Elutia, Inc.

Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Alusha fourth quarter and full year 2024 financial results conference call. If you know you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad to join the queue. Please be advised that today's conference call is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference call over to David Carey, FinPartners. Please go ahead.

Thank you, operator, and thank you all for participating in today's call. Earlier today, Alusha released financial results for the quarter and full year ended December 31st, 2024. A copy of the press release is available on the company's website. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that management will make statements during this call that include forward-looking statements within the meaning of the federal securities laws, which are pursuant to the safe harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Any statements contained in this call that do not relate to matters of historical facts or relate to expectations or predictions of future events, results, or performance are forward-looking statements. Our forward-looking statements, including without limitation those relating to our operating trends and future financial performance, are based upon our current estimates and various assumptions. These statements involve material risks and uncertainties. that could cause actual results or events to materially differ from those anticipated or implied by these forward-looking statements. Accordingly, you should not place undue reliance on these statements. For a list and description of the risks and uncertainties associated with our business, please refer to the risk factors section of our public filings with the SEC, including Alusha's annual report on Form 10-K, for the year ended December 31, 2024, to be filed with the SEC. accessible on the SEC's website at www.sec.gov. Such factors may be updated from time to time in Alusha's other filings with the SEC. The conference call contains time-sensitive information and is accurate only as of the live broadcast today, March 6, 2025. Alusha disclaims any intention or obligation, except as required by law, to update or revise any financial projections or forward-looking statements, whether because of new information, future events, or otherwise. Also, during this presentation, we refer to gross margin excluding intangible asset amortization, which is a non-GAAP financial measure. A reconciliation of this non-GAAP financial measure to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure is available in the company's financial results release for the fourth quarter ended December 31, 2024. which is accessible on the SEC's website and posted on the investor page of the Alusha website at www.alusha.com. And with that, I will turn the call over to Alusha's CEO, Randy Mills.

Thank you, David. And good afternoon. Welcome, one and all, wherever you might be joining us from today. Since we pre-announced so much of this, I'll do my best to keep my remarks short and brief, but like the preacher said, once I get started, I often get too lazy to stop. We are really on a tear here at Aleutia. Our mission, humanizing medicine so that patients can thrive without compromise, and we do that by pioneering the drug-eluting biomatrix. We're able to take really complex, highly engineered biological matrices and and couple that with the power of active pharmaceutical agents to come up with products that we think offer really significant and unique value propositions to some of the most challenging procedures that exist in medicine. We're a commercial stage company, and we have two platforms that we're growing off of, LU Pro which is our flagship product, our flagship drug-eluting biologic for pacemakers and internal defibrillators and neurostimulators. And behind that, we have our emerging SimpliDerm product that's often used in breast reconstruction. But we're a company with a lot of focus and a lot of discipline. And so even though we have a technology that can be broadly used across a number of different platforms, We have a very focused strategy for growth, and it goes like this. One, prove out the commercial value of our drug-eluting biologics technology on our LU Pro product platform. Two, drive continued growth with our Simpliderm product line. And then three, really explode the value of this technology by taking our drug-eluting biologics and adding it to other product lines, including our SimpliTerm product line, specifically for use in breast reconstruction and other surgical repairs. That's the high-level strategy for the company, but today I'm going to spend really all of my time focusing on LU Pro and the amazing work that we're doing there, because that's really a tremendous value driver for the company. So, Launching LU Pro. It's going on right now. We are now FDA cleared for LU Pro to be used in cardiac implantable electronic devices as well as neurostimulators. And while it took a while to get here, we've got a real winner on our hands, as I think I hope I'll be able to communicate to you through these upcoming slides. A little bit about the market dynamics that we have underlying this field of using Eliapro to protect a pacemaker that's getting implanted into somebody. So each year, there's about 600,000 pacemakers and internal defibrillators that are placed in the United States. Up until now, Medtronic's had the only antibiotic eluting envelope that's been available to electrophysiologists for use. It's Tyrex. synthetically based antibiotic eluting envelope that does about $200 million a year. And like I said, that was up until now. Medtronic, from a market dynamic standpoint, they have about 40% of the pacemaker market. So that means they're in about 40% of pacemaker cases. And so they had actually a really nice platform in which to introduce Tyrex. And they've done a nice job creating the market for device protection and this concept of an antibiotic-eluting envelope going around a pacemaker. But that leaves 60% of the market, Boston Scientific, Abbott, and Biotronic, that don't have an antibiotic-eluting envelope. and that really don't like the idea of having a Medtronic Tyrex envelope going around their pacemakers. And this isn't something that happens sort of as a one-off. We estimate now that there's about $85 million a year of Tyrex that goes around pacemakers of either Boston Scientific or Abbott and Ike. I'll just share with you, you know, when I say things like, you know, a rep, just the last thing they want to see is a piece of Tyrex around one of their pacemakers. I'll share with you, this is an actual quote I got from a rep. He came up and said, I don't want Tyrex on my cans. It's like ketchup on turkey. It just doesn't go. And I couldn't agree more. We don't want Tyrex on their cans either. And now we actually have a product that we can offer to them that we think isn't just as good as Tyrex, but is actually a much, much better product. And let me sort of explain why. So we have done this marketing survey in the past. It's at 88%. basically of Tyrex users that were polled, said they would switch some or all of their business over to, over to LU Pro once it was, it was released. But now that we're out in the field, right, we're, we're, we're actually getting to engage with these electrophysiologists on a, on a day-to-day basis with an antibiotic envelope and with a, really with a different offering and a different approach to delivering the same powerful antibiotics, rifampin and minocycline, but in a completely different envelope that's not a synthetic base, but instead it's a natural biologic base that fully conforms to the can, we actually get to understand why why they're so interested in a different solution, where this 88% comes from. These are actual direct quotes from electrophysiologists, and they talk about this surface of Tyrex being a very rough surface. It's so rough, in fact, that it doesn't slide easily into the pocket. So imagine you're making an incision into a patient's you take your envelope, you put it, or you take your pacemaker, you put it inside an envelope, and then you're trying to put that into this incision, but it's got this really rough texture. It doesn't slide easily into the pocket. And one of the quotes that really sort of stuck out to me was like, it reminds me of the no-slip coating you sometimes see on garage floors. And you know what? We think we can do better than that. We think that patients should be able to have access to to an antibiotic envelope that delivers these powerful antibiotics that protects them from infection, but it does it in a way that enables them to thrive without compromise. And that is what we do at Aleutia. We are humanizing medicine so that patients can thrive without compromise. And Eliapro, we think, is a really great example of doing that. So in the fourth quarter, which I guess technically we're reporting on now, in the fourth quarter, that was our initial pilot launch of ValuePro. We had just received clearance from FDA, and we needed to basically crawl before we walk, before we run. And so that's what our pilot launch was about in the fourth quarter. And we had three main goals. that we wanted to demonstrate in the fourth quarter pilot launch. One, we wanted to demonstrate operational excellence. Can we make and ship and distribute this product, right? Sounds simple and like blocking and tackling, but if you can't do that, you can't win the game. Second, we needed to obtain hospital and GPO approvals. You can't sell a product inside a hospital if you can't get through the value analysis committees and you can't get through the contracting organizations that make it available to the physicians to use. And then third, we wanted to drive clinical uptake of the product. Can you actually turn it into sales? Will the physicians use the product? And not just once. but will they use the product over and over again? And we are really thrilled. As I think you will see, our pilot launch exceeded all of our expectations across all three of these. And I want to thank the team for doing such an exceptional job with this. In the background of this, and I know I don't talk much about it, but we have a lot of ongoing business development activity um and we are engaged in strategic discussions right now with with with multiple partners and um in time we will have more to say about those but right now we we don't and i hope you understand okay so let's dig into uh what we do talk about and and and what is so important is that we demonstrate the value of elia pros the first thing we need to do is demonstrate operational excellence Now, fortunately, you know, we had a bit of a head start here. So we're manufacturing Eliapro in the same facility that we've been manufacturing our base kangaroo products since 2013. So we had a good head start there with that team in place. That's a facility that has a capacity to do about $140 million in of LU Pro sales without needing much in the way of additional configuration or expansion. So we've got a nice base facility to grow off of. We're also scaling up and growing into what ultimately we believe we will get to, which is a gross margin north of 70% with this product. Super important was that we completed or FDA site inspection of this facility with no deficiencies noted and were able to commence commercial production and did that in full compliance with the regulatory standards. And we're really proud of the organization down there for not just running an operationally efficient organization, but one that puts the quality of product above everything else. Okay, so moving forward from an operational excellence standpoint, we are in a situation of demand where we are needing to significantly increase our production capacity earlier than we had originally anticipated. One of the ways that we're going to be doing this with specificities, we're going to be adding to the work that we bring in-house The ability to manufacture the actual drug-eluting disc technology itself, and that will actually help us not just lower our cost of goods fairly significantly, but it will also increase our overall capacity, which it is every day it becomes more and more apparent that we need that in order to meet customer demand. We're also increasing our testing lab capacity, and this actually has to do with reducing cycle time. Again, all in service of making sure we can get the product manufactured within perfect quality standards and then hit service level so all of our sites and all of our physicians have the product available to them when they need it. Okay. Moving on now to obtaining hospital and GPO approvals. We had a goal in, just to give you an idea of this, we had a goal in the fourth quarter of 25 vacs. We wanted to be able to get through 25 vacs and on contract. We actually ended the quarter with 67 up and running. About 15 new approvals a month. And the reason we're having... such significant success getting through the VAC process right now has really been driven by two separate things. One of them we actually expected, and that was physician support. So we have a lot of physicians out there, right? 88% of Tyrex users are saying, hey, I'd like to be using Eliapro. Well, it needs to get through the vac doc in order to be able to have this product on the shelf. Well, tell me what I need to do. Who do I need to talk to? And we've been getting a lot of support navigating the product through the vac process, and that's been helpful. But the other thing, and we saw this both with the vacs as well as with the GPOs, is that the hospitals and the GPOs really like the idea of having LU Pro on contract so that they have an alternative to Tyrex. Purely, they just don't like having a sole source for any product. And that's really been gratifying, and that's frankly been helpful. It's been a bit of a tailwind in this whole process. So as we look today, not just updating for the quarter, but getting you sort of real-time up to speed, we're at about 100 centers that aren't just through VACs, because we don't count that, that's too easy. They actually have to get through the Value Analysis Committee and actively be ordering the products. We have about 100 centers that are already through that, that are actively ordering the process. We are also through four GPOs, including Premier and S3P, and We have others and we have others coming in that we expect that our conference call coming up for the first quarter, we'll be able to have several new announcements about that. All that to say, we are having a lot of success on this second goal, which was obtaining hospital and GPO approvals. The team really knocked the cover off the ball on this one and we're super happy about it. Okay. None of that would matter if the physicians didn't trust the product, if the physicians didn't think it was the best thing for their patients, and there wasn't the corresponding clinical uptake with it. But we've been seeing a tremendous amount of success here. Expanding our LU Pro Nation. There's a lot of pride in putting LU Pro on. Our team's obviously very excited about it. But our physician partners in this have been also very excited. The operating room teams coming together and say, hey, do we get our LU Pro picture? We want our LU Pro picture to show that we're the first. And the one in the middle there, a really gratifying picture. That's actually the first The first usage of LU Pro in a pediatric patient, and if you think about that, there could be no more meaningful, higher value, more precious life than that of a trial than the group down at Joe DiMaggio. in trusting their patients, their pediatric patients with LU Pro was really a super meaningful event for us as a team. As I said before, we're now being used not just with Abbott and Boston Scientific and Biotronic, but actually across all of the major cardiac implantable electrical devices, yes, even Medtronic pacemakers. are going in with Eliuprol around it, and we're happy to do that. We think, obviously, the best thing for the patients. We're also being used now in neurostimulator device protection as well. That's not a market that we're actually doing a lot of active outreach in yet. We're trying to stay focused in the cardiac space, But we're actually getting a lot of pull into that space, and so that's gratifying as well. When we go and we look at the actual numbers here, we're seeing this strong adoption. So in the fourth quarter, our bioenvelope sales, right, this includes Kangaroo as well as LU Pro. up 18% for the quarter. That had been stagnant actually for now a number of years, so that's a pretty significant uptick for us just in that quarter. You think we probably didn't have, for most of that quarter, we didn't have that many sites activated. So that was a pretty significant uptick. Eliapro during the quarter accounted for about 30% of bioenvelope sales. So that's going from zero to already accounting for about 35%. But what we thought was really an important and interesting statistic, obviously we know the accounts that we have sold Kangaroo into for quite a long time, sort of same center sales. And when we flip that center over to an Alia Pro Center. In those centers, sales increased 65% when we flip into a new center. And that's a big deal. It's what we would have expected, right? It's a better, more useful product that you might be thinking, well, maybe that's a stocking order. Actually, it's the opposite. We saw that the initial stocking orders were actually only about 25% higher. It's actually the repeat orders that are driving it up to this 65% and growing level. So we really think we have a winner here. We've got a product. That's going into a market where there was only one one dominant player doing it was doing 200 million dollars. But it was really kind of a skewed thing because since it's, you know, it's Medtronic's product and Medtronic makes a pacemaker, the other, you know, the other. Companies don't feel all that great about having a Medtronic product around their pacemaker. And so we think if we just had a Me Too product with LU Pro, we'd be able to go into this $200 million of existing business and be able to take a fair share. But we don't think we have a Me Too product. We think we actually have a significantly better product. And we think our initial data is bearing that out. And so we're really, really excited about the way this is going. We've also done a little bit of work on the sales model. So as you guys might remember, we have a hybrid model. We have 12 experienced Aleutia territory managers that manage the different territories in the country. as well as 35 independent reps. And we think that blend gives us the ability to cover the entire country, but in a pretty efficient way. We've seen that that actually is also playing out. So if we look actually in the quarter, how our 1099 or our independent reps performed, they counted... for 50% of the LU Pro sales in the corner. And what that's showing us is why that statistic was important is we can use the 1099 rep model to go in and efficiently penetrate these accounts. For us, it's an economically very efficient way of generating these sales. And we think it speaks to the value proposition that the product has. we're able to do that with our outstanding group of 1099 reps. So driving clinical uptake, the third piece, and we're really super excited about how that went as well. So what are we doing moving forward? Here's the plan for the coming quarter or the quarter that we're in right now. One, continue to drive top-line growth of LU Pro. That shouldn't come as a shock to anyone. Two, keep driving our VAC approvals, our Value Analysis Committee approvals, and our GPO coverage. We have seen that VAC approvals is a really, really good surrogate to top-line growth. If we can get on contract with a hospital, if we can get into a hospital, they will buy the product. So number two, drive VAC and GPO coverage. Three, we're going to be initiating. We've done all of this on our own. Little bitty Lucia all by ourself. But this quarter, we're initiating our LU Pro rollout with our distribution partner, Boston Scientific, that you guys know we've had for a while. We want to make sure we do an orderly rollout of LU Pro through the Boston Scientific team, and there are 900 reps that could easily bury us in demand if we're not careful. And so we are initiating the LU Pro rollout with them this quarter, and we're really, really excited about the impact that they're going to be having on these cells as well. Because of all of that, we need to keep increasing our production capacity. This is ahead of the schedule that we thought we would need. We are outpacing what we thought we would need from a production capacity standpoint. It's a good problem to have. The operations people gladly take on the challenge. And in doing that, we'll naturally be lowering the cost of goods. As we scale up, there's just a lot of natural absorption that takes place there. And then lastly, initiating our registry for the data collection of our clinical subjects for other usage that we're going to have. And then lastly, and I'll turn it over to Matt after this, I promise, come visit us at HRS. It's in my hometown. of san diego this year we're going to be having a an event out there um we'd love to see you at the booth um and if not at the booth at at one of the events we're holding and talking to you and maybe get a chance to speak with some of our electrophysiologists physician partners and learn more about why lu pro is such a home run product for us and with that i'll turn it over to matt ferguson our chief financial officer for some financial updates

All right, thanks very much, Randy. And I'll just give you a summary of our financial results for the quarter and a few of the highlights for the year, and then we'll get into your questions. So really, top of the list, as Randy mentioned, $2.7 million for bioenvelope or device protection sales, as we call it, in the quarter, that is. That was an 18% growth over the same quarter of the prior year. just under $10 million, $9.9 million for the year, which was also solid growth at about 5% for the full year. But really, more than anything, what we're doing, as Randy spoke to, we're really laying the groundwork for what we believe will be a great 2025 for this product line and for the whole company. The other category of sales, main category of products that we have is Simpliderm and our women's health products. division. There, it was a lighter quarter, $2.3 million, which was down year over year. But there, that product line is somewhat concentrated in where the sales come from. And so we do see some ups and downs in the quarter. But for the full year, we actually were at $11.6 million, which was up 12% year over year. So that also is expected to be a strong growth driver for 2025. Rounding it out, cardiovascular, which we have partnered with LaMate for the complete distribution of that in the U.S., that was at half a million dollars for the quarter. And that compares to $600,000 in the 2023 fourth quarter. So down there, that leaves us overall at $5.5 million in revenue for the quarter, down about 7% for the comparison to the same quarter of the prior year. On the full year basis, we were at about $24.4 million for the year. That's down just about 1% from $24.7 million in the prior year. Moving into gross margin, our gap gross margin was 43% for the quarter versus 36% in the prior year, so a nice increase there, but probably more importantly, backing out the non-cash amortization expense, we were at 58% for the quarter versus 51% for the year before quarter. And so that was nice growth that we saw in our gross margin year over year. And just breaking that down a little bit further, it's all in a relatively close range between our three different product lines. But just breaking that down for you, it was 60% for the device protection portion of our business, 55% for Simpliderm and 64% for cardiovascular. Operating expense, very consistent year over year, 10.8 million in the fourth quarter versus 10.6 million a year ago. That all leads us to a loss from operations of 8.4 million versus 8.5. So again, very consistent year over year. And then again, a better indicator probably of just the operating portion of our business, the adjusted EBITDA, which we have a breakdown of in our press release. That was $3.8 million as a loss for the quarter versus $4.5 million for the year-ago quarter. So a good improvement year over year as we continue to grow the business. From a cash point of view, we ended the quarter at $13.2 million in cash and So larger cash usage during the quarter than what we have seen in some of the recent quarters. But there was a good reason for that, and that's that we were actually able to settle a number of the outstanding lawsuits that we had during the quarter and get those resolved. And so that contributes to the cash usage, but it also is a positive thing in that we are very much getting our arms around that remaining set of cases there. And then very importantly, after the end of the quarter, so it doesn't show up in our financial results, but in early February, we did a registered direct offering where we raised $15 million in gross proceeds. And so again, while that doesn't show up in our year-end cash balance, that has a nice addition to our overall cash balance in terms of where we currently sit. So with that, I will pause there, turn it back to the operator to tee up any questions that may be out there. Thank you.

Thank you. And at this time, we'll conduct our question and answer session. To ask a question, press star 1 on your telephone keypad. A confirmation tone will indicate that your line is in a question queue. You may press star 2 if you would like to remove your question from the queue. For participants using speaker equipment, it may be necessary to pick up your handset before pressing the star keys. Once again, to ask a question, press star 1 on your phone. We'll pause for a moment while we poll for questions. Thank you. And our first question comes from Ross Osborne with Cantor Fitzgerald. Please state your question.

Hey, guys. Congrats on the quarter and really successful pilot launch. Thanks for taking our questions. So starting off, can you spend some time discussing to what extent Boston will be involved with LEPRO in terms of the amount of reps pushing the envelope and any marketing activities?

Yeah, Ross, so the way I'll answer that is so we have an agreement with them right now for the distribution of the product where we basically partner with them to leverage their 900 reps to distribute the product into the electrophysiology CRM space across the United States, right? So it's limited specifically to the United States there. And the way that arrangement works is when their reps basically partner with our territory managers, keeping in mind, right, they might have a rep, and I'm kind of making this up, But they might have a rep for roughly, let's just call it three hospitals for every rep. Sometimes there's even more higher concentration reps than that. Sometimes it's less. But let's just say that they have a rep for every three hospitals. So our territory managers will be partnering with multiple Boston scientific reps, And the first thing they do is they partner to get access into the hospital. So we talk about VAC approvals and the number of VACs we're on contract with. We're on contract now with 100. There's actually 1,400 centers in the United States that are hospital-based that that implant 100 or more pacemakers a year. So even though we're in 100, we still have a fairly long way to go. The first thing that their reps really help us do is get in and get through those less frequently visited centers that we otherwise wouldn't be in. And then the second thing they do is it's a real top-of-mind kind of thing. Now, our reps are really good at demonstrating the value of using a biologic envelope and why a drug-eluting product has significant advantages and what the biologics can ultimately do. And you don't really need to be there in absolutely every case to, you know, to make sure that there's consistent use of ValuePro because it's a fairly easy product to use. You take the pacemaker and you put it into the envelope, and then you take all that and you implant it into the patient. It actually makes it easier to do, and it really kind of glides in nicely. But what their reps will do is help in remembering, hey, I need to use an antibiotic, envelope on this because there's something about this patient that's high risk. Hey, you know, we should use one of those LU Pro envelopes. Yeah, okay, great. And the Boston rep can actually facilitate the use of that product. And when they do that, what they'll do is they sort of scan, you know, scan that product into the system. And then that enables us to then compensate them on a per usage basis. So we pay them a really, um, nominal commission on, um, on every time an LU Pro, uh, gets, uh, gets used. And so the system, you know, really works really well for, for, for, for, for both parties because they don't want anything to do with a Tyrex envelope being used in their procedure. And, and, you know, we like the idea of LU Pro being used and, and, um, And so, you know, it's kind of a way of us being able to pay them and their reps for keeping Medtronic out of their cases. So that's how overall that, you know, that arrangement works, or at least the arrangement we have in place today. Because LU Pro is a new product, you could imagine we are going through, there's There's training and a very specific rollout plan and all of that other kind of stuff. I'm not going to go into more of that right now. We'll have more details on that coming up on our next, our first quarter conference call. We'll have a lot more detail about all this kind of stuff on that. But that gives you sort of a picture on what's in place right now. And then any updates to that we'll have coming up for the first quarter.

Sounds great. That was perfect. And when will Boston commence distribution? Shortly. Okay. Fair enough. And then realize you're not providing guidance.

I think what's important there, Ross, you know, I think what's important there, sorry I didn't mean to step on you, Ross, but I think what's important there is They haven't yet, right? So everything that we've done here, which is, frankly, all we could handle, you know, was able, we were able to do with just, you know, little old Aleutia. And I think that talks to the value of having a really good product that physicians want to use mixed in with, frankly, the Switzerland strategy, which is we don't make a pacemaker. So we're not a threat. to anybody. We're not going to put our envelope around your product and then come in and then try to steal your underlying pacemaker business away the next day. And those two factors team up to make a pretty attractive launch.

Yes, absolutely. And then realize you're not providing guidance, but how should we be thinking about utilization at accounts Maybe it would be helpful to relay how you view a high-volume account versus a low-volume account.

Maybe I could jump in there a little bit, Ross. This is Matt. You know, I think I would go back to some of the numbers that we provided in the past where we have – we have about 400 accounts that have ordered, you know, there are kangaroo accounts. And as we just reported today, we're up at about 100 that are now ordering Eliapro. So, I mean, that, and then we also talked about how pretty, it's, we're certainly seeing more of the growth coming from Eliapro, as you would expect in the current quarter. And, you know, based on where we are in Q1, That will just accelerate in Q1. We already know that that's going to be the case as we sit here in early March with just a few more weeks left in Q1. So, you know, I guess when I think of a high volume account, I would say it would be annual usage in the hundreds. And we know that there are about 1,400 accounts in the U.S., so, you know, well beyond what we've gotten into already with Kangaroo that are over say, 100 pacemaker and defibrillator procedures for the year. And another cut at that is we think there are about 500 accounts in the U.S. that are over 500 procedures per year. And as Randy mentioned, at least 60% of that is not touched by Medtronic so far. And we actually have feedback from the market that there are a lot of Tirex Medtronic users that are very interested and are already switching some of their usage, and in some cases, all of their envelope usage over to LU Pro. So it's hard to put exact numbers on it. What we would say is a high volume account, but hopefully that gives you some sense of what we think is achievable.

Yes, that's exactly what I was looking for. And then last one for me, and I'll jump back in the queue. realize the excitement around ElePro. But as you know, we are big fans of Simpliderm as well. Could you spend a little bit more time going over what occurred during the fourth quarter in terms of the deceleration and growth and the game plan there for 2025? Thank you.

Yeah, so Simpliderm is a product that we distribute through two different platforms. two different mechanisms. One is our independent, our network of our independent distributors. The other one was, or is, a relationship, a distribution relationship that we developed with Cientra. And, you know, that was like, I can't remember now. It was a couple of years ago or so that we put that relationship in place. And that was a relationship that was just getting off the ground. But the idea there was Cientra was in about 23% of reconstruction cases, breast reconstruction cases, where a biologic is used almost every time, and they didn't have a biologic offering. And And we thought that would just sort of make sense, give them access to a really, you know, we think a market-leading biologic. And for us, we would have access to, it's about, you know, $125 million of potential usage there. And so that was the rationale behind creating that, you know, creating that partnership. And it's a non-exclusive partnership in that we maintained our own distribution network and we allowed them to distribute the product. But it's also a non-exclusive partnership where we also go to pretty significant lengths to not step on each other's toes. So we're not competing against ourselves in the same accounts. And so it makes it... you know, the construct of that agreement doesn't allow us to sort of quickly expand into territories that aren't being adequately covered by one of us or the other. Instead, we try to do it, we try to, under this agreement, do it a little bit, in a little bit more planned and methodical way where we meet on a periodic basis and we say, okay, you know, we're not having success in these accounts. Maybe you guys want to go in there or, you know, vice versa. Right. And, and that agreement was really, really working out well. And then, and then, uh, you know, unfortunately, Sandra went into bankruptcy and, um, and they went into bankruptcy at a time that they were, they were becoming a pretty meaningful part, uh, of, of, uh, of our sales. Now, fortunately, the assets of Cientra were acquired through those bankruptcy procedures. And out of it, that agreement has now been taken over by Tiger Aesthetics. And, you know, I would say just very candidly, we've had some – some growing pains. First of all, they had a very difficult job to do, taking over the assets of Cientra and holding that together and then figuring out how they wanted to run that business and what model they wanted to use. When a company experiences a bankruptcy, you can imagine there's obviously some changes that are going to need to take place. And there's some very obvious disruption that's also going to take place. And then for us, learning how to work together, going through different personnel changes that they're trying to make and our people getting to know them and working with them has taken some time. And so naturally, we saw some of that disruption flow through into the end user market in terms of volumes for us. Now with that said, we were still able to have that product grow 12% over the year. I know the fourth quarter wasn't great, but we're hoping the fourth quarter was actually a little bit more of an anomaly there than anything we would expect to see repeat. But certainly the products backed away from the growth trajectory that it used to be on. We are working our way through that agreement. We have some milestones coming up in this agreement. We have some decisions to make there. But we're also trying to be as constructive as we can with the team we have right now from our side and with Tiger. And like I said, I think we actually are making some pretty nice some pretty nice and significant progress there. So, it all remains to be seen, you know, exactly what we're going to do. Obviously, it can't stay the way, you know, it was for the second half of the year. You know, some things have to change, but we are also seeing some changes already take place there. So,

Sounds great. Congrats again on the really strong start for Alitrail. Excited for 2025. Thank you.

And our next question comes from Frank Takanan with Lake Street Capital Markets. Please state your question.

Great. Hey, Randy. Hey, Matt. Thanks for taking the questions. I was hoping to start with one around distribution partners. Obviously, you have the agreement with Boston that we've talked about on this call. Is that agreement structured as such that you could establish agreements with some of the other pacemaker players and expand your distribution capability that route?

It is.

It is, Frank. Okay. And is that something you've considered pursuing or at this point is it Boston first and then see how the demand comes from that and maybe think about that at a later date and time?

Right now, we have a tremendous amount of demand from our own team. And now we're adding on Boston. And so from a business development standpoint, we're in a number of different discussions. But for right now, that certainly fills our dance card with regards to demand that we think we can appropriately increase. There's also different strategic reasons on why we might do one versus the other. But we have the flexibility to do it, but it's a more complicated series of questions than just that. But from a distribution standpoint, from a caring about growing the product and really establishing it, We think we're in really, really good shape with us partnering with Boston Scientific right now to do that.

Okay, that's helpful. And then from an active ordering account perspective, we've got a couple goalposts. Obviously, you've got 100 active now, 400 kangaroo, 500, over 500 implants, and then the broader market of 1,400 over 100 implants per year. Maybe talk through the cadence of expectations around how new account additions will occur throughout 2025? Yeah.

You know, so we were clicking along, or we are clicking along at about 15 a month right now. I do think it's unrealistic to think it will probably keep that pace up. for the whole year, but there's sort of two things that are going on. One is there's just sort of the law of averages. So if you go submit 200 VAC applications and there's a six-month cycle time for a VAC, 100 of those are going to be less than six months. They're going to be they're going to be faster than the average. But 100 of those are going to be longer than six months. And so we will just be running into VACs that take longer. We said sort of all along we thought this would be the gating item, and they're not all going to go as fast as certainly we would like them to move and as fast the physicians would like to move. So that will be something that we'll be sort of tugging on how fast we can get them signed up. The thing that's going to, you know, be pulling in the other direction is, you know, having a partner like Boston Scientific pulling us into those accounts where their, you know, their reps are actively engaged in helping and doing that will obviously be will obviously, you know, that's a lot of help, you know, to be able to bring to the problem. And so we think, you know, we think that'll be helping on the plus side. But in general, it will probably back down a little bit off the pace, you know, we started on, but maybe that's just being conservative. We'll see how it goes.

Okay, that's helpful. And then just last one from me, one for Matt. I was hoping you could talk a little bit about the cash burn in the quarter. Could you parse out kind of operational cash burn from the business versus litigation pay down? And then maybe update around litigation expectations for 2025 would be helpful as well. Thanks.

Yeah, sure. Well, I'll tell you, you know, I'll share with you what I can. A lot of that is, one, hard to forecast and also something that, you know, we don't want to get into too much detail for, you know, all these cases are ongoing. Some of them more active than others. But, you know, what you'll see, even just looking at our balance sheet, you'll see that at the end of the third quarter, we had a liability related to the Um, the fiber cell litigation. And again, for those people who aren't familiar with it, this is part of our company that we sold off in 2023. Um, but we, you know, we retained some of that legacy litigation associated with it. Um, so we had a liability of a little over $20 million, um, at that stage. And at the end of the year, it was down, uh, at about 15.9 million was the number. And so it's a pretty healthy reduction in the overall liability in terms of the number of cases. We had 79 outstanding at the end of Q3. Some of those were settled but not yet paid for. At the end of the year, we were actually down to 43 that have not yet been settled. So we're really, I think, we're making really significant progress putting all of this behind us. There is still more work to be done, but a lot of what we did in the fourth quarter was resolve cases that had trial dates that would otherwise have been coming up at some point during 2025, which I think is probably a good thing for everyone, both us and the people on the other side of those cases, that we didn't have those actual trials take place very costly and just not productive to go through that. And there are a few of those still remaining in the year that we'll try to go through a similar process with, and I expect we'll be successful with that, and then others that are, you know, further out that don't have anything scheduled. So I guess the last quarter was particularly active. You know, there will still be some activity in 2025, certainly, but, you know, but it should be declining, I think, from where it was in Q4. Okay.

That's helpful. Thanks, and congrats on all the progress.

Thanks, Frank. Okay. Thank you, Frank.

Thank you. And, ladies and gentlemen, that was our last question for today. So, with that, we will conclude today's conference call. All parties may now disconnect, and have a great evening. Thank you.