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spk16: Good day, and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the local third quarter 2023 results conference call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speaker's presentation, there will be a question and answer session. To ask a question during this session, you'll need to press star 1-1 on your telephone. You will then hear an automated message advising your hand is raised. Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to the company for prepared remarks and video.
spk09: Please go ahead.
spk12: Good morning, everyone, and thank you for joining the third quarter 2023 earnings call today. If you have not seen the earnings release, a copy is posted in the financial section of the Investor Relations website. On the call today, you have Pedro Arndt, Co-Chief Executive Officer. Sebastian Canovic, Co-Chief Executive Officer. Sergio Fogel, Co-President and Chief Strategy Officer. Diego Cabrera-Canay, Chief Financial Officer, Maria Oldham, SVP of Corporate Development, Investor Relations, and Strategic Finance, and Soledad Nagar, Head of Investor Relations. A slide presentation has been provided to accompany the prepared remarks. This event is being broadcast live via webcast, and both the webcast and presentation may be accessed through dlocal's website at investor.dlocal.com. The recording will be made available shortly after the event is concluded. Before proceeding, let me mention that any forward-looking statements included in the presentation or mentioned in this conference call are based on currently available information and DLocal's current assumptions, expectations, and projections about future events. While the company believes that our assumptions, expectations, and projections are reasonable given currently available information, you are cautioned not to place undue reliance on those forward-looking statements. Actual results may differ materially from those included in DLOCAL's presentation or discussed in this conference call for a variety of reasons, including those described in the forward-looking statements and risk factors sections of DLOCAL's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, which are available on DLOCAL's Investor Relations website. Now, I will turn the conference over to Pedro Arndt. Thank you.
spk20: Thanks for joining us today. Let me start by saying that after my initial quarter at D-Local, I'm enthusiastic about our future prospects and the promising opportunities that our business presents for us. As we'll cover briefly, Our current performance, our future pipeline and market opportunity present a unique opportunity for sustained growth over a multi-year period driven by the powerful secular trends behind emerging market adoption of digital products and services. We need to remain focused on executing behind that opportunity while constructing the foundational blocks as a company to ensure we can scale at the pace our merchants and our markets will demand. Let me walk us through some of the highlights of our Q3-23 results that are a testament to these statements. We delivered another quarter of solid performance. TPV grew 69% year-on-year, reaching $4.6 billion, supported by our well-diversified merchant and geographic base. Revenue grew 47% year-on-year, despite a strong devaluation of the Nigerian naira in the quarter. If we exclude Nigerian revenue, growth came in at 58% year-on-year. We remain focused on achieving gross profit growth as our key metric, and in 3Q23, we attained $75 million of GP, increasing by 38% year-on-year and 5% sequentially. We're still delivering best-in-class profitability. Our ratio of adjusted EBITDA to gross profit came in at 75% for the quarter. And our Rule of 40 framework, which adds our gross profit growth and our adjusted EBITDA over gross profit margin, continues to exceed 100%, coming in at 113% during the quarter. Free cash flow. which you can reconcile in the accompanying presentation, was $45 million, with a cash conversion ratio that still remains above 100%. Our investments remained thoughtfully focused on expanding our global team and building the appropriate processes, tools, and governance mechanisms to ensure our business grows efficiently and scales the right way. During Q3, our team grew by 155 FTEs compared to the third quarter of 2022, or by 22% year-over-year to 867 employees. Hirings were evenly allocated across the company as we have intensified ongoing efforts to strengthen support areas and further upgrade internal processes and tools, while maintaining our prior commitment to growing our engineering, and sales teams. We continue to expand relationships with trusted financial partners, adding more globally systemically important banks, pan-regional and national market-leading banks for our processing, FX and hedging activities. To place some data points behind this, and as is included in our quarterly presentation, 84% of all our foreign exchange transactions during the quarter were carried out via GSIBs and pan-regional or national banks, 7% via authorized broker-dealers, 6% via our payment processing partners, 3% via authorized net settlement fund flows, and 0.3% through alternative assets. Before I turn things back over to Maria, I'd like to share some additional news regarding key leadership changes within the company. Firstly, our Chief Financial Officer, Diego Cabrera-Canay, has decided to step down from his position to pursue new opportunities. Diego's played a significant role in our financial success during his period at D-Local. He's agreed to stay on through Q1 of next year to help us ensure a smooth transition. As one exec leaves, we're also strengthening our team. Diana Beitler will be joining us as Senior Vice President of Strategic Partnerships and Government Relations. Diana comes to us after eight years at Microsoft and the Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation. We've also appointed Ricardo Breakwell as our chief accounting officer. Ricardo joined the team after 12 years at Cielo, Brazil's largest publicly listed merchant acquirer, leading their accounting, treasury and control operations. I want to welcome both Diana and Ricardo and wish Diego the best in his future endeavors. Let me now turn the call over to Maria to dive deeper into our business performance during the past quarter.
spk01: Thank you, Pedro. Hi, everyone. During Q3, we continue to see strong growth across all verticals. We highlight triple-digit growth year-on-year in our commerce platform, becoming our largest vertical since last quarter, as we continue to see strong traction through our platform solution for marketplaces, particularly in Brazil and Mexico. This growth was followed by ride hailing up by 81%, streaming up by 59%, and SaaS up by 54% year-on-year. This quarter, we observed a lower growth in financial services vertical, increasing 23% year-on-year, driven by customer churn at two of our financial services merchants. In Q4, we anticipate sustained growth in the commerce vertical driven by the festive season. In terms of product, during Q3 2023, panes increased by 68% year-on-year. Compared to Q2 2023, most of the growth came from panes, which increased 8% quarter-on-quarter. our payouts volume remained stable quarter-on-quarter, as we saw lower growth from our financial services vertical. Year-on-year growth was a very solid 73%. In terms of service mix, our cross-border and local-to-local volumes showed strong growth year-on-year, with the latter doubling year-on-year. Sequentially, we continue to see higher growth with our local-to-local volume, increasing by 10% quarter-on-quarter, while cross-border volume increased 2%. As a consequence, the share of local-to-local increased, reaching 51% in Q3 2023. In terms of geography, in Latin America, which is our largest region, we continue to experience sustained strong revenue momentum in Brazil and Mexico, as we continue to grow with our existing customers and gain share of wallet. Growth in both countries has been driven mostly by merchants from commerce, on-demand delivery, streaming and travel verticals. We saw lower revenues in Chile, mainly driven by the slowdown in the financial services vertical, as explained earlier. In Argentina, we saw higher revenue driven by the widening spread between the official and the parallel exchange rate, while gross profit remained fairly flat, despite the devaluation in the quarter. We continue to see strong growth in other countries in Latin America, including Dominican Republic, Colombia and Guatemala. Our business in Africa and Asia continues to perform very well. In Q3, revenues in Africa and Asia increased 14% year on year, despite being negatively affected by the devaluation of the Naira. Excluding Nigeria, this region grew 79% year-on-year, mainly driven by Egypt, Kenya, Vietnam, South Africa, Philippines, and Saudi Arabia. In Q3 2023, Nigeria revenues decreased by 39% year-on-year and 59% quarter-on-quarter. The continued strong growth of our diverse merchant base across multiple emerging markets translates into solid NRR, which was 141% in Q3 2023. We have built strong merchant relationships, and we have a tremendous opportunity to continue capturing more volume as our wallet share with our largest merchants is still low double digits. Diego will now review the financial highlights.
spk10: Thank you, Maria. And hello, everyone. As Pedro mentioned, I have decided to step down as chief financial officer of the local to pursue new challenges. This is a personal decision that I have been discussing with the board, and I believe now is the right time. It has been an honor to serve as the company's CFO for the past three years, working with such talented individuals, and I am very thankful for the trust and support of the board and the senior management of the local. During the forthcoming four months, I will remain fully engaged and committed to facilitating a smooth handover process. I am confident in the company's prospects and firmly believe that, under the continued guidance of the board leadership, the local will persist in its trajectory of growth and success. With that, let's get into the quarterly results. Revenues reached a record high of $164 million in Q3 2023, growing 47% year-over-year, while quarterly growth remained positive at 2% quarter-over-quarter, even after a particularly strong Q2. We remain focused on growing absolute gross profit dollars. Our gross profit reached $75 million in Q3, up 38% year-over-year and 5% quarter-over-quarter. Gross profit margin increased from 44% in Q2 to 45% in Q3, positively impacted by a higher share from Africa and Asia, driven by countries with higher than average gross margin, and lower expatriation cost in Nigeria. Net take rate remains stable at 1.6%, showing our pricing power continues to hold steady despite continued TPV growth. Compared to Q2, we saw a positive contribution from the higher share of pay-ins and from certain countries in Africa and Asia with higher than average net take rate. This was offset by the higher share of local to local volume. Profitable growth remains a top priority. During the quarter, we were able to grow our adjusted EBITDA to $56 million, up 34% year-over-year and 7% quarter-over-quarter. Adjusted EBITDA margin increased by 2 percentage points quarter-over-quarter to 34% in Q3. Our adjusted EBITDA over cross-profit increased to 75% quarter-over-quarter. Net income totaled $40 million during the quarter, growing by 25% year-over-year. Sequentially, it decreased by 10% quarter-over-quarter. As detailed in the accompanying presentation, quarterly net income was negatively affected by the impact of Argentine devaluation on intercompany loans denominated in US dollars, inflation adjustment under IFRS, and stock-based compensation. This was partially offset by gains from hedge bonds acquired to protect from that devaluation. We also observed an increase in our effective income tax rate from 16% in Q2 to 18% in Q3. As a result of the country mix, we higher local to local share of pre-tax income and the non-deductibility of IFRS inflation adjustment. Moving to cash flow, during the quarter we observed strong cash flow generation of our own funds, mainly driven by our net income and also by the recovery of $20 million of the restricted cash we held as warranty for standby letters of credits, decreasing the amount of other assets to $28 million in Q3. We used part of our own funds to acquire an additional $54 million in Argentine dollar-linked treasury bonds as the final part of our investment plan for Argentina. Merchant funds decreased quarter over quarter, mainly driven by a decrease in net trade payables, particularly due to a reduction in the settlement periods to certain merchants. As Pedro mentioned earlier, our net income to free cash flow conversion continued to be above 100%, with $45 million of free cash flow generated during the quarter. We believe that our strong cash position remains a competitive advantage as it allows us to continue investing in the business. Pedro, the floor is yours.
spk20: Thanks, Diego. Everyone here at D-Local is proud of the strong set of results we've delivered year to date. We are reaffirming our outlook for fiscal year 2023 and expect to end the year in the upper range of the revenue guidance between $620 and $640 million and in the mid-range of the adjusted EBITDA guidance of $200 million to $220 million. We continue to be incredibly constructive about the growth potential that the company has. There's plenty of more growth to come and opportunities to unlock across emerging markets. We have a massive long-term opportunity ahead of us, and we will continue to execute on it. Let me remind everyone, D-Local is only getting started. One last thought, I want to send a big thank you to our entire global team for the work done, to our customers and our investors for their continued support and trust in us. And with that, let me hand things back over to the operator to open up for your Q&A, which Seba and Sergio will also be joining us to take. Thank you.
spk16: Thank you. Thank you. As a reminder, to ask a question, you'll need to press star 11 on your telephone. To withdraw your question, please press star 11 again. Please wait for your name to be announced. Please stand by while we compile the Q&A roster.
spk09: One moment for our first question. Our first question comes from the line of Jorge Kiri with Morgan Stanley.
spk16: Your line is open.
spk06: Hi, everyone. Good morning and congrats on the numbers. Diego, best of luck in your new endeavors. I wanted to ask about the devaluation of the currency in Nigeria and the impact you had on revenues. I just want to make sure it's clear how the FX impact is. I was of the understanding that the vast majority of your cross-border transactions, you were charging commissions based on the dollars appropriated or moved back to your merchant home base. As they continue to charge a certain amount in dollars to their customers, their commissions will be affected by the valuation, which seems to be the case. So you were not really exposed to any FX movement on the cross-order transactions. And I believe that's kind of the way you portray the business, especially when people ask about Argentina. And then in the local-to-local portion, I was of the understanding that you had hedges in place to make sure that your revenues were protected. And so I wanted to understand what exactly happened in Nigeria. Why are your revenues down 60%? And I guess it's an important question also because we're probably a few days, maybe a week, from getting a big eval in Argentina due to changing government. And so I also wanted to get your view on how that's going to play out or what the potential input to your business is. Thank you.
spk11: Hi, Jorge. How are you? This is Diego. So on Nigeria overall, the impact of the conversion effects rates, as you remember in May, I think it was basically the parallel effects rate and the official expressions of Nigeria converse. That was substantially neutral on our gross profit dollars in Nigeria. The only impact is on our gross revenues. As the difference between the two exchanges reduces, we have lower expatriation costs for taking those dollars out of Nigeria to our operating companies, and therefore we charge lower revenues to our merchants. But at our gross profit level, that tends to be neutral. Just to give an idea, the impact on gross revenues is approximately You know, compared to Q2, it's $10 million more of revenues. If the FX difference in Nigeria would have been the same as in Q2. But again, this is in gross revenues. On a gross profit level, it's neutral. Our local to local business in Nigeria is very small, and that didn't have any meaningful impact. Argentina is a quite different economy. We have, as you know, everything hedged in Argentina. And, you know, we don't have these levels of, most of our business in Argentina has always been an official rate. So we don't have these levels of difference between the official and the unofficial in Argentina.
spk05: Dio, if I may compliment Jorge. Hi, how are you? Thanks for your question. Our business in Nigeria today, it's better than last quarter. At a gross profit level, this has been neutral. What you see is a smaller amount of revenue that we are booking There's also a smaller amount of cost that we're booking, and at a gross profit level, which is what we're keeping track of, this is neutral. Why do we keep track of gross profit? Because that's a metric that indicates how much profit we are making from a merchant transaction. The other stuff we don't control, we are fully hedged, so the declining revenue is not a part of us taking a loss by no means. What's happened is that the gap between the market rates and the official rates shrunk. Therefore, the revenues we book are smaller, also the costs we book are smaller, and at a gross profit level, this is neutral to positive. The reason why I say we have a better business in Nigeria today than we did before is because these market conditions are healthier and easier for our merchants to navigate. We are a better business when there's macro certainty. We believe that the steps that Nigeria have taken are positive. When we have merchant discussions, they welcome what has happened in Nigeria. It's now easier to understand how the market operates. By the way, the same applies to Argentina. we are very optimistic on what's to come in Argentina. This is not a political statement by no means, but this is a view of a market having a clear set of rules should allow our merchants to invest more. And if you look at our business, we continue to be indexed to the growth of our global merchants. So whenever there's more clarity, our business tends to benefit.
spk06: Thank you for that. And if I may just add a quick follow-up, Could you remind us of the financial services vertical? What are the main companies, if you can, that you're operating for?
spk05: Sure, Jorge. The ones that we're able to mention are typically public companies, at least in the US, companies like WorldPay, Payoneer, Flywire. where they essentially utilize our last mile to finalize transactions in emerging markets where they operate. These are typically customers that give us distribution to merchant segments that we're going to be going after. Otherwise, for instance, flywire, onboards, universities, and hospitals, which are the type of merchant we typically go after. And that's why we like those merchants. All of this is the partnership we have with Visa Airports, which essentially sells to global banks. Long ago, we made a decision that's not the type of customer we want to pursue directly, and that's why we have those partnerships in place. Great.
spk06: Thank you very much.
spk16: Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from the line of Tito Labarta with Goldman Sachs. Your line is now open.
spk18: Hi, good morning. Thank you for the call and taking my question. A couple questions, actually, if I can. One, I guess, a little bit of a follow-up to Jorge, but more, I guess, on Argentina. I think helpful just to go through the mechanics a little bit with devaluation in Argentina. I mean, revenues have actually come up this year a bit in Argentina. How should a devaluation impact revenues specifically in Argentina? And I think there was also some impact related to inflation accounting. How should we take that into account going forward? And then my second question, Pedro, we met a few months ago. You mentioned you were kind of reviewing the business, would see if there were any additional investments that are needed, noticed you kept your midterm guidance unchanged, although there were some management changes with Diego stepping down and some other people that were hired. Just any update on that review? Could there be future changes to the guidance? Do you think everything is in place that you need to continue to grow and scale the business from here? Thank you.
spk02: Sure, Tito. So let me start with Argentina, given that it's topical. First of all, as we've stated throughout, we've always taken a long-term view on Argentina, and this is a market that we've remained committed to throughout. We actually think that the removal of uncertainty after the election, and I think potential for a more stable economy, bodes well for our merchants in Argentina going forward. If you look at some of the slowdown in the business, although it has continued to grow through the tough macro and the devaluations, potentially gets reversed if we see that economy rebounding. So when we look midterm, we see more positives than negatives to emerge out of Argentina. From a devaluation perspective, really the impact will depend on how fast our merchants reprice. So you could see a growth in TPV to adjust to a new level of peso to dollar. We remind you that most of our merchants are global merchants that have an underlying dollarized cost. to what they offer in Argentina. And equally important, as Diego mentioned earlier, from a financial perspective, our exposure to the Argentine peso is fully hedged. So all in all, when we look at Argentina going forward, despite shorter term dislocations that might occur if there is a strong devaluation, the more important trends are Mid-term, we think it bodes well for that market. Our merchants have the ability to reprice over time, and our Argentine peso exposure is almost entirely hedged. On guidance and cost, as mentioned in the prepared remarks, we continue to invest behind strengthening the foundational pieces of our business. There's a lot of work that's going on now that was already going on, and there's also additional work of scoping where else we can strengthen. We mentioned our increased partnerships with globally significant banks, with national banks. I think the more appropriate time to finally conclude on whether we need to change guidance or not is not now. For now, we've reiterated our midterm guidance and our underlying belief is that with the incremental gross profit that can flow through the P&L from our continuous growth of the business and the way we're seeing things trend towards the end of the year will suffice to reinvest back into the business where necessary. But once we reiterate annual guidance for next year, we'll have even more detail on that front.
spk18: Okay, that's great. Thank you, Pedro. That's helpful, caller. Maybe just one quick follow-up back on Argentina. Just to understand the impact of the inflation accounting, just to understand, is that related to the operations of the business, or was that related more to the bond that you guys bought? How would that impact the results going forward?
spk11: So inflation adjustment is required by FRS for hyperinflationary countries, which is the case of Argentina. It's a non-cash adjustment, if you want. Basically, you need to restate revenues, costs and everything based on current prices and then divide them by the new exchange rates that appear from time to time. This particular quarter, we have, as you probably remember, the valuation of the official exchange right after the primary elections. And that was the main driver of that loss that you see in the P&L. You know, that will continue or not, depending on how prices in Argentina and the valuations occur. What is important to know that is a non-cash adjustment.
spk02: And picking up on that, let me just compliment more on the actual financial exposure and instruments, and you will see significant disclosure in the accompanying presentation. What happened in the third quarter is the following. The US dollars that we invested in Argentina generate an intercompany loan that sits on the Argentine balance sheet in US dollars. That actual position is fully hedged. So at maturity, there is a derivative instrument that entirely protects that investment. In the interim period before maturity, the bond, which has the derivative, actually trades at mark to market. And during the second quarter, there was some dislocation between the mark to market value of the bond and the actual derivative. That is the loss that you will see and the gain that you will see disclosed in the package. So the US dollar liability generates an exchange impact on the P&L and the value of the bond almost entirely offsets that loss, but it wasn't a perfect hedge from an accounting perspective because it's mark to market. What's really important to say is that at maturity, the bond is a perfect hedge to the investments made in Argentina, and the outcome of the election actually generates greater certainty that those hedges and those bonds will be honored.
spk18: Okay, great. Thanks, Pedro and Diego, and best of luck, Diego, on your future endeavors.
spk16: Thank you. One moment for our next question, please.
spk09: question comes from the line of Jason Kupferberg with Bank of America. Your line is now open. Jason, your line is now open.
spk04: Sorry about that. I wanted to ask about Brazil. Triple digit growth there this quarter. It's really accelerated significantly over the full of quarters, so wanted to see how you feel about the potential sustainability of these elevated growth rates. I know you got the new payment license back in July, and it sounds like the platform business is doing well there, but just wanted to get a sense on your visibility of these very strong trends in Brazil revenue growth, perhaps continuing here over the next two or three quarters.
spk02: Yeah, so we see extremely strong performance in our two largest markets, Brazil and Mexico, which is a great indication of the strength of our business and our merchant satisfaction with what we're offering. We're seeing that strength, as you can see in the vertical breakout across most verticals, but interestingly enough, it's most marked in our largest vertical, which is commerce. A significant portion of that growth is a consequence of our platform product, that we launched last year and is really solving complex payments flows for very large global marketplaces across those markets. And so everything seems to point to the direction of high levels of merchant satisfaction that we're solving complex problems for them across these markets. And therefore, we are still positive about those markets, despite the fact that they are our largest markets and are quite stable markets. Right.
spk04: Right. Okay. And then just a two-part question as a follow-up. The first part of it is just revenue from new merchants was down a bit quarter over quarter. So just curious how that came in versus your expectations. And then Pedro, if you could just comment a little bit more about, I think you made some comments around hiring more for internal processes. And I know you're bringing on the new chief accounting officer. What have you seen kind of in the in the back office operations as you've dived in to be local the last few months?
spk02: Great. So I think if you look at concentration from larger merchants, which is a metric we disclose, you do see that growth was driven more in the past quarter by the expansion within merchants we had previously landed. That's just the way this quarter played out. Again, that's positive in that it shows that our ability to gain new merchants and then increase our share of wallet and grow their businesses is still very strong. During the quarter, new merchants was somewhat less of a driver of growth, but still growing. The pipeline looks very healthy when we look at more constant terms.
spk05: so and the more current period so i wouldn't look too much into that for any negative signal um again the pipeline remains very deep yes and if i may compliment on that point on the pipeline and the new cell so there's a natural lag in terms of that metric so one thing is when we onboard those customers and then there's a relative delay on how fast those those customers ramp up Particularly during this quarter, we've onboarded the biggest company in the world, and we are yet to see those results. So we are very optimistic about our ability to continue to land new customers and then kick in with an NRR and metering retention, which is, again, our key metric.
spk04: And just on the back office, Pedro, just your, yep, thanks.
spk02: Again, I want to stress this and be very clear. Ordinary course of business. This is a company that's growing top line at nearly 70 percent across 40 emerging markets. It's expected that we have to continue to invest behind all of our back office operations to ensure that they are as robust as our merchants require. Remember that a big part of our value proposition is that we are dealing with a payments layer, but also a compliance and regulatory layer. on behalf of our merchants. And so that should always be an area of focus and investment for us, but just ordinary course of business. Also remind you that when you look at our value chain and hence the disclosures on who we operate with in terms of financial institutions, we move and money around primarily through global banks, national and regional banks. And that also generates, I think, a second layer of solidity to the operations that perhaps in the past we hadn't been as clear about.
spk04: Thank you for the comments.
spk16: Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from the line of Jamie Friedman with Susquehanna International Group. Your line is now open.
spk03: Hi. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking the questions. So one for you, Pedro, and then one for you, Seba. Pedro, in your prepared remarks and even in your prior answer, you're talking about the fabric of these global banks. That's a message that I was less familiar with. coming from DLocal. I'm wondering why you're prioritizing that in the message. I just want to try and understand why that's important. That's the first one. And then, Seba, I just have to ask, I think you said in your answer to the previous one something about boarding the world's largest. Is that in context of the logos that you had referred to in the Q2 that you had won? I realize you may not be able to say who that is, but if you could at least say what, I don't know, vertical it might be, or cause I think you said that in the previous answer. Thank you both.
spk02: Jamie. So thanks for the question on banks. And I think that's simply one of the feedback we got from investors is that perhaps we hadn't educated the street enough on how it is that we actually carry out repatriation of, of money. And there was a perceived notion of potentially more usage of alternative assets or smaller broker dealers. And that's simply not the case. The vast majority of our fund flows, forex derivatives are carried out either through globally, sustainably, systemically important banks or national market leading banks or regional market leading banks. And I think it's just an idea to give increased disclosure on not just what we do, but how it is that we do it.
spk05: Thank you, Pedro. Jamie, on the question on the commercial front, we cannot disclose the name, but we've onboarded a multivertical global leader, which is one of the top five biggest companies in the world. When you look at our merchant base, We've been able to disclose some of those logos. We continue to work with others to be able to name them during these calls. But we've also been very open about the fact that we want to onboard the top 500 companies on the internet and make sure that they are customers of ours. In investor discussions, I've been very open about the fact that there are some of those that we're missing, and we knew who they were, and we wanted to make sure that they were our customers. Today, we are proud to say that one more logo has become a customer of ours.
spk03: Got it. Thank you both. I'll drop back in the queue.
spk16: Thank you. We ask that you limit yourself to one question until all have had a chance to ask your questions, and after which we'll answer any additional questions as time permits.
spk09: Please stand by for our next question.
spk16: Our next question comes from the line of Neha Agrawala with HSBC. Your line is now open.
spk15: Hi. Thank you, everyone, and congratulations on the results. My question is more on the tax rate. We've continued to see an increase quarter over quarter on the effective tax rate. Could you explain, I saw the reasoning in the earnings release, but could you talk a bit more about why the effective tax rate is going up? And more importantly, should we expect this trend to continue? And is this inbuilt in the guidance that you have provided? It's not on the bottom line, but Should we continue to expect this to go up in 2024 as well? And what is the good rate to expect in the coming years? And also the concentration in your top merchants continue to increase, which likely means a pressure on take rate. So is there a way that you can diversify a bit more? Is that a goal that you're looking at to reduce the concentration in the top 10 merchants? Thank you so much.
spk09: Hello, Nica.
spk11: On taxes, the income tax rate that we have is the result of the country and product mix that we have. And as you know, we don't solve for that. Particularly, we have been seeing in the past few quarters a sequential increase in our local to local business. And that is basically tax on local tax rates, which are higher than average. So that is the main driver to that. Also, we discussed before about the inflation adjustment, that is a loss that is non-deductible for tax basis and that also affects the tax rate and you know we don't we don't guide to a particular tax rate again we say that cedar is paribus it will continue the same line that is now but it will continue to change based on the on the different trends that we have in our country mix and product mix service mix on concentration we don't manage our business to that metric i think the increase in concentration you've seen is a testament
spk02: to how much share of wallet we've continued to gain from some of the largest global retailers. And that's good news. Having said that, if we think over longer periods of time, Seba was mentioning, we aspire to have the 500 largest companies, digital companies in the world going through the platform. And so the longer term tendency, yes, we believe we will diversify, add new logos, and that over longer periods of time, we should see diminishing dependence on any one or 10 single merchants. Also remember that that top 10 is not always the same top 10 as you had in the prior quarter. This quarter, three of those are actually new top 10. So there is increased diversification going on, even when the concentration in the 10 in any given quarter might have gone up driven by the stellar performance in Mexico and Brazil of our platform's product.
spk16: Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from the line of John Coffey with Barclays. Your line is now open.
spk13: Great. Thank you very much for taking my question. I just had two short ones. I saw that the revenues in Chile look like they went down about 9%, and it seems like Chile had always been a fairly good grower. I wasn't sure if there's any one particular driver there, so just to hear a little bit more about Chile. And the second question is, it looks like sales and marketing, those expenses stepped up in Q3. Perhaps that ties to Pedro's earlier comments that you're investing in your sales channel, but how should we expect your thoughts about investing in the sales and marketing sector? going forward through the rest of this year and onward to next year.
spk02: Let me take Chile. Diego can take the expense question. So Chile is driven by the financial services vertical. Seba had explained previously that the financial services vertical in many instances is us being used as distribution. for certain segments of merchants that we don't, or financial institutions that we don't access directly. One of our financial services partners for Chile lost a client that explains that decline. On the flip side of that, we have gained direct access to that client. We're still ramping up. So potentially longer term, that could be positive news. Short term, the Chile decline
spk11: is driven by a client loss from one of our financial services partners sorry and regarding text and marketing expenses if you compare to q2 you will see an increase from three to four Actually, the number that was a little bit affected is Q2, which was affected by a recovery of stock-based compensation. If you look at the longer sequence, like the previous quarters, you see, for instance, that Q1 was 4.9. Q4 of last year was roughly $4 million. So the trend continues to be the same. The outlier was particularly Q2 that had a recovery of basically of stock-based compensation for four features.
spk13: All right. Thank you.
spk16: Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question comes from the line of Matt Code with Autonomous Research. Your line is now open.
spk17: Hey, guys. Good morning, and thanks for taking the question here. I just wanted to ask one more on Argentina. And I know it's kind of uncertain, a little bit of a black box right now, but wanted to ask about dollarization. and the impact on your business if that ultimately occurs.
spk09: Hi, this is Sergio.
spk07: Thank you for your question. As you know, there's a lot of uncertainty about that. The elected president said that his plan is to do the right, but lately it seems to be a bit more remote. and so it will take some time and if we were to come uh what we envision in general terms what we envision is that the more certainty that there is around argentina the more our customers are going to invest in the country argentina by the size of its economy and by our previous experience should be one of our top three countries in terms of volume So the more certainty that there is around the country, the more bullish and the more positive impact it should have on our business in the country.
spk05: Just to compliment on that, I think while it's very early to say what's going to happen in Argentina, we welcome normalization. But at the same time, Argentina is still a country that is full of friction, even in the context of full dollarization. Many of our merchants won't operate locally. There's still going to be cross-border settlement fees. So we expect our business to thrive even in that scenario.
spk17: That's super helpful, guys. And then just one quick follow-up that I had. Just on the financial services vertical, you guys have mentioned churn a couple times. So I just wanted to make sure that we understand that properly. Is it churn that your financial services partners are experiencing? Or is it churn in terms of you've lost some financial services partners? And then I just wanted to make sure, did we experience that full impact of any churn in 3Q? Or is there some impact that come in 4Q as well?
spk05: Thank you very much for the question. Super important to clarify. We've had no churn whatsoever in our merchant base. So all of our financial service partners continues to be customers of ours. Some of, one or two of them have lost customers of theirs, and therefore we've been exposed to that. As Pedro mentioned before, with one of those key customers, we managed to build a direct integration, which hasn't ramped up yet.
spk09: So we've taken the heat, but you haven't seen the upside yet. Awesome. Thanks, guys. Thank you.
spk16: One moment for our next question, please. Our next question. It comes from the line of Gilherme Grispen with JP Morgan. Your line is now open.
spk14: Hi. Good morning, everyone. Thank you for the presentation. Just one question on G&A on our side. We saw a meaningful drop quarter-over-quarter, 17%. Just want to make sure there is nothing here less recurring this quarter, and how should we think about G&A going forward? And if I may, just a clarification. It's still in Argentina. Just want to make sure I got the message. If there is a big depreciation of the FX, you guys are saying that from an accounting standpoint, we should not expect meaningful impact warnings. Is that right? Thank you.
spk02: Let me start with Argentina quickly. And we're not trying to avoid the answer. The reality is that there are multiple factors that will boil into whether we have an accounting impact or not from Argentina. So let me try to recap again. We have hedges on our Argentine positions that at maturity will fully cover us financially from any devaluation. Prior to maturity, those instruments are mark to market. And if for some reason the performance of the instruments mark to market doesn't entirely follow the underlying hedge, which is what happened in the third quarter, and you can look at the disclosures for breakouts, then you could have an accounting impact. Furthermore, as Diego walked you through, IFRS inflation adjustments could also generate accounting impacts from a devaluation. The third portion of this is how fast our merchants reprice under a devalued scenario to protect the dollar value of the digital services that they are offering. So all in all, financially hedged, and then what the impact of the deval is shorter term will depend on those variables, and it's not that easy to predict beforehand.
spk09: Okay, super clear. And on the G&A?
spk11: So overall, we see G&A expenses stable quarter over quarter. I don't know if you refer to a specific line item. Maybe we can take it offline. But overall, G&A, we see very stable quarter over quarter.
spk05: Guillermo, if I can complement on the previous question, the remark that Pedro made. I know Argentina, it's top news. We've all seen the elections. We operate across 40 markets. Argentina represents less than 15% of our revenues. And we believe that the worst is behind us in Argentina. So if anything, there's upside to be had from that country. But at the same time, the beauty of our business is that you can have Brazil kick me at all at very fast speed. Mexico, Egypt, Vietnam, Indonesia, Saudi, Kenya. So the reason why we built a business that operates across 40 countries is exactly to have natural hedges in our business and have multiple growth levers. Some of those levels are going to be faster in given quarters and others are going to be slower. But fundamentally, we have built this business to be resistant to any particular crisis across any particular market. And I think you've seen that effect. We've gone through many crises across many geographies and our business continues to operate at scale and continues to be able to grow.
spk09: So I don't want to lose sight of that fact, which I think is key. Okay, thank you. Thank you. One moment for our next question, please.
spk16: Our next question comes from the line of Kyle DePrato with UBS. Your line is now open.
spk09: Hello, everyone. Thank you for taking my question.
spk08: Two quick comments, please. First, in our presentation, you mentioned that e-commerce has been your main vertical. And Pedro also just mentioned about the launch of the platform solutions last year that is supporting this level of growth. So just to let you better understand here what explains this growth after the launch of this feature. If there is any competitive advantage in this platform solution, what are you doing differently from your competitors in the business? And also, if you can share after the launch, how was the evolution of the share of wallets of your main e-commerce views? And then my second one is in terms of your cash position. This quarter was a reduction in your cash due to lower settlement period again for central merchants. And you also mentioned the repatriation of outstanding loans. So just would like to know if you could share a little bit more details on both reasons behind that. especially on the reduction of the settlement periods for certain merchants? Why did that happen this quarter if this wasn't enough or if it did change somewhat the profile of your working capital workforce?
spk02: Thank you. Let me take the commerce one. So, yes, the platform solution, which is not only for commerce, by the way, right, but was part of the story behind the stellar growth in the commerce category. It's not the only explanation. We have many commerce merchants that grew very well in the quarter. I would say that there are competitive advantages to our solution in that our solution has been tailor built for the markets where we are offering it. And that has been one of the reasons why we have seen very large global marketplaces either increase share of wallet through our platform solution, or in some cases fully migrate away from competitor solutions onto our solutions, driven by a very strong adaptation of the platform to their needs and to the local realities, both in Brazil and Mexico. Specific numbers on share of wallet, we don't know. But like I said, we do know that in one instance, there was churn away from a competitor, and in others, given the growth in volume, we are receiving an overwhelming portion of their platform volumes in those markets.
spk11: Regarding cash flow and settlement periods, so during the quarter, we had some negotiations of terms with a few merchants, large merchants, particularly in Brazil. They had higher than average settlement period and much higher than our collection period. So part of the renunciation of the terms was a reduction of those days that we pay. We were paying roughly three days and we're paying approximately 15 days to those merchants. That has a one-off effect that you see in the cash flow of around $60 million. It doesn't continue going forward. And it's important to point a couple of things. One, we keep our negative working capital for merchant funds, both on a total level, but also on a merchant by merchant level. And we have an excellent quarter in terms of generation of own cash. If you see the cash flow, we basically generated $45 million of free cash flow. And if you add to that the $20 million recovery of the restricted cash we have with certain banks, that's $65 million generations of own cash. Part of that, as you also see there, was invested around $50 million in the bonds that we have in Argentina.
spk16: Thank you. One moment for our next question. Our next question comes from the line of Ashwin Shirvakar with Citi. Your line is now open.
spk19: Thanks. I had a question. I guess my first question is on the TPV evolution charts that you provided on page 12. as I sort of look at the quarter-over-quarter growths. When I look at the relative growth of cross-border TPV evolution versus local-to-local, are there specific things you're doing to promote the local-to-local? If you could talk about that, is that a trend that we should see continue? And then the flat growth on payouts versus the pretty good sequential growth on pay-ins.
spk09: What is the underlying factor that's driving that?
spk02: Look, we are primarily focused on merchants that operate in three or more geographies that are large and global. And so purely local merchants are not merchants that we pursue. The local to local component you see growing very well is simply because our merchants appreciate our solution and our technology sufficiently to also use us for local processing, which I think is very relevant because at times that came into question, whether we were competitive as merchants matured and markets matured. and they had a growing portion of local-to-local business to complement with their cross-border business that they did with us. And if you look at the data, we are consistently being chosen for both local-to-local and cross-border. But this is not any sort of concerted effort to pursue local merchants. Our merchant focus and segmentation remains multi-geography merchants that will have a component of cross-border and of local transactions. It's just testament to the strength of our solution. In terms of pay-ins, we do see a very large opportunity. Sorry, in terms of payouts, you had asked. We do see a very large opportunity, and Seba mentioned this earlier, to help global remittance companies with last mile into the markets where we operate. And so there is an increasing focus on our part in that vertical. And we see the strength there when we look at the year-over-year evolution of that business. On a quarterly basis, that was somewhat impacted by the financial service churn we mentioned previously, where one of our financial services partners that had payouts as part of their TPV lost one of their customers. But we still see significant strength and opportunity there, and obviously a strong payout business in markets where net settlement is possible also improves our margins on the cross-border component of our business.
spk19: Got it, got it. And then one question for Pedro, you know, as you looked at sort of the business and the evolution of the business over the last, as you come in over the last three months and looked at it, Are there sort of design principles that you sort of implement that can benefit a couple of points? And these points are, you know, as I sort of look at TPV dollar growth versus revenue dollar growth, gross profit dollar adjusted with that dollar, there's always been a higher interest. or often been a higher growth rate for TPV versus revenue versus gross profit versus EBITDA, which is kind of the opposite of what one might generally expect in a, you know, payments company with operating leverage. And the other thing, growth is often driven by one or two countries in spurts, you know, Nigeria, Argentina, and then the company gets into some sort of, you know, idiosyncratic factors affect you in those countries. Is there a way to avoid these sorts of things just from how you look at future growth? I know it's a broad question, but that's what I'd ask.
spk02: Sure. So I think in terms of the financial model, which you allude to in the first question, in large part, this is a consequence of a growing relationship with large merchants. So there is downward pressure on take rates. If you look at a year on year evolution, I think if you look at this quarterly, you see that pricing power has actually remained fairly strong Q on Q, which is a good sign. But I don't necessarily think that over the shorter period, we will see a dramatic reversion in the fact that our TPV is growing faster than our gross profit. From a margin perspective, if you look at our adjusted EBITDA to gross profit, we have extremely high margins. And I don't think we are in a phase over the next multiple quarters where we should be focusing on significant margin expansion. I think that will come over the long run and the midterm as we grow out our overall size and scale. But right now, we need to make sure we continue to invest in a very disciplined fashion within the construct of our midterm guidance, but making sure that we continue to invest behind the opportunity we have, which is huge. So we do not have a design principle for this period of delivering significant margin growth or GP growth above TPV. I think that's not the phase we're in. We're in a phase where we have an extremely attractive margin profile. We generate an extremely healthy net income to cash conversion. And what we need to focus is on sustaining growth. And then the operational leverage will kick in more aggressively over the midterm once we have a larger and more diversified business.
spk19: Very, very helpful. Yeah, thank you.
spk16: Thank you. Thank you for your questions. This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day.
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