7/23/2024

speaker
Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Corresponding presentation slides can be found on the Investor Relations page at oldnational.com and will be archived there for 12 months. Management would like to remind everyone that certain statements on today's call may be forward-looking in nature and are subject to certain risks, uncertainties, and other factors that could cause actual results or outcomes to differ from those disclosed. The company refers you to its forward-looking statement legend in the earnings release and presentation slides. The company's risk factors are fully disclosed and discussed within its SEC filings. In addition, certain slides contain non-GAAP measures, which management believes provides more appropriate comparisons. These non-GAAP measures are intended to assist investors' understanding of performance trends. Reconciliations for these numbers are contained with the appendix of the presentation. I'd now like to turn the call over to Old National's Chairman and CEO, Jim Ryan, for opening remarks. Mr. Ryan?

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Good morning. Earlier today, Old National reported our second quarter 2024 results. Our earnings per share exceeded expectations due to better than expected revenue growth and lower expenses, which led to positive operating leverage. These strong second quarter results were driven by our investments in new markets and talent in our footprint, supported by our peer-leading low-cost deposit franchise, solid credit performance, and ample capital. We remain focused on the acceleration of our wealth management, treasury management, and capital markets businesses. Before moving to our second quarter highlights, I also want to provide you an update on our previously announced partnership with the Nashville-based Capstar Bank. which closed on April 1st and expanded our franchise to several strong and vibrant southeastern markets. I'm pleased to share that last week we successfully completed all banking center and systems conversion for this partnership. As of July 15th, all former Capstar branches have been converted to old national banking centers and all legacy Capstar team members are now operating in the old national network. The success of our partnership would not have been possible without our team members' hard work passion, professionalism, and collaboration. And I want to take this opportunity to acknowledge and thank everyone involved in the integration for a job extremely well done. Now, moving to our second quarter highlights on slide five, we reported gap earnings of 37 cents per common share and our adjusted EPS was 46 cents. These adjusted earnings per share results exceeded consensus estimates by two cents or 5%. Our adjusted return on average changeable common equity for the quarter was 17.2%, and our adjusted ROA was 1.12%. Our adjusted efficiency ratio was a low 52.6%. Excluding deposits and loans assumed in the Capstar transaction, our total deposit growth was 2.4% annualized during the quarter, and our loan growth was 5.9% annualized. Including Capstar deposits were up a total of $2.3 billion, and loans were up $2.6 billion in the quarter. Our total cost of deposit for the quarter remains at a low 216 basis points. At the same time, we remain focused on growing our tangible common book value per share, which grew 10% from a year ago. In summary, our second quarter 2024 earnings evidenced another strong on-plan quarter for Old National. We exceeded analysts' expectations due to our strong deposit franchise, disciplined loan growth, solid credit quality, and ample capital. With that, I'll now turn the call over to John.

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John
CFO

Thanks, Jim. Turning to slide six, you can see our second quarter balance sheet, which highlights continued stability in our liquidity and our capital position. Our balance sheet also reflects the close of the Capstar transaction on April 1st. Total deposit growth over the last year has again allowed us to organically fund loan growth while holding borrowings flat. Additionally, we were able to grow our tangible book value per share 10% over the last year. Given its relative size and our strong retained earnings in the quarter, the addition of Capstar was essentially capital neutral with our CET1 ratio unchanged despite closing the deal. We continue to expect that we will accrete capital at a faster pace than most, through the combination of a better than peer return profile and a 30% dividend payout ratio. Our loan to deposit ratio ticked up modestly due to planned deposit runoff of approximately $400 million at Capstar. Our liquidity and capital levels continue to provide a strong foundation, which positions us well as we enter the back half of 2024. On slide seven, we show the trend in total loan growth and portfolio yields. Total loans grew $2.6 billion with $2.1 billion attributable to Capstar. Excluding Capstar, total loans grew 5.9% annualized from last quarter, in line with our expectations. We remain focused on full relationships and structure at prices that meet our risk-adjusted return requirements. New loan production rates in the high 7% range and marginal funding costs in the mid-4% range support our expectation that net interest income will grow modestly for the remainder of 2024. The investment portfolio increased 3% in the quarter due to the Capstar transaction. Shortly after closing, we repositioned Capstar Investments, which improved our total portfolio yields. Overall, fair values and duration were effectively unchanged. As we've mentioned in past calls, new money yields continue to run 200 basis points above back book yields, and we have approximately $1.3 billion in cash flows expected over the next 12 months. Moving to slide eight, we show our trend in total deposits, which grew $2.3 billion with $2.1 billion attributable to Capstar. As mentioned earlier, we intentionally ran approximately $400 million of higher cost deposits out of Capstar at closing. Excluding Capstar, total deposits grew 2.4% annualized with normal seasonal outflows in commercial and retail deposits offset by public fund and broker deposit increases. Our broker deposits as a percentage of total deposits are 4.6% and remain well below peer levels. We did see a 15 basis point increase in deposit rates compared to the prior quarter with Capstar driving approximately five basis points at that upward pressure. That said, deposit costs leveled out at 216 basis points and were steady over the course of the quarter, which was consistent with our spot rate at June 30th. Overall, we remain pleased with the execution of our deposit strategy, and we believe we are stabilizing with respect to both total cost and the non-interest bearing mix. Slide nine provides our quarter and income statement. We reported GAAP net income applicable to common shares of $117 million or 37 cents per share. Reported earnings include the following pre-tax items, $19 million in merger related charges and $15 million of CECL day one non-PCD provision expense. Excluding these items, our adjusted earnings per share was 46 cents. Moving on to slide 10, We present details of our net interest income and margin. Spread revenue and margin were both slightly better than forecast, primarily due to higher asset yields and accretion. Our low total deposit cost of 216 basis points remains a key competitive advantage. Year over year, we again showed deposit growth that essentially kept pace with asset generation while maintaining a low total cost of funding. On slide 11, we show trends in adjusted non-interest income, which was $87 million for the quarter, with Capstar contributing $7 million. Our primary fee businesses performed well with bank fees in line with our expectations, mortgage benefiting from seasonality and modest improvements in production and pipelines, and capital markets returning to more normalized levels. Continuing to slide 12, we show the trend in adjusted non-interest expenses of $264 million for the quarter, with Tapstar contributing $18 million. Expenses were in line with our guidance and remained very well controlled. On slide 13, we present our credit trends, which remain stable, reflecting the quality of both our commercial and consumer portfolios. The delinquency ratio remained stable, and the non-performing loan ratio decreased four basis points. Total net charge-offs were 16 basis points and a low 11 basis points, excluding five basis points related to PCD loans. Our second quarter allowance for credit losses to total loans, including reserve for unfunded commitments, was 108 basis points, up five basis points from the prior quarter. There were no material changes to our model assumptions, and the weighting on the Moody's S3 scenario remains 100%. It is also worth mentioning that our allowance for credit losses plus the discount remaining on acquired loans to total loans now stands at 161 basis points. Slide 14 presents key credit metrics relative to peers. As you can see, a proactive approach to credit monitoring has led to above peer levels of NPLs, but delinquency and charge-off ratios that are well below peer averages over long periods of time. We have long practiced conservatism here, and we believe the results speak for themselves. With CRE remaining in focus, we have enhanced disclosure in this quarter's presentation. I'll turn it over to Mark on slide 15.

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Mark
Senior Executive (Credit/Portfolio)

Thanks, John. Given the heightened focus on credit and CRE in particular, this quarter we decided to dive deeper into our loan portfolio and specifically expand on certain segments that we have been watching more closely for some time. Slide 15 breaks down our $36 billion portfolio. which is well diversified across our desired and actual mix of approximately 40% CNI, which includes owner-occupied CRE, given it is underwritten as CNI, 30% investor CRE, and 30% highly rated consumer. Investor CRE of $11.7 billion is well diversified across subsegments, the most noteworthy of which I will talk about in a minute. Importantly, owner-occupied CRE represents $4.3 billion of our portfolio, with a modest risk profile in line with the rest of our CNI book. Lastly on this page, our diversity is reflected geographically across our footprint as well, with modest out-of-market exposures driven almost entirely by in-market relationships. We have presented looks similar to slide 16 many times, so to briefly reiterate, We believe our pending maturity schedule is extremely manageable. We have always stressed our CRE loans in underwriting at 300 basis points over current rates, such that the vast majority of our pending maturities have interest rates still within that range. We have only about 400 million maturing over the next 18 months, which are at rates outside of this underwriting cushion, and most of those have since seen rent growth well beyond our originally underwritten levels. CRA office has been of concern industry-wide for some time, so we thought more color was warranted, as seen on slide 17. Though sometimes a segment gets painted with the same brush, not all office loans are alike. With an average loan size of $2.9 million, our portfolio looks a great deal like the picture on the left, which is generally lower risk than the one on the right. Our office exposure is well diversified by loan size and geography. The lowest-risk segments in this space, investment-grade tenants and or medical office buildings, comprise over 40% of our office exposure, and the highest-risk segment, central business districts, less than 14%. The credit metrics overall of our office portfolio are strong, with an average debt service coverage of nearly 1.5 times and a weighted average loan-to-value of 64%. As in all of our portfolios, we are well-disciplined around maximum individual credit exposures. In this case, the largest is $50 million, and the top 10 dropped dramatically from there. On slide 18, we cover multifamily, our largest segment in investor CRE at $5.5 billion. Our multifamily lending trends much more towards middle-income tenants than Class A high-rises in major metro markets. This book is also well diversified and granular with an average loan size of just over 5 million. Overall, this asset class remains stable in our markets, although prolonged higher interest rates have impacted some more recent projects. Here again, we have strong credit metrics in terms of debt service coverage ratios and loan values, and the portfolio is well diversified by dollar exposure and location. Our largest exposures are well within our moderate risk tolerance, represent long tenured relationships, and tend to have stronger credit metrics. I'll turn the call back to John.

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John
CFO

Thanks, Mark. On slide 19, we review our capital position at the end of the quarter. As expected, ratios were essentially unchanged from the first quarter with the impact from the close of the Capstar transaction absorbed by strong retained earnings. Slide 20 includes updated details on our rate risk position and net interest income guidance. NII is expected to increase modestly in the third and fourth quarters. Our assumptions are listed on the slide, but I would highlight a few of the primary drivers. First, we assumed two rate cuts of 25 basis points each, consistent with the forward curve. Second, we are now anticipating a declining rate deposit beta of approximately 30% in a non-interest-bearing deposit mix that falls 22% by year-end. We continue to believe that we have positioned the balance sheet well as we reach the end of this rate cycle, and we have achieved a neutral rate risk position. In addition to the two-cut scenario, we did run a three-cut scenario and a static curve through our models. The results of each were not materially different from our base case scenario, again suggesting we have effectively managed the balance sheet to neutral. Slide 21 includes thoughts on our outlook for the remaining items in the third quarter and the full year of 2024. As you can see, our guidance is essentially unchanged with a modest increase in NII reflecting this quarter's results and a slightly wider provision range. That range reflects loan growth and annual charge-offs that are unchanged, although second half charge-offs are expected to run modestly higher than the 15 basis points we have experienced in the first half. We remain comfortable with the full year outlook of 15 to 20 basis points. In summary, we had an excellent first half of 2024 with second quarter results better than our expectations and strong performance metrics. More importantly, we continue to demonstrate our ability to execute against our strategic priorities. First, we continue to organically fund our loan growth. Second, our adjusted return profile remains top quartile against peers at 17% on tangible common equity. Third, we remain disciplined on operating expenses with an adjusted efficiency ratio below 53%. Fourth, we have clean credit with non-PCD net charge-offs of just 11 basis points along with a well-diversified and granular loan book. And fifth, we are continuing to rapidly compound tangible book value per share, which was up 10% year-over-year. With those comments, I'd like to open the call for your questions.

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Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Thank you. If you would like to ask a question, please press star 1 on your telephone keypad. If you would like to withdraw your question, simply press star 1 again. Your first question comes from the line of Scott Stiefers with Piper Sandler. Your line is open. Scott Stiefers Good morning, everyone. Scott Stiefers Good morning, Scott.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

Scott Stiefers Thanks for taking the question.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

Scott Stiefers Good to hear from you. Scott Stiefers I guess, yeah, likewise. Thank you. I wanted to ask on just sort of the beta assumption. Maybe, John, when you think of the 30% down beta, maybe just sort of the inside baseball on sort of why you're thinking that's the right number. And maybe some thoughts on how that would trend after 4Q24. You know, presumably there's some catch-up later on as time marches on. But just curious how that would sort of flex into 2025 as well.

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John
CFO

Yeah, thanks, Scott. So, you know, I think most of where we're going to get the down beta from is really out of the exception price book. That book today is $12.3 billion, 31% or so of total deposits, 38% of our total transaction deposits. And that's, you know, at the quarter, sort of 430 was the cost on that book. And we think we'll be able to drop that pretty quick. I mean, I think that'll be close to, you know, 85% kind of beta on the way down. So that's where most of it will be. And then, you know, depending on the path, the short-term rates into 2025, I think that'll sort of influence what we're able to do with the exception price book. 2025, I think, is more about fixed asset repricing, though, and shaping the curve.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

Okay. Perfect. Thank you. And then maybe switching gears for a second to the loan growth, maybe just a broad thought or two on where that growth is coming from. I ask sort of in the context of it, you know, it's been a very weak backdrop for the rest of the industry that you all seem to be outperforming. You know, maybe sort of where is it coming from? And then maybe over the next several months, do you see trends getting better or worse? And why would that be the case?

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Mark
Senior Executive (Credit/Portfolio)

Hey, Scott. It's Mark. The loan growth this quarter was brought across the footprint. It was about evenly split between CRE and CNI. CRE, we had some construction draws that helped boost it a bit. And in CNI, some of the hires we've made over the last few years in our expansion markets give us some outsized growth. And this quarter, we had a really nice quarter from our business banking team. That's our core business that's full relationships. And so it's nice to see them grow nearly $100 million this quarter. Widely diversified.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

Okay. Perfect. All right. Thank you for taking the questions. Thanks, Scott.

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Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Brendan Nossel with Hovde Group. Your line is open.

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Brendan Nossel
Hovde Group

Hey, good morning, guys. Hope you're doing well.

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Thanks, Brendan. Good to hear from you.

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Brendan Nossel
Hovde Group

Let me just start off on kind of the outlook overall at a top level. I mean, you broadly reiterated the guide for the rest of this year, but it feels like a fair bit's changed environmentally since April, especially with respect to the rate outlook and environment. I mean, I guess I'm just wondering if you had a bias or feeling better or worse about the outlook you've offered now for the past two quarters. Where would you focus all to that?

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John
CFO

Yeah, look, I think the balance sheet is neutral. So NII, I mean, we've been saying for a couple quarters now it doesn't really matter what happens with short rates. You know, I think if there were perhaps some room for upside, I'd point to the felines where we continue to invest in wealth management. Those investments are starting to bear some fruit. Mortgage is bouncing along the bottom, but, you know, was seasonally better in 2Q than maybe what we would have expected. That'd be where I think we might have a little bit of upside to the guide out there.

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Brendan Nossel
Hovde Group

Perfect. Thanks. Maybe one more from me before I step back. Can you help us unpack the NII guide for the rest of the year in terms of how you see the margin trending in the back end, especially in light of the core margin firming up this quarter?

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John
CFO

Yeah, I think it's a couple basis points one way or another in third quarter. And then fourth quarter, we'd expect to see things start to improve.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

All right. Fantastic. Thanks for taking the questions. Thank you.

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Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Jared Shaw with Barclays. Your line is open.

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Jared Shaw
Barclays

Hey, good morning.

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Good morning, Jared.

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Jared Shaw
Barclays

Maybe just sticking with the NII and margin, can you share with us what accretion was this quarter and what the expectation is for accretion as we go into third and fourth quarter?

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John
CFO

I would say the difference in accretion versus the last quarter was about $5.5 million that came in from Capstar. Rough, tough, a three basis point helper. And I'd expect that to be pretty flat for the balance this year.

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Jared Shaw
Barclays

Okay, so stable at this, let's call it 11.6 in second quarter. Yep. Okay. And then any color on... credit migration within Criticized, Classified, and how you're looking at those trends.

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Mark
Senior Executive (Credit/Portfolio)

Yeah, Jared, it's Mark again. In this quarter, we saw about $75 million come into Criticized and Classified from Capstar, which is what we expected. And then multifamily drove the bulk of the rest of the migration this quarter. Not unexpected. You had some properties with a little slower lease up, and so the excess cash flows tightened a bit. But We still feel really good about those properties. They're really solid properties, strong sponsor support, and very low loss content, we believe.

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Jared Shaw
Barclays

Okay. And then looking at the debt service coverage ratio on office, it looks like that improved or increased this quarter. Any color on what was driving that, and is that sort of a stable level, you think, for the category? Okay.

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Mark
Senior Executive (Credit/Portfolio)

I think that remains to be seen, but we haven't seen the deterioration in those ratios to any effect at this point. So the best eyesight we have is what's happening right now, and it seems to be stabilizing.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

Great. Thank you.

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Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Terry McEvoy with Stevens. Your line is open.

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Terry McEvoy
Stevens

Hi. Good morning, everyone.

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Good morning, Terry. Good to hear from you.

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Terry McEvoy
Stevens

Same here. Thanks for slide 17 and 18. I always like pictures. Maybe a question for John. I guess simple. How do you fund 5% to 7% annualized loan growth? What's your assumptions on deposit growth, use of wholesale funding for Q3 in the back half of the year?

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John
CFO

Certainly, Terry, the mission around here has been for for a really long time, but we probably got even more focused on it last year. You know, we are all deposit gatherers. And so certainly the intention would be to fund our asset generation with core deposits. And we've been able to do that so far. So if you look year over year, our asset generation has basically kept pace with our deposit generation. That would be the plan going forward to the extent that we have a quarter that deposits are a little bit lighter than the asset generation. We have plenty of capacity on brokered and a lot of capacity on wholesale as well if we chose to.

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

I would just remind you, we've said this publicly before, but we're going to remain on the offense. To the extent that there are banks that will continue to be aggressive as rates fall, we will remain on the offense. We just believe this is a good long-term play for us. I look forward to that opportunity if it presents itself.

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Terry McEvoy
Stevens

Thanks for that. And from prior conversations, you've been real conscious of the TCE ratio, which is called 7%. I guess my question is, where would that ratio need to be today before you'd think about sharing repurchase?

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Terry, this is Jim. You know, certainly it's a tool. It's a tool we're very conscious of. Clearly, the TCE ratio is in a better spot post our partnership in Chicago. Obviously, the stock price, we're sensitive to the earn-back. If you look at today's stock price, which we're very pleased to have that earn-back extend out, it's a little less attractive to it than it once was. But I think we'll just continue to evaluate each day to see if the tool makes sense to use. At this point in time, though, I don't think we need to rush into anything and just let the back half of the year play out.

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Terry McEvoy
Stevens

And maybe just stepping out of the earnings model, could you talk about kind of synergies in the national market between wealth and banking and vice versa, and maybe retention in that market now that the deal's been closed for three or four months?

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Let me just give you a high level view and I'll let, you know, Mark or Jim jump in as well. I got to tell you, you know, I was just down there not too long ago and met with a bunch of different clients. We're bringing our board meeting down there in August. And so we're going to have a client event down there with a, 150-plus clients and have a chance to interact and really talk about the future of Nashville, the future of the Southeast for us as we just kind of evaluate the opportunities. And I continue to be blown away by the opportunities that present themselves to us. There are obviously no shortage of good banks that are down there, but that doesn't mean we can go out and compete effectively. We've got a great team down there. There's just so much organic growth, which is going to present opportunities for us and And while we've always been bullish on that opportunity, every single time we're down there, we get reinforced that there are opportunities that are endless with us in terms of our team members that are down there and completely engaged, as well as the new business opportunities.

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Mark
Senior Executive (Credit/Portfolio)

Retention has been really high, Terry. And it's early, but I just would say this team is really excited to join Old National. I think they look at the cultural fit and the capabilities that we bring to the table, and they're excited about it. And to the first part of your question, we haven't even begun to tap the wealth opportunities that are there. This wasn't something that Capstar did much of, candidly, and I think we've got a really strong capability. We've got a strong team that was already there, if you may recall. So both sides of that equation are very excited.

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Terry McEvoy
Stevens

Thanks, everyone. Have a great day.

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Chris McGrady
KBW

Thank you, Terry.

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Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Chris McGrady with KBW. Your line is open.

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Chris McGrady
KBW

Good morning. Good morning, Chris. Jim, any thoughts of tweaking any exposures in the back half of the year, either post-deal? I mean, you don't have a CRE problem, but there's decent liquidity for certain assets. Anything that's on the books that might not be core going into 2025?

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Well, I think all banks retain a certain amount of balance sheet that's got flexibility around. There's no specific plans for us anywhere. I think we need to continually look to optimize the balance sheet. We'll need to continue to look at how we're able to bring core funding in to support new growth. One thing's for sure, we're going to continue to acquire new relationships. When those relationships are full relationships, we have a huge appetite to continue to grow. And you can clearly see we've demonstrated that. One of the challenges, you've followed us for a long time, one of the challenges we had in the past was our ability to grow. That is clearly not a challenge today. We've got great markets, great people, great growth opportunities ahead of us. So to the extent that there are non-core assets that are on the balance sheet or have limited relationships, I think that there is an opportunity for us to continue to optimize the balance sheet. But nothing big or wholesale in nature that would dramatically change what you'd expect to see us looking like in the back half of the year. But it's something we've got to continually challenge ourselves to look at.

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Chris McGrady
KBW

Okay, perfect. Maybe dovetailing on the buyback question, any change in how you're thinking about strategic M&A into 25? I know organic is the focus, but any change there would be great.

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Yeah, I really don't see why. I think there will be plenty of opportunities that present themselves to us in the coming years. Our appetite, I think I would express, is very limited right now. I think just given the organic growth opportunities, the execution that we have in our core markets and the markets we've added through talent and obviously now in Tennessee and North Carolina, I think we owe it to ourselves and owe it to our shareholders to continue focusing on that. And as we've talked about previously before, You know, the idea of compounding, you know, tangible book value in a double-digit clip, you know, for the next few years sounds really appealing and really attractive. I think ultimately may drive the highest reward for our shareholders.

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Scott Stiefers
Piper Sandler Analyst

Got it. Thanks.

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Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

Once again, ladies and gentlemen, if you have a question, it is star one. Your next question comes from the line of John Arfstrom with RBC. Your line is open.

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John Arfstrom
RBC

Hey, thanks. Good morning.

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Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Good morning, John. How are you?

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John Arfstrom
RBC

Hey, good, good. Maybe start with you, John. You talked about the high 7% on new origination yields and mid for funding costs. Would you say the new production is margin accretive at this point, or is it margin neutral?

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John
CFO

Margin accretive.

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John Arfstrom
RBC

Okay. On the deposit costs, slide eight, I see that flat deposit cost, the 216 at the end of the quarter. What do you think that looks like in a quarter or two? What's the message you're trying to send there? Is the pressure stopped?

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John
CFO

I think the pressure has largely moderated. I do think it is still competitive out there. And again, as long as we can continue to do margin of creative business, we're going to stay on our front foot, right? So if you were to go out to Old National's website today, you'd see us running specials that are very competitive. I mean, we are open for business, and we're going to fund this bank. I think that it's moderating. The worst of it is clearly behind us. Could we see a little drift up in third quarter? Yeah, that's possible.

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John Arfstrom
RBC

Okay. Tying into that, the non-interest-bearing guide to 22% by the end of the year. Do you feel like that's it, or do you think that continues to leak lower naturally, or do you feel like we're getting to the bottom on that percentage?

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John
CFO

I think we're getting there. I think we're toward the bottom, and part of the secret sauce around here, as you know, is just the granularity of the book, right? I mean, something like 80% of the relationships here are less than $25,000. The average on that book is like $4,500 a box, right? At some level, there's still probably a little bit of cash sorting that needs to happen, but I think we're through most of it.

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John Arfstrom
RBC

Okay. Okay. And then just to wrap up, you feel like a cut or two – isn't necessarily beneficial to your outlook, but maybe just the new production is beneficial to the margin outlook. Is that a fair way to look at it, or am I misreading that?

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John
CFO

Yeah, no, that's a fair way to look at it, John. Okay.

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John Arfstrom
RBC

All right. Thank you very much. Thanks, John.

speaker
Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

There are no further questions at this time. I'd like to turn the call back to Jim Ryan for closing remarks.

speaker
Jim Ryan
Chairman and CEO

Well, thank you for your support today. As always, the team will be here to answer any follow-up questions you have. Hope you all have a great day.

speaker
Conference Call Operator
Call Operator

This concludes Old National's call. Once again, a replay along with the presentation slides will be available for 12 months on the Investor Relations page of Old National's website, oldnational.com. A replay of the call will also be available by dialing 800-770-2030. access code 297-3663. This replay will be available through August 6. If anyone has additional questions, please contact Lynelle Derkels at 812-464-1366. Thank you for your participation in today's conference call. You may now disconnect.

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