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spk10: Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the Dolce Vos 2023 third quarter earnings call. All participants are currently in a lesson-only mode. We will open the lines for question and answer session for analysts following the presentation. Instructions will be provided at that time for research analysts to ask questions. We ask that analysts please limit themselves to two questions and return to the queue for any follow-ups. I would now like to turn the call over to Docebo, Vice President of Investor Relations, Mike McCarthy. Please go ahead, Mike.
spk07: Thank you, Operator. Before we begin, Docebo would like to remind listeners that certain information discussed today may be forward-looking in nature. Such forward-looking information reflects the company's current views with respect to future events. Any such information is subject to risks, uncertainties, and assumptions that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projected in the forward-looking statements. For more information on the risks, uncertainties, and assumptions relating to forward-looking statements, please refer to Docebo's public filings, which are available on CDAR Plus and EDGAR. During the call, we will reference certain non-IFRS financial measures. Although we believe these measures provide useful supplemental information about our financial performance, they are not recognized measures and do not have standardized meanings under IFRS. Please see our MD&A for additional information regarding our non-IFRS financial including reconciliations to the nearest IFRS measures. Please note that unless otherwise stated, all references to any financial figures are in U.S. dollars. Now, I'd like to turn the call over to DeXebo's CEO, Claudio Erba. Claudio?
spk06: Hello, everybody, and thank you for joining us for our third quarter earning call. With me today are Alessio Tuffo, our president and COO, and Sukhara Mehta, our CFO. I will begin our call this morning with a short summary of our Q3 results and business update. We are pleased to report that subscription revenue increased by 27 percent, and total revenues grew by 26 percent in September's quarter, with the total revenues exceeding the upper end of our guidance range. Net ARR added during the quarter was 10.1 million after adjusting for the impact of foreign exchange. ARR growth was solid, reflecting our strengthening horizontal go-to-market motion across the enterprise segment as well as the government vertical. Docebo continued to demonstrate a profitable high-growth business with adjusted BDA exceeding our guidance. We delivered an adjusted BDA margin of 9.7% as well as a solid pre-cash flow of 18% of revenue during the quarter. In general, global macroeconomic trends have remained consistent through the year, with larger, more complex deals still taking time to finalize. But we did not see any noticeable deterioration, and our pipeline in the enterprise segment remains strong. SMB customers continue to be cautious. Geographically, the US was a more active market compared to Europe, which was seasonably slower during Q3. After three years in a totally virtual format, we hosted a record number of participants at our annual customer conference, Decebo Inspire, in Nashville. It was exciting to see this community of current and potential new customers bring with them their enthusiasm for learning and their interest in the Decebo platform. During this year's event, we announced four new platform updates that included Decebo for Microsoft Teams, Decebo Community Hub, Docevo Learning Sites, and the preview of Docevo Shape 2.0. Docevo for Microsoft Teams enables learning in the flow of work. It helps to streamline learning, communication, and collaboration by eliminating the need for separate platforms while saving time and ensuring a productive experience for the learner. Customizable dashboards with Teams can be personalized for different internal and external use cases, driving higher adoption. The table community is an extension of our platform designed to allow customer to create community of knowledgeable champions. If purpose is to facilitate knowledge sharing and collaboration and engagement, and then power our customer to expand their internal and external learning programs through connections. was led by the peer-to-team which we have acquired in the first half of 2023. It showcases our efficient M&A strategy, illustrating the table's quick integration and utilization of newly acquired technology and engineers. As our platform expands in depth and in breadth, we are collecting an increasing amount of data about learners and the outcome of our customer training programs. With the launch of the table learning site, powered in partnership with QuickSight from Amazon Web Services, we are helping our customers utilize this data efficiently within their Learn elements. By simplifying the creation of custom data boards and providing relevant reports, we are empowering our customers to track the impact of their training programs more effectively. Finally, as some of you have seen at Docebo Inspire, DeceboShape will fundamentally change how training material is created and consumed. We announced a number of features that we will start rolling out in 2024. Two features that I'm particularly excited about are virtual role play and AI panel features. InShape users can create a role play scenario with an AI virtual agent. These allow learners to practice specific conversation skills. Initially, we have focused on the sales enablement use case, creating a virtual role-play AI brain that helps the sales reps practice their sales pitch, but we see multiple use case application that will incorporate in our product roadmap. Moreover, with shape AI panel, customers have full control over how their proprietary data is used and shared among their learners. Now, to capital allocation. Our balance sheet strength and financial profile enables Docebo to invest in innovation and gain further ground while competitors are consolidating and cutting costs. Our capital allocation strategy remains unchanged and is focused on two years, selective M&A and the efficient return of capital to our shareholders. In conclusion, despite facing macroeconomic and global political challenges, Our priority is to provide innovative and efficient solutions for our customer. Our customer view, both external and internal learning, is crucial in this environment. We continue to strive to deliver cutting-edge innovation to our customer with the goal of providing quality, profitable growth for our shareholders. Now, I would like to turn the call to over Alessio, who will give you an operational update.
spk12: Thank you, Claudio, and good morning, everyone. Let me first go over some of our key KPIs this quarter. Company-wide average contract value increased 11% to $49,400 from around $44,600 in quarter three of last year. ACV for new customers in the quarter was about $70,500 compared to 61,000 in the June period. Enterprise customers with deal values over $100,000 in ARR, accounting for approximately 55% of gross ARR generated in the third quarter. 41% of these new customers have chosen Docebo for three or more use cases. Again, highlighting the real impact of our platform, as well as our ability to meet the complex needs of our customers. External and hybrid use cases make up more than half of our pipelines. Expanding our reach into these enterprise customers is also enabled by our growing partnerships with large system integrators, where a strategic part of both enterprise and government contract wins during quarter three. From a customer retention perspective, growth and net retention KPIs held relatively flat from quarter two. In terms of customer acquisition cost, CAC, and sales efficiency, we achieved significant improvements in our quarter three results. Sales and marketing accounted for 34.9% of total revenue, a decrease from 37.8% in the previous quarter. These improvements are a result of specific actions taken earlier this year, which focused on enhancing the effectiveness of our enterprise go-to-market strategy and optimizing the design of our global sales organization. These actions include, number one, significant improvements in our demand generation results in the enterprise segment through business development and account-based management . However, there is still plenty of room for further improvement in other areas. Secondly, we're benefiting from the successful implementation of our data and overall go-to-market systems, including but not limited to our updated CRM, Salesforce. These systems were introduced at the start of the year and enable our team to access actionable data faster, increasing productivity, and reinforcing customer-centric organizations. Finally, we're strengthening our relationship with system integrators, strategic technology companies, and OEMs. These partners significantly broaden our reach to the largest and most demanding enterprise worldwide across various use cases. Now, I would like to highlight this with a few new customer wins, upsells and cross-sells. The most significant win of the quarter was a substantial deal we finalized and reported to you in August. Together with a large system integrator, we secured the contract of a top five U.S.-based global technology leader. This deal allows us to support the diverse use case needs, including providing training for advanced external audience. Other notable large enterprise wins included Enterprise Holdings, a leading provider of mobility solutions, including car rental, fleet management, car sharing, van pooling, truck rental, luxury rental, retail car sales, and vehicle subscription, as well as travel management and other transportation technology services and solutions. Enterprise selected Decebo for their onboarding, compliance, and professional development learning requirements. Founded in 1924, Milwaukee, too, a global leader in providing innovative solutions to professional construction trades to improve productivity and safety, decided to partner with Acebo for multiple use cases. Leveraging our leadership in the quick-serve restaurant vertical, we signed Bojangles, a North Carolina-born restaurant chain known for its scratch-made southern food served at approximately 800 locations. They selected Docebo for franchisee and internal use case trading. And in Europe, we signed CISO, one of the leading international operators in the regulated gaming sector. Active in Italy, Morocco, and Turkey, they have an offering that includes lotteries, betting, online games, and amusement machines. They selected the Docebo learning platform to address the external use cases of retail and franchisee learning and for a number of internal use cases. During the quarter, we had several significant upsells. One notable customer is AWS, where we expanded our relationship as they increased their use of our products and services. Additionally, we cross-sold into AWS Engineering, marking a new department win for the channel. As we called out during our investor session at Inspire, we expanded our four pillars of growth to five, when we started to focus on the public sector and began the process to achieve the FedRAMP certification. As a reminder, those four pillars include external use case and the continuous greenfield opportunity where Docebo is the leader, expanding our presence in large enterprise customers as demonstrated by the wins highlighted in the quarter, upselling and cross-selling into our install base, land and expense, and finally, expanding our partnership with OEMs and system integrators. On FedRAMP certification, the project is on track. As indicated before, we expect this to be completed in 2024, which will enable us to participate in more federal and state-level opportunities where this is a requirement. From a government business development standpoint, our work with a big four system integrator and our preferred distributor, Kerasoft, continues to help us build a very healthy funnel ahead of achieving FedRAMP certification. across both SLED and FED. We have closed or extended deals in several different U.S. states during the quarter. One such deal was with the U.S. Department of Energy for one of 17 national research labs that they manage, with more than 5,700 researchers and support staff focused on innovations in nuclear research, renewable energy systems and security solutions, This national lab is using Decebo for external and internal use cases. Now, to OEMs. We were extremely pleased with the contribution from our OEM partners, Ceridian and MHR, during the quarter. With the signing of Darwin Box last quarter, our OEM alliances represent another strategic channel into both the enterprise segment and new geographies, representing yet another way for us to leverage multiple growth pillars simultaneously. We also signed a global OEM alliance with a big four system integrator in quarter two, Ernest and Young, EY. They are white labeling the CHEVO as the underlying technology used to address their customers and workforces upskilling and reskilling requirements. In conclusion, while navigating the challenging macroeconomic landscape, our commitment remains on being focused on driving growth, but doing so with efficient execution. creating value for our customers, diligent performance management, and overall optimization of every single operational area in our control. In short, by applying discipline in our execution and focusing on customer needs, we're confident in our ability to continue to drive sustainable long-term growth. With that, I would like to hand the call over to Socorro.
spk04: Thank you, Alessio, and good morning, everyone. For those interested, a detailed breakdown of our financial results for the three and nine months ended September 30th, 2023 can be found in our press release, MD&A, and financial statements, which are now available on our website and are also filed on CEDAR and EDGAR. Total revenue for the third quarter grew to $46.5 million, an increase of 26% from the prior year, and exceeded our guided range. Subscription revenues were $43.6 million, representing 94% of total revenue for the quarter and an increase of 27% from the prior year. Annual recurring revenue added during the quarter was $10.1 million after adjusting for the negative impact of $1.2 million given the strengthening of the U.S. dollar relative to foreign currencies. ARR at the close of Q3 was $181.8 million, an increase of 26%. We added 88 net new customers in Q3 and ended the quarter with a total of 3,679 customers, an increase of 13% year over year. Average contract value was approximately 49,000 for the third quarter, an increase from 48,000 in the second quarter of 2023, and an increase of 11% year over year. The growth in average contract value is being driven by our continued expansion into the enterprise customer segment with ACV of $100,000 and above. Growth profit margin for the third quarter improved by 40 basis points year-over-year to 81.1% of revenue and was relatively consistent with the prior quarter. Total operating expenses for the third quarter increased to $34.6 million from $20.8 million in the prior year period. During the third quarter, we recorded $1.6 million in one-time costs mainly related to the acquisition-related earnouts that are excluded from our adjusted EBITDA calculation. Our restructuring activities were completed during the quarter. GNA as a percentage of revenue decreased to 17.9% for the third quarter compared to 21.4% for the second quarter of 2023. Adjusted for the transaction-related expenses, GNA represented 17.2% of revenue. Sales and marketing expense as a percentage of revenue was 34.9% for the third quarter compared to 37.8% for the second quarter. Given our investments made in IT systems, restructuring activities, and reduced seller attrition, we have seen an increase in productivity per headcount resulting in improved CAC and sales and marketing as a percentage of revenues. That being said, we will continue to incrementally invest in areas to drive growth, such as the enterprise and government vertical. R&D investments in the third quarter were 10.3 million or 22.1% of revenue, an increase of 8.8 million for the second quarter. R&D expense included 1.3 million of the previously mentioned one-time costs, and excluding these costs, R&D represented 19.4% of total revenue. Adjusted EBITDA performance of $4.5 million for the third quarter of 2023 or 9.7% of revenue was above our guided range of 7.5% to 8% of revenue. We reported net income of $4 million for the third quarter of 2023 compared to $10.3 million for the third quarter of 2022. Adjusted net income for the third quarter was $5 million compared to $1.5 million for the third quarter of 2022. We generated free cash flow of $8.4 million, or 18% of revenue, compared to 16.2% for the second quarter of 2023 and 1.7% for the third quarter of 2022. We also earned $2 million in interest income in Q3. In addition, as part of our NCID program, at the end of the third quarter, we had repurchased a total of $1,333,000 361 common shares for cancellation at an average price of $38.43 for a total cash consideration of $51.2 million. Share-based compensation accounted for a modest 4% of third quarter revenue compared to 2.7% in the third quarter of 2022. For the trailing 12 months, the post-dilution impact was less than 1%. Now, for our Q4 2023 outlook, where our guidance is above the street consensus for both the top and the bottom line, here are the key takeaways. We expect total revenues to range between $48.3 million and $48.5 million. We expect gross margins to range between 80.5% and 81.5%. We expect adjusted EBITDA margins to range between 10% and 10.5%. A few points in addition to note regarding the fourth quarter guidance. We expect subscription revenue to be about 2% points higher than overall company revenue, while professional services revenue to decrease sequentially from Q3. This is being driven by our increasing work with system integrators who are a critical part of both of our expansion into the large enterprise accounts, as well as the Fed and SLED space. In conclusion, I would like to highlight these three key points. One, our market leading position and stabilization in the enterprise space drove improved unit economics across our business during the quarter. This is further evident by the fact that the number of customers who generated greater than $100,000 in ARR increased 55% year-over-year. Two, we are generating meaningful free cash flow. Using this metric, combined with subscription revenue growth, we have exceeded the rule of 40 for the past two quarters. Our cash allocation strategy remains focused on strategically investing into our five pillars of growth, tuck-in acquisitions that align with our innovative product strategy, and returning excess cash to shareholders through our NCIB program. Finally, we now have a clear path to exceed the profitability guidance we provided earlier this year as we now expect to exit the year with adjusted EBITDA between 10% to 10.5%, while continuing to maintain incremental investments in innovation, FedRAMP certification, and our go-to-market motion in the government and the enterprise sector. That concludes my prepared remarks. Operator, please open the line so that we can take some questions from the analysts.
spk10: Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, should you have a question, please press the star followed by the one on your touchtone phone. If you'd like to withdraw your question, please press the star followed by the two. If you're using a speakerphone, please leave the handset before pressing any keys. One moment, please, for your first question. Your first question comes from Sutan Sukumar from Stifel. Please go ahead.
spk03: Good morning, Jess, and congrats on the very strong results this morning. I'm pretty impressed to see the results. That new AR ads coming quite strong along with a nice uptick in your ACV. I had a question that sort of just brought it over to go to market. It's good to hear that your direct sales motion is having more impact, but it also sounds like there's a growing role that your SI partners are playing here. How are they sort of helping you evolve your overall go-to-market strategy in the enterprise? And is your work with these partners, are they helping you provide you guys with more visibility into next year, just given where enterprise spending trends are going?
spk02: Just curious, any thoughts there?
spk12: Hello, Sutan. Thank you for the question, and I appreciate the nice words there. Partnering with SIs has always been a goal of ours. This required some overarching maturity, product and services-wise, because in order to be a compelling partner for an SI, you have to have a certain size as a company, certain target customers, and the product that suits itself to delivering high value for these companies that are looking to maximize on their services revenue and consulting capabilities. With that said, there is no doubt that working with these companies gives us a longer term view on our enterprise opportunities when we work with them on deals. I believe we're quite early in our journey of working with SIs. There's a lot more work that needs to be done and will be done. I would say in the area of SIs, one of the latest evidences of early success is what we are also accomplishing not only in the commercial segment, but also in the government segment where we have gotten extremely close. with the top four SI consulting firm that is giving us the ability to really accelerate our entry in both the SLED and Fed market. So overall, I would say our view of the SI market is an area of investment that is already returning results, but that we believe has great, great, great return for the future.
spk03: Great. Thank you for that, Kola. My next question is really on the opportunity that you guys have ahead of you in the public sector. You guys announced the U.S. Department of Energy win this quarter, and you guys are still sort of in that – it sounds like you're still on track from a FedRAMP certification process. Can you provide an update here in terms of, you know, what you're able to do today from a go-to-market perspective? from a go-to-market motion perspective in the U.S. government. It sounds like you are able to win deals today, both on the federal and state side, without FedRap in hand. Can you talk a little bit about some of that progress there and really what changes once you do have FedRap?
spk12: Well, as we stated in the past, for us, winning in this lead portion of the government market is not completely news. We already had a relatively healthy portion of our customer base in that segment. What's exciting to us is that we accomplished that percentage with minimum to no deep focus in that. And so like whenever you focus, you usually improve an operating machine. And that's what we did by standing up the government capability. On the ZLED side specifically, the opportunity is enormous. It's time accelerated because not all ZLED organizations require a FedRAMP-like or a state-RAMP-like certification. Some do, and we will reap the benefits of FedRAMP in that case also on the state side. We are not only deep in deals in SLED, thanks to the partner that I mentioned before, but in general, we brought on board individuals like our VP, in government that have a deep knowledge of the space and know how to execute on teaming agreements that are essential for the execution in more complex even state deals. What we've been at work on deeply is really developing on one end our overall marketing capabilities, messaging. We've learned a lot about what state-like organizations need, and we have further conversations with many partners and distributors like Kerasoft that are making, you know, this is preparedness for large scale, I would say. And I believe, you know, we're on the right track. And once FedRAMP completes, we will be even more in a better position.
spk02: Okay, great. Thank you for the color, gents, and congrats again on the quarter.
spk03: I'll pass the line. Thank you. Thank you, Sotham.
spk10: Your next question comes from Josh Baer from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead.
spk09: Great. Thank you for the question. I wanted to ask about the expansion that you talked about in your paired remarks with Amazon. Just wondering if that was new in the quarter, if you could talk a little bit more about the use case and the timing and the impact of that expansion?
spk02: Sure.
spk12: Thanks for the question. Amazon is a flagship customer for us. We started with Amazon AWS and we've added on several areas of the business within Amazon and the latest Amazon SMB is another example of that. Overall, I would say the biggest project in terms of size and scope remains our Amazon AWS initiative, but this latest Amazon SMB project, which is relatively smaller in size, is just one of a few that we have targeted within the Amazon Corporation. Our job is to continue penetrating this account, and in order to do that, our focus is on making AWS very happy, and we're strategically focused on it.
spk15: Good morning. I just wanted to add quickly on that. Just from an AWS perspective, we, of course, have the major installation, which is AWS Skills Builder. where this is not a win on the engineering side, which is the department that we won within AWS, but we also expanded within the current contract that we have on the AWS Skills Builder, which is the Customer Academy. So we continue to build and expand within the current contract and other departments. So there's several ways to expand.
spk09: Excellent. I wanted to ask one more on AWS. And thinking about it from the lens that, you know, Gen AI continues to evolve and impact the world, the need for skilling and reskilling is increasing. And so I'm wondering if you're seeing any changes from the broader HCM suite players, if they're more focused on their learning modules and generally if those larger HCM suites are putting more attention to the learning segment of the market. Thank you.
spk06: Yeah, Claudio speaking. So, first of all, we are capitalizing on mistakes that some competitor is doing, mainly learning LMS players, not HCM. The dynamic we see in the HCM space is they give ER1 their LMS component that focus on legacy uh training topics like soft skills compliance and uh language training but after start uh having a sophisticated need in terms of scalability multi-user provisioning multi-audience and you name it all the really sophisticated needs that that the only A vertical LMS player playing horizontally in the market can provide the ACM small LMS models are not satisfying these needs, which are enterprise needs. Sometimes we can see that customers adopt these small components, let's say here, and then they realize that, okay, it's free or almost free, but it does satisfy complex training needs.
spk15: And Josh, just to also add to that, just some, you know, referenceability is that if you look at a couple of wins specifically that, you know, whether it's Milwaukee Tool and secondly, I would say Enterprise, you know, these are folks exactly doing what Claudia spoke about. They hit a moment at which they need to move to a platform that can serve their needs from a learning perspective from legacy ACM platforms.
spk00: Great. Thank you.
spk10: Your next question comes from Kevin Kumar from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead. Hi.
spk13: Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to ask about the enterprise. You know, how are sales cycles kind of trending in the shape of the pipeline? Any color there would be helpful. And, you know, as it pertains to that, you know, if you can talk a little bit about the recent big five U.S.-based technology company that you won, I guess kind of the main use cases there and the process of winning that deal and anything on the relative side of the deal would be helpful.
spk12: Thanks. Hello, it's Alessio. Thank you for the question. Look, Kevin, I'll start from the latter part of the question on the strategic deal that you referenced. Whilst we are unable to share the exact logo name, we are extremely proud of serving one of the worldwide leaders in their respective deck space in which they play into. I will say, you know, a few things. With this prospect in particular that he highlights, we've been navigating a deep degree of complexity that is an organizational complexity of the customer, a deep degree of complexity due to the various needs that were being addressed in terms of use case. You were asking which ones and the primary targets were sales mastery, sales enablement, and customer training, so the perfect equation of hybrid positioning that we have in the market. And I would say the third degree of complexity, but also leveraged, was whilst we were working with this organization, also developing the relative relationship with the system integrator that had a strong in the company in order to win fundamentally their selection, because the SI was also utilized for a selection opinion during the RFI phase. All that to say, we were proud to be the best in class, the largest companies in the LMS space. and to substitute and displace technologies in learning that had been serving this company for many years. That's, I think, as much as I can say without exaggeration. you know, entering into specifics that would otherwise kind of be beyond our NDA. With the more general enterprise posture, we're so excited. We believe that we are positioned in a really ideal way to continue to win the best companies ever. In the world, because of this ability to adapt to multiple use cases, see, referenceability is a really huge thing in advocacy in enterprise. And so being able to demonstrate and speak to deployments like the ones we just discussed, it goes well beyond any demos or any product conversation. Our product, notwithstanding that, has matured, as our operation globally has matured. So overall, the company posture is just in an ideal space to continue to win, share a wallet in the enterprise space, and our demand is reflecting that because our business development team is crushing results on our enterprise segment. So you find me extremely excited, and we will continue to deliver results.
spk06: Yeah, Alessio, from another angle, from the product angle, Our roadmap is also focused on supporting very sophisticated enterprise needs from several points of view. Features, security, and scalability. And I've seen a customer, a very large enterprise customer, a couple of weeks ago, late, and on migrating to the new database architecture that Fabio and the team have built, they were late for their own reason. And when we deployed the new solution, we have seen the scalability going skyrocketing. I mean, the technology we have is super scalable and raised for a very, very, for a very large amount of users, million and million and millions.
spk14: That's great. Appreciate the color there.
spk13: And then I wanted to ask about, I think last quarter there was a comment on SMB turn kind of impacting kind of the new customer ads. And so curious if that's persisting and if it's impacting any of the other metrics like ARR growth or retention. Thank you.
spk15: Yeah, Kevin, I'll take that one. So I think just to kind of remind, so when you think about SMV in our world, you know, just from a perspective overall, almost 50% of what we do in a quarter is from the large enterprise segment. That's contracts of $100,000 and above. And SMB will be sub 20% of what we've done in the past. The way we've spoken about in the past as well as is consistent is that SMB is a customer that's primarily driven through inbound. It is a first-time adopter, requires a lot of touch from a unit economics perspective. There are certainly, you know, I would say it is not as optimal as the mid-market or high enterprise customers are. And what you will see from us is that we will continue to play in that space to the extent that the unit economics makes sense as well as we watch for innovation in that space because that's really where the next two tables come from. And we really want to understand if there's certain areas where we can, you know, we watch for from a competitive landscape. But otherwise, you know, the first time customer, you know, we will continue to focus from an inbound point of view. But, you know, primarily the higher investments that are paying off, as you can see in this cycle of earnings and past quarter, is focusing on mid-market, on enterprise, moving up market, because that's where the gross retention, net retention, the ability for us to be in multiple use cases. If you look at the statistics that I spoke to, you know, 80% of our customers are in three or more departments. two or more departments, that's 50% in three or more departments, and that really gives you the stickiness. Gross retention is held relatively flat to the prior quarter, as I spoke, and that's a reflection of us moving up market.
spk13: Great. Thanks for taking the questions, and congrats on the quarter. Thank you.
spk10: Your next question comes from Martin Toner from ATB Capital Markets. Please go ahead.
spk14: Hello.
spk11: Thanks so much for taking my question. You have typically given NRR with the Q4 print, and can you give us a bit of a sneak preview there?
spk15: Martin, I love the question, but as you know, we provide that at the end of the year annually, so we will provide that number when we report Q4. But like I said, from a perspective of gross retention holding fat, the only thing I can add that may help you is that We had a very strong, one of the best quarters we had in upsell cross-sell motion during the year.
spk11: Great. Thank you very much. When I look at your guidance going into the big Q4, looks kind of conservative at first glance. Just wondering if you can just give us some color on how Q4 is shaping up, how incremental ARR might look relative to some of the previous year's Q4s?
spk15: Yeah, no, listen, Martin, from our point of view, listen, when you think about ARR and subscription revenue, it's relatively straightforward. You take the ARR at the start of the quarter and it gives you a sense of what the subscription revenue at a minimum would be. And really to the extent that we close a number of the deals that will be in Q4 that come in earlier in the quarter that can have some impact into adding some subscription revenue during the quarter. But, you know, we, of course, always try to make sure that when we guide from a revenue perspective, it gives, you know, we feel confident about it and have the ability to do as best as we can to exceed it. From a profitability point of view, I will say that I think we demonstrated, I think if you've seen the numbers relative to consensus, we were 170 basis points ahead. So, I had spoken to the street that I would be at 10% exiting Q4, but we are pretty much at 10% at this point. We will probably make some investments as we think about some FedRAMP investments that we talked about in Q4. That will be more Q4 specific items and some things in R&D, but we feel pretty confident about the number I put out there in the consensus for EBITDA. we'll see if we can do better than that. But we feel very comfortable where we are in terms of the number we provided, both for revenue, gross margin, and EBITDA.
spk11: That's great. Thank you very much. Last one from me. Has there been any change to the timing for FedRAMP approval that you communicated at the customer conference?
spk15: Alessio, do you want to take that? All right. I can kind of give an insight. I'm sorry.
spk11: Could you repeat that real quick?
spk14: Sorry.
spk11: Question.
spk15: FedRAMP timing hasn't changed.
spk11: Yeah, just wondering, has there been any change compared to what you communicated at the customer conference?
spk12: No changes. Perfect. Thank you.
spk15: Martin, in terms of that, just to make sure we understand this, on the FedRAMP side, we've spoken about 2024s, but there's obviously factors that can either accelerate or not or be in 2024 because One of the important aspects to remember, just want to call it out for the street not to get too ahead, is that there is a program where to the extent you get a sponsor, there's a possibility that can accelerate. But if there is no sponsor, then it takes a quarter or two longer. But generally, 2024 is the year where we've indicated we will get there. And to the extent we get any news on sponsors, we will share that with the investor base.
spk11: Thank you very much, and congrats on a good quarter.
spk10: Your next question comes from Robert Young from Canaccord Juniority. Please go ahead.
spk01: Hi, good morning. You've already talked a lot about your success with large enterprise across multiple use case. I wanted to dig into a flavor of that. It appears with enterprise in Milwaukee here in the corridor that the entry point here is changing a bit. I think you said 50% of the pipe is external, but in the past, the external has always been your entry point in enterprises. I understand it. It now looks as though you're, you know, very much broadening that out. And I was curious what's driving that. Is that just the outbound effort or is it the way that the market's looking at you or is it partners that are pulling you into these sort of internal non-external, uh, uh, large enterprise opportunities?
spk06: I'll tell you speaking, uh, um, So what's happening is that there is a shift in the industry on who is the recognized leader and the best of breed. So now, if you want to have the best LMS in the market, in the world, by the way, and you want to choose the table, that's it. For sure, the partnership with SIs helped us to be endorsed like this. But usually, when a customer writes an RFP, and you were right, not for a single department where we start and then we cross-sell through other departments. It's common now that Chamber is also the choice for the global projects. Global projects are approached in a couple of ways. One where there is a single decision maker that wants to deploy a global LMS or, and as it happened a few weeks ago with the big technological, a federated group of people that goes together, put a budget together to have a single LMS with the different experiences, learner experiences, based on the department that logs in inside the Duce Bois. I don't know if Zuccaro or Ale want to provide more flavor on that.
spk12: Yeah, I would just add one thing. In the macro environment, the other shift, in addition to what the one that Claudio was mentioning, is the role of CFOs and CIOs has increased in these strategic decisions. And the impact of that trend is that we're sitting more often with individuals that come from a perspective that is not necessarily the internal perspective or the external perspective, but it's making the best decision for the corporation in order to get the best technology that has the best path forward towards being really a shared technology among the group. So we're sitting often with CAOs that say, hey, I have a point solution on the internal side, and there's a vision of doing Customer Academy in two years. I need a product that does both really well. And oftentimes that is even CFO push. So from a business development standpoint, the impact of that is we are testing personas so to speak, or buyer personas that in the past were less perhaps relevant for us, but we're working those a lot and we're seeing great results.
spk01: Okay. Thank you for that. And maybe just a collary to that would be around if the entry point is the CFO or the C-suite, I mean, obviously that's success on the retooling of your sales go to market, but I'm also curious of, you know, where the opportunity is an HRIS system or a broader HR tool and learning is one element of it. How does Docebo deal with that? Or is that something that you would walk away and focus on best of breed application of, you know, training and learning?
spk12: I think we presented it really well before, but I'll let you go ahead and cover kind of the topic.
spk06: Actually, the way we deal with HSTEM systems is in two ways. For OEM, where most players, and usually are also local players that cannot build their own LMS in different areas of the world, are integrating the Chabot. The other part is the Chabot Connect. I mean, we have these big marketplace of integrations that connect with all of the HCM out there or with the HR ecosystem because the HR ecosystem is not only HCM. There is talent, there are many other angles that you need to integrate organically inside the organization. What is powerful about connected here is is that we do not provide static integration. Static integration means this is the integration, go and use it. But this standard integration, we can change it for you based on your needs. So different workflows, different rules based on the customer needs. So we approach the HCM software ecosystem from two angles, or CM or integrate.
spk14: Okay, thanks a lot for taking the questions.
spk10: Your next question comes from Richard Say from National Bank Financial. Please go ahead.
spk08: Yes, thank you. So it was pretty clear from your conference that you've got an incredible amount of momentum and it's still very early days. But what I'm trying to understand is that if you can give us a sense of your market share today, really trying to assess the runway here in front of you. And as you add sort of more markets. I'm trying to get a grasp on what that share would be.
spk15: Yeah, Richard, I'll speak to some numbers. I think we printed and we'll be happy to kind of recirculate a few quarters ago just to give you some perspective. And we did some work in the U.S. market and then just globally. But I'll even just speak to the U.S. market, which is in the top of my head, and the numbers are. If you think about the external versus internal use case, we've always spoken about that. 50% of my pipe will lead from an external use case where the win rates are the highest. And as Claudia spoke about, and also in terms of the internal use case, we're seeing a lot of opportunities come to our desk because CIOs are thinking about long-term multiple problems, not just one problem. Some numbers, you know, if you think about the U.S. market next five years, eight point five billion dollars up for grabs, almost 70 percent of that is greenfield in the external use case. And then one third of that number is is what we call the switcher market, which is primarily the internal use case, employee onboarding and so on and so forth. And so the way I just simplify the math in that aspect is that, you know, if we continue to be the leaders on both external and internal use case, but multiple use cases, we do not need, you know, the whole market. But if we continue to maintain the leadership and our 5, 10% of that market leadership, that is a significant number still ahead of us that will be close to half a billion dollars or more in ARR if we just continue to do that and execute. So, you know, I'm just giving you high-level numbers, but I think What is also important to note is that the breadth of our horizontal nature, if you look at this quarter, what I generally look at more closely also, I'm pleased, is that if you look at 2021 to 2023 and now, we continue to be in multiple horizontal departments. This quarter, yes, we call out the big five tech customer win, but we had major wins with Enterprise Car Rental, Milwaukee Tool. We also had some wins that we didn't call out, like the World Anti-Doping Agency. So we have a multiple horizontal framework And then government is coming into that foray, which, again, as we highlighted during InSpot, is a large market. The U.S. federal government last year spent $230 million. In the last three years, spent $230 million in LMS spend. So it gives you a perspective of that market once we get into FedRAMP certification, and that will open up multiple pipeline opportunities, which we can't participate in today, but it's a matter of a few quarters when we will.
spk08: Okay, super, super helpful. Thank you. And thanks for those comments today with respect to EBITDA and sort of giving a perspective even with the investments. But as you look ahead even beyond next quarter as an organization, how are you thinking about sort of capital allocation and the run rate of EBITDA? Like is that kind of you're at the point now that you've sort of proven that you can surface that operating leverage and now you're going to sort of continue to sort of maybe pick up your investment in growth or How should we think about that over the next 12 plus months here?
spk15: I'll start that and feel free to come in. I will say first and foremost, before we speak to Evita, growth is the number one and primary objective, which we start with, and our investments in R&D and in sales and marketing. Specifically, as we called out, enterprise segment, government, FedRAMP, we are making those investments and still delivering this EBITDA. So it gives you a sense that, you know, I kind of gave some numbers to folks that probably gave up 2% of my EBITDA this year in FedRAMP certification, which tells you I could have been higher than that if I didn't make those investments. But those investments are necessary to drive the long-term revenue CAGR. Now, I don't provide long – I've provided some guidance in terms of what we've said at Inspire that you can expect this company, you know, is more closer to – if you're an 81% margin business and we're exiting in north of 10%, 10.5% that I called out in Q4 in the next quarter, then you should expect that this business can continue to demonstrate leverage. And the easiest part here to kind of simplify the math is that you are seeing GNA drop a percent a quarter. There's probably another – I know you should expect us at a 250 million plus ARR to be a business that's generating, that has a GNA of close to let's say 10% or so. So what I'm really saying is that 7% to 8% coming from GNA and operating leverage without even touching sales and marketing R&D But as we've spoken about in the past, I think we feel pretty confident about maintaining a healthy revenue CAGR where growth is the higher component of the rule of 40 and adjusted EBITDA slash free cash flow should be, as we called out in our investor presentation at Aspire, 18% to 20% is not unreasonable in the next few years. And just one follow-up, Richard. I also look at free cash flow. My apologies. Just a quick point. Free cash flow is also important to me. Free cash flow per share is equally important to me. And as you can look at it, that's an important discipline that we've shown that free cash flow was 18% this quarter and 16% last quarter.
spk06: Yeah, and about capital allocation from the M&A angle, we have been – We became very, very good on Tachin M&A. I mean, anecdotally, after the acquisition of Fearboard and EduGo, we have been capable to, you know, integrate the team and to release the first alpha version of the product in less than four months and a half after the acquisition. we have executed these at the speed of light so for for us the key mna is something we are becoming extremely good so probably probably we are also open to explore other opportunities without uh after we we we have you know well digested the acquisition that we have made in 2023
spk14: Okay, thank you very much. Appreciate it.
spk10: Thank you. I will now turn the call back over to Claudia Ereba, CEO for Closing Remarks.
spk05: Yeah, thanks, everyone, and let's speak again next quarter.
spk10: Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes your conference call for today. We thank you for joining, and you may now disconnect your lines. Thank you.
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