efficiency and savings. Cliff will discuss this topic in more later in this presentation. Transportation segment adjusted revenue was 133 million, down .6% year over year, while adjusted EBITDA was 6 million in the quarter versus 1 million in Q1 2024. Segment adjusted EBITDA margin was .5% for the quarter, up 380 basis points versus Q1 2024. This segment benefited from stronger operational performance levels in the quarter, and also from the absence of employee termination costs incurred in the prior year relating to the non-retained portion of a tolling contract. In the first quarter, our tolling business played an integral role in implementing congestion management pricing in New York City, the first of its kind in the United States, by facilitating the toll transactions and payment processing through our market-leading Vector platform. This contributed to our Q1 financial results and also enables significant revenue for our client. Unallocated costs were 47 million for the quarter versus 65 million in Q1 2024. This included an 8.5 million benefit from the recovery of legal costs from one of our insurance carriers related to the state of Texas matter that settled in 2019, as well as positive impacts from our cost efficiency programs across our corporate functions. Finally, in relation to the previously disclosed cyber event, while we did not experience material financial impact to our operations, we did incur 3 million and accrue 22 million of non-recurring expenses in the first quarter related to the event based on potential notification requirements, and we do maintain a cyber insurance policy for any excess. Let's turn to slide 11 and discuss the balance sheet and cash flow. We ended the quarter with approximately 293 million of total cash on balance sheet, and our 550 million revolving credit facility was largely undrawn. As a reminder, we are generally a user of cash in the first half of the year, with positive cash generation in the second half. Our adjusted free cash flow for the quarter was negative 74 million. This is significantly better than Q1 2024 when adjusting for the positive impacts of the tax refund and the operating cash flow from divested assets in the prior year. On April 30, we received the final payment of 50 million relating to the curbside management and public safety divestiture. This completes the receipt of proceeds from phase one of our divestiture program. Sequentially, our net leverage ratio went up from the prior quarter to 2.7 turns. We've said before that this will increase for the next couple of quarters as we annualize the divested adjusted EBITDA in the calculation, which will be partially offset by the sequential recovery in adjusted EBITDA as we work through our stranded cost and efficiency programs. Once this work is completed during the second half of 2025, you'll see this net leverage ratio returning to around 1.5 turns and then moving more towards the one turn we've previously outlined in our midterm outlook as we exit 2025. Capital expenditure for the quarter was .7% of revenue and we have no concerns in meeting our near-term debt maturity commitments. Let's turn to slide 12 and look at our 2025 outlook. Our full year 2025 outlook remains unchanged as we stated in Q4 earnings. The assumption built into this guide is one of broadly stable macroeconomic conditions. Since we established this guide in February, there has been significant uncertainty relating to tariffs on international trade. However, our exposure to trade tariffs is minimal and contained to very small elements of the supply chain in our transit business supporting our US clients. As a reminder, the majority of revenue in the transit business is generated internationally with supply chains outside the US. The government segment is predominantly centered on state and local government where we provide technology, eligibility and payments programs that support essential services for their constituents. To date, we have not seen any material impact to these programs from the shifting federal administration landscape and remain engaged with our state and local clients. We expect Q2 2025 revenue to be sequentially higher than Q1 but slightly below Q2 2024 and adjusted EBITDA margin to be in the range of 4 to 4.5%. We continue to expect to post top line growth in the second half of the year and margin to expand as we work through our cost programs. These outlooks have not been adjusted for any phase two divestiture activity that Cliff discussed earlier and therefore are representative of the company as it exists today. Lastly, I would like to thank Cliff and the board for the opportunity they have given me as CFO of the company. And I would also like to thank Steve for his partnership over the last four years and I wish him well in the future. That concludes the financial review of Q1 2025 and I'll hand it back to Cliff for his broader view of the business.

Cliff? Thanks Giles. While it was good to hear the continuation of a British accent from our CFO, the numbers just described while now executed represent what we've been foreshadowing for the last two years. We continue to be on track. Also, I thought it would be important to outline some other real opportunities going forward. If you'll turn to slide 14, you'll see some of the non-financial performance proof points. Overall, AI and Gen. AI remain at the forefront of what we're utilizing on behalf of our clients and their end users. As I've mentioned before, AI in our client space is not hyped or sold. It's used to drive quality. We've rolled it out in our Life at Work portal, in our call centers, and in our payment fraud space, which I'll talk about here in a minute. In commercial, we're seeing the fruits of our labor with our new client partner enterprise sales model driving sales pipeline and clients evidenced by all-time high MPS scores and supplier of the year awards. We've also been tapped by many of our commercial clients to help them achieve their efficiency and cost reduction initiatives. The government business is turning the corner just as we said it wouldn't. Strong sales pipeline, improved retention, and new talent are lining up for the turnaround we were planning for. And in transportation, we're seeing particular progress and market share improvement. In transit, where our new fare gates and card tap and go fare collection capabilities are selling well. We recently finalized and signed our new scope and plan with our biggest flagship client in the state of Victoria and Australia. And new avenues are opening up in tolling as well. Just take a look at Governor Hockel's success in New York with congestion management pricing. That's our technology. And many other states are watching closely as that is a perfect way to reduce congestion and drive revenue to the states. Now, let me focus for a minute on government efficiency. We're like an AI, there is perhaps a misconception or two. The reality is as follows. We work primarily for the state governments. While federal entitlement funds often flow through the states, entitlements haven't been challenged and we get paid by states to help them administer those funds and the eligibility for them. As eligibility oversight increases, so does our work. By their very nature, entitlement programs are guaranteed programs. So the work we do is non-discretionary. Most of the limited federal work we do is as a sub for the direct express program utilized primarily for social security benefit distribution. Again, a program that sees no signs of reduction regardless of what vendor the program relies upon. Meanwhile, the president did say he's not touching social security payments. Absent this subcontractor business, less than 1% of our revenue is contracted with the federal government. We provide support to states for SNAP or food stamps as well as Medicaid eligibility work. As you know, a good portion of Americans across the political spectrum rely on programs such as SNAP and Medicaid. Regardless, even if there is a reduction in funding pools, our business model is not dependent on funding per recipient. On the Medicaid side, we implement and manage state's Medicaid technology administration platforms and process eligibility requests and enrollment programs, both which likely become more voluminous if eligibility and are further scrutinized. Regarding SNAP, we earn revenue based on the number of cases, not the funding size per recipient. So here's the bottom line. If unemployment rises, it's an opportunity for us. If states increase their focus on Medicaid fraud and illegal recipients, it's an opportunity for us. If Medicaid expansion goes away, it's an opportunity for us to scrutinize in Medicaid or unemployment insurance. It's an opportunity for us. And as payment programs work to eliminate paper checks through DOGE for efficiency purposes, it's an opportunity for us. Finally, turning to page 15, the biggest opportunity for us is in fraud reduction writ large. The administration's efforts to reduce fraud, waste, and abuse fall into areas we can help solution. For example, we have proven in our AI project in collaboration with Microsoft in our payment card business that we can and do drastically reduce fraud by increasing fraud detection before it happens. We increase fraud detection rates and account takeover efforts by 150%. DOGE and the government accountability office are focused on fraud in government programs like Medicaid and SNAP. We believe there are value added services around account takeover fraud prevention and strengthening eligibility determinations using this address verification AI tool. There are almost 42 million SNAP recipients in this country, representing roughly 12% of the population. Notwithstanding administrative costs, when fraud occurs, generally the recipients suffer the monetary loss, not the government. We intend to help solve this problem with EBT chip cards and other fraud prevention capabilities being rolled out in our new card platform. We've now stood up a fraud prevention line of business where we intend to attack these problems in concert with administration efforts. Let me close by saying we're at a strategic inflection point in the following ways. Our renewed portfolio rationalization plan, leveraging government opportunities, new go to market program in the commercial space, congestion management programs, tap and go, and new fare gates, and new fraud reduction business, and more. Meanwhile, our 55,000 associates work hard every day to make conduit the best in quality and efficiency across our technology and business processing outsourcing landscape. We have a strong suite of technology solutions that when coupled with our hardworking and dedicated associates provide outstanding results for our clients and their end users. In all cases, we want to be the best. Along the way, we intend to hit those 20-25 exit rate marks and build the confidence we need in our current and potential investor base. Thank you for listening today. That concludes our program and I'll now turn it over to the operator for questions. Operator.

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Hey, thanks for taking my questions. Congrats on the quarter and real quick congrats to Giles on taking over as CFO. Absolutely Giles. My first question had to do with what you were just talking about, Cliff, with regard to the government business. I understand like what you said that much of government business is at the state and local level, albeit some of that flows from the federal government, from federal programs. I guess I'm wondering if you could give a little bit more detail as far as how some of these aspects of the push for efficiency in the government actually lead to an opportunity for you in that space rather than a detriment to your business there. Or maybe I'll leave it at that for now.

It's a good question, Pat. Look, there's two ways to answer the question. A lot of the federal funds for entitlements are distributed through the states. And both Congress and the President have said they're not going to mess with or touch entitlements. The administrative costs for the states is where the opportunity is for us. And so you take SNAP, for example, where we have 21 states distributing food stamps. We see that not diminishing. In the case of Summer SNAP, 16 of those have Summer SNAP programs. Most of those have renewed the Summer SNAP programs. All those dollars are federal dollars, but the administrative costs are shared between the states and the feds. All that is being reviewed, but all that looks to be not touched. And all the indications are that they're not going to be touched. Where the opportunity arises is in areas like fraud that I mentioned during my script, if you think about the fact that what Doge and the administration has said is, look, there's fraud going on. There are people receiving Medicare benefits that shouldn't be getting them. And there are people that are getting unemployment insurance benefits that shouldn't be getting them. The opportunity for us is to find those folks that are not getting them and help the states ferret out the issues and the problems and get paid for that process. And so we see it as upside. As I mentioned with respect to fraud, we've looked at address takeover fraud in our payment business. And we found a lot of duplicate addresses that should not have been in the mix, people receiving duplicate payments

fraudulently.

And we see the same kind of fraud process to address people that shouldn't be getting Medicaid benefits, for example, because they have duplicate addresses as a way to generate revenue for us. Finally, you've seen in the press where MCOs oftentimes are getting paid twice for the same Medicaid member because people move and they don't change their address. And so what's happening is these MCOs are receiving federal funds that they shouldn't receive. Now they try and pay those back, but that's another area where we can ferret out areas where the federal government is paying too much money to the states or MCOs. So those are sort of an overview of how we're attacking the problem.

Great. Thanks. And then I also wanted to touch on the cyber event. Could you say a little bit about what actually happened? And I'm getting the sense you guys are pretty much maybe through it. Can you touch on that as well? Is this pretty much behind you now?

Well, look, all the costs of the cyber event are already baked into our P&L. And so that's number one. Number two is there was essentially no operational impact, virtually no operational impact to the cyber event. In some cases, only down for a couple of hours. The environment was restored almost immediately. The issue we're dealing with is the records issue. How much PII and PHI, if any, has been exfiltrated? And that's a very complex process that we're underway with now with our clients. And so, yes, the event is behind us. All the aspects of what happened is behind us. All the examination of the data is still underway. And that's why we've put the reserve into the mix.

Great. Thanks so much. I'll leave it there and jump back in the queue. Thanks a lot.

Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Chris Sakai with Singular Research. Please proceed with your questions.

Yes, hi. Good morning. I'm in for Gaussie. Given your progress in AI-driven solutions like fraud prevention and GenAI assistance, have you encountered any regulatory hurdles in deployment, particularly in sensitive government or healthcare applications?

You know, Chris, we really haven't. We're using AI in a couple different ways, much of it in the commercial space. But as I previously mentioned with respect to space, primarily around fraud. In the commercial space, we use it for language smoothing, for language translation, for IVR enhancements, for portal enhancements, and as I said, for fraud reduction efforts in the public sector. But no, we really haven't encountered issues around privacy or mistakes from GenAI. And we're not using it as a replacement for people. We're still heavily reliant on people. And where we're in the people business, we continue to see the same amount of need for people in the complex environments. And AI is not really, and doesn't appear to be a substitute for that. So the answer to your question directly is no, we have not seen any regulatory hurdles in the way.

Okay, thanks for that. And you mentioned that your business is relatively insulated from macroeconomic and geopolitical shocks. Are there any less obvious second order effects such as shifts in client procurement cycles or changes in government funding priorities that you're monitoring closely?

You know, we're not really experiencing that, Chris. I can tell you that what Giles and I mentioned was the one area of slight vulnerability for us is in our transportation business, transit specifically, where we buy equipment and deploy equipment for fare gates and the like. Most of that business is international, country to country, as opposed to, you know, international to the US or China to the US. There's a little bit of transit business in the US, but very small in the grand scheme of things. So we're not really vulnerable to the tariff situation. With respect to other government programs, one of the decisions Congress made yesterday was that the Fed matching rate for Medicaid technology and technology implementations where the federal government supplies 90% of the funding for all those implementations in technology and the Medicaid space at the state level will not be touched. So we're not really feeling any hurdles to the progress that Giles laid out. In fact, as I mentioned, we see real opportunities.

I think the other piece, Chris, is that we maintain close relationships and close communication with our state and local government clients as well so that we know what's going on with them and how we can support and help them as things move forward.

Okay, great. And then last for me, what criteria are you using to identify assets for divestiture? And how do you plan to balance future proceeds between debt reduction, reinvestment, and potential shareholder returns?

Let me take the first part of it and the second part I'll turn over to Giles. Look, we've said all along that the secret sauce is to figure out how we can be not as wide or as diverse and be more focused on synergies and growth capabilities internally. By the same token, we believe there are synergies and scarcity value on the outside for some of our assets. And so the test we've put in place is where are those scarcity value opportunities, where are the maximum multiples we can get if we look to divest, and versus what we can do internally with those same resources. And we've identified what we see as another roughly, let's call it $350 million of opportunity along that process flow that we intend to pursue in 2025. But Giles, why don't you

talk about that? I think on the capital allocation side, it'll be similar to the first phase, Chris. We'll continue to maintain a balanced approach. We've only got $85 million of debt left on the term A. And we'll also continue to make investments internally, which is what we've done through phase one. If you look at some of the investments we've made internally around some of the things that Cliff alluded to earlier with AI, with increasing our seed capacity and some of our international delivery centers, investments in our GHS Medicaid modularization platforms, and then what we've done with our vector platform as well to support the New York congestion management pricing, a significant investment that we've made, but we've been frugal in the way that we allocate capital internally. So I think you can look to see similar characteristics as we used in the first phase of the rationalization plan as far as capital allocation is concerned.

Okay, great. Thanks for the answers.

You know, Chris, just one last point. Importantly, to follow on Giles' point, what it really provides for us is a remaining portfolio that's more nimble, easier to manage, lower cost in the center, higher growth rates. That's the bottom line on where we want to land.

Okay, great. Thank you.

Sure. Thank you. Our next questions come from the line of Mark Riddick with SODOTI. Please proceed with your questions.

Hey, good morning.

Hey, Mark. Hey, Mark.

So first of all, congratulations both to Giles and David for the changes there and certainly look forward to continuing working with you there. Thanks, Mark. Absolutely. I was wondering if you could start a little bit on the opportunity set and kind of dovetail your comment, Giles, around the connection to your state and local contacts and what have you. Maybe get your little bit as to maybe what you're hearing from them and how that ties into the opportunities that you're seeing. I mean, maybe it's a little early, but I was wondering if you're getting much in the way of feedback from your state and local contacts as to the headlines and maybe what areas are taking the lead as far as priority of concern there.

It's a mixed bag, Mark. I mean, some states are more progressive in trying to get out front and work with the administration to figure out how they can ferret out fraud and reduce costs from a disbursement point of view. Other states are sort of in a wait and see. So it's quite varied. All the states are looking for efficiencies and always have been. So it's a mixed bag. I can tell you that there's a specific effort around more efficiency in the administration of federal funds, but the exact details are going to vary state by state. I can tell you one governor sent me a letter recently saying, how can you help us more with SNAP or food stamp fraud? Because as I mentioned in my narrative, the individuals that receive this funding are the ones that eat the fraud. And you've seen many examples where people have had their cards scammed or address takeover or various ways that fraud occurs. And the states are very agitated over the fact that their constituents are the ones that are taking the loss because those funds are generally not replenished. So it's a mixed bag. I mean, the one I just referred to is Utah. We've got a lot of capabilities around our new card platform that has chip cards in it. It has card turn off and turn on capabilities for other fraud reduction tools. But as I said, some are more out front and it's a very significant opportunity. And others are sort of holding back, waiting to see what really happens. Because if you look at the Doge efforts, this targeted a trillion dollar cost reduction is just not manifesting as fast as I mean, I think I saw numbers in the neighborhood of 155 billion out of the two trillion have been realized in some of the federal cost reduction efforts. So it's going a little bit slower. So there's a wait and see kind of a demeanor out there as well.

Thank you for that. And then I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the new business wins being up year over year, and maybe some of the catalysts that were behind that as well as maybe progress in the I know we've talked in the past about efforts as far as gaining share of wallet. I mean, are you this is that was that part of some of the new business win efforts and how do we see that going forward?

Yeah, I think there's a couple of things that I think one is is we've invested wisely in in new talent in a sales organization with some element of new structure with client partners and getting closer to the to the clients and really, really driving more new capability opportunities through that group. And the second is some of the investments that we're making, you know, that we've discussed earlier around, you know, Medicaid and increasing the capacity out in some of our delivery centers, we're filling those up, clients are still looking to us to help them solve some of their their cost issues. And we you know, we continue to see that into the second quarter as well. So I think you know, q1, q1, we were off to a relatively good start q2, you know, we should be a little stronger. And you know, we'll see that continue throughout the year. And

Mark, if you've mentioned this in the past, if you think about new business, it comes in three venues, it comes in a new logo, it comes in a new capability for current logo, and it comes in with add on volume from from the same capability, that add on volume typically comes from our account management teams. And that's been pretty consistent in some quarters, that's been better than others. What we saw in q1 and hope to see even more so in q2 is that new logo, new capability with a particular emphasis on this new capability and expanding our share wallet. With roughly 1.6 products per client in the commercial space, we think that should be double. And that's why we've invested heavily in this client partner arrangement, where client partners and enterprise sales executives can look at the breadth of the opportunity in a current client base. And we've got many of the healthcare clients, you know, most of the healthcare clients out in the market are our clients. And so we see expanded opportunities from that client partner team. And then enterprise sales team, but we're just getting started. I mean, yes, it was a good quarter and new logo. We need to do even more of that. Because the new logos are your future. And that's if you don't feather that nest with new logos, you're not going to have add ons to be available. So we're very focused on it. And we expect to see, you know, some pretty good progress in q2 and more so in the back half of the year.

And just to sort of play the loop there, I just want to double check on so I the the leverage being a 2.7 times and this was covered in the prepared remarks, but just to confirm the that was as of the end of the quarter, and then subsequently, you got the 50 million in April. So that's already knocked down from from where you were at the end of the first quarter, correct?

Yeah, that's correct, Mark. And we should see we should see that net leverage count come down as the as the you know, as the adjusted EBITDA for q2, q3, q4 starts to increase with with the cost efficiency programs that we've got going on. So as I said, you know, I think we'll see it trend towards more kind of one and a half terms as we think about the second half of the year. And then as we exit 2025, we're targeting that one term that we always put out target.

A lot of those cost efficiency efforts, Mark, as you know, have lag effects to them. So that's that's a benefit we're going to see in the back half of the year.

Yeah. Excellent. Thank you very much. Thanks, Bob.

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