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Operator
Thank
Kyle
you for standing by. Welcome to the CommScope 2024 Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a -and-answer session. To ask a question during the session, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Massimo Di Sabato, VP of Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
Massimo Di Sabato
Good morning, and thank you for joining us today to discuss CommScope's 2024 Second Quarter results. I'm Massimo Di Sabato, Vice President of Investor Relations for CommScope, and with me on today's call are Chuck Treadway, President and CEO, and Kyle Lorenzen, Executive Vice President and CFO. You can find the slides that accompany this report on our Investor Relations website. Please note that some of our comments today will contain forward-looking statements based on our current view of our business, and actual future results may differ materially. Please see our recent SEC filings, which identify the principal risks and uncertainties that could affect future performance. Before I turn the call over to Chuck, I have a few housekeeping items to review. Today, we will discuss certain adjusted or non-GAAP financial measures, which are described in more detail in this morning's earnings materials. Reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures and other associated disclosures are contained in our earnings materials and posted on our website. All references during today's discussion will be to our adjusted results. All quarterly growth rates described during today's presentation are on a -over-year basis unless otherwise noted. I'll now turn the call over to our President and CEO, Chuck Treadway.
Chuck Treadway
Thank you, Massimo. Good morning, everyone. I'll begin on slide two. In the second quarter, Comscope delivered net sales of $1.387 billion and adjusted EBITDA of $302 million, driven by strength in our CCS and OWN segments. For Core Comscope, which excludes the OWN and DAS businesses, we reported net sales of $1.05 billion and Core adjusted EBITDA of $201 million for the second quarter of 2024. I will start my comments today addressing the recently announced deal to sell our OWN and DAS businesses to Ampenal. As we have discussed in previous calls, we have been exploring alternatives to optimize our capital structure. One of the alternatives we mentioned was asset sales. We believe that the OWN and DAS deal offers significant value at an opportune time for a strategic buyer. The deal is expected to close in the first half of 2025, giving us time to evaluate how to best manage proceeds, though we intend to use this flexibility to reduce debt and or delever through a creative investment. I want to thank our OWN and DAS teams for all they have done for Comscope. For our customers and employees, Ampenal represents an ideal home for these businesses' next phase of growth. Moving forward, our core business will consist of CCS, ANS, and Core NICs. Core NICs will now consist of Ruckus and Small Cell. Our second quarter core business performance was mixed with strength in CCS and continued weakness in ANS and NICs. As I've mentioned in past earnings calls, we continue to control what we can. While our core revenue was down 17%, our adjusted EBITDAI was essentially flat. Adjusted EBITDAI is a percentage of sales increase from .9% to 19.1%. This improvement has been driven by our Comscope NEXT program. We have focused on very specific initiatives in all areas of our business to enhance profitability. Now I'd like to give you an update on each of our businesses. In the second quarter, CCS continued to improve order rates as customer inventory continues to normalize and demand has improved. Although we saw sequential order and revenue improvement in all businesses, we're experiencing stronger recovery in building and data center than in broadband. Our building and data center business is seeing very strong demand from hyperscale and cloud. The need for bandwidth and data center capacity driven by enhanced GEN AI has resulted in substantial growth in this area of our business. We are well positioned as one of the market leaders in MPO cable and connectors. The outlook is very strong with our customers signaling robust growth in data centers over the next several years. Currently, we are assessing the demand requirement and are investing in capacity to meet that demand. In the first half of the year, we've installed capacity to drive $100 million of incremental annualized revenue. These investments are highly accreted to EBITDA with returns expected in less than six months. In addition to capacity, we continue to launch new products in our building and data center business to drive additional growth. Turning our attention to broadband, we have seen orders improve sequentially from the first quarter to the second quarter. Since the beginning of last year, customer inventory levels continue to improve, driving increased sequential order rates. However, demand remains low relative to 21 and 22. Customers continue to assess their upgrades, including evaluating the impact of BEDE and other federal funding programs on their build plans. Although we remain bullish on broadband, a level of uncertainty remains on the timing of a true demand recovery and the timing of BEDE. As we have previously mentioned, we are well prepared for the recovery and the BEDE program. We have ample capacity to meet the expected higher demands, and we have a full suite of BABA-compliant products. The latest market feedback suggests that BEDE program is now pushed to the second half of 2025. As we move into the second half of the year, based on continued strength in building and data center, we would expect CCS revenue and adjusted EBITDA tracking closer to the second quarter levels than the first quarter levels. Turning to Cordnix, which excludes DAS, we continue to see depressed market conditions as our channel digest inventory built in the second half of 2023. Although EBITDA improved sequentially, Cordnix delivered negative EBITDA in the second quarter, driven by lower revenue and inventory write-offs. Despite challenges in the first half, we feel optimistic on a stronger second half as Ruckus channel inventory has stabilized and demand is improving. In Ruckus, we have strong visibility to channel inventory. Current inventory levels are back to what we would consider normal. In addition to normalized inventory and subsequent demand, we are gaining traction on several Ruckus initiatives, including our Wi-Fi 7 launch, Ruckus 1, and vertical market strategy. During the second quarter, we continue to make strides in our Ruckus subscription and SaaS offerings. We remain bullish on our core NICS business. Finishing our core businesses with ANS. As previously mentioned, the first half of 2024 was historically weak due to our customers being faced with larger than expected inventory and navigating the choices for next generation HSC architecture. Despite this, we believe the ANS segment is well positioned to take advantage of the latest upgrade cycle with the breadth of new products, including virtual CMTS, nodes, amplifiers, RPD, and RMV modules, and remote OLTs for node pawn. This coupled with our legacy technology install base allows us maximum flexibility for customer upgrades. An example of a new product development we are excited about is Unified DOCSIS 4.0 that we are developing with our silicon partner and customers. The unified product will allow operators to choose ESD and or full deep duplex DOCSIS, providing scale and flexibility. In addition, we have significant opportunities to partner with our expansive legacy install base to quickly and effectively improve their customers experience with only a software upgrade and modem change. Our recently commercialized DOCSIS 3.1e software upgrade allows our customers to dramatically increase their network performance. An example of a recent win was with a major tier one service provider upgrading to DOCSIS 3.1e and achieving speeds of 4 gigabits per second down and 1 gigabits per second up. During the second quarter, we purchased the HSC assets of CASA Systems. This acquisition provides us with cash flow from their legacy customer base and new products such as the virtualized CMTS and upgraded pawn products. This acquisition will be deleveraging. In the short time we have owned CASA, we have had several inquiries about virtualized CCAP with tier one and tier two customers. In addition to the CASA acquisition, we have finalized agreements with a large tier one customer on FDX products. These products will begin shipping in the second half of 2024 with a significant ramp in the first half of 2025. The real question with our ANS business is the timing and magnitude of the upcoming upgrade cycle. Although customers have indicated a fairly aggressive upgrade cycle over the next several years, many of these upgrades appear to be pushing out. The timing and the magnitude of these upgrade cycles will be an important driver of revenue and profitability for ANS. We are continuing to navigate our business through varying market conditions. Although we are bullish, medium, and long term, timing and magnitude of demand improvement remains uncertain. For our core businesses, we believe we are well positioned to take advantage of a demand rebound with ample capacity and the right product offerings. We will continue to control what we can, including supporting our customers as they navigate through their requirements. And with that, I'd like to turn things over to Kyle to talk more about our second quarter results.
Kyle
Thank you, Chuck. And good morning, everyone. I'll start with an overview of our second quarter 2024 results on slide three. For the second quarter, Comscope reported net sales of $1.387 billion, a decrease of 13% from the prior year, driven by declines in ANS and NICs. Adjusted EBITDA of $302 million, increased by 20%. Adjusted EPS of 34 cents per share, increased 100%. We experienced improved sequential revenue driven by inventory normalization and increasing demand in CCS and OWN. For core Comscope, which excludes the OWN and DOS businesses, we reported net sales of $1.054 billion, which declined 17% from prior year. Core adjusted EBITDA of $201 million for the second quarter of 2024 was essentially flat with prior year of $202 million. Our adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenues increased by 320 basis points as we continue to manage what we can control, including costs. Core Comscope backlog ended the quarter at $898 million, up versus the end of the first quarter. As mentioned previously in all of our businesses, we are back to normalized backlog levels. Order rates are the direct driver of revenues. As Chuck mentioned earlier, we saw an increase in order rates from the first quarter to the second quarter 2024, particularly in CCS and NICs. Although this is a positive sign, we continue to lag well behind 2021 and 2022 revenue levels. Turning now to our second quarter high on slide four. Starting with CCS, net sales of $728 million increased 5% from the prior year. CCS adjusted EBITDA of $171 million increased 107% from the prior year, driven primarily by cost reductions and favorable product mix. CCS adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue for the quarter was .5% driven by mix cost savings and favorable one-time cost adjustments. Although we expect CCS adjusted EBITDA as a percentage of revenue to remain strong, we would not expect it to remain at these levels in the second half. The CCS revenue increase is being driven by the building and data center business, particularly the hyperscale and cloud business. On a sequential basis, revenue was up 20%. Despite the pickup and order rates, these order rates still remain low relative to historical levels in 2021 and 2022. Although CCS order rates improved and customer conversations remain bullish on medium and long-term growth, the short-term demand profile still remains uncertain. CCS net sales of $132 million decreased by 44% versus the second quarter of 2023. CCS adjusted EBITDA of $-3 million decreased $59 million from the prior year, driven primarily by the decline in ruckus revenue and inventory write-offs. As indicated, first quarter and second quarter revenue and adjusted EBITDA were impacted by the higher than normal channel inventory that resulted from the release of substantial product out of backlog in the second and third quarter of 2023. As expected, the overhang from channel inventory lasted through the first half of 2024. Toward the end of the second quarter, we saw normalization of inventory that will support improved sequential third quarter 2024 revenues. We continue to drive our ruckus one and Wi-Fi seven initiatives. With these new products and vertical market focus, we are well positioned to take market share in the medium and long term. ANS net sales of $193 million decreased 43% from the prior year due to customer inventory adjustment and upgrade delays. ANS adjusted EBITDA of $33 million was down 30 million or 47% from the prior year driven by lower revenue. The ANS market continues to be challenging as customers deal with excess inventory and delayed upgrade cycles. Although we expect to see a stronger second half of the year, this comes off a historically low first half of 2024. Our launching of FDX products should have a positive impact on the business over the next several quarters. The business remains well positioned to take advantage of upgrade cycles as we are the supplier with the largest install base in the entire suite of products. Performance will be driven by the speed and magnitude of the upcoming upgrade cycle that is in early stages. Finally, during the second quarter, we completed the acquisition of certain cable business assets of CASA systems for a purchase price of $45 million. Finally, after the quarter closed, we announced the divestiture of our OWN and DOS businesses to Anthonal. We expect to deal the close in the first half of 2025. Net sales of these two businesses of $333 million was an increase of 4% from the prior year driven by OWN. Order rates in this segment increased in the second quarter as the large service providers worked through inventory and an increased spending on upgrades. In addition, we continue to aggressively manage costs in this segment. OWN and DOS adjusted EBITDA of $101 million increased 66% from the prior year. We expect third quarter OWN and DOS revenue adjusted EBITDA to decrease compared to the second quarter. As we move into the third quarter, we will report these businesses as held for sale. Turning to slide five for an update on cash flow. During the quarter, we generated cash flow from operations of $51 million and adjusted free cash flow of $69 million. 2024 second quarter cash flow from operations declined from the prior year as a result of working capital needs. Turning to slide six for an update on our liquidity and capital structure. During the second quarter, our cash and liquidity remained strong. We ended the quarter with $346 million in global cash and total available cash and liquidity of roughly $880 million. During the quarter, our cash balance decreased by $11 million primarily as a result of the cash paid for the CASA acquisition. We did not draw on our AVL revolver during the second quarter and therefore ended the quarter with no outstanding balance. During the quarter, we paid the required $8 million of term loan amortization. We purchased no debt on the open market. Going forward, we intend to continue to use cash opportunistically to buy back securities across the breadth of our capital structure. The company ended the quarter with net leverage ratio of 9.7 down from the prior quarter of 9.9. I'm now turning to slide seven where I will conclude my prepared remarks with some commentary around our expectation for the remainder of 2024. In our core business, we saw strong recovery in our CCS business driven by data center gen AI growth. We expect this trend will continue. Unfortunately, the core NICs and ANS segments continue to lag as the demand environment remains uncertain. Although we see some positives for second half improvements in these two businesses, we remain cautious. We would expect small sequential core revenue and adjusted EBITDA improvement in the third quarter. Based on current visibility, our full year core adjusted EBITDA guideposts is expected to be between $700 to $800 million with break even adjusted free cash flow. We continue to control what we can control, including managing costs and supporting our customers. Our core adjusted EBITDA is a percentage of revenue improved from .9% in the second quarter of 2023 to .1% in the second quarter of 2024. This is a testament to our priority to control what we can control and improve longer term profitability. Finally, I would like to address our capital structure. We continue to evaluate alternatives, including use of OWN and DOS proceeds, additional asset sales, exchanges, and new financing to address the 2025 maturity and beyond. We expect to engage with our current lenders in the third quarter. As previously mentioned, our credit documents are very flexible. We intend to use this flexibility as we evaluate alternatives. For today's call, we will not be making further comment with respect to our capital structure. However, we will provide updates as appropriate. And with that, I'd like to give the floor back to Chuck for some closing remarks. Thank you,
Chuck Treadway
Kyle. While we were generally pleased with our second quarter results, specifically with the strength in CCS, uncertainty continues to remain in our other core businesses. Although off of a low base, we would expect to see continued sequential improvement in our core business in the second half of 2024. I'm encouraged by our focus on items that we control, including new products, customer support, and profitability. This focus positions as well for medium and long term growth. And with that, we'll now open the line for questions.
Kyle
Thank you. At this time, we will conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder, to ask the question, you will need to press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again.
Operator
Please stand by. Our first question comes from Meta
Kyle
Marshall from Morgan Stanley. Your line is now open.
Marshall
Great. Thanks. Maybe first question, just, you know, particularly on the data center business within CCS, just, you know, are there opportunities for share gains? Is this rising tide lists all boats? Just how are you thinking about the growth opportunity there? And then maybe second question for me with the acquisition of the CASA assets, you know, is there an opportunity to gain more share or in other elements of the business other than just with the cost of business? Thanks.
Chuck Treadway
Yeah, thanks, Meta. I'd start by saying I think we're well positioned for the data center and cloud gen AI projects. We've seen strong growth in this market in the first half. As you know, we think gen AI is going to continue to increase and the intensity of our product, I think that's important to note, is that, you know, we're using like 10 times more than we would use our sales or 10 times more than what we would normally sell in a normal CPU data center. And, you know, we're cautious when we think about how fast this is going to grow. We do think that, you know, it's going to be a strong market, but we're cautious in terms of the speed. You know, we have, you know, short memories on this 22, what happened related to broadband. And, you know, we're just a little bit cautious there, but we are investing in capacity and new product development in the market. And we believe we have we have gained some share in the first half. Related to CASA acquisition, I think our customers, first of all, our combined customers are very pleased with the deal. Because of CASA's financial situation, some projects were paused. And now we're seeing some of this free up. We're also seeing some good traction with virtual CMTS with our legacy customer base. It's still early, but I'd say that the combination of their virtual CMTS and ours is driving interest. In addition to their, you know, existing install base that they have, our customers are pleased that we're able to take over and provide that support.
Operator
Great. Thank you. Thank you. Our next question comes from Sameek Chatterjee
Kyle
from JP Morgan. Your line is open.
spk05
Thanks for taking my question. Pretty strong margins, given the revenue declines you're seeing. Maybe if you can just help us in relation to how much of the ComScope NEXT program has already been realized to deliver some of this EBITDA performance and how much of the revenue is being used. How much more sort of is there further that you can sort of think of or is the scope of ComScope NEXT something that you can expand upon to drive more EBITDA, sort of more flow through to EBITDA, given that the macro remains a bit more challenging? And I have a follow up. Thank you.
Kyle
Yeah. I mean, I think we obviously are pleased with, you know, the profitability performance of the business. I think as we've been mentioning in previous calls, you know, we've been very focused, you know, during the downturn, you know, to manage costs and position the business, you know, to generate, you know, stronger profitability, you know, on a percentage basis. You know, I think as we think about, you know, that moving forward, I think, you know, you know, staying at these levels is achievable. You know, there, you know, there probably is some upside, but you should also remember that, you know, during any specific quarter, you know, there are certain things that impact that profitability, you know, like mix, for example. You know, I think as we think about, you know, moving forward in ComScope NEXT, I mean, our ComScope NEXT initiatives are always evolving and we're coming up with new projects. You know, I think, you know, you know, probably the thing to mention is, you know, we've been talking about this hundred million dollars of cost savings, you know, that we've that we've gone in and implemented. You know, when we think about that hundred million, I would say that, you know, the large majority of that hundred million has been implemented and you're seeing it in the numbers now.
Chuck Treadway
Okay. The other thing I'd say, the other thing I'd say is in terms of growth, I believe that in the businesses, in terms of seeing where the market's going and developing those products for the market and on the cost side, the general manager model is also giving a lot of business ownership where our teams are really looking at the cost really a lot closer than you could do at a corporate level.
spk05
Okay, and just for my follow up, I mean, CCS, similar sort of strong performance on margins, are you able to comment whether the GNI related opportunity that you're seeing is better or sort of in line margin with the traditional opportunity with the broadband? And just a quick clarification for the guide, the 700 to 800 guideposts for the folio, what's the Q1 comparable number we should be using? We have the Q2, not sure I saw Q1 number, which we should be using in there to sort of get the implied second up. Thank you.
Kyle
Yeah, just on the GNI, I mean, we have, we get slightly better margins on those products versus the broadband products, you know, sort of on an average basis. And then on the Q1 guide, I mean, I think it should be in the materials, but it's 201 is the comparable adjustability. Okay, thank you. Thanks.
Operator
Thank you.
Kyle
Our next question comes from George Nauter from Jeffries. Your line is open.
George Nauter
Hi, guys. Thanks very much. Just continuing on the profitability strength, I think you said in the monologue that CCS had a one time favorable cost adjustment in the numbers. Could you just tell us what that was?
Kyle
This is some GNA cost and the timing of GNA. I mean, it's not, you know, it's not overly significant. It's between, you know, probably five and $10 million in the quarter.
George Nauter
Got
Kyle
it.
George Nauter
Okay. And were there, again, I'm just looking at the EBITDAO performance of the business. Were there any other sort of one time favorable items that rolled through here that maybe are not recurring? I guess I'm just trying to make sure that the EBITDAO strength is sustainable.
Kyle
Yeah, I think as we said in the prepared remarks, you know, and I, you know, a previous question, I mean, you know, MIX does drive, you know, some of that profitability. You know, as we move forward, you know, I think we can, you know, maintain close to these levels. You know, I don't think in the second half we expect the profitability, you know, percentage to get considerably better. But I think, you know, if MIX stays the way it is in Q2, we should be able to maintain those levels. Got it. Great.
George Nauter
And then the other one I just had, could you tell us on the CCS business, could you just give us a sense for how much of that revenue MIX goes to content providers or data center in general?
Kyle
Yeah, about in our CCS business, about 15% of our business goes to that market. Great. Okay. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you. Our next question comes from Stephen Fox
Kyle
from Fox Advisors. Your line is open.
spk11
Thank you. Good morning. First of all, question on cash flows. I understand we're going to be looking at the ongoing business in terms of estimates for cash flows, but I would imagine for the next couple quarters you can get some cash flow off of those seem to
Kyle
be specific number, but there's, you know, we obviously get the cash over the next few quarters between, you know, now and the close, we'll get that cash. And that would be included in our cash forecast that we talked about our guide to break even cash for the year.
spk11
Okay. And then in terms of the CCS business, the conversion margins quarter over quarter are significant, like, looks like sales went up 123 million profits went up 76 million. Can you break out sort of what was sort of typical conversion versus MIX versus just cost savings from your initiatives and any further detail for CCS?
Kyle
I mean, on the on the sequential improvement, you know, clearly the 20% increase that we had in CCS revenues, you know, we, you know, we don't see a big change in operating or period operating costs. So we get leverage on that. You know, I think as we think about, you know, the cost side versus the margins, the MIX side. You know, I think it's, you know, there's a there's a component of cost in it and there's a component of mix in it. I mean, we're not going to break it out. But, you know, I mean, there is a considerable amount of cost that we're managing out of the business that we've been talking about now for a few quarters.
spk11
Maybe I can ask it one other way real quick, which is you just posted 23 and a half percent CCS margins go from that level. Like, what's what's your typical conversion margins going to be? You know, if we took the current mix of business.
Kyle
We would think that we'd be at the current mix of business. We'd expect to stay close to those those margin levels. Okay, sorry. Thank you.
Kyle
Thank you. As a reminder to ask a question, you will need to press star one one on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced to withdraw your questions. Please press star one one again. Our next question comes from Simon Leopold from Raymond James. The line is open.
Simon Leopold
Thank you for taking a question. Just a hopefully simple clarification on that comment about 15 percent of from cloud. I want to make sure I understand what that that references is that hyper scale top 10 or all data centers. Just want to make sure I understand what that 15 percent number means.
Kyle
That would be our data center business.
Simon Leopold
So that's not hyper scale. Can you give us a sense of what? Yes, it is. Oh, it is.
Kyle
That's all inclusive.
Simon Leopold
Sorry, I'm slow today. So that includes enterprise data center and the cloud.
Kyle
Correct.
Simon Leopold
Okay. Are you able to break out what's cloud? No, we're not.
Chuck
No,
Kyle
we're not going to break that out.
Operator
Okay, thank you. Stand by. Our next question comes
Kyle
from that nickname from Deutsche Bank. Your line is open.
spk02
Hey, guys. Thanks for taking the question. Two, if I could first on inventory digestion. If you could help us think about where there are maybe more sizable buildups of inventory still remaining. Thanks. It sounds like CCS and OWN last quarter were maybe kind of nearing, you know, moving past some of that, but sounds like there's more of that still on the common ruckus and and ANS. So just wondering if you can help us think through where you still see some bigger buildups of inventory and then maybe on a somewhat related note on the ruckus business. Can you talk to any sort of macro headwinds you're seeing there in terms of any of that impacting customer decision making? Thank you.
Kyle
I'll take I'll take the first part of it and then Chuck and take the second part. You know,
Chuck
I
Kyle
ultimately just I just asked the question again, just so I can make sure I answer it properly.
spk02
Yeah, where I guess across the surviving segments, where do you see bigger inventory buildup that still need
Kyle
to be? Yeah, I got it. I was just the question on the CCS. So I think as we as we've talked about, you know, the ANS segment is a place that we have the inventory buildup. We definitely have built some in ruckus. So I think as we we said in the prepared remarks, you know, ANS and ruckus are sort of the two places that we have the inventory. And, you know, clearly, as we've talked about, as the sort of that recovery pushes out our ability to monetize that inventory becomes, you know, a little bit, you know, pushed out as well. You know, so I think we feel like there's still some good opportunity there. But as those businesses, you know, sort of lag in the recovery, you know, our ability to monetize just it just gets pushed out. And, you know, based on what we're seeing, you know, that probably, you know, we're not going to make any sizable move on that until 2025.
Chuck Treadway
Yeah, just to give you a little more clarification in terms of the customer customer leverage. You know, I would say the higher inventory is is an ANS with ANS cable operators. I think that's where we, you know, we we're seeing some push out in terms of, you know, when they are doing the, you know, needing to buy more because they had more than they needed. And they have to install that and then get that caught up. And that's, you know, we're we're expecting the second half to be better than the first on the ruckus side. We actually see the inventory in our channel actually normalized. And we think we're we're on the right track there in terms of, you know, order is going to match what what's really needed in the marketplace. In terms of headwinds, I would say, you know, customers in the market in the market, what's going on now? I believe there's, you know, good momentum. I think customers are starting to get excited about our Wi-Fi seven. Our ruckus one product and our go to and our vertical market go to market approach. So, you know, we're seeing orders pick up. I'm not seeing any macro headwinds at this point.
spk05
Thank
Kyle
you.
Operator
Thank you.
Kyle
Our next question comes from Simon Leopold from Raymond James. Your line is open.
Simon Leopold
Thanks for letting me back in. I think I dropped there. I wanted to ask a broader question around the amplifier opportunity within A&S. There are a couple of things you had mentioned here. One is the development of a unified platform. If we could get a sense of the timing of a unified FDX ESD platform. And then I know this is an opportunity that seems like it's it's slid out in time. But could you maybe help size how you see that over over the long term as a revenue opportunity for specifically amplifiers for CommScope?
Chuck Treadway
Yeah. So on the unified on the unified doctors, we're working, you know, with a with the leading silicon provider there of that product. And, you know, we I'd say are close to having a product. We're looking for the show, you know, at the time of the show to have something. But we're working well together with the technology teams, the silicon providers and our customers to develop that product that allows, you know, customers to use FDX or 1.8 ESD. In terms of amplifiers, you know, we're getting very good feedback from from the major players in that space, whether it's an FDX amplifier or an ESD amplifier. And, you know, you can imagine how many amplifiers they have in the field. And as they move to change that, you know,
Chuck
you
Chuck Treadway
know, will
Chuck
be the player there. Thank you.
Operator
Thank
Kyle
you. This concludes our question and answer session. I would now like to turn it back to Chuck for closing remarks.
Chuck Treadway
Yes, thank you for your time today. I appreciate your interest in CommScope and have a great rest of your week. Thank you.
Operator
Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect.
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