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spk00: Thank you for joining today's Capital Southwest third quarter fiscal year 2024 earnings call. Participating on the call today are Bowen Deal, CEO, Michael Sarner, CFO, and Chris Reberger, VP Finance. I will now turn the call over to Chris Reberger.
spk13: Thank you. I'd like to remind everyone that in the course of this call, we will be making certain forward-looking statements. These statements are based on current conditions, currently available information, and management's expectations, assumptions, and beliefs. They are not guarantees of future results and are subject to numerous risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements. For information concerning these risks and uncertainties, see Capital Southwest's publicly available filings with the SEC. The company does not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements whether as a result of new information, future events, changing circumstances, or any other reason after the date of this press release, except as required by law. I will now hand the call off to our President and Chief Executive Officer, Bowen Neal.
spk05: Thanks, Chris. And thank you to everyone for joining us for our third quarter fiscal year 2024 earnings call. We are pleased to be with you this morning and look forward to giving you an update on the performance of our company and our portfolio as we continue to diligently execute our investment strategy as stewards of your capital. Throughout our prepared remarks, we will refer to various slides in our earnings presentation, which can be found in the investor relations section of our website at www.capitalsouthwest.com. You will also find our quarterly earnings press release issued last evening on our website. We'll begin on slide six of the earnings presentation, where we have summarized some of the key performance highlights for the quarter. During the quarter, we generated pre-tax net investment income of 72 cents per share, which represented 20 percent growth over the 60 cents per share generated a year ago in the December quarter. The 72 cents per share more than covered both our regular dividend of 57 cents per share and our supplemental dividend of 6 cents per share paid during the quarter. Portfolio earnings continue to be strong as of the end of the quarter. As of the end of the quarter, we estimate that our undistributable taxable income was $0.52 per share. Additionally, net asset value per share increased 1.9% for the quarter to $16.77 per share from the $16.46 per share as of the end of the prior quarter. This increase represented the fourth consecutive quarterly NAD per share increase for Capital Southwest. We are also pleased to announce today that our Board of Directors has declared a regular dividend of $0.57 per share for the March 24 quarter. This represents 7.5% growth over the $0.53 per share paid a year ago in the March quarter. In addition, due to the excess earnings being generated by our floating debt investment portfolio in this high interest rate environment, Our board has again declared a supplemental dividend of 6 cents per share for the March 24 quarter, bringing total dividends declared for the March 24 quarter to 63 cents per share, which in total represents 9% growth over total dividends paid out in the year-ago quarter. While future dividend declarations are at the discretion of our board of directors, it is our intent and expectation that Capital Southwest will continue to distribute quarterly supplemental dividends for the foreseeable future, while base rates are above historical averages, and we have meaningful UTI, which is generated by earnings in excess of our dividends and realized gains from our equity co-investment portfolio. During the quarter, deal quality and activity in the lower middle market continued at a healthy pace, and we continued to be able to source attractive investment opportunities. Private equity firms and business owners continued to transact while non-bank lenders like Capital Southwest continue to provide more certainty to closing than traditional bank financing structures. That said, competition from other non-bank lenders for quality lower middle market opportunities has largely returned to the more normal level seen 12 to 18 months ago, resulting in tighter pricing spreads as well as slightly higher leverage and loan-to-value in the closing capital structure. In the larger end of the lower middle market, which is typically where we exit our investments, M&A activity picked up during the quarter as well, resulting in increased prepayments across our portfolio. Portfolio growth during the quarter was driven by 116.3 million in new commitments, consisting of 70.7 million in commitments to four new portfolio companies and 45.6 million in commitments to 12 existing portfolio companies. This was offset by $79 million in proceeds from five debt prepayments and one equity exit during the quarter, generating a weighted average IRR of 12.2%. On the capitalization front, we are pleased to announce that during the quarter, we successfully upsized our corporate revolving credit facility to $460 million from $435 million with the addition of one new lender to the bank syndicate. We also raised $66.5 million in gross equity proceeds during the quarter through our equity ATM program at a weighted average price of $21.92 per share, or 133% of the prevailing NAB per share. In addition, subsequent to quarter end, the I-45 credit facility was repaid in full, and we are currently in the process of winding down the I-45 Senior Loan Fund. As most of you know, I-45 was initially created to invest in small pieces of large syndicated loans. Though I-45 has been a success through the years, the market for syndicated loans has evolved, and we no longer view this market as a favorable place to generate attractive risk-adjusted returns for our shareholders. Michael will discuss the timing and mechanics of the dissolution of I-45 in further detail in a moment. We have remained diligent in ensuring we have strong balance sheet liquidity while also funding a meaningful portion of our investment activity with accretive equity issuances. We continue to maintain a conservative mindset to both balance sheet liquidity and BDC leverage, managing the company with a full economic cycle mentality. While this starts with our underwriting of new investment opportunities, it also applies to how we manage the BDC's capitalization and liquidity. Managing leverage to the lower end of our target range while ensuring strong balance sheet liquidity affords us the ability to invest in new platform companies, even in periods of volatile capital markets when risk-adjusted returns can be particularly attractive. Additionally, it allows us to support our portfolio companies while also opportunistically repurchasing our stock if it were to trade meaningfully below NAV. On slide seven and eight, we illustrate our continued track record of producing strong dividend growth, consistent dividend coverage, and solid value creation since the launch of our credit strategy back in January 2015. Since that time, we have increased our quarterly regular dividend 28 times and have never cut the regular dividend, all while maintaining strong coverage of our regular dividend with pre-tax net investment income. Additionally, over the same period, we have paid or declared 23 special or supplemental dividends totaling $3.89 per share, including the $0.06 per share the Board has declared for the March 24 quarter, all generated from excess earnings and realized gains from our investment portfolio. We believe our track record of thoughtfully growing our dividend, a consistently solid performance in our portfolio, as well as our company's sustained access to multiple capital sources, has demonstrated the strength of our investment and capitalization management strategies, as well as the absolute alignment of all our decisions with the interests of our shareholders. Starting with slide nine, we lay out the core tenets of our investment strategy. Our core strategy is lending and investing in the low-orbital market, the vast majority of which is in first lien senior secured loans to companies backed by private equity firms In fact, approximately 92% of our credit portfolio is backed by private equity firms, which provide important guidance and leadership to the portfolio companies, as well as the potential for new junior capital support if needed. In the lower middle market, we often have the opportunity to invest on a minority basis in the equity carry pursued with the private equity firm when we believe the equity thesis is compelling. As of the end of the quarter, Our equity co-investment portfolio consisted of 62 investments with a total fair value of $129.1 million, which was marked at 143% of cost, representing $38.5 million in embedded unrealized appreciation, or $0.90 per share. Our equity portfolio, which represented approximately 9% of our total portfolio at fair value as of the end of the quarter, continues to provide our shareholders participation in the attractive upside potential of these growing lower middle market businesses, which will come in the form of NAV per share growth and supplemental dividends over time. As illustrated on slide 10, our on-balance sheet credit portfolio ended the quarter at $1.2 billion, representing year-over-year growth of 19% from $990 million as of the December 2022 quarter. For the current quarter, 100% of our new portfolio company debt originations were first lien senior secured, and as of the end of the quarter, 97% of our credit portfolio was first lien senior secured. The weighted average credit exposure per company remains granular at 1.2%. We believe our portfolio granularity speaks to our continued investment discipline of maintaining a conservative posture to overall risk management as we grow our balance sheet. We fully expect that this metric will continue to improve as our asset base grows. On slide 11, we detail the $116.3 million of capital invested in and committed to portfolio companies during the quarter. Capital committed this quarter included $66.7 million in first lien senior secured debt committed to four new portfolio companies, in which we also invested a total of $4 million in equity. We also committed a total of $43.5 million in first lien senior secured debt and $2.1 million in equity to 12 existing portfolio companies. We are pleased with the strong market position that our team has established in the lower middle market as a premier debt and equity capital provider, as evidenced by the broad array of relationships across the country from which our team is sourcing quality opportunities, as well as the consistency of our origination activity In fact, deal activity post-quarter end has continued at a healthy pace, and we expect solid net portfolio growth in the coming quarter. Starting with slide 12, as I mentioned earlier, increased M&A and refinancing activity during the quarter resulted in greater than average prepayment activity. We continued our track record of strong returns on our exits with five debt prepayments and one equity exit during the quarter. In total, these exits generated approximately $79 million in total proceeds, generating a weighted average IRR of 12.2%. Since the launch of our credit strategy nine years ago, we have realized 73 portfolio company exits, representing $885 million in proceeds that have generated a cumulative weighted average IRR of 13.9%. On slide 13, we detail some key steps for our unbalanced sheet portfolio as of the end of the quarter, excluding our I-45 joint venture. As of the end of the quarter, the total portfolio at fair value was weighted 87.5% to first-lane senior secured debt, 2.6% to second-lane senior secured debt, 0.1% to subordinated debt, and 9.8% to equity co-investments. The credit portfolio had a weighted average yield of 13.5%, and weighted average leverage through our security of 3.6 times. Cash flow coverage of debt obligations across our portfolio continued to be strong, despite the high base rate environment, with weighted average interest coverage of three times and weighted average fixed charge coverage of 2.5 times. As seen on slide 14, our total investment portfolio continues to be well diversified across industries with an asset mix which provides strong security for our shareholders' capital. Turning to slide 15, we have laid out the rating migration within our portfolio during the quarter. As a reminder, all loans upon origination are initially assigned an investment rating of two on a four-point scale, with one being the highest rating and four being the lowest rating. We feel very good about the performance of our portfolio with 95% of the portfolio at fair value rated in one of the top two categories, a one or a two. In fact, the portfolio generated weighted average revenue growth of 3% and weighted average EBITDA growth of 7% during the quarter. I will now hand the call over to Michael to review more specifics of our financial performance for the quarter.
spk12: Thanks, Bowen. Specific to our performance for the quarter, As summarized on slide 17, we increased pre-tax net investment income by 13% quarter over quarter to $29.8 million, or 72 cents per share, compared to $26.4 million, or 67 cents per share, in the prior quarter. During the quarter, we paid out a 57 cent per share regular dividend and a 6 cent per share supplemental dividend. As mentioned earlier, Our Board has declared a regular dividend of $0.57 per share and declared a $0.06 per share supplemental dividend for the March quarter. Maintaining a consistent track record of meaningfully covering our dividend with pre-tax net investment income is important to our investment strategy. We continue our strong track record of regular dividend coverage with 123% coverage for the last 12 months ended December 31, 2023. and 110% cumulative coverage since the launch of our credit strategy in January 2015. As a reminder, our intent is to continue to distribute the portion of the excess of our quarterly pre-tax NII over our regular dividend to our shareholders in a quarterly supplemental dividend. We are confident in our ability to continue to distribute quarterly supplemental dividends for the foreseeable future based upon our current UTI balance of 52 cents per share our ability to grow UTI each quarter organically by over-earning our total dividend, and the expectation that we will harvest gains over time from our existing 90 cents per share in unrealized appreciation on the equity portfolio. For the quarter, we increased total investment income to $48.6 million, representing 14% growth quarter over quarter and 48% growth from a year ago. Weighted average yields in the portfolio on all investments was 13.7%. Total investment income was $5.8 million higher this quarter, primarily driven by an increase in the weighted average cost basis of our debt investments, as well as an increase in dividend and fee income. As at the end of the quarter, we had three portfolio companies with loans on non-accrual, representing 2.2% of our investment portfolio at fair value. As seen on slide 18, we maintain LTM operating leverage at 1.8% for the current quarter. To put this metric in perspective, our 1.8% operating leverage is the second best in the entire BDC industry. We believe this metric speaks to the benefits of the internally managed BDC model and our absolute alignment with shareholders. The internally managed model has and will continue to produce real fixed cost leverage while also allowing for significant resources to invest in people and infrastructure to continue to build a best-in-class BDC. As we look forward, we expect further improvements in operating leverage as we continue to grow the balance sheet over time. Turning to slide 19, the company's NAV per share at the end of the quarter increased by $0.31 per share to $16.77, representing an increase of 1.9% compared to the prior quarter. The primary drivers of the NAD per share increase for the quarter were earnings in excess of our total dividends paid for the quarter and accretion from the issuance of common stock at a premium to NAD per share, partially offset by net unrealized depreciation on our investment portfolio. Turning to slide 20, we are pleased to report that we have significant balance sheet liquidity with approximately $333 million in cash and undrawn leverage commitments on both our revolving credit facility and SBA debentures as of the end of the quarter. We recently completed an increase to our revolving credit facility, adding one new lender and bringing total revolver credit facility commitments to 460 million from 435 million in the prior quarter. Based on our current borrowing base, we have access to the full 460 million revolver capacity. The facility has an accordion feature allowing for the further increase of total commitments up to an aggregate of 750 million allowing us to continue to grow our revolver capacity in lockstep with the growth of our overall balance sheet. In addition, during the quarter, we received an additional leverage commitment in the amount of $45 million from the SBA from which we can draw upon in the future. As of the end of the December quarter, 53% of our capital structure liabilities were in unsecured covenant-free bonds with our earliest debt maturity in January 2026. Finally, as Bowen mentioned earlier, Subsequent to quarter end, the I-45 credit facility was repaid in full at the option of the joint venture partners. We are currently in the process of winding down the I-45 fund by allocating the residual assets in the fund to the joint venture partners. Assets from the fund will be allocated from the financing subsidiary to the balance sheet of each joint venture partner consistent with their invested capital. The impact to Capital Southwest will be a small increase in assets slightly higher leverage due to the pay down of the I-45 credit facility and a modest increase in earnings as we eliminate frictional costs related to the fund. Our regulatory leverage, as seen on slide 21, ended the quarter at a debt to equity ratio of 0.77 to one, down meaningfully from 0.91 to one as of the year ago, December quarter. We opportunistically brought leverage slightly below our target range as of the end of the December quarter in part to accommodate the I-45 credit facility payoff and I-45 fund wind down. We will continue to methodically and opportunistically raise secured and unsecured debt capital, as well as equity capital through our ATM program to ensure we continue to maintain significant liquidity, conservative leverage, and adequate covenant cushions throughout all economic cycles. I will now hand the call back to Bowen for some final comments.
spk05: Thanks, Michael. And again, thank you everyone for joining us today. We appreciate the opportunity to provide you an update on our business, our portfolio, and the market environment. Our company and portfolio continue to demonstrate strong performance and we continue to be impressed by the job our team has done in building a robust asset base, deal origination, and portfolio manager capability, as well as a flexible capital structure. We believe we have prepared our company well for future growth and performance. and we feel very good about how our shareholders' capital is positioned in the market. In summary, we have a credit portfolio predominantly made up of first lien senior secured debt allocated across a broad array of companies and industries, over 90% of which is backed by private equity firms, while also enjoying participation in the equity upside of many of these growing lower middle market businesses. Further, we have a well-capitalized balance sheet with multiple capital sources, very strong liquidity, and a flexible capital structure. This concludes our prepared remarks, operator. We are ready to open the lines up for Q&A.
spk09: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, to ask the question, please press star 11 on your telephone and then wait to hear your name announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. Our first question comes from the line of Mickey Chalene with Lattenberg-Thalman. Your line is open.
spk14: Yes, good morning, everyone. Bowen, there was this theory that M&A volumes really wouldn't pick up until there was certainty that the Fed would cut rates. And I'm in the camp that we don't know and inflation is still not at their target. And obviously, rates have not come down yet. So from your perspective, what's driving this increase, which you mentioned has spilled over into the first quarter?
spk05: Yeah, it's interesting. I mean, if you look at our five exits, three of them were sales and two of them are refinancings. You know, on the sales, I mean, these are private equity-backed firms. You know, there's strategic interest in the assets. I think they were all strategic sales looking at them. You know, so they were just, it was just, It's private equity firms trying to print gains in companies that are performing. There is strategic interest in the assets. I don't know. We have the same press clippings you do. Those trends are probably true as you laid out, but it's a little random. Our portfolio just had a number of sales in it. I attribute part of that to General's increase in M&A activity that we've seen out there. We also see, you know, our deal flow as well being really strong.
spk12: And we've also seen the top half of our portfolio, the long-grade ones. These companies, we have a significant number of companies that have deleveraged, you know, underneath two times, even to the extent that are, you know, half-turned to a turn and a half. And so those guys, you know, will find potentially a lower yielding option than where maybe they were when we originated them.
spk05: Yeah, that's more of a company performance aspect. That's true for sure. But the M&A activity, just looking at these names, I mean, there just has been interest in those assets. And those private equity firms obviously don't get paid until they sell and monetize, pay their carry. So they hit the bid.
spk14: I understand. That's helpful. I noticed there were two credit downgrades during the quarter. Can you describe, you know, general trends in credit quality in the portfolio and in particular what these two were about?
spk05: Yeah, I mean, if you kind of take a step back and look at trends in our portfolio, if you look at revenue and EBITDA growth, you look at the number of upgrades versus downgrades, you know, I'd say credit performance in our portfolio as a whole is excellent. The two downgrades, one was a already a non-cruel challenge. We basically had a term loan B and downgraded, we downgraded the term loan A. And the other one was a company that's kind of bumping along and we decided to go ahead and downgrade it. So it's a new downgrade, not an existing. But again, if you look at 60 something million of upgrades and 30 million downgrades, I'd say it's a general trends perspective. It looks okay.
spk14: Fair enough. And my last question, more housekeeping. Can you help me understand the net realized loss? Because on page 12 of the investor presentation, there's a realized gain, but there's a much more meaningful net realized loss on the income statement. Can you just reconcile that?
spk12: Yeah, one of our portfolio companies had a restructuring in which a portion of their debt was converted to equity. And so from an accounting perspective, you'll see that show up as a realized loss for the quarter. And you'll see when the 10-Q comes out, you'll see a full reconciliation for the quarter of kind of what happened to each of the companies.
spk05: And that was one of our non-accruals that's been a non-accrual. And I think we voiced on a prior earnings call that we expected to have that restructure in the calendar year in effect.
spk14: I got it. And Michael, the queue's coming out tonight? Yes, that's correct. Okay. Those are all my questions. I appreciate your time, as always. Thank you. Thanks, Vicki.
spk09: Thanks, Vicki. Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Robert Dodd with Raymond James. Your line is open.
spk03: You might be on mute, Robert. Yes.
spk06: I apologize. I was on mute. Yeah, that's my bad. So, sorry, on the leverage, right, you see you're below the bottom end of your target range. Obviously, some of that's planning for I-45. I mean, could you give us any – do you still feel more comfortable at the bottom or below the bottom of the target range for leverage? Or can you give us an update on where you think if the economy is maybe doing better than you thought? Your credit quality is certainly hanging in very well. So, I mean, can you give us some thoughts on where you see that in the medium term, conceptually I-35 adjusted? Sure.
spk12: Sure, of course. So, yeah, I-45 adjusted. I think we were more at 0.83 times. I think for a go-forward basis, I would give you the range of 0.8 to really 0.95. That's essentially where we'd like to stay in. And, you know, at the moment, like you said, we see, you know, kind of clear skies ahead. At the moment, portfolio is performing well. You can see us tick up closer to the higher end in the next several quarters. But, you know, honestly, if you look at our earnings, you know, relative to our NAV, we are one of the more productive companies in the BDC space. We're able to produce $0.72 on 0.77 leverage, so we don't really need to press the gas pedal. So you probably see us somewhere along in the middle of that range.
spk06: Got it. Got it. Thank you. Then on I-45, I mean – It's got $27 million, I think, in unrealized depreciation in it currently. When the assets are onboarded, are they going to be onboarded at the existing cost and fair value basis, i.e., the unrealized depreciation, I'll say, or is any of that going to be crystallized during the onboarding process?
spk12: Sure. So the assets that are being assigned to each of our balance sheets will come over at cost and fair value. the amount of losses or gains that have been incurred in portfolio companies that have already exited, that'll just get reclassified from unrealized equity to retained earnings.
spk06: Got it, thank you. And then, sorry, go ahead.
spk15: No, go ahead, I apologize.
spk06: Yeah, that last one's kind of housekeeping. The dividend income was quite large. It looks like there was maybe a $2 million non-recurring maybe to do with one of the, uh, the, uh, the portfolio company sales or anything like, can you give us any, any, I mean, was it a one-time kind of 2 million or, um, has something changed in, in one of the performance, you know, the, the highly performing portfolio companies where it's going to start paying your consistent dividend or was that one off?
spk12: No. So, yeah, so this quarter we had one portfolio company, uh, it was probably one of our most successful portfolio companies. that had essentially levered less than one time, had a dividend recap. We have an equity position with a significant appreciation on the company. And so we participated in that dividend to the tune of $2.3 million, and that's a one-time occurrence.
spk06: Got it. Thank you.
spk09: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Joseph with Jefferies. Your line is open.
spk07: Hey, good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Most have been answered, but just I know the queue's coming out, but just do you mind running through any inflows or outflows to non-accrual? I know you mentioned there was a restructuring there, and on a fair value basis, I think it ticked up 20 basis points or whatever, but just help us out in terms of the inflows and outflows.
spk12: So for the non-accruals, we had one portfolio company that came off, and I think we noted it earlier, the portfolio company that was restructured that had the realized loss, that portion came off. And then we had a term loan A of another portfolio company where the B is already on non-accrual. I think Owen mentioned it earlier. It went on non-accrual. So I think it was $15 million at a cost basis coming off and $12 million coming on.
spk11: So a slight reduction on the cost basis, and then the fair value was slightly higher.
spk07: Got it. And then, you know, as you're thinking about the dividend going forward, obviously the forward curve has adjusted pretty dramatically since the last time we spoke. And I know you guys, you know, have strong coverage, especially over the run rate dividend. But how are you thinking about the dividend from here? Yeah.
spk12: So obviously we bifurcated between the regular dividend and the supplemental dividend. So on the regular dividend, you know, obviously we had 72 cents this quarter, which we would tell you the run rate, you know, absent that dividend, cash dividend was really like 69 cents. So we compare that 69 cents to the 57 we paid. So it's still significant coverage there. You noted we're still kind of in a wait and see approach to see what the Fed does, to see the pace of rate reductions. We feel comfortable that if the rates come down to a neutral spot in the next 18 to 24 months, we would expect that our NII would trough in the low 60s, so there's still plenty of room for growth on the regular dividend. But having said that, we will wait to just see how things play out. On the supplemental dividend, we continue to bank UTI by over-earning our dividend. We have 90 cents of unrealized depreciation on the balance sheet that we would hope to exit a portion, either somewhere between 24 or beyond. And so that, coupled with the 52 cents of UTI we have currently, we feel very comfortable that this program will continue into the future. You know, it's six cents today.
spk11: That may vacillate, you know, up or down, but we feel comfortable about that program going forward.
spk07: Got it. Helpful. And then last one for me, you know, we talked about credit. We talked about the ratings, but just in terms of, you know, classify with revenue or EBITDA growth and any sort of changes since we last spoke.
spk05: Yeah, I mean, as I noted in our remarks, we had, you know, across the portfolio, we had revenue growth quarter over quarter of 3% and EBITDA growth quarter over quarter of 7%. So, you know, the portfolio was, you know, feel pretty good about
spk11: of the portfolio's general performance, for sure.
spk07: Got it. That's it for me. Thanks for answering my questions.
spk08: Thank you.
spk09: Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Bryce Rowe with BRally. Your line is open.
spk10: Thanks. Good morning. Maybe Bowen wanted to start on some of the exit activity. You've got, I guess, a couple of equity investment stubs that remain after those exits. What's the plan there? Is the plan to stay in those equity investments or are those potential exit opportunities here over the near term?
spk05: Yeah, thanks for the question. I mean, you know, as a general matter, obviously there are companies, the vast majority of them are owned by private equity firms. And so they obviously sell the company, then we'll be, well, we don't have an equity stub. So the equity stubs are ones that we've been refinanced out of. And so just, it's pretty much the rule that we will ride, we will ride the liquidity curve, if you will, with the private equity firm. So You know, private equity firms, as we all know, don't really get paid their carry until they exit. And so they're, you know, they're looking to maximize value and then looking to exit when it's prudent to exit. And we kind of ride that train with them. So long-winded answer to yes. I mean, those are, you know, equity stubs are potential future exits. And usually if a company has been refinanced, it's probably growing and doing really well and And so, you know, just because it's marked at X today, I would say a private equity firm owning it for another year or two probably is the exits, you know, could be lower than X, but it's pretty highly likely to be higher than X. But we ride that curve or ride that train with the private equity firm and exit when they exit. Got it.
spk10: Okay. That's helpful. And then maybe a couple more for me in terms of the the assets that come on your balance sheet from I-45 obviously have a different profile than what you might like to put in your portfolio today. Do you look for an opportunity to exit those to create some liquidity, or will you in fact ride those out as well?
spk05: I would say they're over in I-45, but they're still assets that generate returns and So that won't change. Um, you know, certainly there are bigger companies for the most part syndicated credits for the most part. On one hand, we don't need the liquidity, but on the other hand, you know, yeah, we would look, we'll look for opportunities to exit those names, um, at, you know, at attractive values. And over time, those names will get refinanced out. Of course, those companies grow and sell, but, um,
spk12: And the spread to LIBOR on these assets is 6.5%, which is maybe on the slightly lower end of our yield, but it's certainly on the fairway.
spk10: Okay, that's helpful. And maybe one more for you, Michael. You kind of laid out the potential, I guess, regulatory debt-to-equity range with the I-45 assets coming on balance sheet. You know, Can you kind of give us a feel for what the economic leverage range might look at? And I'm kind of thinking about the ability to now draw 45 million more of SBA debentures and kind of how that works into the equation. Thanks.
spk12: Yeah, I mean, kind of what I said earlier, and I would say it's not, I don't know that I have anything to add to it, is that we'll probably be in the mid-point eighths. We'll finish up this the $45 million on the SBA probably by, you know, this summer. And so I think our leverage, economic leverage will be around one times with, you know, the regulatory something in the 0.85 range. And it'll vacillate. Look, there's opportunities to raise capital that's premium to book today. And, you know, so you'll be at certain points in time to de-lever a bit when the opportunities are there and then, you know, pull back the range at other times.
spk05: You know, I was just saying, you know, one of the things you just asked, I mean, we have a lot of liquidity on the balance sheet, so the ability to fund into the SBIC, subsidiary, and borrow on that leverage commitment, you know, that's not hard to do.
spk12: Yeah, you know, one other point I'd probably make just a longer term is, like, we have an eye to the future. We're looking at our 2026. We have two bonds that will be repaid. You know, there's clip maturities. That's obviously two years away, but we're starting that planning today, so The collateral that comes back from I-45 comes on balance sheet. And, you know, we're going to look for opportunities to increase our secured financing. So to give us the ability that, you know, if and when we want to pay down those bonds, if we don't like what's going on in the capital markets in terms of, you know, unsecured market, you could always fund it with a secured facility. So the I-45 consolidations gives us, you know, additional collateral to work with to really continue to diversify our capital sources. Got it.
spk10: Okay, appreciate you guys taking the time.
spk09: Thank you.
spk08: Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Eric Zewick with Hubdy Group.
spk09: Your line is open.
spk04: Good morning. I may have missed this in the earlier comments, but just in terms of the winding down of I-45, did you provide a timeframe? Will that be done at the end of this current quarter, or will it take a little bit longer? I'm not sure if I caught that earlier.
spk12: You know, our expectation is that it would be done at the end of the quarter, but having said that, with some of these credits, you know, when we essentially do the allocation and we put in for assignment, some of the agents work faster than others, and so To the extent that we are not able to get every asset assigned, it could live on on a very small basis for another quarter. But we are working in earnest at the moment to try to get that all accomplished.
spk04: That's helpful. Thanks. And then I just noticed that the PIC income increased to just above $4 million or so in the quarter, higher run rate than we've seen. recently. Is there something, I wonder if you could just talk about kind of what drove that higher and if it was anything kind of one-time or should we expect something along that run rate going forward?
spk05: Yeah, so I mean, it's a little bit higher this quarter, but just to put it in perspective, I mean, two of the companies in the portfolio, you know, optioned up to pick, they have pick toggles. We don't have a lot of pick toggles in our portfolio, but we've got a small handful. And so a couple of them picked, one of them was, Company affected by the rider's strike, that's obviously behind us. And so the company's obviously turning around. It was actually a one before the rider's strike. So it's a very healthy company. It did pick Toggle. The other one is a company that is very effective in election years. And so it's going to have a big, you should have a very big year this year. So they picked a quarter. So if you took those two, those are pick income companies. But if you were to look at, okay, what's the trend? If you were to look at the rest of the PIC income, it's about 5% of our income. And so the cash portion is 95%. If you look back over the last several quarters, it's kind of what we've been living, 95, 96% cash. And so, you know, just to help put that in perspective is kind of how we're trending.
spk12: And also the cash, the PIC pay toggles. are generally only for a few quarters. Those are not indefinite for the loan. So those will either roll off because they've reached the end or they will be choosing cash along the way.
spk04: Got it. And then one, just last one for you. You seem fairly optimistic about the opportunity to make new commitments and fund new loans, at least for the next quarter. So wondering if you, as you look at the pipeline, if you could just provide a little commentary. Are there any commonalities in terms of kind of the industries where you're seeing strength today, or is it more broad-based at this point?
spk05: It's pretty broad-based. It's an interesting question. It's pretty broad-based. The activity is pretty robust right now, which is a good thing. You know, the vast majority, as we talked about, the vast majority of our business is family-owned, entrepreneur-owned businesses that are selling to private equity firms that are buying controlling interest in the business and heavy rollovers from the founders. But it's pretty broad. The other thing is we've got a decent amount of add-ons going on in the portfolio too, which is kind of a steady drumbeat over the last several quarters and should be continuing in the future. I mean, just add-ons are probably a third of our originations on kind of a regular basis. And so the activity since quarter end is definitely on the new platforms, but it's also on the add-ons as well.
spk12: And that's been a trend. We've seen that over the last probably four quarters. And I think with the portfolio the size it is today, we'd expect that to continue.
spk05: Yeah, it's an aspect of the business model. I mean, these private equity firms buy a controlling interest in the founder or family-owned business. And, you know, the family or founder rolls over a big chunk of their equity to the business, as we talked about. And then one of the things that the founders and families like is the ability to then have the private equity firm buy three or four of their competitors. And it's one of the reasons they want to roll over and keep that equity in the business because of the accretion and opportunity that entails. And so because that's generally a nature of our deal flow, we should expect to continue to always kind of see a meaningful amount of add-ons. And that's great because it's additional credit commitment in businesses that we know. It's not new platforms that we have to learn about, but it's businesses we know we've seen performance And so it's a very attractive portion of deal flow in general.
spk11: And these are generally not delayed draw term loans, i.e., we are doing diligence on these add-ons and making a new investment decision. Yeah. That's right.
spk04: Yeah. Great. It makes a lot of sense. Thanks for taking my questions today. Thank you.
spk09: Thank you. Please stand by for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Belus Abraham with UBS. Your line is open.
spk01: Hey, everybody. Just one for me. You guys mentioned your prepared remarks competition coming back to where it was about 12 to 18 months ago. Can you just give a little bit more color on the nature of that competition and how you think that translates into a spreadsheet over the next few quarters?
spk05: Yeah, I mean, the competition has definitely strengthened the market. It's just a reflection of just overall health in the financial markets. You know, it is mainly from non-bank lenders. But it's kind of, like I said, it's kind of back to where it was 18 months ago, which is, you know, competition we've been dealing with for eight years. So it's not really necessarily new players. And so... You know, I feel pretty good about the spreads. I mean, kind of where they are this quarter is kind of where they'll stay. And so it's not like they're tightening to a point where we have an earnings issue or anything like that. It's just, you know, I wanted to express that, you know, for the last several quarters, I mean, the competition had been lighter and it's starting to, you know, it's coming back, which, you know, I don't necessarily think it's a bad thing. We've certainly, based on our cost of capital and our, you know, our institution, we can compete fine for quality deals. and generate nice risk-adjusted returns. But I would say spreads are kind of where we should expect them to be kind of the next few quarters.
spk12: Yeah, we actually looked at it. The last 12 months, we had 24 deals that closed, and the spread was essentially 750-ish. But the last nine deals since September have been just a little over 700. And the LTVs for the whole year were around, well, in the first half of the year were 25 to 30. And the overall is around 30% now. So we saw maybe the LTV is kicking up to 35% and 40%. So it's just things, I think what Bowen said is correct. It's about where it usually is.
spk11: It was significantly lower for a period of time.
spk03: Got it. That's it for me. Thank you.
spk08: Thank you.
spk09: I'm showing no further questions in the queue. I will now like to turn the call back over to Bourne Dill for closing remarks.
spk05: Well, thank you, everyone. As always, we enjoy talking about our business, your business, and answering questions. And so we appreciate everybody's time and look forward to continuing to give you all quarterly updates.
spk09: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect.
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