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spk19: Thank you for standing by and welcome to Caesars Entertainment Inc. first quarter 2024 earnings call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. If your question has been answered and you'd like to remove yourself from the queue, simply press star 1-1 again to remove yourself from the queue. As a reminder, today's program is being recorded. And now I'd like to introduce your host for today's program, Brian Agnew, Senior Vice President of Corporate Finance, Treasury, and Investor Relations. Please go ahead.
spk18: Thank you, Jonathan, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. Welcome to our conference call to discuss our first quarter 2024 earnings. This afternoon, we issued a press release announcing our financial results for the period ended March 31st, 2024. A copy of the press release is available in the investor relations section of our website at investor.caesars.com. As usual, joining me on the call today are Tom Riege, our CEO, Anthony Carano, our president and COO, Brett Yonker, our CFO, Eric Heschen, president of Caesar Sports and Online Gaming, and my colleague, Charisse Crumbly, in investor relations. Before I turn the call over to Anthony... I would like to remind you that during today's conference call, we may make certain forward-looking statements under safe harbor federal securities laws, and these statements may or may not come true. Also, during today's call, the company may discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures as defined by SEC Regulation G. Please visit our press releases located on our investor relations website for a reconciliation of the differences between each non-GAAP financial measure and the comparable GAAP financial measure. I will now turn the call over to Anthony.
spk00: Thank you, Brian, and good afternoon to everyone on the call. During the first quarter, consolidated net revenues of $2.7 billion declined 1%, and total adjusted EBITDA of $853 million declined 10% year over year. We faced several transitory issues during the quarter, including low table holds in our Las Vegas segment and inclement winter weather in our regional segment, plus a loss on the launch of sports betting in North Carolina. Despite these transitory issues, there were several bright spots during the quarter, including record Q1 occupancy in Las Vegas driven by strong visitation, 23% OSB net gaming revenue growth, and 54% iCasino net gaming revenue growth in our digital segment, and sequential improvement in operating results in our regional segment each month during Q1. Despite the holes related headwinds in Las Vegas during the quarter, our Las Vegas segment delivered $440 million of adjusted EBITDA, which is the second best Q1 on record. Occupancy in Q1 reached 97.6%, a new Q1 record, which also drove a record for Q1 cash hotel and food and beverage revenues during the quarter. In our regional segment in Q1, we delivered $433 million of adjusted EBITDA, down 3% versus last year, driven by unfavorable winter weather during the first six weeks of the quarter. Regional trends improved each month throughout the quarter, with March delivering positive revenue and EBITDA growth. Similar to prior quarters, outside of the negative weather impacts, we continue to face new competition in a few markets and construction disruption in New Orleans, which was partially offset by our new temporary facilities in Danville, Virginia and Columbus, Nebraska. Turning to CapEx, in 2024, we will finish several construction projects that we expect to generate strong returns and will complete an elevated CapEx cycle for the company. The permanent facility in Columbus, Nebraska will open on May 13th. Construction in New Orleans should finish by Labor Day, and the permanent facility in Danville is expected to open by year end. All three of these projects will deliver strong returns on capital to drive growth in our regional segments. I want to thank all of our team members for their hard work so far in 2024. Our strong results are a reflection of their dedication to delivering exceptional guest service. With that, I will now turn the call over to Eric Hession for some insights on the first quarter performance in our digital segment.
spk07: Eric Hession Thanks, Anthony. Caesars Digital delivered $282 million in net revenues, up 19% year-over-year, and generated $5 million of adjusted EBITDA during the quarter. Results in our digital segment were driven by strong momentum in both online sports betting and iCasino during the quarter. As Anthony mentioned, online sports betting net revenues grew 23% and iCasino delivered 54% net revenue growth. The strong performance in these two verticals was offset slightly by declines in our retail and other segments. In our online sports betting segment during the quarter, hold increased roughly 80 basis points year over year. However, despite The increase, it was at the lower end of our expected range due to less favorable results around Super Bowl and March Madness. Despite the unfavorable large event outcomes, parlay mix improved approximately 400 basis points year over year during the quarter, driven by our improved user interface and pricing uptime. Higher parlay mix gives us confidence in our ability to continue to improve holds throughout 2024 and beyond. iGaming set new quarterly records for active customers, volume, GGR, and net gaming revenue, driven by the success of our new Caesars Palace online app, which despite only launching roughly seven months ago, now makes up more than 50% of the net gaming revenues in this segment. Customers continue to respond favorably to the product interface, game content, and improved loyalty marketing. iCasino remains a critical component of our digital growth strategy for 2024 and beyond During the quarter, we also successfully launched mobile sports wagering in North Carolina. We're encouraged by the early results and have signed up new customers at a faster pace than prior state launches, translating into a higher initial market share. We remain focused on several key priorities for the remainder of the year. On the sports betting side, work continues on our proprietary PAM, which will enable shared wallet across state lines. We expect to deliver this important functionality across all of the jurisdictions in which we operate by the middle of 2025. We will also continue to improve our product on the sports betting side, enhancing our same-game parlay, live wagering, and internal pricing. On the iCasino side, we will continue to add additional game content and functionality and are on track to launch our new iCasino brand in the second half of 2024. We now offer sports betting in 31 North American jurisdictions, 26 of which offer mobile wagering. I'm very pleased with the progress we made this first quarter. Excluding the effects from new state launches, our net revenue flow through to EBITDA was over 50%, consistent with our expectations and setting the stage for continued profitable growth in the years ahead. Now I'll turn it over to Brad.
spk15: Thanks, Eric. We had an active first quarter on the capital market side, refinancing $4.4 billion of parent-level debt, eliminating the CRC credit entity, and extending debt maturities to 2031 and beyond. On April 26th, we closed on a new $425 million bank financing at the joint venture level for our Danville property. This facility will be used to cover all remaining CapEx requirements for the permanent casino that is expected to open in December. 2024 CapEx, excluding our Danville JV, is expected to be $800 million. We look forward to using strong free cash flow generation to continue to repay debt and reduce leverage toward our stated goals. Over to Tom.
spk14: Thanks, Brett. We're not in the habit of delivering quarters that look like this, so I want to go through detail on how we got there and want to talk about whether anything fundamental has changed in the business. This is the kind of answer to the questions I would have if I was in your seat. If you look at the biggest buckets, this was kind of a kitchen sink type quarter for us. Everything that could go wrong did for us. The biggest pieces are hold in Las Vegas, weather across the country that was well understood and you've seen with others, and then losses around the launch of North Carolina in digital markets. There's others that I'll touch on that are more minor, but there's well over $75 million of what's clearly one-time negatives for us in the quarter. So if I look at kind of where we came out of the quarter and the way the business was operating fundamentally during the quarter, it looks more, in my estimation, like a flattish quarter notwithstanding. the EBITDA that we posted. Starting in Vegas, our typical hold is a range of 20% to 23% tables in Vegas. We were 15% for the quarter. So 500 to 800 basis points below normal range. Midpoint of that is 650. and that's on $850 million of drop. So you can see that's a very, very large piece of the shortfall in the quarter. You know, this is table hold is a typical bell curve. We were certainly in the second standard deviation to the negative. You know, we are completely comfortable that This reverses over time. You'll have quarters that are the reverse. I'm sure you, as you're listening, you can think of some in recent history that were two standard deviations to the positive. Unfortunately, not for us, but our time will come. This was not an instance of a few players beating us. This was kind of a repeated butt-kicking broadly based throughout the quarter. If you look at our volumes, slots were about flat. As Anthony said, hotel and F&B hit set first quarter records, and both hotel and F&B overcame, the revenue overcame the increases in union costs to deliver more profitability to us. So volumes where great people are still here. We just didn't hold. And if you think about running these properties at over 97% occupancy, you're fully staffed. There is no opportunity to make up hold. So it's particularly negative on the operating leverage side when you don't hold. We had the additional impact of Adele in Coliseum shifted dates from March into the fourth quarter. That impacts this quarter, but that's revenue and EBITDA that we will pick up in the fourth quarter with the rescheduled dates. So largely a non-event other than in this quarter's numbers. If we look at forward, as we sit here today, I'm looking at April, May, June. Each month is forecast at 98% occupancy in the market. Our cash rates are, depending on the month, up 8% to 14%. So Vegas remains very, very strong. I am not a guy who likes to talk about hold, so I'm hoping this is the last time I talk about it this year. But if you presume normal hold and what we see in front of us on a forward basis, I would expect Vegas to grow for each of the last three quarters of the year. We're in about a little over $70 million hole out of the first quarter. I don't know that we'll make up that entire $70 million. That probably needs whole benefit on the right side of the range. but I'd expect we're eating at that throughout each quarter the rest of the year. Moving to regionals, we were down 3%. As I said, weather was a significant impact that everybody knows about. Absent weather, regionals would have been up year over year for us. We are particularly optimistic about the rest of the year, particularly the second half, continue to believe that regionals will grow on a full year basis for us. Anthony talked about New Orleans and Danville coming online to give you, in addition to Columbus, Nebraska, which will start cash flowing in the next couple of weeks. So that's dollars we've spent that has no EBITDA attached to it until it opens two weeks from now. But if you start in Danville, that's a property That's operating in a temporary structure at the highest wind per unit numbers in our entire system, which reflects unmet demand. We almost double our capacity when we open the permanent facility at the end of the year. That will be dilutive to margins because the temporary facility is operating excessively. 60% margins, but it's accretive to overall EBITDA. And then if you think about New Orleans, as that opens Labor Day and you think about returns, recall that the way New Orleans runs its gaming tax regime in the city of New Orleans, there is a flat tax until you reach a certain level of gaming revenue. As we sit here today on an LTM basis, we're about $75 million below where that property moves to a variable rate versus a flat tax. So if you think about it in terms of returns on the project, the first $75 million of incremental gaming revenue generated has no incremental gaming tax to us. So obviously is extraordinarily high flow through. So that's regionals in Vegas. One more thing on regionals. If you think about trajectory, regional EBITDA in January for us was down more than 20%. In February was down about 4%. And in March was up about 10%. And if you look at this quarter, it's hard to talk much about April in terms of predictive effect since April is the least important month of the second quarter, but we feel good about the quarter and the rest of the year. Digital is an exciting story for us. I may be repeating some of Eric's numbers, but if you look at digital, North Carolina for us was a much more successful launch in terms of customer acquisition than we were anticipating, and then what we have seen in recent states. We didn't make any change to how we promoted Intuit. It's really a comment on the strength of our database in North Carolina, but our first month market share was almost 9% of the market, which is about 3x what we've been doing in other new launch states. So as a result, North Carolina was negative 11 of net revenue in the quarter and negative 20 million of EBITDA. So if you strip out that launch, we were 25 million of EBITDA. OSB revenue was up 33%. And iCasino, as Eric said, which was not impacted by North Carolina, was up 54%. So tremendous momentum in digital for us in the quarter. And that was despite, as others have talked about, March Madness Super Bowl were not great from a hold perspective. Our hold was up. Our parlay percentage was up over 20% versus the same quarter last year. So our efforts to increase our hold are bearing fruit. As you can see, we are almost 100 basis points better in the queue despite poor sports outcomes. On the Caesars Palace online launch, as Eric said, we're now in our seventh month post-launch, and that business is already doing more than 50% of our revenue. In iCasino, it's doing exactly what we anticipated in terms of creating an iGaming customer base that looks like our database, looks like our physical floors, skews females, skews to slots. You should expect us to continue to build on that momentum. We'd anticipate launching a second brand very similar to the first before the end of the year that should allow us to continue that momentum. There's been a lot of talk for a lot of quarters about, gee, can you get to 500 million? I've talked about the legs of the stool that get us there. If we look at it in a different way, in terms of what I see as I look at how we build this business, We did a billion dollars of net revenue in digital in 2023. We reported 40 million of EBITDA on a hold-adjusted basis fourth quarter. That'd be 60. Whether you use 40 or 60, start there. The industry is growing at 30% this year. We're growing. We should be growing at least at that given our iGame is growing considerably faster than the market. As Eric said, our flow through was in excess of 50% in this quarter. So if you take the billion, you have us grow at the market level and you flow that through, it's very easy for you to do that math. If you do that again in 2025, that should get you to something like 1.7 billion of revenue and something over $400 million in EBITDA. That does not include any benefit from the partnerships that roll off in the 24-25 timeframe. That's how I get to the $500 million target in 25 that very few of you believe that I see as really simple math and continuation of what's already happening in this business. If you want to quibble with me whether $500 million is a full year 25 number or we're run rating at that level in 25 and don't quite get to $500 million, I'm happy to have that discussion. I'd say that's certainly up for debate. But the idea that we're not going to do 500 million to me looks highly unlikely. And as I look at that target now, I look at that as a point in time and we're going to continue to move past that. We are going to generate more than $500 million of digital EBITDA. It's just a matter of when we're going to generate that. So we feel very, very, very good about what's going on in digital and that it really matches the progress against markers that we laid out when there was no one in the space laying out any similar markers. Before we launched in August of 21, we laid out how much we'd spend, what we thought the return could be, and we are right on that pace, if not ahead, at this point. So I feel fantastic about where digital is today. In terms of capital, we're spending a lot of capital this year. I've talked about on prior calls, we walked into a lot of capital spend when we did the Caesars merger. Caesars had already agreed to make the New Orleans investment that finishes Labor Day. They'd already won the license in Danville. The permanent opens the end of the year. And New Jersey gently encouraged us to spend the $400 million in CapEx in New Jersey. That's in the rearview mirror at this point. So as we report this quarter, we are one quarter closer to the step down in CapEx spend and the increase in free cash flow that I've talked about as our opportunity to move to offense, whether offense is buying in stock that in my estimation seems attractive or if we're in a different zip code, potentially looking outside for growth opportunities. You're really, as we sit here at the end of April, you're about five months away from that. So you should expect a step down in gross capex in 25. That's in excess of $500 million. Brett told you we just closed on our Danville credit facility, so the funding from Danville doesn't come through our balance sheet this year. So we really feel good about where we're sitting, what the rest of the year looks like. But as I said, we're not in the habit of reporting quarters like this. I wanted to give everyone a sense of where I see the business and where I see what this quarter looked like. You'll all do with that what you will. But we anticipate getting back to quarters like we've been printing for the last 10 years. starting with the next one. And with that, I'll open it up to questions.
spk19: Certainly. And as a reminder, ladies and gentlemen, if you do have a question at this time, please press star 1-1. One moment for our first question. And our first question comes from the line of Carlos Santorelli from Deutsche Bank. Your question, please.
spk01: Hey, Tom. Thank you for your remarks. I'm not going to get into the whole stuff. There was some stuff in there that I didn't entirely follow, but we could review it offline. What I wanted to ask about, though, was kind of the what what I see is kind of the widening gap between, you know, an implied Las Vegas GGR and net casino revenue. And I want to understand maybe a little bit. Is that a change in promotions? Does it have to do with the occupancies going up, maybe more comp rooms? And then, as you mentioned, cash rates. We're up nicely on the coming months, but what percentage of the mix, to the extent you could share, should we think about as being cash rates going forward?
spk14: Cash rates for us versus comp rates? Yes. We're about 75% cash in Vegas, and that hasn't really changed.
spk01: Okay. Yeah. and then on the other point, just in terms of, of reinvestment, et cetera, um, acknowledging, look, we don't have your slot hole, but if I were to just make assumptions that it's somewhat, you know, static, um, that gap seems to widen a little bit. And I was just wondering, is that, you know, some influence from the whole dynamics on the table side or, or is there, has there been a little bit of a change in promotional strategy?
spk14: We have made zero changes in promotional strategy. Okay.
spk01: Um, Some of it perhaps Rio coming out, I imagine, probably has some modest influence as well.
spk12: Correct.
spk01: Okay. All right. Thank you very much.
spk09: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Joe Greff from JPM.
spk19: Your question, please.
spk11: Good morning, guys, or good morning. Good afternoon, guys. sticking with Las Vegas here, you know, the Q has your table game drop is down 10% year over year and slot handle down about 7% year over year. Last year's numbers includes the Rio. What are those numbers excluding the Rio? I'm presuming there wasn't that much net revenue from Rio last year. It was like $55 million in the first quarter. What's driving those declines excluding the Rio? The slot handle was down
spk14: Slot handle was down 2%, Joe, net of the Rio. And table drop was down 7%. So net revenue was down 4.5%. The bulk of everything that flowed through the quarter was table hold related. And recall, last year's first quarter was ginormous.
spk11: Okay, great. And then you mentioned, you know, CapEx coming down. Obviously, the numbers we're talking about from an operating perspective would suggest, you know, attractive free cash flow generation the last three quarters of this year and through next year and earmarked presumably for debt pay down. Outside of deploying excess free cash flow, to debt pay down and EBITDA moving in the right direction to reduce your net leverage ratios. Can you talk about other potential avenues for you to reduce leverage?
spk14: Sure, Joe. We have a number of assets that produce very little or no cash flow that are non-core to the business, non-operating casinos. that could potentially be monetized at attractive rates where you wouldn't have to change your model much. And without getting too forward-looking, you shouldn't be surprised if some of those types of things start to happen in 2024 that are Leverage reduction is not limited to only free cash flow.
spk09: Great. Thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Brant Montour from Barclays.
spk19: Your question, please.
spk20: Hey, everybody. Good evening. Thanks for taking my question. And maybe over in regionals, looking at the margin performance that you guys reported in the 1Q, when I look at OPEX and back on OPEX, it looks like OPEX actually was pretty similar to the 1Q23 despite opening two properties. I'm curious if there were one-time savings in there from the January weather or anything else that we can kind of think about to try and think about your operating OPEX per day going forward.
spk14: I'm sorry, can you repeat that, Brian?
spk20: Sure. So your OPEX was flat in regionals year over year, right? X gaming taxes. Correct. Yeah, trying to figure out how you were able to keep costs so low, given you opened two properties since last year, and if maybe there were some savings in January from the poor weather or if there was anything else one time.
spk14: There was no positives coming out of the weather, so there were no savings there. I mean, you've known us long enough that we're constantly looking at how can we improve our margins. We're trying to not just be a cork in the ocean in terms of just being washed with where the economy goes. So we're always looking for efficiencies and that's a testament to our team who's been together a very long time, knowing we're in an environment that's generally inflationary. We're in both Vegas and Atlantic City where our biggest union exposure is dealing with increased costs, and we don't intend to just eat that. We intend to improve the business from an operating perspective become more efficient and deliver growth. And that's our expectation as we move forward.
spk20: Okay, great. That's helpful. And then just as a follow-up on digital, Tom, you gave digital X North Carolina. I was just curious if you could give us, or Eric, if you could give us the theoretical hold with the bumped-up parlay mix export outcomes in March and So we can kind of think about the new normal here going forward.
spk07: Yeah, we haven't disclosed our current structural hold, but we've set the target at 8.5%, and we're well on the way there. Tom had referenced the increase in the parlays, but on top of that, we also have increased of the people making parlays. They're making more legs, which has a compounding effect. And so we're very pleased with the progress we're making. And as we mentioned, absent those two large event outcomes, we would have seen even a larger increase year over year than what we did, what we were able to achieve.
spk19: Okay. Thanks, everyone.
spk09: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Stephen Wisinski from Stifel.
spk06: Your question, please. Hey, guys. Good afternoon. So, Tom, can you help me with some of the numbers that you listed out in your prepared remarks? I got somewhat confused, and that's not difficult to do. But, you know, I thought you said 75 million kind of total in terms of weather hold numbers. losses around North Carolina. But then I thought I heard you say Vegas was kind of tied to a $70 million hold the rest of the year. So just trying to reconcile what that makes sure I have that $75 million total impact, right? And then maybe how that broke down a little more between Vegas, regionals, digital.
spk14: Yeah, I told you the big ones, the three big ones, hold weather and North Carolina launch were more than $75 million. I mentioned other things like Adele moving that are smaller stuff that gets us to, if I'm looking at true non-one-time performance, I'm getting back to pretty close to even versus last year, which would include an increase in digital if you're losing the $20 million North Carolina loss an increase in regional, but Vegas is probably still a little short to the record first quarter last year.
spk06: Okay. That's perfect. That makes sense. And then, uh, you know, Tommy indicated, uh, you know, you guys will, we'll start to go on the offensive as, uh, or on offense as, as, as your cap X is reduced. Um, and you mentioned that, you know, that, that, that means you could look at external growth opportunities. So, uh, I guess the simple question is, what do you consider a growth opportunity these days?
spk14: I think the most attractive opportunity I have for free cash flow if I'm living in the current neighborhood is my own stock.
spk06: Okay, perfect. Thank you.
spk09: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Daniel Pulitzer from Wells Fargo.
spk13: Your question, please. Hey, good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for taking my question. I wanted to touch on Las Vegas a little bit on the non-gaming side. I know you mentioned that occupancy was up a couple hundred basis points year-over-year, but if we look at even the non-gaming revenues, even adjusting for Rio, it seems like it's lagging the market a bit. I mean, can you maybe zoom in a little bit there and give us colors at low end versus high end? I know there was disruptions during the quarter, but is there anything else, I guess, under the surface that we should just kind of be aware of?
spk14: Thanks. I don't have anybody else's numbers yet in terms of the quarter. Our hotel revenues are up. Our food and beverage revenue is up about 14%. I'll be surprised if that's lagging in the market.
spk13: That's ex-Rio, I assume?
spk14: Correct.
spk13: Okay, and then I guess for my follow-up, on the non-cash flow producing assets you mentioned, I mean, you've kind of pivoted to more of a floating rate structure on your capital in terms of your balance sheet. How do you think about where interest rates are and some of those assets? I mean, is Centaur... coming back into the mix as a potential option? Or when you talk about those non-cash flow producing assets, is it completely, is that in regionals, strip real estate, any incremental detail or clues would be helpful?
spk14: I'm not going to help you on the clues. I'll tell you Centaur would certainly not be described as a non-operating casino generating cash flow, so that's not part of it. But there's a lot of assets in this company that don't make it into your sum of the parts that have real value that we can realize. And you shouldn't be surprised if we start to put some of them on the board in 24.
spk13: Got it.
spk09: Thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Barry Jonas from Tua Securities.
spk19: Your question, please.
spk09: Hey, guys.
spk17: Why don't I dig a little more into what you're seeing with the consumer and the regionals in Vegas and maybe just touch on visitation as opposed to spend per visit trends? Thanks.
spk14: Yeah, look, I've tried to make clear all of our volume indicators were healthy in the quarters. Vegas number, obviously we lost Con Ag. We picked up Super Bowl. So you had a big group that didn't show up and a big group that wasn't part of last year. But you can see it in our hotel occupancy, our hotel revenue, our food and beverage. All of those numbers remain healthy. The fact that Regional X January would have grown year over year should tell you that the consumer that we see on balance continues to remain healthy and spending is robust.
spk17: Got it. Got it. And then just curious, what are your expectations today around Vici exercising its call option for Centaur?
spk14: I mean, you guys are closer to, you know, accretion dilution math for them. I suspect that's what ultimately makes the decision. You know, we are operating under the assumption that they intend to exercise, which is what they've told us in the past, but they've also said they won't do a diluted deal. And as I understand, it's pretty close as it sits here today.
spk17: Great.
spk09: Thanks, Paul. Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of David Katz from Jefferies.
spk19: Your question, please.
spk04: Hi, evening, everyone. Appreciate all the detail. I just wanted to drill down a little farther on the digital discussion. If I sort of start off with notionally 50 million and I work through the math, as I think you've laid it out, What it appears to imply is that the business grows, you know, to something just under $400 million of EBITDA. And is the inference that, you know, those deals that are rolling off are that significant, that they're, you know, that they're in the nine-figure neighborhood in terms of the cost that goes away? Or if you can sort of help me sort of dial in my mistake if I've made one.
spk14: The partnership roll-off is significant and material. I'm giving you we grow like the market grows. We're growing in excess of that. That's where I said we can argue about is 500 the full year of 25 or are we just short of it and we surpass it early in 26, I would say the jury is out there. The argument that we're not going to get to 500 million, the math does not support that at this point.
spk04: Understood. So there may be just a little bit more growth in the market in there and the timing of how that rolls in and the partnerships, etc. But the partnerships are are pretty, you know, pretty material. They're chunky.
spk14: Yeah, they are chunky and kind of roll off in that, the bulk of them in that 25 timeframe. But also note, again, whether that's full year of 25 or it's beginning of 26, it's a point in time and we're going to continue growing beyond that.
spk04: Understood. You know, 100 million is, you know, when 100 million is chunky, that's pretty good. Thank you. Appreciate it.
spk09: Thank you. One moment for our next question.
spk19: And our next question comes from the line of Stephen Grambling from Morgan Stanley. Your question, please.
spk16: Hey, thanks. You mentioned a few times that looking across, whether it's the regions or Vegas, your expectations, X1 timers are effectively consistent. But what KPIs are you watching to assess whether it makes sense to perhaps start playing defense as it relates to costs? And as a related follow-up, what are the biggest levers if things were to erode? And how should investors generally think about operating leverage? It seems like the market is back to worrying a little bit about the consumer here, and you've been able to be nimble in the past. Thanks.
spk14: Yeah, Stephen, I'd say we're always on defense on costs. And, you know, we are, you should presume in a quarter like this, you know, after the run that these businesses have had, that we would be going to our local and saying, show me how we can tighten further, either by generating more revenue or fewer costs so that it's EBITDA additive. I'm not in the habit of coming up with a pithy name for that type of program and laying out what those targets would be, but you should expect that we have initiatives in place that are well into nine figures that we would anticipate flowing through the business by the end of this year. And that's partly just that's what we do, but it's also, you know, we recognize that growth is going to be not as easy to come by in the brick and mortar way as it's been coming out of COVID, and we intend to continue to grow. So you should expect that's ongoing. I don't have a good acronym for it, but expect that you're going to see that flowing through in the coming quarters.
spk16: Got it. And maybe just to not put words in your mouth, but to make sure this is clear, I guess to If things were to erode, you're already taking action, so you would help mitigate any kind of operating deleverage. But on the flip side of things, reaccelerate, we could actually anticipate greater flow through.
spk12: Correct.
spk16: Awesome. That's it for me.
spk09: Thank you.
spk19: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes to the line of Sean Kelly from Bank of America. Your question, please.
spk10: Hi, good afternoon everyone. I want to just dig in on or go back to digital for a second. Some of the numbers given in the prepared remarks on both OSP growth and iGaming are obviously super compelling. they don't totally tie out some of the disclosures in the 10-Q. I think some of this has to do with what you're seeing in maybe the brick-and-mortar side of the sportsbook business or maybe the way that some of that played through with Super Bowl. Could you help us square some of those? Because, again, I think some of the sports betting numbers in particular that were quoted on the OSB side were up very, very strongly, but we see in the disclosure at least actual volumes on sports betting handle were slightly down. So could you help us with that a little bit?
spk14: So you've got North Carolina as a piece of it. But yes, retail sports was negative from a hold perspective in the quarter, and that hit revenue and flows through. That's where your most acute flow through of both Super Bowl and March Madness hit.
spk10: And Tom, just to clarify, but to retail sportsbook hold was actually negative for the entire quarter?
spk14: No, it was down materially from last year's first quarter.
spk10: Okay. Okay. That's helpful. And then, look, I know this one may be a little bit of a dead horse, but just to go back to the Las Vegas I mean, I think the bottom line here, Tom, is when you see the numbers that you see strip out or adjust for, you know, the Rio, it really sounds like you don't believe there's much of a volume or a consumer, you know, challenge or change here, you know, at the margin. I just kind of wanted to, A, double check that, and, B, just get your thoughts on kind of broader market share because it does feel like what we see just mostly through industry statistics is, Is share gains particularly consolidating at the top end or some of the luxury and more Baccarat-focused properties on the market? How are you adjusting or moving around the portfolio to compete or to hold share in this environment today?
spk14: Look, I'm looking at EBITDA. I'm not looking at GGR share. That's what you move with promo. Our International business was as high as it's been since going back to 19. In the quarter, our VVIP volumes were quite strong. We didn't hold. If you look at, is it March has been reported already? Somebody is going to tell you they held because it wasn't us. And, you know, Baccarat held in the quarter or in the month. So, We're really not seeing much in the way of share shifts that we need to respond to. If you look at the quarter, I would say January didn't feel great on a year-over-year basis. February and March did feel great, and the net result was volumes ended up about the same for the quarter against the biggest first quarter we've ever had. So I suspect when you hear others, you might hear January didn't start that great, but that was very short-lived, and February and March got much better.
spk10: Thanks for the extra detail. Appreciate it.
spk19: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of John Decrete from CBRE. Your question, please.
spk03: Good afternoon, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. Maybe two. The first one, back on Las Vegas. I'm not sure if I missed it in prepared remarks, if we already touched on it. I apologize. But I know you, Tom, gave some color on 2Q, but I'm curious if you guys have any stats in front of you about the balance of the year beyond that perhaps where you have some visibility in vegas like group bookings or or mix group pacing or rate pacing just give us a sense of of what the back half might look like john same comments on group and convention as we talked about on the last call for the year we would expect group and convention to be up in 24 versus 23. that segment set records in 2022 and 2023
spk18: In the first quarter, we were down a little bit as a percentage of occupied room nights. We were 19% this year versus 21% last due to ConAg. But the pace for the remaining quarters, 2Q, 3Q, and 4Q looks very good.
spk03: Great. Thanks, Brian. And Tom, maybe one for you on external use of capital. I think your response to a prior question is pretty clear about where you see the stock. But given the kind of explosive growth we've seen in costs, across the industry in the U.S. and your team's track record of operating efficiency, does domestic M&A as a way of perhaps finding more EBITDA growth than your peers, are there opportunities in the domestic market that might look interesting given your abilities and your team's abilities relative to the cost growth that we've seen?
spk14: The short answer, John, is yes, we think there are. but those that make a difference in terms of talking about, in terms of scale, would require equity as a piece of a transaction. And in the current neighborhood, I'm certainly not a seller of my equity for any reason.
spk03: Makes sense, Tom. I appreciate that.
spk09: Thanks, guys. Thank you. One moment for our next question.
spk19: And our next question comes from the line of Chad Bain and from Macquarie. Your question, please.
spk05: Afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. On the digital side, can you just remind us or kind of help us think about what's additive versus cannibalization after you launch your casino brand? And could this just be kind of a step forward for another thing? How many brands do you think make the most sense in your consumer data? Thanks.
spk14: Well, ultimately, you're limited by how many skins that you have. So you saw the transaction that we did with Wynn in Michigan that allows us hopefully before too long to have another skin in that state. So we have two available in each iCasino jurisdiction, and that should allow us to launch a second brand. And then we'll, you know, obviously we'll see what happens after that and where we can get to from a skin perspective. It's different by state, but we have enough at this point to launch in every iCasino state.
spk05: Thank you. And then coming back to margins, I know before you've said in some of the markets you need to grow revs, I believe, 5% to hold margins. Does that broad statement hold true, or could you grow slightly lower than that and still keep margins flat on a year-over-year basis?
spk14: I'd say yes to slightly lower, but I'd use 5% as a target.
spk05: Okay. Thank you very much. Appreciate it.
spk19: Thank you. One moment for our next question. And our next question comes from the line of Daniel Guglielmo from Capital One Securities. Your question, please.
spk02: Hello, everyone. Thank you for taking my question. The Haras in Pampana has continued to perform well after the expansion and rebrand. Outside of the current pipeline, do you all have any similar near-term projects for properties that may be dealing with some of the competitive pressures that were mentioned in the opening remarks?
spk14: So the only place we have a similar undeveloped real estate piece is Scioto Downs in Columbus, which could be a longer-term opportunity, but that Pompano development has been, what, five-plus years in the making at this point? Slow developing, but it's gratifying to see what it's doing for both revenue and EBITDA at that property.
spk02: Okay, appreciate that. And then just around expenses, so the negotiations and the expense accruals have been pushed through and the contracts give some predictability for the next few years, but are there any surprises or dynamics you all are thinking through on the expense side this year into 2025?
spk14: No, not really, other than what I've discussed in terms of opportunities on both revenues and expenses that we are targeting based on the list we put together at the beginning of the year. There's nothing, you know, it's a lot of small stuff that adds up to a big number that we need to go block and tackle, and that's what we intend to do.
spk02: Okay, I appreciate it. Thank you.
spk19: Thank you. And due to time constraints, this does conclude the question and answer session of today's program. I'd like to hand the program back to Tom Rigg for any further remarks.
spk14: Thanks, everybody. We'll talk to you next time.
spk19: Thank you, ladies and gentlemen, for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect. Good day.
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