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spk05: Good morning. My name is Amanda, and I will be your conference operator today. I would like to welcome everyone to Kronos Group 2022 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. Today's call is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Shane Laidlaw, Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk08: Thank you, Amanda, and thank you for joining us today to review Kronos Group's 2022 First Quarter Financial and Business Performance. Today, I am joined by our Chairman, President, and CEO, Mike Gornstein, and our CFO, Bob Mador. Kronos Group issued a news release announcing these financial results this morning, which are filed on our EDGAR and CDAR profiles. This information, as well as the prepared remarks, will also be posted on our website under Investor Relations. Before I turn the call over to Mike, let me remind you that we may make forward-looking statements and refer to non-GAAP financial measures during this call. These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. Factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from expectations are detailed in our earnings materials and our SEC filings that are available on our website, by which any forward-looking statements made during this call are qualified in their entirety. Information about Mountain Gap financial measures, including reconciliations to U.S. Gap, can also be found in the earnings materials that are available on our website. We will now make prepared remarks, and then we will move into a question-and-answer session. With that, I'll pass it over to Kronos Group's Chairman, President, and CEO, Mike Gorenstein.
spk07: Thanks, Shane. I don't know if you miss me as much as I've missed all of you, but since this is a one-way line, I'm just going to go ahead and dive right in. I founded Kronos because of the once in a lifetime opportunity to help build and shape an industry that has the potential to improve countless lives. As CEO, I am committed to re-instilling a startup culture with a founder's mentality across all levels of the organization. I want to thank our dedicated employees who have worked very hard and continue to bring their passion for the industry and for Kronos to work with them every day as we navigate our strategic realignment. We have set a strong foundation for ourselves We have a lot more work ahead of us in continuing to execute our vision. Since this is my first call back as CEO, I will start off by explaining Chronos' strategy. Then I'll outline my four immediate priorities and finish with some color on our encouraging results this quarter. The evolving legalization of the cannabis industry presents a lot of opportunities for value creation in different verticals such as agriculture, ingredient supply, branded products, distribution, and retail. While many of the most well-known cannabis companies are characterized by pursuing an asset-heavy, vertically integrated model, Kronos is different. We believe that by focusing our resources on being the best branded products company, we will be able to win with consumers versus companies trying to be all things to everyone. There is more than enough opportunity in the cannabis industry to create tremendous shareholder value by winning in any one vertical, and ours is branded cannabinoid products. When I started Kronos seven years ago, I picked Canada because it was the first federally legal market. And that created a unique opportunity to develop intellectual property, build an elite team, and ultimately have a leading branded portfolio of disruptive borderless products that we could deploy in other markets like the US as they open up. That is still our strategy today. And as I'll discuss later, we are starting to see the results with consumers in Canada and Israel. Creating an iconic branded cannabinoid product is about identifying a consumer need and building a product that hits that need. Like other consumer products, cannabinoid products are differentiated by taste, aroma, appearance, the look-feel of the product, and the story of the brand. But perhaps the most important point of differentiation for us is the effect. There are well over 100 unique cannabinoids that individually and in combination deliver different effects. And we continue to advance a disruptive platform that can deliver differentiated experiences, leveraging rare cannabinoids through custom-tailored delivery systems that delight consumers in ways that legacy cannabis products could not. We're aware that winning in the brand and product vertical is not an easy task, and I want to address that head on. There is fierce competition in every mature legal market, and the illicit market is extremely resilient. But most of that competition is focused on price rather than quality and differentiation. As a legal cannabinoid company, we have a natural cost disadvantage to the illicit market in North America with the tax and regulatory framework. But we also have a unique advantage to deliver iconic branded products because we have the resources to think long term and innovate. That is why it's so important for us to take the time to create the best products because it enables us to win on quality rather than competing in a race to the bottom. We believe that better will beat first. And we've seen that through the performance of our leading borderless innovations in the market today, like Sours by Spinach and Spinach Fields. And we believe that these superior borderless products will win with consumers in other markets as well. Now that we've level set the Kronos identity and strategy, I want to discuss my four key priorities. First, delivering margin accretive growth, focusing on adult use products. During my first day as CEO, you heard me primarily focus on building our platform. doing research, and developing a great pipeline of branded products. After years of hard work and investment, we now have a solid platform, great institutional knowledge of what consumers want and what cannabinoids can do, and great branded products hitting the market. My first priority is validating the Kronos investment thesis by delivering top-line growth. We want to outgrow the industry in both Canada and Israel, and I want to make sure we are growing in the right way, and that means margin of creative growth. I've talked in the past about being okay with having higher OpEx and variable costs in the beginning of our product launch cycle to prove out the demand and get to critical mass. With the results we've been seeing from our products that are in market today, we're able to start focusing on improving margins. Second, increased operational efficiencies, disciplined expense management, and leading a successful transition from our Peace Naturals campus to a more agile supply chain. Our business model was never to be the farmer. The wind down of our operations at our Peace Naturals campus further aligns us with our priorities of focusing on brands and R&D. We now feel confident that the industry and our supply chain in Canada are at a maturity level where we can implement this approach. The Peace Naturals campus is where it all began for us, so the closing is sad for me personally. I want to take a moment to recognize the contributions of the team members there. We wouldn't be where we are today without their hard work and dedication. We will always think of them as part of the Kronos family. Optimizing our supply chain is a great start, but I want to make sure that we get back to operating like a lean, scrappy startup, so we will continue to evaluate our cost structure across all areas of the business. Third, focusing investments on the highest return opportunities, specifically borderless investments. We will continue to invest in our innovation pipeline to bring consumers the products they want and novel products that can surprise and delight. It is important to us to have superior branded products that we can consistently replicate, produce, and distribute in multiple jurisdictions as they open up in the future. We're creating borderless innovations that we test, learn, and improve in the Canadian market with our spinach brand. The success of Spinach is proof that we have the fundamentals right and our borderless products winning in Canada is one of the best ways to be prepared for legalization in other markets. We also want to continue to drive rare cannabinoid development and commercialization. Rare cannabinoids give us the ability to differentiate our products by delivering unique effects that hit specific consumer needs. Launching our rare cannabinoid sub-brand, Spinach Feels, a platform designed to deliver unique and enhanced experiences made possible through proprietary blends of rare cannabinoids, is a great example of a borderless product. Our cultured CVG gummy and vape product lineup are doing well in market, and we're just getting started. I want our company to be mission-ready to execute on bringing our amazing borderless products to new markets with speed and efficiency, and we have a very exciting innovation pipeline to execute on. And last, but certainly not least, positioning Kronos to ultimately win in the US cannabis market. We bring most of our adult use products to consumers in Canada, but we continue to conduct extensive consumer insight work in all the regions in which we operate, with a specific focus on the adult use market in the US. The US remains a great place to learn more about the evolution of consumer preferences, while we focus on creating approaches and strategies to win in the markets we operate in today. During my time serving as executive chairman, I was focused on assessing opportunities in the U.S. The deal we did with Pharmacan set the strong foundation for entry into the U.S., and we will continue to foster potential strategic relationships that we expect will enable adult use success in the U.S. With our evolving product portfolio and the most robust balance sheet in cannabis, I believe we sit in a solid position to execute on the branded cannabinoid product opportunity in the U.S., both through organic product development and disciplined and opportunistic M&A. Turning to our results, I want to highlight the progress in our rest of world segment, which is led by strong performance in both Canada and Israel. First in Canada, we continue to streamline our branded adult use portfolio to focus on spinach and continue to organically grow market share across Canada. According to HIFIRE data, in the first quarter of 2022, spinach held an approximate 17% market share in the gummies category. The three original Sours by Spinach gummies all rank in the top 10 for market share in Canada. In March, we launched the fourth flavor of Sours by Spinach, Cherry Lime, which is also quickly climbing the market share ranks. Given we launched our first gummy in July of 21, the rapid consumer adoption of Sours demonstrates our theory that first isn't always best and our strong ability to deliver differentiated borderless products. We continue to bolster our spinach flower offering to meet consumer demand for larger formats that don't compromise on quality. We recently launched Wedding Cake and will continue to bring our highly sought-after, strain-specific, large-format SKUs to market. Our growth is coming from branded products, not a value play that is an outlet for lower-quality flower. Our success in the flower category is the culmination of years of genetic breeding work, allowing us to now launch these great strains in markets. Similar to the agriculture market, we think the long-term value created in the flour category will largely come from breeding proprietary genetics. And as we've seen from our success in Israel, we believe this is the best way to create successful borderless flour products. Vapes is an area where we don't want to just compete, we want to win. Following the switch to offering one gram formats and the launch of our CBG vape, we are starting to see market share pick up in this category. According to HIFIRE data, In April, our spinach vape portfolio entered the top 10 in market share in Ontario. Following this achievement, we are launching new vape products in May in Alberta, BC, and Manitoba, including Cosmic Green Apple and Polar Mint Vortex, in an effort to continue to expand national market share within the category. Pre-rolls are a category we think we can win in as well. Long-term, we expect pre-rolls to become an increasingly more important category and believe there is a lot of opportunity to differentiate. Like gummies, we don't need to be first to market. We want to be the best. We're working on several developments within this category and look forward to sharing more news with you when the time comes. Now I want to turn to one of the most underappreciated aspects of the Kronos story, Israel. The Israel market is the best example of how quickly the cannabis industry can reach its potential with the right regulatory framework. The Israeli cannabis regulator, the IKAR, has done a great job of setting up a regulatory framework that provides superior patient access to cannabis and also a great opportunity for sustainable industry growth. For Kronos, Israel isn't an opportunity to place excess supply from Canada. It is a core market for us to deliver branded products that meet the needs of our consumers. We believed and invested early in Israel, back in 2017, and have boots on the ground actively manufacturing and selling Peace Naturals products. Our strong position in Israel has helped Kronos gain recognition in the market with pharmacy operators and consumers and led to us achieving top three market share. These efforts have resulted in revenue within Israel of 9.1 million in the first quarter, up approximately 90% from fourth quarter of 21, and approximately 260% from the first quarter of 21. Our results compare to an overall Israeli market that experienced an approximate 40% year-over-year growth and kilos sold in the first quarter. We are confident we have a long runway of growth ahead of us in Israel, both from our products that are already in market and the opportunity to launch more borderless products. As a reminder, we started this year by undertaking a realignment of the business to better position Kronos to drive profitable and sustainable long-term growth. This realignment puts our brands and products at the focal point. We announced two primary changes to the organizational structure, First, we centralized functions under common leadership, which is already bearing fruit in cost savings and driving faster decision making. And second, we announced the planned exit of our Peace Naturals campus in Stainer to further drive our asset light model. With a substantial portion of our Canadian manufacturing moving to Kronos GroCo while we continue to maintain other third party manufacturing relationships. We are working fast to build out our own space within GroCo to support our needs moving forward. we are incredibly pleased with the cultivation operations at GroCo and continue to purchase high quality dried flower from them. This marks a milestone in the evolution of our supply chain. And you're seeing some of the beneficial cobs show through in the margin, which Bob will speak to about at greater length during his remarks. High level, we were able to purchase high quality flower from GroCo for less than what our internal cost of cultivation was at the Peace Naturals campus. And since we also own 50% of the equity, There is additional upside to the margin improvement we get from shifting to GroCo that will show up through bottom line contribution. GroCo is more than just a part of our supply chain. It is an underappreciated asset with hidden value. GroCo is really just getting started, and while we are their largest customer, if you exclude our purchases, they still had revenue of approximately $7 million this quarter to non-Kronos customers. Given GroCo's current and expected performance, we are confident in the total of approximately $97 million in senior secured loans that we made to GroCo and the Moochies in 2019. And GroCo has already started repaying the loan. That only strengthens our already leading industry balance sheet of approximately $1 billion in cash and short-term investments. Turning to appointments within the organization, I'm excited to announce that Terry Doucet is was appointed general counsel after serving in an interim capacity since December of 21. Terry has been with Kronos since 2018 and has been a critical player in helping build the organization to where it is today. Terry has guided Kronos through significant growth over the last few years, including the build-out of our legal and regulatory affairs teams, our strategic investment from Altria, our Ginkgo collaboration, our investment in Pharmacan, and our many product commercialization initiatives. As we realign the organization to match our go-forward strategy, our primary focus will continue to be elevating our brands by utilizing borderless innovation that can be deployed in new markets. With that, I'd like to pass it over to Bob to take you through our financials.
spk03: Thanks, Mike, and good morning, everyone. The company reported consolidated net revenue in the first quarter of 2022 of $25 million. which is a 99% increase from the first quarter of 2021. Revenue growth year over year was primarily driven by an increase in net revenue in the rest of the world segment, driven by growth in the Israeli medical market and the Canadian adult use market. Consolidated gross profit for the first quarter of 22 was $6.9 million, representing a $9.9 million improvement from the first quarter of 2021. The gross margin was positive 28 percent, up from a negative minus 23 percent last year. The improvement versus prior year was primarily driven by increased gross profit in the rest of the world segment, which I'll get into in a little more detail shortly. Consolidated adjusted EBITDA for the first quarter of 2022 was a negative $18.9 million, representing a $17.7 million improvement from the first quarter of 2021. This improvement versus the prior year was driven primarily by improvement in gross profit and a decline in sales and marketing and research and development expenses in association with our strategic realignment plan. Turning to our reporting segments, in the rest of the world segment, we reported net revenue in the first quarter of 2022 of $22.7 million, a 123% increase from the first quarter of 2021. Revenue growth year over year was primarily driven by growth in Israel, which was up 263% year over year. largely attributable to the cannabis flower category and growth in Canada, which was up 79% year-over-year, led by our cannabis extracts category, which received a boost through the introduction of our Gummies platform, which did not exist in the prior year, as well as an introduction of a one-gram date, which provides a great value to the consumer. Gross profit for the rest of the world segment for the first quarter of 2022 was $6.7 million, representing a $10.8 million improvement from the first quarter of 2021. Gross margin was positive plus 30%, up from a negative minus 41% last year. The improvement versus the prior year was primarily driven by increased cannabis flower revenue the introduction of additional cannabis extract products that tend to carry a higher gross profit margin than other product categories, lower inventory valuation adjustments, and lower depreciation expense as a result of the lower fair value of our peach naturals campus, which is in connection with the impairment we took in Q4 related to our restructuring plan and lastly uh we experienced lower cannabis biomass costs as we begin to further leverage our joint venture arrangement with groco which as mike pointed out has been very successful thus far we're very happy with it adjusted ebitda and the rest of the world segment for the first quarter of 2022 was a negative 3.4 million That represents an $18.8 million improvement from the first quarter of last year. The improvement versus the prior year was primarily driven by an improvement in gross profit, as discussed, and a decline in sales and marketing and research and development expenses associated with our strategic realignment. Turning to the U.S. segment, we reported net revenue in the first quarter of 2022 of $2.3 million, which represents a 5% decrease from the first quarter of 2021. The decrease year over year was primarily driven by a reduction in volume as a result of a decrease in promotional spend as the company works through its review of the U.S. business as part of the strategic realignment. Gross profit for the U.S. segment for the first quarter of 2022 was $200,000, representing a $1 million decline. from the first quarter of 2021. The gross margin was a positive 9% down from a positive 48% last year. The decline year-over-year was primarily due to an increased inventory valuation adjustments, higher shipping costs, and unfavorable sales mix. Adjusted EBITDA in the U.S. segment for the first quarter of 2022 was negative 7.1 million, representing a $2.4 million improvement from the first quarter of 2021. The improvement versus the prior year was primarily driven by a decline in sales and marketing, research and development expenses, as we previously pointed out in association with our strategic realignment plan. Turning to the balance sheet, the company ended the quarter with approximately $1 billion in cash in short-term investments, which is down approximately $23 million from the fourth quarter of 2021. Capital expenditures for the quarter were $700,000, down 90% year-over-year, driven primarily by reduced spending on property, plant, and equipment across our facilities and the rest of the world segment. We remain committed to deploying capital in a very disciplined manner and only in ways that align with our strategic priorities and
spk07: and return requirements with that i'll turn it back to mike thanks bob i have full confidence in our people our strategy and our future and i'm excited to keep working with our talented teams to build our highly differentiated branded cannabinoid platform and drive long-term value to sum things up i am pleased with the results of this quarter our gummies are a clear consumer favorite hitting the top of the charts in Canada. We are executing in Israel and driving strong revenue growth, and we are making great strides in improving the margin profile of our business. I can't wait to see a future where people around the world get to enjoy our next-generation cannabinoid product. With that, I'll open the line for questions.
spk05: Thank you. To ask a question, you will need to press star and then one on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press the pound key. Please limit to one question and one follow-up question only. Our first question comes from the line of Michael Frieden with Raymond James. Your line is now open.
spk02: Hey there. Thanks so much for taking our questions. Welcome back, Mike. Thank you. Good to see you, Bob and Shane. Congratulations on this quarter. The evolution of the business is beginning to really show through, so congratulations on this. First question is on the transition from Peace Naturals Campus to GroCo. I'm glad to hear that the transition is going well and you are seeing a COGS benefit there. I wonder if you could describe the proportion of Kronos' biomass that's derived today from GroCo versus from wholesale or contract growers.
spk03: Yeah, so in this quarter, we actually purchased about $3 million of biomass from GroCo. That amount will continue to increase as demand warrants. You know, we're in the process of winding down our stainer transition, right? So we're finishing our last cultivation and harvest, and we'll finish production of that product. et cetera, as we're ramping up GroCo at the same time. And we believe, you know, one of our big gross margin opportunities going forward is really leveraging the GroCo relationship and the economics around cultivation of biomass, which is a big percentage of what we do, what we sell. But more to come on that, and we anticipate that being a bigger piece of our gross margin improvement going forward.
spk02: All right. Thank you, Bob. That's really helpful. And now a follow-up. Through our coverage of Ginkgo Bioworks, we see, of course, that you have CBG on the market. You've received CBGVA producing microbe from Ginkgo. Wondering if you could give us an update on your progress in the sort of rare cultured cannabinoid segment and how you expect this to fold into Khronos' borderless IP strategy and if there are some additional considerations for exporting these particular cannabinoids. Thank you.
spk07: Sure. Thanks. And so when we look at it right now, CBG is, is performing well and it's still early, but just for the single skew, uh, under, under sours or sorry, uh, fields, we have two and a half percent market share. Uh, we're seeing great traction with the CDG vapes. And so what we're seeing is that as we introduced rare cannabinoids into some of the delivery systems we already have on the market, They're performing well, and we see them as incremental, not cannibalistic. I'd say that we're also progressing really well as far as getting new cannabinoids into our platform, and I think you'll see new cannabinoids get introduced this year. So we're really excited not only to get CBG out into other product formats, but also new cannabinoid combinations in different formats. And as far as borderless products, And we see this as kind of there's two things that go into borderless products. There's the delivery systems, and that can be something like the gummy platform. We'll have a number of other really disruptive delivery systems that we're launching. And then there's the actual mixture of cannabinoids, and that's where the rare cannabinoids come in. So we see that really touching all parts of our borderless products, the exception being just dry flour. But we're really excited. We think that, you know, there won't be an issue with getting them into other federal legal markets as they open up. And so it's one of the most exciting things that we have to look forward to over the next year or two.
spk02: That's terrific. Thanks very much. We'll jump back in the queue.
spk05: Our next question is from John Zimparo from CIBC. Your line is now open.
spk10: Thank you, good morning, and welcome back, Mike. I wanted to start on Israel. It was a remarkable number in the quarter on the top line. I want to get a sense of what's the repeatability of this type of result, and I assume you don't want us using that as a baseline for future quarters, but just would like to get a sense of how volatile you expect results to be from Israel in the coming quarters.
spk07: Sure, thanks. It's a great question. You know, just as a reminder, when you think about our business in Israel versus some of our peers, this isn't, you know, lumpy B2B wholesale transactions. This is really driven by branded sales that we're making through pharmacies. So we actually see it as consistent. We've kind of been, we've been expecting to see growth for quite some time. And, you know, Israel is a great market. I think our brand is extremely well-received. We've got a good team that's pushing things forward. So we're very optimistic about the future in Israel, and we don't see things as lumpy. And we think that there's additional opportunities as the market continues to grow, both from the products we already have on market and being able to launch more products in the market. But we think there's a great opportunity, especially because of the fact that we aren't competing with an illicit market the same way that we compete with an illicit market in North America.
spk10: Okay, that's helpful. Thank you. And then as a follow-up on the CBG side, it does seem like you have really positive reception of these products both on gummies and vapes. I wonder if you have any data or any insight on how much of this is from novelty of these products, which does exist to some extent, versus repeat purchases. Is there anything you can share on that front?
spk07: I think you get a lot of great feedback on the actual experiences that you're getting or the consumers are getting from the CBG products. So we don't see it as simply a novelty or trial. I think when we get that type of feedback and we got that feedback from the consumer insight work we did early on, we really do expect this to be something, again, that's additive. and something that we see more growth in. And we think that there's more to come with some of the other cannabinoids as well. Got it.
spk10: Okay. Thanks very much. I'll pass it on.
spk05: Our next question is from the line of Andrew Carter from Stiefel. Your line is now open.
spk06: Hey, thanks. Good morning. First question I wanted to ask about the shipments in Canada. Looks like they were down 24% sequentially. Our headset data says their consumption was down 12%. So I guess could you unpack that a little bit in terms of – I know you – was there any discontinuation of COVID there? Was there pricing? And are there any inventory reductions at the province that's going on? Thanks.
spk01: No, the Canadian – oh, go ahead, Mike. Yeah.
spk07: Yeah, I'd say just to start off when you look at it, I think, you know, from – Q4 to Q1, there's certainly seasonality and we see that every year. You know, I think year over year you saw a lot of improvement, but certainly there's some of that you saw in the industry. I think one thing that we are, you know, happy about called a silver lining is we still did gain market share in the quarter. But, you know, we think there's a lot of additional levers we can pull to, you know, continue growing revenue and not just market share. So I'll kick it over to Bob for some of the other nuances.
spk03: Well, no, you know, the other encouraging thing is, you know, a lot of our new product innovations turned into kind of hero SKUs for us at the end of the day, particularly a lot of our Sowers line, but other new product innovations too. And, you know, with the margin increase in the quarter, you know, you know, it's just an evolution of what we think the opportunity is going forward also, right, not just in Canada, but for the rest of the world and the business in general. So, you know, Mike pointed out a little bit of the seasonality between Q4 and Q1 in Canada in particular. But what we've seen, particularly, as Mike pointed out, with market share gains or market extremely encouraging. And, you know, the fact that the business was up what it was in the quarter is encouraging, too. Couple that with the margin improvement, we feel like we're really moving this business in the right direction. In line with the strategy, it's been pretty consistent, right? So we're excited about it.
spk06: Yeah, I understand seasonality, and that's where I started with, with consumption was down 12%. I'm asking the shipments were down 24%. And what I'm saying is specifically I'm looking at extracts. They're up five. Your edibles were up 15% sequentially. Are you getting your fair share of shipments at the provincial level, or did there were any orders? And I'm guessing as well as Spinach is doing, it's probably short on inventory at the province, and you might be wanting to increase. Anything you can help me out on that side?
spk01: Yeah, no. I think sometimes you see – go ahead, Mike.
spk07: Yeah, Andrew, I think sometimes you do see lumpiness in how the provinces order. You know, we have great relationships with retailers, and I think the most important thing is making sure that the retailers are pulling through and selling. And when you see that, I think, you know, that sort of normalizes with how the provinces tend to order after. So, you know, I think we're seeing, especially towards the end of the quarter, things, you know, things picked up, and we think that progress should continue through going forward.
spk06: Last one from me today. You mentioned something about evaluating the U.S. CBD business, and I'm looking. I guess it's like $11 million of cost or so for the quarter. How does that work with Altria going forward? I mean, in terms of this environment right now, the quasi-federal legal, you're only doing that, do you all still see an opportunity to work together in this environment, or does this evaluation just consider, hey, we might not be able to create value here, just conserve resources for full THC? Thanks.
spk07: Yeah, I think having Altria is a very powerful tool and they're a great partner. And I think we think about it in a very aligned way. If we don't see the opportunity to create value, and I don't think either one of us would push it, what we want to do is make sure we have a product offering that we know consumers really want before we turn on the type of distribution that they have. And so we're evaluating all types of things, different products. I think, you know, when we looked at what we did with Canada to get back to growth, a lot of that had to do with focusing on a few kind of core hero SKUs, which strengthen things, and also looking at rare cannabinoids as a driver. And so, you know, those are going to be some of the levers we'll look to pull. We certainly are focused on some bottom line optimization, especially in this environment. So that will come into play. But, you know, we kind of have a similar view. At the end of the day, we want to make sure that anything we're doing for top line growth, it's ultimately margin accretive. Let's all pass it on.
spk05: Our next question is from the line of Matt Bottomley from Canaccord. Your line is now open.
spk09: Yeah, good morning. Welcome back, Mike, and thanks for taking the questions. Just wanted to get maybe more of a higher-level indication from you of where the international opportunities are going for Kronos. You know, Israel seems to be clipping along well. There's a couple other public companies that seem to be making headway as that country potentially goes towards full adult utilization. So I'm just wondering if you can touch on other market opportunities that might come into the fray here in the next 12 months, as well as your prospects for adult use in Israel. Sure.
spk07: Sure. So, you know, one of the things that we've learned is making sure that we're focused and we're entering the right markets is really, really important. So we do still have a presence in Germany. And when we look at opportunities that are going to open up, I don't want to say it's necessarily an opportunity to enter adult use in the next 12 months, but we do know that there's legislation starting to move. And so we want to make sure that anywhere we go into You know, for the amount of costs and time it takes, it's something that's, you know, really exciting and we can ultimately start getting the results that we're getting in Israel. So, you know, I'd put Germany towards the top of the list, but we're not really looking for some of the smaller, you know, medical opportunities that we don't see translating into adult use formats. We do think a lot of the medical markets are sort of, you know, beginning of a transition to adult use when you start to get upside. So I would highlight Germany. We certainly monitor a number of other markets and have optimism, but there's a lot of things moving in the world, especially in Europe right now, that can tend to derail some of that progress, and so we'll be cautious. As far as Israel, what's interesting is everyone does ask about adult use, and we do think that that will happen at some point, but we don't need adult use to continue to see, you know, sustainable, really durable growth there. So, you know, I think there's a lot of runway in the medical market over the next year, two years. We know that there's been a lot of discussion and a lot of, you know, a lot of excitement for adult use, both from consumers and from regulators. So I wouldn't expect it in 22. I do think it's on the horizon, but I don't think that should slow down our growth there.
spk09: Okay, understood. And then just maybe a follow-up, just in terms of the company's philosophy on capital investment or strategic investment into various markets. Obviously, you guys are sitting on a good chunk of change. And when you look at the potential for THC exposure, For Kronos in the U.S., that could be a year away. It could be, who knows, three, four years away. How do you decide between, you know, sitting on the cash reserves that you have for potentially, you know, the home run of USTHC versus, you know, maybe getting inroads in some of these other less, you know, headline-y type of markets, but ones that are starting to open up outside of North America?
spk07: Yeah, I think that's a great question. You know, overall, I think you have to look at where things will go long-term. And whether it's the US, whether it's a market in EU, I do think it's going to be branded products that are going to matter. So it really depends on how the market evolves and how we'll invest. Ultimately, the most important thing we can do is have the best branded product portfolio. And so that's when we think about borderless investments, making those investments now and getting the product offering right. We're able to move into a market and get those products to consumers. we will win in markets when we go in. Now that might take additional investment around either manufacturing or distribution, depending on how the market and the regulations set up. And that's a lot of what the capital will be used for. But you know, you're right, there will be evaluation of whether or not it makes sense to deploy in the US or other markets. I do think we have optionality from our balance sheet that it's not necessarily either or, it's just looking what is the ROI on the investment. But when we look at the U.S. from a philosophy perspective, we aren't going to be looking to buy licenses or, you know, just say how many licenses are in X state, what's the math. It's making sure we just have the opportunity to get our products and our brands out to consumers. And also, if we see brands that are performing well that are additive to our portfolio, that's something that we'll look to invest in or acquire. But I think it's a little bit of a different strategy than what you see most of the headline U.S. investments to be. And I think over the coming quarters, you'll see as supply starts to catch up with demand and a lot of the limited license estates, that it will also become a branded game.
spk09: All right. Thanks for all that.
spk05: Thank you. And as a reminder, if you would like to ask a question, press star and the number one on your telephone keypad. Our next question is from Gaurav Jain from Barclays. Your line is now open.
spk04: Hi, thanks a lot. And apologies if this question has already been asked, but your EBITDA loss this quarter is probably the lowest that it has been in a long time, if ever. So is this a new run rate, which we should assume if Israeli revenues are going to continue on a steady basis, you know, which was mentioned earlier? So that's my question number one.
spk01: I'm sorry, Garth. You kind of came in and out a little bit. Can you repeat your question, please?
spk04: Sure. Apologies for that. I'm asking that this 18 million EBITDA loss that you have reported for Q1, is that a good run rate for the next three quarters?
spk07: We're not going to give guidance on what the EBITDA run rate should be going forward. We're We're just generally not giving guidance right now. I will say that we have a lot of cost savings programs that we've put in that haven't fully hit yet, and we expect to start coming in the back half of the year. And it's something that we are very focused on, not only for what we've announced, but also additional cost saving initiatives. So, you know, with that being a focus, you know, you can expect us to put a lot of work in trending to continue to improve EBITDA.
spk04: Sure, thank you. And my second question is just on the stock price and where it is, and the EV of the company is almost equal to the cash balance on the balance sheet. So is there a way for you to deploy the cash flow against share repurchases, or that's not something you will consider?
spk07: Look, I think my focus right now is on doing what we can to improve the performance the business fundamentals, make sure that we're set up for growth in the future. You know, I think if we do that, we tend to have the stock price follow, but focus today is really on the business and in-market performance. And hopefully all the analysts in the call can help communicate what the stock market should do to follow it. Thanks a lot.
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