5/6/2021

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

Good day and welcome to the Charles and Colbert third quarter fiscal year 2021 earnings conference call and webcast. All participants will be in listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touchtone phone. To withdraw your question, you may press star then two. This earnings call may contain forward-looking statements as defined in Section 27A of the Securities Act of 1933 as amended, including statements regarding, among other things, the company's business strategy and growth strategy. Expressions which identify forward-looking statements speak only as of the date the statement is made. These forward-looking statements are based largely on our company's expectations and are subject to a number of risks and uncertainties. some of which cannot be predicted or quantified and are beyond our control. Future developments and actual results could differ materially from those set forth in, contemplated by, or underlying the forward-looking statements. In light of these risks and uncertainties, there can be no assurance that the forward-looking information will prove to be accurate. Accompanying today's call is a supporting PowerPoint slide deck, which is available in the investor relations section of the company's website at ir.charlesandcolvard.com slash events. The company will be hosting a Q&A session at the conclusion of prepared remarks. If you have questions and you'd like to submit, please email ir at charlesandcolvard.com. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Don O'Connell, President and Chief Executive Officer. Please go ahead, sir.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Welcome, everyone. Good afternoon. Today, we're going to report Charles & Colvard's fiscal 2021 third quarter results. I'm excited to share with you that the company's momentum continues. In Q3 fiscal 2021, we were able to deliver $9.4 million in revenue with a meaningful gross margin of 46%, achieving a net income of $1 million or 3 cents per diluted share. We increased our cash position by 65% from a year ago quarter to $19.7 million, which is a 17% increase over our cash position from the prior quarter. Our strong performance is the result of our continued execution of our strategic initiatives. I look forward to discussing this in more detail later during the call, but now I'll turn the call over to our CFO Clint Peete to unwrap the numbers for you.

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Clint Peete
Chief Financial Officer

Thanks, Don. Today, I'll provide a summary of key financials for Q3 fiscal 2021. Additional detail can be found in our earnings press release that we issued this afternoon and our Form 10-Q, which we expect to file this evening. Please note that all percentage comparisons are to the year-ago quarter and less specified otherwise. We'll start with revenue. In total, net sales for Q3 2021 totaled $9.4 million versus $6.5 million, or an increase of 45%. Net sales for our online channel segment, which includes charlesandcovar.com, moissaniteoutlet.com, marketplaces, dropship retail, and other pre-play outlets, totaled $5.6 million for the quarter, or an increase of 45%. representing 59% of total net sales. More specifically, net sales from our transactional website, charlesandcovar.com, increased by 65%. Net sales for our traditional segment, which consists of wholesale and brick and mortar customers, totaled $3.8 million for the quarter, or an increase of 45%, representing 41% of total net sales. Venice jewelry net sales increased 79% for the quarter as we continue to see strong demand for our premium jewelry on our online direct-to-consumer channels and with our brick and mortar retail customers. Loose jewel net sales increased 7% for the quarter. This is due to increased demand from our domestic and international distributors. Overall, international net sales increased 38%. while cross-border trade sales on our transactional website, charlesinfocovar.com, increased 15%. Additionally, we saw an increase in demand from our Asian distributors as they began to rebound from the impacts of COVID-19. Moving on, we delivered a gross margin of 46%. The year-ago quarter included a write-off totaling approximately $5.3 million of legacy material inventory, which led to a negative 41% gross margin for the year-ago quarter. For Q3 2021, total operating expenses decreased 6%, representing 35% of total net sales compared to 54% in the year-ago quarter. Sales and marketing expenses decreased 12% to $2.2 million, and G&A expenses increased 10% to $1.1 million for the quarter. We reported net income for Q3 2021 of $1 million, or 4 cents per basic share and 3 cents per diluted share, compared with a net loss of approximately $6.2 million, or a loss of 21 cents per diluted share in the year-ago period. Our weighted average shares outstanding used in the calculation of diluted earnings per share were approximately 30.5 million shares at March 31st, 2021, compared to 29 million shares at June 30th, 2020. This increase was driven by the issuance of approximately 800,000 shares related to stock option exercises during the quarter, along with the dilutive effect of outstanding stock options based on our stock price as of March 31, 2021. Now, let's move on to a snapshot of our balance sheet. Our liquidity and capital position remained solid as we ended the quarter at $19.7 million of total cash compared to $14.6 million at our last fiscal year-end, June 30, 2020. Our cash flow from operations was $2.3 million for the quarter, compared to a negative $1.3 million in the year-ago quarter. Our working capital at March 31st increased from June 30, 2020, by $12.2 million to $29.7 million. In terms of other sources of liquidity, we continue to have access to a $5 million asset-based credit facility with White Oak Commercial Finance. As of March 31st, 2021, we have not accessed funds through this credit facility. In January of this year, we extended the lease on our corporate headquarters for an additional five years. This amendment, which required a re-measurement for accounting purposes, did not have a material impact on our income statement or cash flows. Balance sheet impact resulted in an increase in our right of use asset of $3.9 million and lease liability of approximately $4.4 million. Inventory as of March 31st, 2021 totaled $28.9 million compared to $30.6 million as of June 30th, 2020. Luce Jewel's inventory was $16.9 million compared to $20.8 million as of June 30, 2020. Venice Jewelry's inventory was $12 million compared to $9.7 million as of June 30, 2020 to maintain stock levels for our growing demand requirements. In conclusion, we believe we had a strong quarter from both a net sales and profitability perspective. With that, I'll turn the call back over to Don.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Clint. These positive results are a reflection of our team's ability to execute and deliver on our strategic initiatives and business goals. We continue to make strides in building robust reporting tools, furthering our ability to make measurable data-driven decisions. Operationally, we expanded our capacity in order to meet the growing demand, all the while decreasing operating expenses by 6%. Overall, we believe we've become more efficient, allowing us to successfully flex all areas of the business, especially during the important Valentine's Day season. For example, from January 1st to February 14th, our online channel segment revenue increased 21%, and the demand on our transactional website, charlesandcovard.com, grew by 38% over the same period last year. And As our full quarter results reflect, we continue to see significant top-line growth beyond that holiday period. As Clint stated also, in January we renewed the lease on our corporate headquarters, ensuring business continuity. Included in the lease amendment, we negotiated an allowance for leasehold improvements for up to $545,000 and a rent abatement of approximately $214,000. These building improvements will allow us to support ongoing initiatives, scale distribution and manufacturing, and expand sales and marketing functional areas to increase our digital and video capabilities. Our sales and marketing teams continue to enhance our digital functionality and build out our digital roadmap. This positions us to capitalize on innovative technology that is creating new digital commerce opportunities to generate new sources of revenue for the company. Merchandising and product development continue to play an integral role in our success. During the quarter, we were able to introduce new Cadia lab-grown diamond offerings as well as expanded on our patented signature collection with new designs featuring additional Forever One Moissanite gem shapes and sizes. Our Moissanite business grew 49% over the year-ago quarter. and Arcadia lab grown diamond business grew by 34% over Q2 fiscal 2021. We believe this proves the value of our product line expansion and validates our belief that we're not experiencing cannibalization. We were pleased to see significant growth in our traditional segment with a 45% increase in revenue as our distribution and brick and mortar retail partners continue to gain momentum post COVID-19 related impacts. Our product brand strategy to elevate Forever One is resonating with the consumers and thus driving higher demand for our products. Additionally, we expanded our Macy's in-store program, adding nearly 20 Moissanite jewelry styles within the quarter. Our online channel segment remained strong with a 45% growth in revenue over the year-ago quarter, which was largely fueled by by increased net sales on our transactional website and from our dropship retail partners. Also, during the quarter, we expanded product assortments with our online retailers to support their growing moissanite demand. Based on these positive results, we believe our current marketing strategy is working. We continue to gain traction in building and elevating the Charles & Colvard brand and our product lines for everyone moissanite and Cadia lab-grown diamonds. Our more immersive shopping experiences such as live virtual consultations and live videos create a stronger bond with the consumer. This allows us to be part of their buying journey in a meaningful way. Looking forward, it's important for us to build out our internal video capabilities to educate and engage with our customers in real time and on demand. Livestream shopping is a $66 billion business in China and gaining popularity now in the U.S. We expect to be well-positioned to capitalize on this digital transformation and other opportunities in order to increase our market share. We will continue to elevate the Charles & Colvard brand, expand product offerings with Forever One, Moissanite, and Cadia Lab Ground Diamonds, engage with the consumers and shareholders to ensure we're meeting their expectations. support our retail and distribution partners as they experience positive trends with Moissanite, and explore new opportunities to expand Cadia Lab-grown diamonds into our sales and operations pipeline. We're proud of the meaningful growth we've experienced over the past three quarters, but we will not grow complacent. We will be diligent in our quest to capture greater market share, drive brand equity, and further increase shareholder value. With that, Garrett, I'd like to turn it back over to you for questions.

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your touch tone phone. If you're using a speaker phone, please pick up your headset before pressing the keys. To withdraw your question, please press star then two. Please limit yourself to one question and one follow up. If you have further questions, you may re-enter the question queue. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster.

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Q&A Moderator
Call Facilitator

Our first question comes from Mariah Cole of Cole Capital.

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Mariah Cole
Investor, Cole Capital

Good afternoon, gentlemen. Thank you for doing the conference call today. One question. As your press release shows, your sales and marketing expenses of $2.2 million declined 12% year over year, yet remarkably your sales grew by 45% year over year. Can you explain what you're doing differently from a marketing perspective, that you're spending less money but still generating very healthy growth?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, sure, Ryan. Thanks for pointing that out. So strategically, during what we call the transition into Q1 and Q2, and we've been speaking to it, is we changed our entire marketing methodology or strategy. So more focused on a mid-to-lower funnel-type conversion-based model. That's really critical for us. Also, we can measure the ROI. We've also expanded on our analytics side of the business for really just knowing where that consumer is and getting to those consumers that are predisposed to buying lab-grown products in general or, for example, moissanite or lab-grown diamonds specific to their needs. In conjunction with that, our marketing team has kind of had a complete transformation from personnel across the board. We did decrease some of the marketing spend just related to salaries and so forth. So that actually helped the cause a little bit, and we were able to kind of meaningfully deploy some of those dollars into direct to paid and search. We also adopted a pay-so model, which is paid, earned, shared, and owned pay. marketing strategy. So focusing more on shared content through our PR firm, also through our marketing team, earned media content and exposure, further building awareness has really helped the cause. And actually, you know, the marketing team is doing a phenomenal job in kind of changing the aesthetic of the brand, the look and feel, and really just targeting those consumers that are effectively converting customers. So they're doing a great job there. So we will look in the future to be able to kind of capitalize and expand on the spend to be able to increase top-line growth too as well now.

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Mariah Cole
Investor, Cole Capital

Got it. So given your success with marketing this quarter, do you have enough confidence in what you're doing in terms of its repeatability that you would have confidence in materially increasing your marketing dollar spend and have confidence that it will result in growth even faster sales growth as the marketing traction takes place and converts into sales?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

In short, yes, absolutely. But we will also add to that that we also expanded our product offerings too as well. So what does that do for us? That gives us the opportunity to buy keywords in the lab-grown diamond space, market more toward the lab-grown diamond consumer to be able to kind of lift the overall business on both sides of the house now that we offer that consumer the choice. Prior, we weren't able to do that. So really, that also helps the cause and also increases our market ability and our total TAM effect for the business.

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Mariah Cole
Investor, Cole Capital

Okay. And last question. As you know, De Beers has entered this space with their Lightbox brand, and they're selling through Blue Nile. How do you go about trying to compete effectively with them? I know there's room, obviously, for multiple players, but De Beers evidently is investing large amounts of money, like $100 million plus, has a nice shelf space at Blue Nile on an exclusive basis. And the question then is, how do you go about trying to compete and hopefully maybe even grow faster than Lightbox?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Well, you know, that's a tough question. So the way we look at De Beers, we look at De Beers, you know, as the probably 30,000-pound gorilla, so to speak, in the natural mine business, right? It's a testament to the lab-grown movement that they've actually ventured into that business to as well and really are spending a tremendous amount of capital in that space. So that validates the overall entire market. And then also you're looking at Diamond Foundry, who just recently had a capital raise of $200 million with a valuation of $1.8 billion or $1.7, $1.8 billion. That also further elevates the overall awareness of lab-grown gemstones as a whole, so we're pleased with that. The early-on estimates of the lab-grown diamond space was $5.2 billion, so we believe that there's plenty of room. To answer your question specifically as it relates to Lightbox, we You know what? They're doing more of a basic type product right now, and they've introduced colored diamonds to their product in different colors, assortments, but really just focusing on core basics. Our business is going after from the fashion side to the bridal, and we believe that our product mix is a premium grade of gemstones. So what differentiates us from them is we're specifically focused on that premium consumer, that wants to do E, F, and G color grades and qualities that are VS4 better. They actually come to market. They do nice goods. They do come to market with good quality and good standards, but we believe there's plenty of room for all of us.

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Mariah Cole
Investor, Cole Capital

All right. Thank you. Well, congratulations and best of luck.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you very much, Uriah. We appreciate the call.

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

Again, if you have a question, please press star, then 1. Our next question comes from Richard Molenski.

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Richard Molenski
Investor

Don, congratulations. Great quarter. Love the momentum. And if you could give us your thoughts on the big news that came out yesterday from Pandora about them doing strictly lab-grown diamonds, how does it affect you guys, do you think, in a positive, negative light? And also, with Are you looking at other chains like a Macy's that you could start a program first maybe on the Internet with them and then get into their stores because of the success you've had with Macy's? Are you using that for other chains possibly in the next, you know, six to 12 months?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah. Hi, Richard. Thanks for the call. So let's address the Pandora conversation because it's all over the news right now. Absolutely a positive conversation. move not only on their part, but overall, it just solidified the fact of what we've been saying for 25 years as a lab-grown company. You know, it's really important to be mindful of the earth and mindful of, you know, kind of what we're bringing to market. So sustainable and ethically sourced products. So certainly we do recycled and responsible metals all the time, which is real critical for our business. And certainly the moissanite is totally sustainable and ethically sourced and manufactured. You know, the Pandora model for them to shift completely to lab-grown diamonds is very significant. It's significant for us. It's significant for the movement. And I believe that we'll all capture greater market share because of it. You know, certainly we're excited about it. They have a different type of business, too, as well. Like I was, you know, referring prior to the prior call with Ariya, that certainly they're more gift-giving and they do some nice – fashion product, too, as well. But they have a very unique and distinct product, and we believe there's plenty of room for us. And we're excited about their entry and their foray and really the overall awareness that it's creating right now, even for us. So we'll believe we're going to get a lot of lift from that, too, as well.

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Richard Molenski
Investor

Yeah, thank you so much. And the second question is just, are there retails like a Macy's that possibly we could sign up with, you know?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, if you just, you know, kind of listen a little bit and kind of you know, led you a little bit there that we're going to expand KD 11 on diamonds into our sales and distribution pipeline. You know, I don't want to get into specifics right now, but it could be brick and mortar. It could be our drop ship partners. Uh, it could be in, in multiple, um, areas of the business right now. We're specific to charlesandcovar.com, uh, which we've experienced that, you know, 34%, uh, growth over the quarter. Now, mind you, uh, Last quarter was our holiday quarter, so to have a 34% growth in the diamond space, in the lab-grown diamond space, we believe is meaningful. But also, you know, I just wanted to call out, too, as well, 49% increase in the moissanite business, too, as well. So we'll look to expand different channels for the KD lab-grown diamonds here shortly, and we'll be talking about that in the coming quarters.

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Richard Molenski
Investor

Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Great job again. Keep up.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

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Q&A Moderator
Call Facilitator

Take care. Our next question comes from Edward Gilmore.

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Edward Gilmore
Investor

Hi, Don. Congrats on the quarter. Just a quick question on the inventory position. I wondered if you could add a little color as to what's in inventory currently and then also do you have a target number that you're looking to kind of get that down to? Thank you.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

You know, we get this question a lot, but really the makeup of the inventory is real critical. So our inventory levels have actually decreased, all the while increasing our product offering between the lab-grown diamonds, all the while increasing our position in-store with Macy's and our consignment program and or our asset programs. So we need to support those businesses. Those are critical for us. And also, you know, we need to understand that the supply chain constraints are affecting a lot of folks around the world in our industry. Certainly you've heard the news with India and so forth. So I want to be mindful of that. I want to be ahead of it. I want to be able to make sure that my sales and operations pipeline team, forecasting teams have what they need to support kind of this momentum and this growth trajectory that we're on. So the composition of the inventory is largely based on finished gems and finished jewelry. And those percentages, you know, we feel we're very consistent with where we are. On our finished jewelry side, we probably have, what, Clint, $12 million?

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Clint Peete
Chief Financial Officer

Just at $12 million.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Right. We're right at $12 million on the finished jewelry side, which we think that's important. You know, let's keep in mind that the SLAs and the requirements for the Amazons, the marketplaces, customers, as well as our drop ship partners are very, very stringent. we need to ship either that day if they order within a certain period of time, and we need to be able to execute. And with the largest portion of our business driving to the online customer base, we need to make sure that we have the adequate inventory to be able to support that cause. As far as the gemstone raw materials and stuff, we've actually decreased that number significantly, so we're real pleased with that. And the makeup of those goods are really active, and we're real pleased with that. We also want to note too as well, Ed, that there is a cycle related to our cutting and fastening of our gemstones too as well. So we have to be mindful of that, and we have to be mindful of when we're going to go to market with the given goods and what our strategy is for the holiday season coming up, which we generally start to begin now to build out to. So we're pleased with that inventory. We'll also look to be mindful and really kind of drive down where it needs to be driven. Keep in mind we also launched our moissaniteoutlet.com, which is our disposition strategy and our direct-to-consumer website that is absolutely under its own label, under MoissaniteOutlet.com. And then we'll be moving any inactive or non-performing goods throughout that, which we spoke to in the last quarter. And I've been speaking to the investor community. So we'll be pushing what we can through those channels and through that channel to be able to kind of maintain the level of inventory that's critical to the business. and critical to the growth that we anticipate the business going to.

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Edward Gilmore
Investor

All right. Thank you. And congrats again to you and the team on a good quarter.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, sir. Appreciate it.

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

Our next question comes from Paul Zimniski of PZDA.

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Paul Zimniski
Investor (PZDA)

Hi, guys. Just a quick one on the 34% growth in lab diamond sales and 49% growth in moissanite. What was the comparable on that? It cut out a little bit in the prepared remarks.

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Clint Peete
Chief Financial Officer

I mean, from the – you say the comparable. I mean, actually, we just launched lab-grown diamonds in late September of 2020. So I don't know if you should talk about comparable to a year ago quarter or – Yeah, well, you just said that you saw 34% growth in lab diamond sales.

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Paul Zimniski
Investor (PZDA)

What is that growth relative to them?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so basically we're just comparing it to the sales that we had once we launched it, the tail end of Q1 into Q2, and then we're just getting that percentage number. At this time, we're not disclosing what the overall market is. We don't discuss product brands and what that is besides the growth trajectory.

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Paul Zimniski
Investor (PZDA)

So it was up 34% relative to the tail end of Q1 2020? Yes.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

relative to the tail end of Q1 2021, as far as the LGD diamonds.

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Paul Zimniski
Investor (PZDA)

Okay. Okay. And then could you maybe talk a little bit about how you see growing the two primary products, the Moissanite and the diamonds, and if you see one of those as, you know, a greater priority than the other as far as investment, you know, in the category in the near and the medium term?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so that's a great question, Paul. I mean, certainly the Moissanite business, you know, we've been in business for 25 years. We've been making strategic investments. We believe that now that we have the diamond choice, it's actually kind of building more awareness to the Moissanite that those who didn't know about Moissanite or never even heard about it are actually driving to our website and they're learning about it and they're making that purchase. As far as the investments, we're continuing our straightforward trajectory and the momentum and the investments in our Moissanite, which is our house product in Forever One. And we're actually working towards making meaningful investments into the diamond space and continue to grow that. Certainly in the lab-grown diamond, we believe that the market opportunity is tremendous, probably more so than the Moissanite. So, I mean, you can probably read between the lines there that, you know, we'll see significant growth on both sides. But for right now, what we're seeing is the Moissanite business is growing at a higher level and a higher pace than the diamond business. But again, we're deploying capital towards marketing spend, you know, that, you know, speaks to both sides and we're letting that consumer choose. So in the coming quarters, I'll be able to kind of tell you where that customer is and what that customer is choosing.

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Paul Zimniski
Investor (PZDA)

Got it. Thank you very much.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Thank you. I appreciate it, Paul.

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

Our next question comes from Eric Landry of BML Capital.

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Q&A Moderator
Call Facilitator

Hi, thanks. Hi, Eric. Hi.

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

Anything you could say about the gross margin down a couple hundred basis points? Sure. Or should we just wait for the queue?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

No, I mean, sure, we can talk about it. So, you know, 46% margin is pretty strong, right? We're still excited about that we're delivering 46%. We, you know, from time to time have to make certain decisions within the business from, you know, certain melts and different things like that. And we certainly had an opportunity to do that, and there was some impact related to that. There was also some impact related to Valentine's Day sales, right? So we had a beautiful Valentine's Day sales event, and we were able to really capitalize on kind of the marketing plan and everything related to that and We did forego a little bit of margin creep on that, but for the most part, it's tied to the melt.

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

Tied to the melt? Something to do with the metals?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so let's talk about that a little bit. Sorry about that. Sometimes people don't understand what that means. So in every course of business, you get returns, you get defective product from either the shops and the factories and even customers' returns or even... you know, broken stones or whatever that is, and we take that and we compile that and it goes into a bucket for all intents and purposes. And that bucket starts to, you know, to be comprised of loose gemstones that we can actually dismount and use those gemstones to be able to recut those gemstones into, you know, fresh new product. And then as far as the metals, we're able to take those metals and we're able to recycle those metals because we are a recycled company, so we like to recycle those metals and put it back to production. But there is some losses associated with those metals and the shrinkage and so forth. So does that clear it up for you a little bit?

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

A little bit. So it sounds like there may be a small element of a one-timer in the, so to speak.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

You're right. So we do that periodically, right? So responsibly, we've got to look at that. And if it gets too big, you know, we want to manage that. We don't want it to get too big to where it actually has a material effect on the business. you know, all the while we're delivering, you know, great EPS here or a nice, we believe to be a nice EPS, and we believe a nice strong profit of a million dollars, you know, there's times when it's more meaningful to be able to take those, you know, you know.

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

I got you. Okay, so without that event that may or may not be, you know, may kind of be termed a one-timer, the gross margin would have been a little bit higher. Who knows how much, correct?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

I mean, you can come to your conclusions, but certainly that's specific to what I addressed.

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

Good. Okay, great. So now here's a question that you probably can't answer, but I'll go ahead and ask it anyways. Okay. How much – I mean, the growth was fantastic. It was off the charts. Can't complain about that. How much of that growth do you think you could attribute to just a pent-up demand effect – And how much is sort of a secular growth story while you take share from the, you know, the mind diamonds, so to speak? Anything you could say about that? Any thoughts or anything would be very helpful.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Sure. So I'd like to believe that it's a secular effect, right? From adding the product brand of lab-grown diamonds, from changing the marketing strategy, really kind of the overall culture of the business and the shift in what we're doing and and the effectiveness of that, I know for sure that there is some pent-up demand COVID-wise out there. There's stimulus happening. There's things like that. So that's why it's really important that we kind of keep the foot on the throttle and we kind of watch every single thing that's going on within the business. But for us, we're confident in kind of the growth where we are and what we've accomplished. but certainly the added product mix and the added product offering certainly helps the business, certainly drives more awareness to us as a brand, and really our overall positioning is just different, right? And we'll continue to focus on capitalizing on that.

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

Okay. All right, here's the last one. How much do you think that the growth can be attributed to your business? your designs, the designs that only you have and nobody else has, as opposed to just the popularity of lab-grown and moissanite?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

That's actually a fantastic question. We've been speaking about it over several quarters and even prior our launch of Signature Collection, which is our own proprietary patented collection, patented designs, and it's having a significant impact we believe within our business, and actually the consumer understands that red thread and that theme, that it is Charles and Colvard specific to the brand, furthering, bolstering our brand equity and who we are and what we bring to market. So we don't actually disclose the percentages or numbers on that, but it's also climbing as well, and it's a value add to everything we do here.

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Eric Landry
Investor (BML Capital)

All right. Well, great. Thanks, and keep it up. Keep kicking ass.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

All right, thanks. We appreciate you, man.

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

Our next question comes from Jason. You're saying they're from Bumbershoot Holdings.

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Jason
Investor (Bumbershoot Holdings)

Congratulations on another strong quarter here. Jason, how are you doing? First question, the PPP loan obviously still had it through the end of the quarter. Can you talk about forgiveness on that or where it stands today or when you're expecting that?

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Clint Peete
Chief Financial Officer

Sure, I'll let Clint address that. Thanks. Hey, Jason. Yeah, we currently have not filed for our application for forgiveness to date. Our lender has recently told us that we could probably, they'll start taking the application in the fourth quarter. We expect maybe around June 1st we'll be able to submit and then follow, you know, follow the process of the forgiveness approval process with both the SBA and the lender.

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Jason
Investor (Bumbershoot Holdings)

Okay. And then just to go back to Katie, just I guess I need clarity now. What you're saying on the growth rate in lab-grown, excluding all the moissanite, fiscal Q3 grew 34% sequentially on top of the holiday period fiscal Q2 or versus the initial launch period?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

It's versus Q2. That is specific. you know, the Moissanite and the Acadia lab grown diamond grew within this quarter, but it's specific to the Q2 sales versus the Q3 sales.

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Q&A Moderator
Call Facilitator

So you grew on top of the holiday period. So we grew 49% on the Moissanite over the year ago quarter.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

But on the lab-grown diamonds, we only launched the end of Q3. So we generated revenue at the end of Q3, whatever those sales were, were there. But it was nominal because we basically had eight days in that quarter when we launched it or whatever reporting days there was. And then from there, we went into Q2 holiday where we launched the program. So we generated sales in Q2 right out of the gate, and we continued to kind of increase the velocity of the sales and the lab-grown, you know, Cadia brand. And then from there, we stopped it at the end of Q2. We took those numbers as revenue. And then we actually just used all of Q3 sales against those numbers. And that's where we had the 34% increase over Q2 fiscal 20 to 1.

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Jason
Investor (Bumbershoot Holdings)

Got it. Fantastic. And so then just with the Labrador Diamonds, how vertically integrated or technical know-how is that piece? I know in Moissanite, there's very deep roots in the company infrastructure. versus lab-grown with KDL? Are you developing that, or is it more of a sourcing and branding, you know, aspect?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, so let's talk about that a little bit. So, I mean, I've been in the industry for over three and a half decades. So from the transfer of knowledge in the diamond world, it's second nature to me. So that's really my forte is diamonds and gems. And then I came to Charles and Cobard, and then we, you know, now only do lab-grown moissanite and lab-grown diamonds. So for me, a diamond is a diamond and certainly our lab-grown diamonds, CADIA, is a diamond. So same entire language and conversation and dialogue and marketing strategy and plans and designs and everything is exactly the same. Some of the differentiators between CADIA and others is we only bring the market to premium grades of gemstones. So that's really important. Really all the gemstones are IGI certified or GCAL or even GIA for that matter. Basically, we allow the third resident experts out there to third-party confirmations to be able to do that. Certainly, the styling is important. Certainly, the signature collection, bringing Cadia lab-grown diamonds mounted in our proprietary signature patented collections is critical, and that's a delineation from others. You'll look to us to try to become more vertically integrated as the road It kind of continues, and the business case continues, and we continue to grow the business.

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Jason
Investor (Bumbershoot Holdings)

In terms of the technology, for making it or expanding the brand from a sales perspective?

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

So expanding the brand from a sales perspective is a given. That's the natural progression. If that consumer is there, that consumer is buying, we have the capacity. We have the infrastructure. We have all elements in place to grow this thing as big as it wants to grow. As far as the actual cutting and faceting, we do that with our moissanite gemstones. We do not do that on the lab-grown diamonds at this time, right? So the progression could be one could think that we could actually be more vertically integrated on the diamond as the business starts to evolve and grow.

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Jason
Investor (Bumbershoot Holdings)

Okay, awesome. Appreciate the answers there. Thanks.

speaker
Q&A Moderator
Call Facilitator

Okay, great. Appreciate it.

speaker
Conference Operator
Call Moderator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Don O'Connell, President and CEO, for closing remarks.

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Don O'Connell
President and Chief Executive Officer

Don, we appreciate your time today. On behalf of the entire Charles and Colvard team, I want to thank you for your continued interest and support for CTHR. We look forward to the next calls. Keep in mind that if you want to reach out and have a one-on-one, certainly you can go to ir.charlesandcovar.com, request an appointment, and Clint or myself will get on that call, and we'll be happy to be as transparent as we can to answer any questions or comments. But thanks again. We enjoyed the time. Y'all be well.

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Conference Operator
Call Moderator

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