8/7/2025

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

On the infrastructure side, we continued investing in backend improvements aimed at strengthening the usability and security of our platform. This quarter, improvements to our desktop sync engine reduced startup times for large accounts, and we continue to drive higher adoption of important security features like multi-factor authentication with new prompts and Teams admin controls. Within the individual's business, we continue to see good traction with our simple plan, which is our low-price entry-level plan designed for mobile-first customers. Across our document workflow business, we continue to invest in DocSend, and we've improved document upload flows, processing speeds, and simplified sharing and permissions. These improvements are resonating with customers as DocSend continues to grow at a double-digit pace year over year. As mentioned previously, we remain focused on operating both sign and form switch for maximum profitability, and both of these business lines continue to perform well against its objective. In closing, we're pleased with the progress we've made on our two key objectives in the first half of this year. Our Dash offering continues to improve, and we're seeing positive early signals with key engagement metrics. While we continue to optimize our outbound sales motion and improve our onboarding flows, we have a strong roadmap in place to unlock product-led adoption of Dash that will accelerate the adoption among our customers. I'll now turn the call over to Tim to share a recap of our second quarter financial performance as well as our updated flow year outlook.

speaker
Investor Relations
Director of Investor Relations

Thank you, Drew.

speaker
Tim
Chief Financial Officer

I'll cover our financial highlights from Q2 and then provide guidance for the third quarter and the full year 2025. We executed well in the quarter, with results coming in ahead of guidance and operating margin meaningfully exceeding our expectations. This performance reflects our continued commitment to driving efficiency within our core file sync and share and document workflow business, as well as the stability of the core business, which gives us the opportunity to invest in future growth opportunities. With that context in mind, let's turn to our Q2 financial performance. Starting with revenue, where we are managing through expected -over-year revenue headwinds related to our strategic decisions to scale back our form-swept business and to reduce the number of outbound sellers supporting our revenue. This is the first quarter of our core file sync and share business. In Q2, total revenue declined .4% -over-year to $626 million. Constant currency revenue declined .3% -over-year to $626 million. Excluding the impact of form-swept, which acted as a 140 basis point headwind to revenue, our -over-year revenue growth would have been flat. Total ARR was $2.542 billion, down .2% -over-year, and .1% on a constant currency basis. Form-swept acted as a 160 basis point headwind to ARR in the quarter. We exited the quarter with 18.13 million paying users, a sequential decline of approximately 34,000 paying users. This quarter's decline in paying users was primarily driven by our reduced level of investment in form-swept. Excluding the impact of form-swept, paying users would have grown nominally in the quarter. The outperformance relative to our paying user expectations was primarily driven by our individual SKUs aided by retention gains stemming from improvements to our cancellation flows. Our simple plan also contributed modestly. Average revenue per paying user was $138.32, as compared to $139.26 in the prior quarter. ARR approved decline sequentially, primarily due to the impact of form-swept, as well as the continued rollout of our simple plan. Before we continue with further discussion of our P&L, I would like to note that unless otherwise indicated, all income statement figures mentioned are non-GAAP and exclude stock-based compensation, amortization of purchase intangibles, certain acquisition-related expenses, net gains and losses on our real estate assets, workforce reduction expenses, and net losses on equity investments. Our non-GAAP net income also includes the income tax effect of the aforementioned adjustments.

speaker
Investor Relations
Director of Investor Relations

Gross margin

speaker
Tim
Chief Financial Officer

was .2% for the quarter, down 230 basis points from the year-ago period, as we continue to support our data center refresh cycle. Operating margin was 41.5%. Ahead of our guidance of .5% and up roughly 560 basis points from the year-ago period. Operating margin increased -over-year largely due to our headcount reduction from our RIF last fall and lower marketing spend, following the strategic shift away from form-swept. Compared to our guidance, operating margin benefited primarily from a disciplined approach to hiring, as well as targeted reductions in performance marketing within our core business as we continue to find ways to drive efficiencies within our business. Net income for the second quarter was $198 million, up 2% -over-year. Deluded EPS for the second quarter was 71 cents, based on 277 million diluted weighted average shares outstanding, compared to 60 cents in the year-ago quarter, representing an 18% -over-year increase. Moving on to our cash flow and balance sheet, cash flow from operations was $261 million, an increase of 13% versus the year-ago period. Q2 also included $18 million of interest payments, net of the associated tax benefit, related to amounts drawn under our term loan facility. Capital expenditures were $2 million in the quarter, resulting in an unlevered free cash flow of $276 million, or $1 per share. In the quarter, we also added $25 million to our finance leases for data center equipment, as we continued to invest in refreshing our data centers. We ended the quarter with cash and short-term investments of $955 million. In the second quarter, we repurchased approximately 14 million shares, spending approximately $400 million. As of the end of the second quarter, we had approximately $470 million remaining under existing share repurchase authorization. I'll now offer our updated outlook for Q3. And the full year 2025. For the third quarter of 2025, we expect revenue to be in the range of $622 to $625 million. We are expecting a currency tailwind of approximately $3 million. On a constant currency revenue basis, we expect revenue to be in the range of $619 to $622 million. We expect FormSwift to serve as a roughly 170 basis point headwind to revenue in the third quarter. We expect our non-GAAP operating margin to be approximately 37%. Finally, we expect diluted weighted average shares outstanding to be in the range of 269 to 274 million shares, based on our 30-day trailing average share price. For the full year 2025, we are raising the midpoint of our as reported revenue guidance range by $12.5 million. Now expecting a range of 2.490 to 2.500 billion. We are also raising the midpoint of our constant currency revenue guidance by $2.5 million. Now expecting a range of 2.488 to 2.498 billion. We continue to expect FormSwift to serve as a roughly 150 basis point headwind to revenue this year. Our gross margin outlook is unchanged at approximately 82%. We are raising our outlook for non-GAAP operating margin by 50 basis points from the high end of our previously provided range, where we now expect full year operating margin to be approximately 39%. We are raising unlevered free cash flow to be at or above $970 million. We also now expect cash interest expense net of tax benefits of approximately $85 million down from $90 million. We are also maintaining our capex guidance to be in the range of $25 to $30 million for the full year in addition to finance lease lines to be approximately 6% of revenue. Finally, we continue to expect diluted weighted average shares of $2.5 million to be in the range of $276 to $281 million. I'll now share some additional perspective on this guidance for 2025. With respect to revenue, we are raising our guidance range as we flow through the benefit of recent FX tailwinds and as we are seeing some positive momentum across our core business, particularly across our retention efforts. Turning to paying users, we continue to anticipate a decline of approximately .5% or about 300,000 users for the full year with the remaining decline to be fairly balanced between Q3 and Q4. We continue to expect that ForumSwift will represent roughly half the paying user decline this year, where these plans also carry a higher average selling price and thus this decline will also introduce some pressure to our ARPU trends. The remainder largely represents expected near-term down sells across our managed sales motion. Moving on to operating margins, we are raising our full year guidance by 50 basis points above the high end of our previously provided range, which largely reflects our outperformance thus far this year as we remain disciplined with our hiring and continue to find ways to optimize our marketing spend. We do, however, expect to invest further behind Dash as well as higher open roles in the second half of the year. We are also maintaining our full year CAPEX and finance lease guidance. We expect cash CAPEX to ramp in the back half of the year to support certain facility restoration costs and data center build-out. Regarding free cash flow, we are raising our unlevered free cash flow guidance roughly in line with the increased operating margin, largely reflecting our latest outlook on FX in the aforementioned cost savings. Our updated outlook also includes a modest expected benefit in the second half from lower cash taxes related to the one big, beautiful bill. Turning to WASO, our latest WASO guidance assumes we exhaust our existing share repurchase program by the end of the year.

speaker
Investor Relations
Director of Investor Relations

In conclusion,

speaker
Tim
Chief Financial Officer

we are executing well against our plans for the year. We are generating higher levels of efficiency across our core files that could share business, as well as our document workflow businesses, and we are seeing stability across our core business despite reductions in headcount and marketing spend. We've also reduced our share count substantially, thus putting ourselves in a position to drive a meaningful increase in free cash flow per share this year. And we are making progress on both our product and -to-market efforts for Dash. We look forward to sharing further updates on our progress in future quarters. And with that, operator, please open the line for questions.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. At this time, we'll conduct the question and answer session. As a reminder to ask a question, you'll need to press star 1-1 on your telephone and wait for your name to be announced. To withdraw your question, please press star 1-1 again. Please submit yourself to one question and a follow-up. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster. And our first question comes in line of Mark Murphy of JPMorgan. Your line is now open.

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Jayden Patel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Great, thank you. This is Jayden Patel on from Mark Murphy. I appreciate you taking the questions. You talked about Dash having a positive early signals, with key engagement metrics. Can you discuss qualitatively some of the retention or even downgrade prevention list you've observed among early Dash adopters

speaker
Investor Relations
Director of Investor Relations

versus existing cohorts? Speaker, your mute is on mic. Your mic is on mute, speaker. Let me know if it's coming on.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

It's still not in clear.

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

Okay, we're good. All right, sorry about that. Not sure what happened, but we're good now. So with Dash, I mean, the first thing we've, or talking about momentum we're seeing with customers and just early adoption, I mean, our first focus is building a great product experience and product quality. And so things like our launch in April, we're really proud of what we launched in April with things like image and media search. We really think that breaks new ground in our category. And we're seeing good engagement, double digit engagement or double digit percent of users engaging with image and media search. And then we look at a number of onboarding metrics, as you can imagine, like getting the percentage of licenses provisioned up, making sure that people are having a good first experience with the product, making sure that week two, week three, week four retention is healthy and we've made big progress in each of those areas. And so those are some of the leading indicators we look at just to make sure that we're retaining new customers as we turn on the faucet for user growth and attaching to the Dropbox base.

speaker
Jayden Patel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Got

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

it,

speaker
Jayden Patel
Analyst, JPMorgan

and then can you talk a bit about the cancellation flow? What sort of uplift or improvement did you see due to this change?

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

Sure, I think it's an example. We're looking at across the funnel at different sources of regretted or of voluntary and involuntary churn. And we saw that there's a number, this is sort of a lot, we're stacking up a lot of small wins, but an illustrative example might be, or is in the cancellation flow, as we better articulate the value that we're providing with Dropbox or like all the things that are in your Dropbox, often we find that customers might not be fully aware of how deeply they're using the product or the value they're getting, and so better messaging around that we've shown to be a creative. So lots of things like that, and then as you'd imagine, things like billing optimizations and other things that are done in voluntary churn are examples of the kinds of things that we've been tightening up.

speaker
Jayden Patel
Analyst, JPMorgan

Great, thank you for taking the questions.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Yep. Thank you, one moment for our next question. And our next question comes from a line of Steven Enders of Citi, your line is now open.

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Palak
Analyst, Citi

Hi, this is Palak for Steven Enders. Thank you for taking the questions. So my first question was, I think you had much better churn than expected for the second quarter in a row, yet you maintained the 300,000 guide. So is forms of declining at a slower pace than was expected or what is going well which is contributing to improve churn in the first half?

speaker
Tim
Chief Financial Officer

Sure, with respect to paying users, yes, we do continue to anticipate a decline of about one and a half percent or about 300,000 users for the full year, expect that to be fairly balanced between Q3 and Q4 and continue to expect that forms with or represent roughly half of that decline. Forms with performing well so far in the year but still expect the same, roughly half of that 300,000 impact from forms with for this year. And then the remainder largely represents expected near term down sells across our managed sales motion. And then as far as churn, Drew just touched on a lot of factors that the teams focused on, seeing some positive momentum on that front and that's part of why we're able to raise our guidance for the full year is seeing some strong performance as far as the team working on retention. So good signals on churn and pleased to see that flow through the results.

speaker
Palak
Analyst, Citi

Perfect, thank you. And the next question is on Dash. So just curious, like you mentioned the sales motion and what would be the timeframe for the sales motion this year and what are the key areas of investment you're looking at in Dash going forward and what would be the monetization expectations for next year?

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

Sure, so for Dash we are, we plan to have a lot of we plan to launch a self-serve version of Dash. So basically a version anyone can download and start using similar to what we did with Dropbox 1.0. And we believe that's gonna unlock both the large population in general and then also unlock the Dropbox self-serve base. Cause if you look at it or if you think about it, we've got half a million business accounts, self-serve business accounts on Dropbox and to best drive adoption of Dash, we need a self-serve version of the product. So that's a big area of focus for us for the second half of the year. And then second is integrating Dash into the Dropbox FSS experience. And so you can think of Dash as both a standalone product that allows us to reach a new audience of people beyond our file syncing audience. And it's also the AI layer across Dropbox FSS for our existing customers. And so to that end, we expect that, you heard the way we're, our plan is to have Dash be something that you add on top of FSS to be able to get AI or be able to interact in natural language with your files. We'll have a lot more share on the specifics of that and specifics of pricing and packaging but how we monetize Dash overall is for non-FSS users, it'll be a separate product and separate subscription. And then we'll have different packages for people who are existing FSS customers to also adopt Dash. And as you'd imagine, we'll be experimenting and iterating on pricing and packaging specifically and different bundling and discount approaches.

speaker
Tim
Chief Financial Officer

Just to also briefly add on, as far as the monetization expectations, I'd say our guidance certainly reflects our expectations and incorporates this self-serve rollout. I do think it will take time before Dash contributes meaningfully to our revenue growth given the size of our ARR base. And so again, refer to our guidance for our expectations for this year.

speaker
Palak
Analyst, Citi

Okay, thank you so

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

much. Thank you, one moment for our next question. In our next question, comes from Patrick. While reverend citizen, your line is now open.

speaker
Nick
Analyst (on behalf of Pat)

Hi guys, thank you for taking the question. This is Nick on for Pat, just one for me. We've seen Slack and others tighten API access, really limiting third-party indexing and message history. Has Dash been affected by these changes and how are you navigating this environment of limitation?

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

Yep, so yeah, for color, as you said, Slack's been changing some of their APIs or sunsetting certain integrations, creating other ones. And so that forces all their partners to adapt to the new APIs. And so we've certainly been doing that. And importantly, we still have access to Slack and a good partnership with them. And so we're still able to provide that access and provide the basic value of the product. I mean, some things around the edges might be a little bit more onerous from a technical perspective or results might not be as exhaustive as we'd like. But I think that one world that would be concerning is if partners, or if we're in a world where partners were cutting off API access, we don't see that as likely. And mainly because customers, as you'd imagine, they put their data into these services and a service that locks out these integrations. I mean, that's a pretty customer hostile thing to do. So I think it's like a difficult stance for a company to take in the long run. We know different companies are gonna play with different different knobs and dials with access. But we feel good both from a business and partnership standpoint, because Dropbox also has a lot of content that integrations with other services. And so we provide value to folks that integrate with us. So there's a good kind of business foundation there. And then there are also technical measures that you can take to improve coverage and ultimately give customers access to their data, regardless of what services it's in. And actually to that end, our ability to integrate more deeply and leverage some of these technical measures could be a competitive advantage for Dash. So we feel good about the trajectory of supporting Slack, although yeah, it's been a winding road.

speaker
Nick
Analyst (on behalf of Pat)

Got

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

it. Thank you very much.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you. One moment for our next question. Again, as a reminder to ask a question, you'll need to press star one one on your telephone. And our next question comes from a line of Matt Bullock of Bank of America. Your line is now open.

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Matt Bullock
Analyst, Bank of America

Great. Hi, thanks. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask about the strategy going forward for attacking the free base of 700 million plus registered users. I know over the years, you've pushed a little bit harder on converting those users, but maybe help us think about the strategy going forward, if there's potential to accelerate or maybe be a little bit harsher on creating some more prepay conversion. Thanks. And then I have one follow-up.

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

Yep. So we're tackling this in a number of directions. I think the most important is providing, is continuing to provide more and more value so that people get a lot of value and then they pay for that value. So Dash is a good example of providing a lot of, providing a lot of new value to our free, to our existing free users beyond files, right? Cause all of those free users have cloud content as well and are a good fit for Dash. And then since the beginning, our free users are sort of the top of the funnel for our eventual paid users. Virtually every subscriber started out as a free user in some form. So it's just the free users are an important part of the engine. That said, there's tons of optimizations we continue to do. So I mentioned, for example, we launched a Dropbox Simple plan targeted at our mobile only customers where we were able to provide an entry point. That's more affordable to folks who are more price sensitive without cannibalizing the rest of our base. And so that's a way to capture some of the demand that otherwise would be unwilling or unable to subscribe to a higher price plan. And then there's, to your point, as you're alluding to, we've had success with just getting the balance of the value, the free value we provide and making sure that's in balance with the premium, subscriber value that we provide over the years we've put in different, we've phased in different things like device limits for free users so that extremely engaged users aren't getting too much value for free. And we continue to iterate on all aspects of pricing and packaging to get, to improve the balance of like, we wanna drive adoption and broad adoption. And it's a big advantage that we have this free top of funnel, but we obviously don't wanna either under monetize or over monetize at the expense of one lever or the other. Super

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Matt Bullock
Analyst, Bank of America

helpful, Drew, thanks. And then just one quick follow up on Dash. Obviously in the self-serve launch coming later this year, how should we be thinking about metrics and disclosures around Dash? How are you, we know how you're evaluating it internally, but how should we be thinking about modeling or even evaluating key metrics like users, et cetera?

speaker
Drew Houston
Co-Founder & CEO

Sure, yeah, as we mature, as we get further along the life cycle, we'll obviously have more to share in principle. And we start with just the quality of the experience, as I said, then we focus on onboarding success. Then we make sure the experience is retentive, that people are expanding, that re-viral loops are working, that monetization's working, that paid retention's working. And we don't focus on them completely in series, but that's sort of the general path. Sometimes it's noisy. So as we open up to a large new audience and some of those, there's fluctuation in those metrics. But as soon as, but we'll certainly provide more color on these, on the different funnel metrics as we get more signal, as we scale it up. Super helpful, thanks Drew.

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Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you, I'm showing no further questions at this time. I'll now turn it back to Peter for closing remarks.

speaker
Tim
Chief Financial Officer

Thank you everyone for joining us today. We look forward to speaking with you next quarter. Have a great afternoon.

speaker
Operator
Conference Operator

Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This is us conclude the program. You may now disconnect.

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