8/18/2025

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Hello and welcome to Freitas Q2 2025 earnings conference call. A press release with detailed financial results was released earlier today and is available on the investor relations section of our website freitas.com slash investors. My name is Anati Ron-Heilborn and I'm joined today by Dr. Tzvi Schreiber, the CEO of Freitas and Pablo Piniers, CFO. Today, we also have pleasure in inviting Dr. Udo Lang, recently appointment chairman of the board to share brief remarks at the call. Following the prepared remarks, we will open the call for questions. We are sharing slides during the call and using video, so we recommend using Zoom on a computer rather than dialing in by phone. The slides, as well as a recording of this earnings call, will be available on our website shortly after the call. Please be aware that today's discussion contains forward looking statements which are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. Actual results may differ materially due to various risk factors. Please refer to today's press release and our SEC filings for more information on risk factors and other factors which could impact forward looking statements. Copies of these reports are available online. In discussing the results of our operations, we'll be providing and referring to certain non-IFRS financial measures. You can find reconciliations to the more directly comparable IFRS financial measures, along with additional information regarding those non-IFRS financial measures in the press release on our website at Fretus.com slash investors. The company undertakes no obligation to update any information discussed in this call at any time. Before we begin, I'd like to note our upcoming investor events. In September, Fretus will participate in the H.C. Wainwright annual investment conference in New York. In October, the company will participate in the LD micro main event conference in San Diego. Links to webcasts when applicable and other event updates can be found on our website. In addition, at the end of September, we will be holding our annual Freighter Conference for industry executives from around the world in Barcelona. If you would like to attend, please email us at IR at Fretus.com. Today's earnings call will begin with an intro by Zvi, brief remarks from our chairman, Dr. Ude Lang, and then an overview of Q2 performance by Zvi. Next, Pablo will present the financial results and the guidance for Q3 and full year 2025. We will conclude with Q&A. Questions can be submitted in writing during the call by using the Q&A feature in Zoom. Zvi, please go ahead.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Thanks, thanks, Alan. And welcome, everyone. We'll start with updates on our board of directors before moving on to the business review. As you saw in our recent announcement, Udo Lang has been appointed chairman of the board after being a board observer and then director for seven years. Udo is over three decades of global logistics leadership. He's currently CEO of Stolt Nielsen, a sizable ocean liner and logistics company, and was previously president of Healthcare Logistics and Americas International at FedEx Logistics, where he was also a customer of Freighters. We also welcomed Rotem Hershko to our board, Rotem Ads Platform Technology and Logistics Expertise, having led global e-commerce operations at Amazon and served as chief product officer at Musk Logistics. These board changes reflect an exciting new chapter for Freighters as we continue growing and maturing as a public company. And I'm confident they'll help us to get even more value from our board, as well as even stronger governance. Now, it's my pleasure to introduce you to Udo, and then I'll be back to walk you through the quarters highlights and outlook. Udo.

speaker
Dr. Udo Lang
Chairman of the Board

Yeah, thank you so much, Svi. First, let me introduce myself. I met Svi and the team when I was a customer of Freighters, a CEO of FedEx Logistics. And I was so impressed by Freighters' vision to digitalize international freight that I had drive the decision by FedEx to invest in the company in 2018. And I was a board advisor for a number of years before joining the board. One of the most exciting aspects of Freighters for me as a former customer, director, and now as chairman, is the breadth of the vision and the platform. Freighters spans carriers, freight forwarders, and both SMB and enterprise importers and exporters across air, ocean, and some land. That footprint is incredibly powerful, truly unique, and underpins our ability to deliver a seamless -to-end solution for international freight. As a Curial Logistics executive, I can confirm to you that the opportunity to digitalize this industry is vast. Over the last seven years, I've seen Freighters grow into a leading global freight platform. Stepping into the role of chairman marks not only a personal milestone for me, but also a new chapter for the company, one that reflects its maturity. The role allows me to focus on drawing out the full value of our board of directors, facilitating strong engagement, aligning diverse expertise with our strategic priorities, and ensuring we are providing meaningful support to management. I'm excited about the opportunities ahead and look forward to helping position Freighters to capture the significant market potential in digitalizing global trade. I'm already enjoying working with our newest director Rotem. His track record in scaling complex technology-driven logistics platforms will be instrumental as we refine and expand our portfolio. As a chairman, I'm excited to work with the board and management to build the booking.com of international freight. Back to Sveet.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Thanks, Udo. I think we've reached a stage where we're separating the role of CEO and chairman is positive for our governance and very much look forward to working with you as chairman. So let's turn to the business review. I'm pleased to report another quarter of strong performance with record revenue and our 22nd consecutive quarter of record transactions. In Q2, we facilitated 397,000 transactions, a 26% increase compared to the same period last year, demonstrating consistent transaction growth. Our platforms reach expanded with the addition of new buyers, as well as notable carriers, including China Airlines and Air Europa, pushing our total to 75 carriers. This expansion combined with the continued relevance of our comprehensive portfolio of solutions has been instrumental in achieving record revenue, underscoring freight as a strong performance and strategic growth trajectory. Let's talk about the market that we operate in, leveraging our unique data. The air cargo market remains solid in Q2, with market volumes up 3% compared to Q2 last year. This strength comes despite the US ending the de minimis exemption for low value imports from China in May, which had been a big driver of e-commerce air cargo. While China-US demand has eased since then, stronger volumes on other lanes like Asia-Europe have kept the overall market growing. At the same time, more capacity and freighters freed up from China-US services and they may have put some pressure on rates. The Freitas Air Index, FAX, global benchmark, average for Q2, decreased 15% year on year despite the volume gains. In ocean freight, tariff changes drove sharp swings in transpacific volumes, with front loading ahead of tariff deadlines boosting demand in Q2. Rates rose 43% from Q1, but were still 11% lower than last year, reflecting capacity growth and signs of overcapacity that will keep downward pressure on prices. As for the impact on Freitas, we believe that in recent months tariffs have had a mixed impact on our business. On the tailwind side, market volatility and rapidly changing trade conditions have actually increased the need for our marketplace and our real-time data. We also believe some of the recent strength in air cargo volumes may reflect short-term pull-forward activity ahead of tariff changes. These dynamics play to our strengths as customers turn to Freitas for alternatives, price transparency and flexibility. When supply chains need to adapt quickly. On the other hand, on the headwind side, elevated tariffs on specific lanes, most notably the brief 145% China US tariff for a few weeks, did lead to a dip in platform transactions on that lane. However, this trade lane is a small part of our overall platform activity. In addition, during periods of high uncertainty, some enterprise customers in our solutions business have been more cautious in committing to large contracts, delaying decision-making until conditions become clearer. But overall, the impact of the trade war is minor when compared to the secular trend of digitalization, which really drives our long-term growth. Now let's discuss progress in our main strategic areas. Our business is organized into two revenue segments, platform and solutions. And the third focus area, network effects, underpins our sustainable competitive advantage and capital-efficient growth. Starting with our platform. In Q2, our platform further strengthened its role in connecting importers, exporters, freight forwarders and carriers. We maintained robust transaction volume growth, making it marking the 22nd consecutive quarter of record transactions with 397,000 transactions representing a 26% -over-year growth. Our platform's resilience and versatility continue to shine, adapting to the complexities of today's trade environment. We expanded our network by adding airlines such as China Airlines, a top 15 air cargo carrier in the world, enhancing our coverage on critical Asia-Europe, America's roots and Europa, a vital addition to strengthening key Spain to Latin America trade lanes, bringing a total to 75 carriers. This strategic expansion into Asia with China Airlines underscores our commitment to being a truly global platform. Looking ahead, there are still some major Asian airlines we would like to see expand and we're continuously working towards that. Importantly, despite our strong transactions growth and while maintaining our position as the market leader in digital, our penetration rate within the global air cargo market is still low. The market is still mostly offline, so there is huge growth potential. Currently, Freitas is typically accounting for less than 10% of the overall bookings received by any given airline, although we estimate that we may be approaching or even exceeding 10% in specific regions, especially in Europe. In our last call, we mentioned an agreement to reach we reached with a major North American ground transportation provider. And during the quarter, we announced the partners identity as Ford Air Corporation. Connecting air and ground transportation seamlessly aligns with our goal of adding more value to each platform transaction and growing our platform in multiple ways. This includes the addition of new types of transaction and enriching existing ones with additional services, creating new buyer-seller combinations and leveraging our growing data assets. As we expand platform growth by enabling more types of transactions, an important focus is increasing the liquidity of ocean capacity. While much of the ocean industry still remains on legacy systems, lacks modern APIs or digital connections, or is only beginning to explore platform based commercial models, we're finally seeing some concrete signs of progress as ocean liners own customer as ocean liners find that their own customers push for digitalized bookings and rate management. This demand is influencing carrier priorities, creating opportunities for deeper integrations that can bring ocean freight closer to the level of connectivity already seen in air and other modes. So specifically in Q2, we reached a major milestone with one of the world's largest ocean container carriers completing a fully integrated contract and spot booking connection. We gained access to their modern API late last year, finalized the integration in Q1 and processed our first e-booking with them in Q2. Unlike previous integrations, this integration is comprehensive. It covers both contract and spot in a single -to-end workflow for rate and booking management. The comprehensiveness of this solution with one carrier delivers substantial value in ocean freight where shipment volumes and costs are high. Our freight forwarder and shipper customers have been asking for digital bookings for containers for years and gradual advances in carrier technology are now finally making that possible one carrier at a time. Looking ahead, we expect more carriers to modernize their IT. While it will take time for ocean freight to become a major contributor to our KPIs, each new integration like the one we had in Q2 expands our addressable market in container shipping and brings us closer to that goal. In our solution segment, we made significant strides this quarter achieving a 36% -over-year increase in revenue, a nice achievement given the market. This growth reflects our proactive approach in expanding product capabilities and deepening client relationships. One specific highlight was the successful deployment of contract benchmarking feature within Freitas Terminal, our data product. Prior to acquiring Shipster, Freitas Terminal data product was only really offering spot market data. Using data from Freitas Enterprise which builds on the technology we acquired from Shipster as well as other sources, we have expanded our capability and are now helping enterprises to benchmark their contract rates against the market. For context, if you're a global 1000 retailer or manufacturer spending hundreds of millions on international shipping, the ability to sharpen your rate negotiation with data from Freitas based on real market data can be worth millions. Among our freight forwarding customers, a notable expanding partnership is with Seco Logistics, a global freight forwarder and logistics company. By integrating Freitas freight forwarder solutions, Seco is streamlining access to both air and ground carrier rates. This results in faster, more accurate quoting to the importers and exporters that they serve. This expansion is example of our commitment to providing scalable solutions that drive efficiency and meet the growing demands of modern logistics. It also highlights our fast growth opportunity with existing customers. While we already serve 19 of the world's largest 20 freight forwarders and thousands more, we have significant room to continue expanding our solution offering to them, given our comprehensive and ever evolving portfolio. Turning to shippers, there is, that is importers and exporters, we achieved notable wins this quarter. A leading North American fiber networking company chose Freitas Procure to replace their current solutions for negotiating freight tenders. Some of the winning features were our data, our ERP integration capabilities. Similarly, a top global retailer signed a multi-year contract with us, highlighting the value of Freitas Procure solutions and optimizing freight sourcing. Having said that, given the current economic conditions, we have seen certain deals with big shippers taking longer to close. We continue to enhance our portfolio with AI playing a growing role in what we offer. We've long used AI to improve efficiency and accuracy in our internal operations, and we're now introducing AI based features into our solutions, leveraging our unique data. This combination provides a competitive edge and enables us to deliver greater value to our customers, helping them optimize their logistics strategies and reinforcing our leadership in international freight innovation. Moving to network effects, we continue to observe robust cohort performance from both buyers and sellers on our platform. Unique by users increased by 6% year over year to a total of 20,200, reflecting the sustained appeal of our offerings. Furthermore, transactions per user also saw growth compared to the previous quarter. Our cohort data highlights a positive trajectory. Once freight forward is engaged with our platform, their booking volumes tend to increase steadily over time, demonstrating long-term value realization. On the carrier side, we're witnessing strong adoption trends with cohorts of carriers consistently expanding their participation on the platform. This growing engagement from both buyers and sellers fuels a positive feedback loop, reinforcing our competitive position and driving sustainable growth. In summary, Q2 was another robust quarter, reflecting our continued success in navigating challenging conditions as we advance our mission to digitalize global freight. We remain on track to deliver strong growth while achieving breakeven by the end of next year. Well, thank you, and I'll now hand the call over to Pablo to discuss our financial results in greater detail.

speaker
Pablo Piniers
CFO

Thank you, Svee, and good day, everyone. I'm pleased to report that we continue to build momentum into Q2 despite the dynamic economic landscape. Our Q2 results reflect the relevance of our offering and our consistent execution capabilities. We successfully surpassed our guidance in transactions, gross booking value, and revenue, demonstrating the sustained demand for our digital solutions. Even though currency fluctuations negatively impacted profitability, our adjusted EBITDA was within our guidance thanks to our focus on discipline cost controls. Now, let's take a look at the specifics of our revenue growth. We reported revenue of $7.4 million, marking a 31% increase year over year. Platform revenue of $2.5 million was up 23% year over year, marking our fourth consecutive quarters of growth that exceeded 20% year on year. Growth continues to be higher on the web cargo platform that connects carriers with freight forwarders than for the freightos.com platform that connects freight forwarders with importers and exporters. Solutions revenue of $4.9 million was up 36% year over year. Gross margin on IFRS basics was approximately 67% in Q2, up from 65% in Q2 last year. Non-IFRS gross margin increased to nearly 74% from 72% last year. Operating profitability benefit from revenue growth, gross margin expansion, and our discipline cost management. But these benefits were partially mitigated by foreign currency fluctuations, especially the euro and the shekel appreciate against the dollar during the quarter, impacting our adjusted bidda and holding it back from showing an even greater improvement. Adjusted bidda for the second quarter was negative $2.5 million, compared with negative $3.1 million in Q2, 2024. It is important to note that our effective hedging strategies have mitigated the effect of a change rate in an overall task position. We remain on track to achieve break- in the balance sheet as we progress towards our profitability goals while continue our measure investments in the business. For the third quarter of 2025, we anticipate transactions in the range of 419,000 to 425,000, reflecting a year over year growth rate of 24 to 25%. For the full year, we have increased our transactions guidance to reflect the strength already delivered in the first half and our expectations for the robust platform activity to continue. In Q3, we project GDP between 329 and $333 million, reflecting a growth rate of 51 to 53% year over year. Our full year estimate for gross booking value has also been raised, in line with transactions and with the prevailing market rates. Revenue for the third quarter is expected to be $7.6 and $7.7 million, up at a 23 to 25% increase year over year. We have narrowed our full year revenue guidance to the range of $29.5 to $30 million. This reflects our confidence in achieving sustained growth balance with some cautions with respect to longer sales cycles potentially impacting our solutions revenue. In terms of adjusted the bidda, in the third quarter of 2020, we anticipate a loss between $2.6 and $2.5 million and a loss between $10.9 and $10.5 million for the full year. This reflects our expectations for a continued FX impact. As we navigate the latter half of the year, we remain focused on executing our growth initiatives, maximizing operational efficiency and moving closer to break-even adjusted the bidda by the end of 2026. Thank you for your attention. We are now open to questions.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

So the first question will come from the line of Jason Helstein. Actually, Aitam, can you please enable that?

speaker
Steve
Analyst

Hi everyone, this is Steve from and on for Jason. Two questions from us. One, so you raised full year GBV guidance but kept revenue at the midpoint largely unchanged. Is there something that you're seeing that would suggest take-rate weakness for the second half? And then just curious on an update on how the ship's stock position is helping you drive solutions revenue. Thanks.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Yeah, thanks, Steve. Yeah, I think it's as usual, it's to do with the transactions. There are certain types of transactions like portal, which are performing well, contributing to GBV and of course contributing to revenue as well, but contributing a little less in terms of the mix. So overall, everything's going the right direction, but sometimes the transactions which have the lower take-rate sort of grow faster and bring down the mix a bit, but all going in the right direction. And oh, sorry, Steve, what was your second question?

speaker
Steve
Analyst

Just curious if you could give some color on how Sheeps does helping drive the software business.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Yeah, very well. I mean, we don't even break out Shipster anymore. We just call it now, their product is called Freitas Procure, but it's mostly sold as the Freitas Enterprise Suite. And yeah, we've had some specific wins of cross-sells. So as we anticipated, we're selling, it's still a handful, but some big names who bought Freitas Procure, which is Shipster and now buying our data, who bought our data and now buying Shipster Procure. So it's helping us in terms of cross-sell and just having a more interesting portfolio. Some of the names, well, I didn't have permission to say names, but some of the big enterprises I referred to in my remarks definitely were helped by the fact that we have the broader suite now. And also it's an important source of data. So I mentioned that we've now, one of the big moves, sort of steps forward for Freitas Terminal is that we now have contract data as well as short-term spot data, which is a really important enhancement of Freitas Terminal. And in a large part, that's part of the data asset we acquired with Shipster. So, so, you know, it's, we're really achieving the strategic benefits that we hoped for that. And it's exactly a year, I think almost to the day, since we closed that deal. So it was a timely question. Great. Thank you. Thanks,

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Steve. The next question will come from George Sudden.

speaker
George
Analyst

George. Thank you. Zvi, I've been doing this long enough to know that you're excited, you're newly excited about Ocean. Yes. And I'm curious if you could give us some sense of what's driving the pressure. Obviously you've got few Ocean players. Where is the pressure coming for the modernization?

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Yes. So, yeah, you know, one, we've been discussing this, as you say, George, for a while, but I'm pleased that this quarter we have a, you know, a concrete step, another major carrier live with us. And remember Ocean is a pretty consolidated industry, you know this, George, but for the benefit of other people on the call, you know, each carrier can be, you know, each big carrier can be 10 or 20% of the world market. So each one is a big win, even more than in air, where the biggest carriers are sort of 6% or so of the market, the biggest Ocean line is 20%. And so each carrier is a big win. I'd love to tell you the pressure's coming, you know, that they just so much want to work with Freitas, that's part of it. But really, of course, what we're leveraging here is our network. So it's not so much that they want to work with us, but they want to work with our network. We have these big freight forwarders, we have these big enterprise retailers and manufacturers. And these guys are just fed up of getting Excel sheets. Yeah, it's very simple. You know, the value proposition is just you send Excel sheets, there's a delay, there's mistakes, you know, just give them a digital connection. So more than ourselves, we're leveraging our customer base to just remind the ocean carriers that there's a way you do these things in the 21st century and emailing Excel is not that way anymore. And it's happening one step at a time.

speaker
George
Analyst

So I wanted to take advantage of having Udo on the call, given his background, and he had sort of I wondered if he could just give his his perspective on that opportunity, and also the secular dynamics that you referred to offsetting everything else right now.

speaker
Dr. Udo Lang
Chairman of the Board

Yeah, thank you so much for the question. So I think we are really at a great moment right now at Freitas. And with my appointment, we really also drive a clear focus where we are we are so much at how can we win now and how can we win in future. So with these changes, three in the management team can fully focus on driving the full value that we have a freighters and then I can work with the board but also bring in new expertise into the board like Rotem, which helps us to accelerate. So how we really look at this business, we want to win now. And I think growth rates but then also delivering on our break even in regards to EBITDA. But then even more important, we also want to win in the future, win this race towards booking.com and deliver tremendous shareholder value. So how do we do this? We really look at our portfolio as part of our annual strategy process. And we just went through this. And we go through our solutions and we look at what is the maturity of the solution that we have and what is the hyper growth potential that each of these solutions have. And based on that, we then decide where do we allocate resources to drive even value faster.

speaker
George
Analyst

Perfect. Thank you guys. Nice job. Thanks, George.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Okay, next are a couple of questions from Ablay Zimano. The first one is with the appointment of a new chairman and additional board expertise, are you evaluating any strategic changes or new growth areas that could further diversify and accelerate revenue growth?

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Well, you know, thanks for the question, Ablay. We review that the whole time because the world is dynamic. Right now, we've not decided and not necessarily expecting to decide on any major changes. As Udo mentioned, we're always fine tuning where we prioritize resources. So we do that often. Certainly as we budget for next year, we'll do that again and fine tune the resource allocation. But not having decided and not necessarily expecting to make any dramatic changes. One thing, of course, that is horizontal is that we're looking at AI in every aspect of the business internally and within the product. That's something which we do anyway. But otherwise, we're really, you know, expecting to carry on largely on the same business plan, which is working well for us.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Another question from Ablay is you mentioned FX headwinds moderating adjustability data. Can you quantify how much FX impacted Q2 profitability and what portion of that is structurally hedged versus still exposed in half due?

speaker
Pablo Piniers
CFO

Sure. So thank you for the question. So as I said, the FX fluctuations were significant in the quarter. And with more than half of our operating expenses in euro and shekels, the dollar depreciation affected our adjustability data to the point that we landed in the bottom of the expectations instead of exceeding them. So yes, we quantify that we would have exceeded our expectations for adjustability data. And to the second part of the question about what portion of that is structurally hedged, I can tell you and you can see in the financial results that the from a finance interest in the under adjusted data, we have been able to cover almost 100% of the hedging.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Yes, I think Pablo has really done, Pablo and the team have really done a great job this. You know, this doesn't affect our cash or our strength as a company in any way. It's just a cosmetic thing that the fluctuations appear over the EBITDA line and the hedging appears below. So it affects our EBITDA number but doesn't actually weaken our business in any way whatsoever. Except perhaps marginally, but really, it's mostly covered.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

A question, I'll switch to a question that came over email with two and a half years after you warrants until they expire. Do you plan to do anything about that structure?

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

About the warrants? No, I think the warrants, I mean, there's a bunch of warrants out there, but the strike price is high. I think it's $11.50, isn't it? Which is unfortunately far from our market price. So I don't think it's an overhang that actually bothers anyone. So at this time, we've got no plans to spend time and money dealing with that.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Okay, the next question is from Scott Bach. With the introduction of tariffs, are you seeing any change in the booking schedule? Are customers booking earlier, waiting longer to make their booking decisions?

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Yeah, I mean, certainly in the second quarter, tariffs were driving a lot of decisions. Now tariffs have kind of settled down to some extent. So the US has done, has signed trade agreements with a bunch of countries. The tariffs are very high, the higher than they've been for 100 years. And I don't think that's actually good for anyone. But at least the fact that it's settled down is definitely helpful. So there's the uncertainty was worse than the uncertainty is even worse than having high tariffs. But in Q2, certainly there were as announcements came from the White House in rapid succession, people try to quickly ship ahead or wait for the agreement. So that was definitely driving behavior. Now I think less, because not all but most of the tariffs are this there's a lot more that most of them seem to have settled down. So now people are trying to get back to long term planning and trying to do less sort of, you know, whiplash shipping.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Okay, next question. Why do you think the international freight shipping is not fully digitalized until now?

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

There's a great question. And I don't fully know the answer. It's clearly a very, you know, it's a very fragmented industry, a very international industry, very conservative industry. And but but even so, there's no excuse, it should have been digitalized by now. But the good news is, good news is, it isn't giving giving us the opportunity that we have. So I'm grateful for the fact that there's this one non digitized industry left for us all to

speaker
Dr. Udo Lang
Chairman of the Board

digitalize. Maybe I can add something there out of my experience with customers. I think what is interesting right now, in these times of supply chain complexity, customers are actually even stronger leaning into digitalization. And as part of that, including solutions that freighters has is actually becoming more front and center. And that helps and also in interfacing with the airlines, with the ocean liners and the rest of the ecosystem. So I think these these changes in the overall from a trade perspective, and this book environment, actually playing nicely into our growth story and showing that now it's even more important to digitalize with the freighters capabilities.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Thanks, Udo. And now our last question, can you please expand on how you expect to be given by the end of next year? Would it require the same 2025 revenue growth and margin? Or would you need further improvements?

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

I think Pablo largely on the same trends we get there, right? I

speaker
Pablo Piniers
CFO

can answer that. The first thing that I want to say is that the confidence to break even in Q4 2026 is 100%. And we, if you look at the long term model, and

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

very high, I don't like to say 100%.

speaker
Pablo Piniers
CFO

If you look at the long term model that we that we put out there with the same growth ratios that we are delivering right now and improving in the in the gross margins, we will get to break even in Q4 2026. We may get in the operational expenses as we plan from a flat investment perspective for minimal growth.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

So if there's any inflection point in the industry or other accelerant, that would be even better. But we're planning to get there even without assuming any any sort of extra tailwind.

speaker
Anati Ron-Heilborn
Head of Investor Relations

Okay. I believe that concludes all the questions. Always you can ask, you can send us more questions to -fraiders.com. Have a good day, everyone.

speaker
Dr. Tzvi Schreiber
CEO

Thanks, everyone. Thank you.

Disclaimer

This conference call transcript was computer generated and almost certianly contains errors. This transcript is provided for information purposes only.EarningsCall, LLC makes no representation about the accuracy of the aforementioned transcript, and you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on the information provided by the transcript.

-

-